At Least One Government Aided and Abetted 9/11

The government's version of 9/11 is that Osama Bin Laden and his 19 pals carried off the September 11 attacks all by themselves.

However, the Co-Chair of the Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 and former Head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Bob Graham, said that at least one foreign government aided in the 9/11 attack.

The Congressional Joint Inquiry report stated:

"Through its investigation, the Joint Inquiry developed information suggesting specific sources of foreign support for some of the September 11 hijackers ...."

28 pages of the Congressional Joint Inquiry's report were blacked out and classified (the redacted portions supposedly include funding by Saudi Arabia of the hijackers)

According to intelligence officials in India, Pakistan's military chief of intelligence wired $100,000 to the lead hijacker days before 9/11 (mentioned here in the Wall Street Journal's editorial roundup). This is especially interesting because:

  • That particular chief of intelligence was appointed to that position with the approval of the U.S.; and
  • The intelligence chief had held "consultations" with his U.S. counterparts at the CIA and the Pentagon during the week prior to September 11.

According to a Pakistani weekly newspaper, Pakistan bribed the 9/11 Commission to remove damaging information linking Pakistan to 9/11.

The former president of Italy said that U.S. and Israeli intelligence services were behind the 9/11 attack.

Israel tracked the hijackers' every movement prior to the attacks, and apparently sent agents to film the attack on the World Trade Centers. Likewise, Saudi intelligence was "actively following" most of the September 11, 2001, plotters "with precision" prior to the attacks.

And, according to the president of Pakistan, one of the one of the main perpetrators of 9/11 worked for British intelligence.

There is also substantial evidence that the U.S. government aided and abetted in the attacks. Personally, I believe that rogue elements within the U.S. government orchestrated the attacks, but subcontracted portions of the attacks out to foreign personnel.

In any event, there is overwhelming evidence that at least one government aided and abetted the 9/11 attacks. That -- by itself -- destroys the "official version" of 9/11.

Able Danger.... Able Angel

Stooges set up to run terror drills.... they did these drills yearly.... they just happened to go live on 911 and these stooges were none the wiser untill it was all said and done....

they did their job and the theater continues..... did their planes hit the towers?... possible

switch-a-roo

did their planes land elsewhere under the curtain of confusion?.... possible

are these people around to tell their story?.... not likely
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If I remember correctly, Jon has gathered a ton of info on involvement of Pakistani and Saudi intelligence services.

Yes

And let us not forget possible Israelite connections since there is evidence linking them to 911.

We should not be ignorant of the existance of international criminal elements from many nations being involved in 911 and the 911 Wars.

Complicity runs deep in the internation scene.

Fake Al Qaeda : http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fakealqaeda.html

"Israel does not spy on the United States of America."
-- Mark Regev, a spokesman at the Israeli embassy in Washington

The Israeli Spy Ring : http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spyring.html

Israeli Spying: The Mother of all Scandals : http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/motherofallscandals.html

BY WAY OF DECEPTION
Israel pulls a fast one – and gets caught : Justin Raimondo
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j120902.html

Ibrahim, the Shin Bet wants you to join Qaida
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=241042

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The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it

The ISI is solid rock

their field, even more the Saudis, as the would do everything they could to cover up any involvement of the prince family. But let's not forget Yemen, where Osama was born, they provided protection for the ongoing Al Queda operations, too

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April 2000: Yemen’s Interior Minister Gives Cole Bombers Safe Passage
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Hussein ArabHussein Arab [Source: al-bab]Yemen’s interior minister, Hussein Arab, issues a letter to al-Qaeda commander Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri instructing Yemeni authorities to give safe passage to al-Nashiri and three bodyguards without being searched or intercepted. The letter states that, “All security forces are instructed to cooperate with him and facilitate his mission.” Al-Nashiri’s mission turns out to be the attack on the USS Cole in which seventeen US sailors are killed (see October 12, 2000). Arab will be removed from his position in April 2001, but the letter will not come to light until the Cole trial in Yemen in 2004, when it is read out in court by the defense. Jamal Amer, editor of the weekly Al-Wasat, will comment that the letter “proves that there is a link between the security authorities and these groups.” [Associated Press, 8/25/2004] In May 2001, UPI will report, “According to several US government sources, one of the reasons the attack on the Cole succeeded was involvement by the ‘highest levels’ of the Yemen government of President Ali Abdallah Saleh, although Saleh himself personally was not, one said.” [United Press International, 5/20/2001]

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a0400safepassageforb...

Right GW: it was a global team effort ...

9/11 was composed and orchestrated by perhaps no more than 500 individuals of different countries political thugs, not one country alone and not one agency alone, but more of a movement of evil.

Much like building a custom home you need: an order and financing, an architect, contractor, plumbers, electrical mechanics, framers, dry wallers, plasters, painters, landscapers, etc. Its' not ONE thing, however, an amassing of different components to produce a desired result.

Why 9/11 happened is the bigger issues (for me) now, and perhaps the most obvious is nation building of two countries in particular the US and Israel. The bleak look ahead is for NWO and OWG to be governed by a future revamped UN of elite corporatists, who eventually will depopulate a good portion of the earth thru unchecked famine, disease, and disasters. This is most likely their plan, but there is hope ... we can change that because there are more of us than them.

I just voted this up with a 10

There are obviously paid shills visiting 911 Blogger and purposely voting down some of the best entires.

Some of us who visit may skip voting in our haste, I do hope the regular 911 bloggers will vote this up as this is on of GW's best articles pointing to an international criminal conspiracy behind 911.

The guilty parties are not all in Washington D.C. and we have to make that clear.

Vote this up guys and help defeat the trolls visiting 911 blogger and atempting to sabotage our efforts.

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You're on target about the voting shills, I gave it a 10 too, why would anyone vote it down?

I did not vote it down but I can....

I did not vote it down but I can answer your question...

I looked into the sources being used to support GeorgeWashington's claims that the ISI General Wired 100K to atta...

I notified everyone how weak this accusation is.

Anyone studying this can plainly see this.

Finally, the same sources (yes still broken after years!) are used again only a day or two later.

That is something that does not deserve to be voted up...and probably SHOULD be voted down.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

I don't get you guys...

This blog is a repeat of this blog by GeorgeWashington..

Were U.S. and Allied Intelligence Agents Acting As the Hijackers' Handlers?
http://911blogger.com/node/13162

The new source being used for the Pakistani General ISI claim is: Michel Chossudovsky / Centre for Research on Globalisation

What's constantly hilarious to me ...is that everyone claims there are many sources to this ISI Wire Transfer story. The source refers to the Times Of India article.

So I ask...what gives? Why not just report the Times of India article instead? Why use sources reporting on the original source as your own source? It makes no sense. The 'appeal to authority' source won't work here.

If someone is making a claim like "The General of the ISI wired 100K to Atta" don't you think we should verify THAT first? If we verify THAT then we can move on to the history about the CIA, the ISI and all the other spook agencies who might be involved.

I am all about hammering the suspected culprits butI will never understand this infatuation with such a weakly and, to be frank, shady sources used to confirm it.

I mean...if I am sitting back in my arm-chair thinking to myself...

"What does disinformation look like?"

This ISI General Wired 100K smells more like disinformation then anything else.

THERE IS ONE SOURCE THAT CLAIMS THE ISI GENERAL WIRED 100K TO 911 HIJACKERS....

ONCE SOURCE THAT HAS NEVER BEEN CONFIRMED OR ANYTHING.

ONCE SOURCE THAT IS WEAK, UNCONFIRMED, OUTDATED, and the original publication has distanced itself by reporting conflicting information that is being used over and over to support un-founded claims that just have never been corroborated.

Another thing....

If people like Jon Gold and GeorgeWashington want to keep insisting that the alleged ISI wire transfer is worth our focus and energy....should they not have to provide the details that back up this insistence?

The first claim being made is:

"The Pakistani ISI General Wired 100K To 911 Hijacekrs"

PROOVE IT.

Then we can move on from there and talk about all the spook inter-relationshiops between CIA, Bin Laden, ISI, MI5 etc. etc.

The claim that the ISI general wired money to a 911 Hijacker has been officially debunked over and over and over. And time and again I see people repeating this as fact.

Also, the same "OpinionJournal.Com" source is being used. This is an opinion web only column. Let's pretend that I was interested in this as a source. GeorgeWashington is using it as a source right? It must be pretty good right? Let's see...

Here is the passage....

Our Friends the Pakistanis
Yesterday we noted a report from a Pakistani newspaper that Lt. Gen. Mahmud Ahmad had been fired as head of Islamabad's Inter-Services Security agency after U.S. linked him to a militant allied with terrorists who hijacked an Indian Airlines plane in 1999. Now the Times of India says Ahmad is connected to the Sept. 11 attacks:

Top sources confirmed here on Tuesday, that the general lost his job because of the "evidence" India produced to show his links to one of the suicide bombers that wrecked the World Trade Centre. The US authorities sought his removal after confirming the fact that $100,000 were wired to WTC hijacker Mohammed Atta from Pakistan by Ahmad Umar Sheikh at the instance of Gen Mahumd.

Senior government sources have confirmed that India contributed significantly to establishing the link between the money transfer and the role played by the dismissed ISI chief. While they did not provide details, they said that Indian inputs, including Sheikh's mobile phone number, helped the FBI in tracing and establishing the link.

The way this OpinionJournal.com column is set up is the author of "Best of The Web" provides links to things he thinks you should be reading. Oddly, the author is a neo-con mouthpiece who I don't think anyone here would align themselves with.

Secondly, using this as a source proves just how weak the case against the Pakistani General is.....

1. The title above is a link to this page:
http://www.timesofindia.com/cms.dll/articleshow?art_id=1454238160

Ahh yes...the infamous times of india article....

Claimng you have multiple sources...and in reality...all sources are using the same original source...means you have one source.

But...in your case you have no sources because the TOI article no longer exists.

2. Another link in this excerpt is located at the words "we noted"...and this is a link to a prvious "best of the web" addition. This one is below also...


"Our Friends the Pakistanis
The Pakistani newspaper Dawn reports that Islamabad has replaced the head of its Inter-Services Intelligence agency, Lt. Gen. Mahmud Ahmed, "after the FBI investigators established credible links between him and Umar Sheikh, one of the three militants released in exchange for passengers of the hijacked Indian Airlines plane in 1999.
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So, this 'source' has a link (the title again) which goes here:
http://www.dawn.com/2001/10/09/top13.htm

It's a very short article about something totally un-related.

Want to hear the ultimate funny? I've repeatedly noted all this over and over...most recently on the TWIN SISTER BLOG that GeorgeWasington posted here:

Were U.S. and Allied Intelligence Agents Acting As the Hijackers' Handlers?
http://911blogger.com/node/13162

My comments are virtually the same and yet the same sources are used over and over by the same people.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

Let us also examine the "Pakistan Bribed 911 Commission" claims.

The article linked is from:

The Telegraph: Calcutta India

I've already discussed this source article in depth somewhere else. I am sad that it is still being used however.

1. The author of this article is "Our Special Correspondent" (not too shady but it's a start)
2. Again, no alternate confirmation besides this article
3. The article is from an India publication. I'm suggesting that there is possible bias against Pakistan here. Possible...so we need another source. Let's examine the article further....

The central claim is that Pakistan bribed 911 commission members....let's try to confirm this....

First...


The Pakistan foreign office had paid tens of thousands of dollars to lobbyists in the US to get anti-Pakistan references dropped from the 9/11 inquiry commission report, The Friday Times has claimed.

Jeez...now this article is, right off the bat, talking about another publication...The Friday Times. Wow, I never new confirming claims like this would prove so difficult. Let's continue and see if we can find SOEMTHING.

The Pakistani weekly said its story is based on disclosures made by foreign service officials to the Public Accounts Committee at a secret meeting in Islamabad on Tuesday."

Well, closer to a source...I guess. Or are we?

It claimed that some of the commission members were also bribed to prevent them from including damaging information about Pakistan.

Claims are made everyday. Sadly they are also reported as fact everyday...when the truth has yet to be confirmed.

After the commission tipped the lobbyists about the damaging revelations on Pakistan’s role in 9/11, they contacted the panel members and asked them to go soft on the country. The Friday Times claimed that a lot of money was used to silence these members.

"The Pakistani weekly said its story is based on disclosures made by foreign service officials to the Public Accounts Committee at a secret meeting in Islamabad on Tuesday.

"The Friday Times claimed that a lot of money was used to silence these members."

"According to the report, the lobbyists also helped Pakistan win the sympathy of 75 US Congressmen as part of its strategy to guard Islamabad’s interests in Washington. “US softened towards Pakistan only because of the efforts of the foreign office,” an official was quoted as saying in the report."

So...the claims of bribery are not being made by THIS article. They are just being reported as "claims" from another publication...it would seem the Firday Times? Or is it the Pakistani Weekly? Who knows....

The article provides no source to the Friday Times claims. And people pushing the angle about Pakistani ISI Wired 100K don't care to verify sources so I imagine this will also be reported as fact for the next few years.

Shady all around if you ask me.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

Yet....

If you actually read the Friday Times piece, you will see that the source was "FO official, Sadiq" and he "revealed that a lot of money had been spent to ‘silence’ the members of the inquiry commission and induce them to go ‘soft’ on Pakistan." Which you have been shown several times before, and which you always seem to forget. You have also been shown before that Pakistan denied it, but it was still never investigated. It turned into a he said/she said, and was completely forgotten. I would like the allegation investigated as I'm sure others would as well.


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The reason I don't mention it...

Is because it's a non-story that only exists on Jon Gold's message board.

Your source link goes to the homepage of the FridayTimes website...there is no story there. I can't tell if you made this up, if you made up the author or what.

I'm not suggesting you did Jon. I'm suggesting that you've provided yet another shady source.

Again....ask ourselves...

IS IT EVER THIS HARD TO CONFIRM SOURCES?

Since when do I have to go on a goosechase finding articles, finding sources, figuring out who is referencing who....

If there was a clear case here...it would not be like this.

Or should I be saying to myself....

I SAW IT ON JON GOLDS BOARD SO IT MUST BE TRUE

Jon, are you a member of TheFirdayTimes? If so may I have access for a few minutes to try and locate this article you have on your site? Or you could take a screen shot. I would like the original article from the FridayTimes to add to my database.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

Another lie?

"it's a non-story that only exists on Jon Gold's message board"

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060313080211207

http://www.punjabilok.com/punb2/full.php?p=2515&more=1

Did they make it up as well?

You say, "I don't mean to harp on the ISI thing", and yet, that's ALL you do. You make all of these allegations based on sources that are no longer available on their servers. Do you think maybe, just maybe, that's why sites like this exist? Do you think maybe, just maybe, that's why people like me archive stories on their sites so that if they do get taken off of the server, they're still available?

All you do, as you've done here for well over a year is make allegation after allegation that have been responded to SEVERAL times over, and yet, you always seem to forget that, and rehash the same old bullshit on different days. This is my last response to you. Just be aware everyone... if you post about Pakistan, be prepared for more jpass bullshit.


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How insulting Jon Gold....

So I'm assuming you don't have a membership to The Friday Times of Pakistan?

I have seen the articles you linked to above. I stress, for Jon and others, QUANTITY DOES NOT EQUAL QUALITY.

I do agree that sites dedicated to 911 Truth should archive this stuff. But you are stringing together a bunch of stories into your own narrative.

And again, quantity does not equal quality.

My favorite part of this ISI Goose Chase is people like Jon Gold will post the same information OVER AND OVER and then cry because the skeptics say the same thing over and over.

But Jon Gold will not do an investigation beyond these few random articles which mention another article which probably mentions another article as it's source...but each has broken source links.....but all no longer exist!

You are calilng my research BULLSHIT Jon Gold?

Are you saying that all my research on this matter is bullshit?

You arrogant bag of wind. Your case is and always has been weak. You post the same shit over and over and over. No new developments. ANd you cry because my response is the same?

Others like GeorgeWasington post the same thing over and over and can't even back up their claims...and I point out the flawed research that GeorgeWashington is spreading....and he calls on you to defend HIS claims?

Of course my response is the same! You are using the same tired sources over and over!

Your research on the ISI Money Transfer is based on obscure, outdated articles....seemingly un-related but strung together by you in a grand conspiracy perpetrated by Pakistan and the 911 Commission!

You're reaching Jon. If you feel so strongly then do some real research, interview an FBI agent, ask question. What is the point in posting the same outdated articles over and over for years without furthering your investigation?

Jon Gold....are you trying to waste our time?

And as a 9/11 Truth Researcher / Activist I am truly insulted that you would be so belligerent to me by calling my research bullshit.

I welcome your stated goal of not responding to me....but I don't believe you Jon Gold.

This time, please live up to your obligation of not responding to me again.

Be warned....If you continue posting the SAME STUFF OVER AND OVER ABOUT THE ISI MONEY TRANSFER then I will respond with the same response over and over. Is that strange to you? I can't imagine why.

PS> Jon, to suggest that I have a bias FOR PAKISTAN based on my contention with your shoddy research....is ridiculous To say this merely because someone has spent enough time to notice flaws in your argument is extremely insulting. It's god damn ridiculous. I've only posted on the ISI Money Transfer Goose Chase.

I'm going to go have tea now...with the ex-ISI General Mahmood of course.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

Awweeee Shucks...

This damn story just gets harder and harder to confirm...

I thought:

"wow, maybe the archive.org will have a copy of the site"

And they do!!!!!

But golly me...the month of March (when this story From THE FRIDAY TIMES was written) is missing!

Now all I need to do is fly to Karachi and see if there is anyone I can talk to.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

Pfft...a vote down for me?

What gives? I've put a lot of time into this and for someone to down vote me without stepping up to the plate to help sift the facts from fiction...I find insulting. And to hear this amid cries of 'vote conspiracy against this blog" is pretty lame.

The truth of the matter:

IF this claim could be backed up with solid sources...then it would be. The source is a link to OpinionJournal articles with OBVIOUSLY FLAWED SOURCE LINKS to support his OPINION let alone sources to back up GW's & others claims. ...it just makes people wonder why GW is posting this flawed research in the first place and then pleading with Jon Gold to come help him back it up?

What about the research I'm providing you right here and now? Not good enough? I too follow this subject closely. It's as if you are saying to us...

"It's true I KNOW IT...BELIEVE ME...and if you don't talk to Jon Gold"

If you want to back something then back up the guts of your claims about the ISI...the claim is a straight forward one that should be easily verified with multiple sources right? The original source is over 4 years old! It should have something to back it up right?...you are making it the claim as the author of this blog and as a prominent member of 911 Truth.

DID THE GENERAL OF THE PAKISTANI ISI WIRE 100K TO A 911 Hijackers?

If you can strengthen your claim that the ISI General wired 100K to alleged 911 Hijackers....(which I am confident you can't)....then you have moved us closer to moving one of the OTHER dubiously sourced 'theories' beyond the realm of "myth".

"The 19 Muslim Hijackers Theory"

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

I don't mean to harp...

I don't mean to harp on the ISI thing. The truth is that I don't have time to study much of this 911 information. Like others, I have to pay bills and Sallie Mae so my time is limited. I have studied the ISI claims though and I would love to believe we are on solid ground here. It's not like I'm working for the ISI or something like that.

And I'm not trying to say that GW is some sort of disinfo creep. I dont even know the guy / girl. Anonymous to me and most I know...and I haven't even looked at his / her history or read much of the work done by this relatively anonymous 911 activist. I'm not questioning their street cred either. From what I've heard on the street that has been well established.

I'm merely suggesting we verify things a little more aggressively and pin-point our focus on the most relative of arguments. I mean the story is really based on a mix-mash of nothing. Nothing + nothing = nothing. I've wasted enough time on this ISI non-story...so new 911 Truthers should be able to forgo the hassle.

Am I being a little harsh or demanding here? It is just a blog right? But how many OTHER things go on like this...reported as fact...and the most basic sources or so flimsy. Who knows.

Who has time to figure it out?

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

Verification is needed

but your point of view is simply annoying, don't matter how much words you need to tell us.

Please study the complete 911 timeline, aka the entry of Omar Saeed Sheik and then claim again the 100.000 Dollar claim is disinfo.

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?entity=saeed_sheikh#

All entries suggest that the ISI was in fact one part of the money funneling to Al Qaeda.

June 22, 2007: Arrested Militant Says Saeed Sheikh Funded 9/11 Hijackers
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According to reports in the Indian press, a recently arrested militant leader says he believes Saeed Sheikh wired money to lead hijacker Mohamed Atta before 9/11 (see Early August 2001 and Summer 2001 and before). The militant, who is known as Babu Bhai and is a leader of the militant organization Harkat ul-Jihad al-Islam, says that the money came from a ransom paid for the release of a kidnapped shoe company executive and that he was involved in the kidnap operation as a deputy to the local commander, Asif Raza Khan. Other people involved in the money transfer are arrested based on the information disclosed by Babu Bhai. This confession supports previous reports about the transfer (see September 30-October 7, 2001, January 22-25, 2002 and July 31, 2003)

Based on...

The amount of times people have referenced this in books, articles, movies... it was just mentioned again in the Scotsman, and the notable people that think this is important like Dr. William Pepper, Peter Dale Scott, Ray McGovern, Lorie Van Auken, Mariane Pearl, and on and on and on, and the amount of times the 9/11 Commission addressed it (0, even though it was a question submitted BY the families), I'd say it's a VERY credible issue, and should most certainly be included in any new investigation we manage to get. As you said Sitting-Bull, there is more reason to believe the story is credible than not. I referenced some of them here.


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"Based on the amount of times people have referenced this in books, articles, movies..."

And here is the problem.....

It seems GeorgeWashington is basing his claims on the fact that he's seen it in many different places. I have a problem with this sort of 911 Research. It could be dangerous and lead to a 'read and repeat' style of research where things are rarely vetted for accuracy.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

Realizing Truth can be an annoying process

I understand the annoying aspect of realizing that certain held beliefs might be based on shoddy sources. There was a famous philosopher who advised us to evaluate all our beliefs and discard those that are not based on facts, evidence, and vetted information.

That is what is uncomfortable I believe. This is a non-story.

I've written some interesting articles on this site and others about this topic. I've spent time studying it...just as much as Jon Gold and probably as much time as most people in the 911 Truth movement.

I've outlined a solid case that shows that GW is claiming something that he really has yet to confirm himself (see where he asks Jon Gold to back him up).\

Evaluate your belief that by asking yourself....

"Can I confirm that the ISI General wired 100K to atta?"

Can you reasonably confirm this? I've studied the topic for more then a year...and the fact that people are still quoting an article form 6 years ago should tell you something about this story.

The story you quoted above is based on shady information. Indian authorities got the information fro a prisoner who allegedly ratted on Omar before he was gunned down in an apparent escape attempt.

Jeesh...another un-conformable source! Are you surprised?

There are so many reason NOT to believe this story and I've provided you all with the most obvious.

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