Let's debate whether the Bill Maher event or this event with Joe Scarborough's response are making people aware
and causing them to look into our claims or are turning them away. I'd say they are working to our advantage!!
I'd say we are waking more people up. Politeness isn't the answer in all settings.

JFK who said "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, also make violent revolution inevitable."

Just when we criticize the sheeple for being silent, we start criticizing the noisy rebel for FINALLY doing something. Which way do you want it?

I say we want anything we can get. Stop bitching from the keyboard and do something (else).

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I think we have to harness the power of the internet. I have given out many DVDs here at Yale but thus far the most effective thing has been to post articles to my facebook account. People can't ignore it if it shows up on their newsfeed.

Thank you Cameron for stating the obvious so eloquently.

You have many allies, including me.

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I personally don't want to start a fight with anyone or be disruptive within the 911 movement. Certainly there are a great diverse number of folks who all have opinions about how things should get done. Let me say that I know that there are a good number of people who are putting their jobs on the line (I personally lost a great government job and was forced out of my occupation) and there are many who are putting there personal safety at risk because of their brave effort to get the truth out, and while I may disagree with some of their methods because I think it is not productive or even counter productive in some cases, I do appreciate everyone who is really trying. Let me also say that I could be wrong about the confrontations and the way they are sometimes carried out. Maybe it will have some positive impact. My recollections of MLK and Ghandi may be flawed, but I thought they arranged for their own public demonstrations and marches and so forth, not disrupting opponents events, but maybe I am just not familiar with all that they did. I personally have never met a 911 truther who came to the truth by something presented by the mainstream media or who witnessed a confrontation at some event, but perhaps there are quite a number of them. I certainly see the point of how the reaction by the media (Scarborough and Willie's comments) could make many folks who aren't aware of what's going on take notice. I do remember the shock value of turning public support for the Civil Rights movement was the witnessing of the police brutality against peaceful protesters. But I must say again that I honestly think the only way we will ever get truth and justice in this matter will be to educate the public. I mean if I was ignorant of what is going on and I watched someone interrupt an event on t.v. with shouting that is not clear what they are saying and even if I saw the slogan, and then the person is ridiculed by the commentators I am not sure that I would be influenced to find out more about the movement or support it, and I am thinking that if approached by someone who wanted to educate me about the movement I think I would be less receptive, not more, because of what I remembered from the t.v. spot. After all, there is a reason why these NWO folks took control of the mainstream media. I honestly believe the only hope we have is by growing the movement to a majority of citizens throughout the world en mass. Again, I could be wrong. What may be telling and convincing is to have some way of knowing how many of us there really are and to find out in what ways we came to the truth, but I don't see any way of doing that. I personally learned of the truth through my own research and I stumbled onto the movement thru the internet which is what I hear alot of truthers say. I also have met a number of truthers who were influenced by a flyer or dvd or by a friend or family member telling them, but no other ways.

It is by no means clear to me that they know...at least in the sense that we know what we know. When people see my 9/11 truth sweatshirt and ask me if I believe 9/11 was an inside job, so to speak, I tell them NO...I do not believe it; I know it, based on years of relentless study and consideration of other explanations. I know...but I paid the price of knowledge which is tenacious study.

I'd wager that a good share of our elected officials have privately looked at what our movement has said. Curiosity alone would compel these folks, so many of whom are lawyers or other professionals, to at least look. That said, I'd also wager that most have then looked away afterwards, finding it more comfortable to cleave to the lies.

I have a good friend who is also my company's lawyer. He has looked. I have inundated him with truth. He cannot accept that "our government would do something like that to its own people." It just does not compute for him, even though he can no longer argue effectively against the wealth of evidence. The most he can agree to is that we should have a new commission. Hey, I'll take it! That is precisely what we all want, right?

Looking back to elected officials, no doubt there is a cohort that does know the truth, many of them believing that the end sought by the perps justified the mean. The rest are simply afraid and who are we to call them out for it?

Callahan was ahead of our beloved former Attorney General and his plane "crashed" without his wife on board. His widow beat Ashcroft. Lesson learned. Wellstone had an "accident" with his wife in tow. Coleman won. We know what happened to Michael Ruppert and others who "crossed the line." There is every reason to be afraid and I would be too if I were a politician who, in coming out of the 9/11 closet, had an impact. They don't care about people they can marginalize like brave Cynthia McKinney...but you better believe the care big time about Sibel Edmonds.

If, say, a respected Senator declared that he believed the official lie was just that, I would think he was risking his life. We know where the anthrax goes, eh?

I think we are going to win. They did not anticipate the potency of the Internet. Had there been one in November, 1963, that might have turned out differently than it did.

There is, in the end, no place to hide. Sooner or later> That said, I also believe that others will take the fall, not the true culprits, as this is forever the way it works in situations like this. They will "discover" a rogue element that was involved. That is how it will turn in the end, assuming that there isn't a coup instead and we get to meet one another in special Halliburton-built housing.

Remember the elegantly documented conspiracy to overthrow Roosevelt. The guilty ones never were called to account. Traitors walked scott free. Why? Because of their "last names" and status. So it will be here. So it always is in a country that is a democracy in name only.

Gov't know the truth"??? The 9/11 inside job was highly compartmentalized, with very few people being privy to the full picture. (Also, then what about our elected officials in state, county, city, local gov't??? Do they all know too??? Why/why not???)

How does confronting the criminals in public "do absolutely nothing to advance the truth"??? The #1 thing that the truth movement needs is exposure & publicity, and confronting (questioning, disagreeing with, criticizing, etc.) the criminals in public is one way of getting this.

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I find that the only people I've actually been successful at convincing are people I've known for a while and who trust me. I don't drop the 911 Truth bomb on anyone right away anymore. There's too much emotional resistance.. I find other avenues with other truth issues, pointing out important manufactured crises that are well known.
Remember the California rolling blackouts? When did that happen last? Manufactured crisis and well documented, too. To the point of recorded phone calls where energy brokers are talking about fucking over consumers.
Did those kill anybody? You can be sure they did. Enron didn't make any special provisions for hospitals or traffic lights, did they? They didn't care who died to make their scratch. And they got away with it.
Everyone gets that conspiracy.
Most people get big pharma's recent coverups and conspiracies too (bird flu, Viox, Thimerosol).
Venezuela is another avenue. The movie 'The Revolution Will Not Be Televised' is on big corporate blackout. You can't get it at Blockbuster or on Netflix. Why? Because it shows an inside perspective of a US backed fascist coup. It shows CNN absolutely lying about the situation on Venezuelan television. And, because Hugo Chavez is a freaking action hero who appears to actually care about people to the point where he's willing to risk his life for them. He embarrasses our "leaders".
Naomi Klein's new book, "The Shock Doctrine" is a treasure trove of manufactured crises, and a retelling of history from an honest and well documented perspective. She doesn't promote 9/11 Truth, other than to point out some of the most chilling insider connections - like Kissinger, who planned the September 11th assassination of Allende in Chile, being appointed to head the 9/11 Commission. When confronted w/ 9/11 Truth, I watched Klein say, "I don't believe the 9/11 Commission report either, but I only write what I can prove."
9/11 Truth is quite probably the most important issue ever. But the emotional resistance is heavy to an uninformed public.. Everyone is now preloaded with the information that there are "kooks" and "nuts" who believe in "conspiracies". Once someone confronts what they already know about conspiracies and realizes how truly ruthless many people in positions of power are, 9/11 is obvious.
We all have our different takes, and I'm not here to criticize others for how they spread truth. I'm just saying what works for me. I read here often and don't post much, but I take strength from the fact that you all are in the world. We will prevail, and I think soon.
Prepare yourselves, your friends and your families for the upcoming financial crash. The empire won't be stopped before they perform le grande ripoff.
Much Love,
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Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
~George Orwell

“so you see, kids, we’ve been in this a long time. We want the same things you do, but we know by now they can’t be gotten overnight. It’s our experience that you have to work slowly to get lasting results. We’d hate to see your movement backfire and spoil the things we’ve worked so hard for. You need guidance, and we hope you’ll have the vision to accept it.”

The response of the students was brief, unpolished, to the point: “We are continuing the movement as best we know how. We hope you will join us.”

That’s from Howard Zinn’s Voices of a People’s History. It describes a disagreement over tactics between the “old guard” of the Civil Rights Movement and Students for a Democratic Society. The old guard wanted to go through “proper” channels, the young upstarts insisted on direct action.

I support We Are Change and I think most people in the movement do as well. It’s not just about converting others to our cause, though that’s certainly part of it. It’s about showing these politicians, bureaucrats and other assorted war mongers that we will not stand idly by while they spew their lies and hatred in public. Influential supporters of the “war on terror” should not be allowed to show their faces on the street with fear of being confronted by advocates of 911 truth. Not confronted with violence, obviously, but courage and (hopefully) wisdom. Courage is contagious. For every brainwashed brownshirt who tries to yank the sign from your hands there will be dozens of semi-enlightened and compassionate people who recognize the beauty of what you are doing.

On the latter point, namely wisdom, some activists could definitely use some help, but rather than try to diminish their actions or dismiss We Are Change as a whole we would do better to offer constructive critique on how they could make their confrontations more effective (ideally by doing it ourselves, but not everyone excels at public speaking – myself for instance). Some people, apparently, think that confrontation should be scrapped altogether. I disagree. Confrontation is inevitable. I agree that yelling out “911 was an inside job” is probably not very useful. However, asking pointed questions about, for instance, the war games, will unplug more than a few ears in addition to putting the speaker in the hot seat. If we carry ourselves with relative calm and rationally we will demand respect.

I don’t think the people at We Are Change should be too defensive about constructive criticism. For instance, I criticized the New York group for handing out copies of Endgame. 911 truth is controversial enough without getting into global warming. I also criticized them for conflating 911 truth with Ron Paul, an individual many in the movement have never supported, let alone the public at large.

However, a lot of what I see in this thread and the other on the subject amounts to little more than whining. If you have a better idea, spell it out. If you think certain subjects should be raised instead of others: list them. If you think certain types of venues are useful for confrontation and others not, explain your reasoning. If you have one or two examples of confrontations you think WERE effective, post the link. If you think our energies are better spent doing something else entirely, say exactly what.

The only solution I’ve seen advocated is some sorts of nebulous grass roots outreach and “more creativity”. Well, a lot of the people involved with We Are Change are also involved with a tangible example of exactly that, namely Truthaction and the 11th Day campaign. How many of the critics have taken action on the 11th in solidarity with the dozens of cities participating worldwide? Frankly, I’ve seen larger actions in Paris, Berlin, Calgary and Perth than most American cities. Why is that? If you’re interested in grassroots outreach and mass action, visit truthaction.org and click on the forum. From there you can network with other activists in your area and propose new ideas. It doesn't just have to be about the 11th, though taking that small step is a great start.

As for We Are Change itself, I will continue to support their non-violent civil disobedience, and I hope others will as well.

These are extremely valid points. We are at a (good) point in this movement that when someone speaks publicly about 911 Truth, they speak for all of us, at least as far as the public views things. We have a responsibility to each other now. God bless the "in-your-face activists," but they need to think very carefully about what they say and what question(s) they ask. There is nothing wrong with speaking loudly to be heard. There is everything wrong with saying something stupid or insulting. Confronting "the enemy" is fine and has its place, but the really important task is in gaining allies, a slow and arduous process with a sustaining effect that is best executed with a different kind of activism. viv la differance. And by the way, last time I checked, Freemasons were an exclusively male fraternity, so I'm not sure how Hillary rose to the top echelon, apart from the fact that the accusations toward Masonry are about as valid as accusing the Rotary Club or the Elks. Even the soft-spoken among us needs to careful not to say stupid stuff.

Cameron,

I read what you said but respectfully, I must disagree.

Here's a question.

Are you an activist?
A joiner
A pretender? or
A mole?

An activist is someone who figures out scientifically exactly what needs to be done and does it
i.e., which legislator to confront and expose his/her illegal conduct to his/her constituents.

A joiner is an idealist who wants to do something about a problem.

A joiner will eventually become an activist or a pretender.

A pretender is a joiner who wants to do something as long as it's non-threatening.

A mole is someone who is paid to derail the activists, organize the the joiners and befriend the pretenders.

Moles are easily spotted and exposed by activists. Moles give themselves away by attempting to talk joiners out of doing exactly what's needed to effect meaningful change, i.e., exposing the crimes that the moles' bosses have committed publicly.

You said that disruptive behavior during media events would hurt our cause. I beg to disagree.

Ghandi and MLK both "disrupted" numerous "media" events to expose the crimes of decision makers.

Ghandi and MLK were activists.

Joiners are almost at the tipping point. They're sick of the lies, and care too deeply about exposing 9/11 to give up.

The real war is between the those who will take a bribe and those who won't.

We ought to have some sympathy for moles. They've low intellect, are easily detected, and are dumped by their bosses
when this happens. A mole without a hole is in a precarious position. As soon as they're detected, they run for the hills.
No one wants them.

Susan

P.S. Folks, follow the money to uncover a mole.