Creeping Fascism: From Nazi Germany to Post 9/11 America (Alternet)

Creeping Fascism: From Nazi Germany to Post 9/11 America
By Ray McGovern, Consortium News. Posted December 29, 2007.

Americans today are seeing the same sheepish submissiveness that characterized Germany after the burning of the Reichstag.

"There are few things as odd as the calm, superior indifference with which I and those like me watched the beginnings of the Nazi revolution in Germany, as if from a box at the theater...Perhaps the only comparably odd thing is the way that now, years later...."

These are the words of Sebastian Haffner (pen name for Raimund Pretzel), who as a young lawyer in Berlin during the 1930s experienced the Nazi takeover and wrote a first-hand account. His children found the manuscript when he died in 1999 and published it the following year as "Geschichte eines Deutschen" (The Story of a German). The book became an immediate bestseller and has been translated into 20 languages -- in English as "Defying Hitler."

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Thanks for the update and info

As always, your posts are useful and informative.

This creeping Fascism is also creeping into a large numbers of nations involved in this contrived "War of Civilizations"- For eg we have to include, Canada, Britain, France, Germany... many of the NATO nations..

It looks like Freedom has a new spelling.

It is called Fascism. All under a fake Christian guise.

Those carrying the cross and yet being the biggest murderers in recent history.

The million odd Iraqis and the 1st 911 victims will probably agree.

I wonder how all those "Christian" leaders like Pat Robertson, Billy Graham, the late Jerry Falwell etc will respond when the truth finally comes out.

Hide behind the cross?

Thou Shalt not Lie.
Thou Shalt not Kill.

It looks like the Political Clergy of the Bush Administration is capable of doing both with impunity.
All in the name of G.O.D.

Guns, Oil, Drugs.

Hitler used the Cross, the Name of God and Christianity to achieve his political goals as Fuhrer / Saviour of Germany.

So are the 911 Messiahs in D.C. using the bully pulpit to manipulate the truth with FOX guarding the hen house and the sheep being led to Fascism with the "Flag" and the "Cross".

Jesus warned us of flase prophets and false christs. We should heed this warining.

"When fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross." - attributed to Sinclair Lewis.

The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it

There is far more to our present "creeping fascism" than

Christians & the cross, as you put it. The weak-minded masses of all religions are being manipulated by the globalists towards their goal of one-world government.

Timely, Universal, Relevant Quotes

"The issue today is the same as it has been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small elite." -- Thomas Jefferson

"A people may prefer a free government, but if, from indolence, or carelessness, or cowardice, or want of public spirit, they are unequal to the exertions necessary for preserving it; if they will not fight for it when it is directly attacked; if they can be deluded by the artifices used to cheat them out of it; if by momentary discouragement, or temporary panic, or a fit of enthusiasm for an individual, they can be induced to lay their liberties at the feet even of a great man, or trust him with powers which enable him to subvert their institutions; in all these cases they are more or less unfit for liberty: and though it may be for their good to have had it even for a short time, they are unlikely long to enjoy it." -- John Stuart Mill, Representative Government, 1861

"What the government is good at is collecting taxes, taking away your freedoms and killing people. It's not good at much else." -- Tom Clancy on Kudlow and Cramer 9/2/03

McGovern gets after it!

I'm glad Ray McGovern is on our side, the guy knows how to get after it. He's as robust in his stance as anyone with the possible exception of Alex Jones.

I love the quote from Madison to end the article:

"I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.... The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home."

It seems so obvious, at this point, a reference to a "creeping fascism" seems an understatement?

My honest impression is the same circles of power who were responsible for the machinations of WWII, are the same hands at work in recent desperate developments, i.,e, OKC, WTC 93 and 9/11. I firmly believe these heinous acts are committed as much out of fear (of the loss of power) as it is pure greed or lust for power!

The ruling elite (oligarchs) are indeed feeling pressure and fear more losses that make 2008 pivotal. I hope they lose!

In the end, I defend the average American to the extent that shrinking incomes pinch them. It's been almost a generation of two incomes, and frequently, those working two jobs. Americans are too tired to be informed and aggressive in their pursuit of a solution! They are not sheepish just distracted and occupied with making a living!

The American's honesty and work ethic--if anything--has worked against them, allowing an absolutely unscrupulous leadership to run amok!

It's by intent the average citizen can see nothing out of the ordinary in his immediate environment other than noticing that money doesn't go as far. It's a Psy Op to allow the average person to remain psychologically comfortable with a perilous status quo!

To this extent, McGovern may be incorrect? I don't believe the average American will have much choice but to be more active in 2008 to resist and divert the consummation of a total police state. It's 1968 all over again but with much higher stakes!

My bet is on Americans to step up as a "People" to meet the clear challenges of this next year. The wool will no longer be pulled over their eyes, because they will be forced to act!

Anyone can begin to act by something as simple as signing up at Wexler wants Hearings to sign a petition asking for names of citizens who desire hearings to seek the impeachment of Cheney. It can only be a good thing to put our grimacing V.P. on his heels!

...don't believe them!

great quote

Great quote, Joe

The opening paragraphs of Thomas Paine's "Common Sense," the pamphlet that inflamed the colonies before the Revolutionary War, are also helpful in thinking about 9/11.

"Of the origin and design of government in general, with concise remarks on the English Constitution.

SOME writers have so confounded society with government, as to leave little or no distinction between them; whereas they are not only different, but have different origins. Society is produced by our wants, and government by wickedness; the former promotes our happiness positively by uniting our affections, the latter negatively by restraining our vices. The one encourages intercourse, the other creates distinctions. The first is a patron, the last a punisher

Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one; for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries by a government, which we might expect in a country without government, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer. Government, like dress, is the badge of lost innocence; the palaces of kings are built on the ruins of the bowers of paradise. For were the impulses of conscience clear, uniform, and irresistibly obeyed, man would need no other lawgiver; but that not being the case, he finds it necessary to surrender up a part of his property to furnish means for the protection of the rest; and this he is induced to do by the same prudence which in every other case advises him out of two evils to choose the least. Wherefore, security being the true design and end of government, it unanswerably follows that whatever form thereof appears most likely to ensure it to us, with the least expence and greatest benefit, is preferable to all others "

The Storyed Business of Movies

In degrees of separation, this Gospel sparks to "Mr. Big" like the degrees of separation binding "The Great Train Robbery" to "911". A comment, on a comment, under a post, by a fan of the good Ray G... (name dropping Raimund Pretzel of all Sebastians!)...

... speaking of SpyRay G., later separated from other G. Persons gag-speaking The Message Killed...

Anyone want to take a stab at what THAT has to do with a moon-hoax hoax?
(As the Gospel says, this is NOT about 'na na' raspberries. It's about getting to the bottom of it to fix the foundation.)

Thank you 911blogger people.


random question......

i saw a Tom Kean documentary on a local station recently that had some very interesting info in it. would love to know the name of it if anybody can help me. Kean had a stake in the Port Authority and had some kind of role there before 9/11. i did not know this until i saw this doc.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Concerning Nazi "History"

Rather than engage in the folly of challenging orthodox history, I will merely quote a leading expert in manipulating public opinion using Pearl Harbor-like events:
First, let me address the scope of contemporary political history. Conceptualizing what “contemporary political history”does and does not encompass requires a definition of what is meant by both “contemporary” and “political.” Starting with the term “contemporary,” I offer two premises: (1) Most reasoning in political affairs is historical, as opposed to economic or legal; (2) Most historical reasoning arises from inferences drawn from contemporary history. From these two premises, the conclusion follows that understanding contemporary political history is extremely important and constantly alive in public discourse. “Contemporary” is defined functionally by those critical people and events that go into forming the public’s presumptions about its immediate past. This idea of “public presumption” is akin to William McNeill’s notion of “public myth” but without the negative implication sometimes invoked by the word “myth.” Such presumptions are beliefs (1) thought to be true (although not necessarily known to be true with certainty), and (2) shared in common within the relevant political community. The sources for such presumptions are both personal (from direct experience) and vicarious (from books,movies, and myths). For the generation who fought World War II, “Munich” is an example of such a public presumption; for the Founding Fathers, “Horatio”was a shared public presumption.The power of these presumptions derives from their role in facilitating conversation, analysis, and understanding. ~ Philip Zelikow

Far be it from me to challenge the assumed truths regarding "those critical people and events that go into forming the public’s presumptions about its immediate past." Nor shall I openly challenge how those assumed truths have been uncritically accepted as fact, forming the orthodoxy of recent history.

"History hides the lies of our Civil War." ~ Axl Rose