9/11 and Skepticism- Kevin Ryan 11-24-07 americanbuddhist.net

9/11 and Skepticism
Sat, 2007-11-24 11:37 — Kevin Ryan

Recently I had a chance to debate the issue of 9/11 Truth on Air America radio’s Thom Hartmann show, with an avowed supporter of the official story, Skeptic magazine’s Michael Shermer. It was an interesting experience and some good information was communicated, although the format did not allow for a detailed discussion. This debate did not fully settle the question of which outrageous conspiracy theory was the most plausible, but it did provide another helpful example of how Americans are continually being asked to accept the opposite of what they know to be true.

The debate was widely anticipated in some circles, partly because it took months for Hartmann’s producer to find a legitimate defender of the official version of 9/11. Apparently those who knew something of the official story would not publicly support it, and those who would publicly support that official story didn’t know anything about it. That fact in itself is a testament to the progress made by the 9/11 Truth Movement over the last few years.

But in September, after receiving an unsolicited email from Shermer, I invited him to join me for the Hartmann debate. From Skeptic magazine’s “9/11 Conspiracies” issue last year, it was clear that Shermer was also unaware of many facts about 9/11, and the official explanations for the events of that day. But he was well known for his stance on the issue, and I felt this was a chance to follow-up on Hartmann’s offer. With that in mind, I approached the debate carefully, with respect for my opponent, the audience and the host.

It didn’t take long to understand Shermer’s position on 9/11. He didn’t bother with facts about the events themselves, and appeared to be motivated only through a monster-under-the-bed perception of “conspiracy theories”. Even after admitting that the official version of events is itself a conspiracy theory, he maintained that conspiracy among oil company executives and politicians is somehow unbelievable, while conspiracy solely among people who just happen to live on the last remaining oil-rich land is to be expected.

Additionally, my opponent’s performance showed that he is not what most people would call a skeptic, at least not in matters that are important to people. I had suspected this myself, and had to check the definition of skepticism to be sure. What I found was that skepticism is about questioning claims that are generally accepted, or are given by supposedly authoritative sources. Skeptics are not people who simply take contradictory positions without regard for evidence, however, and after rational discussion skeptics usually agree with the case that best fits the evidence.

On several issues, Skeptic magazine has taken a decidedly non-skeptical approach. The events of 9/11 are one example, and global warming is another. It took Shermer years to come around on the issue of human-induced climate change, even after the IPCC had satisfied nearly all scientists with their assessment of the situation in 2001. He continued as a leading skeptic of global warming, telling us not to worry about it, until his well-publicized “flipping point” in 2006.

At the start of our debate, Shermer responded to my own skepticism about the history of al Qaeda by suggesting that our government gets in bed with bad people all the time. At that point, I wasn’t sure whose side of the debate he was on. But it soon became clear that he was only ready to talk about the demolition hypothesis, and then only in the sense that he wanted me to prove that hypothesis. Although I could have given more detailed evidence, it was gratifying to know that this last remaining, relatively legitimate defender of the official story had only a few points of unsubstantiated speculation to support his supposedly reasoned skepticism.

My opponent was clearly not skeptical of any of the claims made by the only authoritative source on the topic, the current US government. He had no response when I asked how each and every member of the US chain of command could have been indisposed for just those two hours on September 11th, or how al Qaeda could have been behind the effective stand-down of the nation’s air defenses during that time. He could not say why the 9/11 Commission left so many of the most important facts out of their report, or what it meant for US government scientists to finally admit that they could not explain the “collapse” of the Twin Towers. His final plea was that we just accept that al Qaeda did it because they said they did it, and we should take them at their word.

This strange approach to skepticism is a good example of the growing attempt by some government and corporate media representatives (Shermer also works for FOX TV) to convince us to believe the opposite of what we see and hear. We’re told that the best way to stop terrorism is to start endless wars in the Middle East, and the best way to protect our freedoms is to give up our freedoms. We’re also led to believe, paradoxically, that anyone who questions the government’s conspiracy theory is a “conspiracy theorist”.

It is only on this playing field that we can possibly accept Michael Shermer as an exemplary skeptic. His Skeptics Society is not skeptical of authoritative claims that affect the lives of average people, like 9/11 or electronic voting machines or corporate media consolidation. Instead, Shermer and his group are skeptical of random non-authoritative claims, like those about UFOs, or the belief in God. It seems possible that his skepticism has more to do with supporting business interests than it has to do with reason.

Regardless, when someone who is clearly non-skeptical is promoted as the ideal skeptic, we are being asked to take another step away from reality. That may smell like a pile of manure to some, but as a Buddhist teacher might say, it is exactly the kind of manure that we can work with. That is, when we have an opportunity to notice the root causes of our own weaknesses, the ones that ultimately cause us the most pain and suffering, we can use that opportunity to help find our way back to reality, and back to a greater truth. Therein lies the real value of 9/11 skepticism.

In the end Shermer and I did agree on one thing, and that is that the truth about 9/11 is likely to be simple. His version of simple, however, is that terrorism amounts to just so many astoundingly lucky acts of random vengeance, with the Gods of Science turning a few blind eyes here and there. On the other hand, to me the simple truth is more likely to be that terrorism is a co-opted tool, used by a powerful few to help secure their long term strategic interests. In any case, when such truth becomes not only simple but also painfully obvious, it is imperative that we all become true skeptics.

Kevin Ryan is co-editor of the Journal of 9/11 Studies. A transcript of the Air America/Thom Hartman 9/11 Truth Debate can be found at 911Research.com, and an MP3 is available at 911Truth.org.

Show "Lyin' Ryan" by Brainster

Without dignifying your statement, where is Mr. Roberts

these days? We haven't seen him ages, I thought perhaps he was now giving tours in Asuncion.

The truth shall set (most of) us free (others will have to find honest jobs).

Love is the only way forward.


Asuncion or Langely, Va.?


I would guess the reasons Kevin Ryan refuses to debate Mark Roberts may be similar to the reasons given by Richard Gage as to why he won't debate on Hardfire. Remember, you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

The relevant question is asked by me at about the 4:22 mark:

Show "If the goal is to attract flies..." by Brainster

Well said, Mr. Ryan!

And well done, too!

There does seem to be a dearth of folks who are able and willing to defend the absurd story that the government asks us to swallow, and the media continues to serve.

Thanks for all your continued hard work, you are a true American patriot, sir.

I look forward to meeting you the next time you come out to the SF bay area.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

Good job Kevin Ryan

-It's nice to see a civil debate with two thinking adults.. acting with civility. I give Shermer credit
for making his points with a level of respect.