Bill Maher brings up "Pet Goat incident" on 1st show back w/ Mark Cuban, Catherine Crier, Tony Snow, Matt Taibbi and PJ O'Rourke
Just ran into the clips of Bill Maher's 1st show back and there were some interesting moments to be had. Reflecting on last year, I still think his big interruption moment of 2007 was rejuvenative on all accounts. Yes, it could have been done with a little bit more finessing, but more important is that it was done. The perfect could have become the enemy of the good in this case. And it got people talking. We need more interruptions done strategically. What we want is people talking, debating, raising the issue. There are many fronts and faces in this challenge. The civil rights movement successfully found a place for the different strategies and styles of Rosa Parks, Malcolm X and MLK. Bill Maher and the rest of corporate media have a long election year ahead of them. It could get more interesting than anyone can imagine.
Well, onto the show and some of the interesting moments. 1st of all, it was intriguing that they had Cuban and Taibbi on, both of whom played their own special roles in relation to the 9-11 truth movement in the fairly recent past. I think the Loose Change Crew is in a better place to negotiate the destiny of their film's impact from where they stand now than if they had been in a boat with Cuban. It's presence will be increasingly felt over time. It's a hard hitting documentary in terms of its slew of undebunkable facts, which is partially why it will have a harder time getting noticed by the MSM.
Taibbi's prediction that "dickwads" Dylan, Jason and Korey were doing the work of Karl Rove and hurting the Democrats chances in the '06 elections turned out to be completely false and it wasn't because millions took his advice and decided not to watch Loose Change or that the Louder than Words crew didn't have a steep PR learning curve to deal with in relation to the explosive impact of their film(s). And meanwhile, it has become clear that:
1) Rove's tactics are doing anything but becoming more effective,
2) the 9-11 truth movement-having just been mentioned in the Republican debates (no matter how snidely)- is doing anything but going away, and
3) the naive hope that our Democrat saviors would do anything but prevent constitutionally-required impeachment, bank their political capital on further carnage in the Middle East, and save our children from the influence of roid-raged sluggers has been dashed on the hard rocks of reality that line the bank of the District of Cover-up and other such criminality.
Taibbi is semi-funny and a pretty good media critic at times, but clearly plays the role of an uber-cynical semi-partisan hack. Unlike Taibbi, I actually face the facts of the treasonous coup we are currently living under, and still don’t carry a fraction of the cynicism dripping from him. Maybe that’s because we who attempt to be honest about 9-11 actually put forth the possibility of real hope and real change, beyond myopic sloganeering and snarky sneering.
It’s ironic in a sort of cool way that many of us who focus with laser-beam intensity on this one “issue” (“there’s no time to talk about 9-11 conspiracies, we gotta stop the war”) that happened over six years ago (“get over it already”) actually have some of the deepest understanding of what is happening and a most expansive vision of what is possible.
Anyways, less rambling, more clips:
Part 1-Bill’s Crying Moment and Critique of the “Change” election
I propose the “We the People Are the Change” election
Part 2-“Caucus Me!”
Many people have no clue what is going on. What’s new? But, as we all know, we are living in what amounts to a two-party dictatorship where elections serve more as cheap, diversionary entertainment than as a chance for real political talk and debate to flow forth. On that front, I am writing an article on “Why the 9-11 Truth and Justice Movement is the Real Constitutional Candidate in 2008.”
The part where the dude with massive body art of all types is voting for John McCain the MK-Ultra Propaganda Poster Boy, and has no clue why, is pretty interesting and telling.
Part 3- P.J. O'Rourke, anti-conspiracism and Vote Fraud
@ the :25 mark-- P.J. O’Rourke: “Your buddy Ron Paul got raked in the New Republic you know. Apparently, he’s been out burying krugerrands in the back yard and telling people how the Southern Baptists got out of the World Trade Tower 2 before everybody else. “
@ the 2:28 mark- Bill Maher: “I’m not a conspiracy theorist…but”
then talks about voting machines possible election fraud. That's pretty cool. This election is getting interesting.
@ the 4:45 mark- Maher says “In crime, they always ask “cui bono?,” “who profits?””
Good Bill. Now if you start thinking through means and opportunity, you'll actually begin to understand 9-11.
@ the 4:55 mark- Tony Snow basically calls him a conspiracy wacko
"So Republicans are throwing the election to Hillary Clinton? Your hair's on fire. That's totally wacko."
Feel that Bill. Stop doing that to those of us who are saying that on 9-11 the Emperor had no clothes on.
Part 4-Iraq War
@ 8:50 mark starts an "Al-Qaeda has been purposely overblown and misrepresented" discussion.
Part 5- End of war talk into Economics
Cuban @ 5:05- partisanship, Bill O’Reilly calling me a traitor
Overtime- On Impeachment and Bill brings up 9-11 and does parody of Bush's 7 minutes of "Pet Goat" infamy as impeachable
beginning: Ron Paul’s racism?
@1:30- Impeachment talk about lies leading to War on Iraq, Wiretapping, politicizing the justice system…then
@2:55 Maher says “And let’s not forget sitting there for 7 minutes on 9-11…When the guy says “the country is under attack”…”
Tony Snow: “Alright, I want to get back to Catherine…”
Bill Maher: “No I mean right now…”
Catherine Crier: “I gotta read the goat, the goat.”
Mark Cuban: “The goat.”
Bill Maher: “I’m not saying you should get up…the country…no, our country is under, OUR country is under...”
“To me that’s beyond politics.”
Tony Snow: “I’m never going to beat the comedian on this one.”
Bill Maher: “There’s a reason people find it funny.”
Tony Snow: “That’s right.”
Then goes on to deny there was lying about Iraq.
Bill Maher: “He certainly wouldn’t be the first president to lie the country into war. I mean the Gulf of Tonkin…”
Then they argued about cherry-picked intelligence sundaes on the way out.
Pretty interesting. Bill's close. That was one of the funnier renditions I've seen of what Andy Card should have said. And it brought out the absurdity of that moment so much so that Tony Snow couldn't even muster a "he wanted to remain calmly presidential and not scare the children." Maher identified and playfully articulated a moment that clearly shows Bush's 9-11 criminality, whether you believe it to be criminal negligence or different levels of treasonous complicity. Personally, I would say Bush was soft LIHOP treason with not much specific knowledge and possibly cornered by the coup. And massive treasonous complicity in the cover-up after as can be clearly seen in his uncomfortable and extremely awkward demeanor after testifying to the 9-11 commission and after being lobbed a softball on Dean questioning his foreknowledge. Roll the clips (now on the internet, in the future during the treason trials)
"There's time for politics." Show this to your friends who just can't believe they could hide it for this long. They can't. If one can't see guilt here, I think it would take a Cheney child sacrifice live on CSPAN to do it.