The Norad Stand Down in 2 Minutes

NORAD, responsible for intercepting errant aircraft over the U.S., has a standard operating procedure for scrambling planes for interception which takes less than 15 minutes

They did this successfully (on time) 129 times in 2000 and and 67 times between September 2000 and June 2001.

Yet, on September 11th, they failed to do their job 4 times in a single day:

You might think that the military couldn't find the hijacked planes because the hijackers turned off the transponders. However, a former air traffic controller, who knows the flight corridor which the two planes which hit the Twin Towers flew "like the back of my hand" and who handled two actual hijackings says that planes can be tracked on radar even when their transponders are turned off (also, listen to this interview).

Indeed, Norad's stand down on 9/11 is so blatant that Norad has given 3 entirely different versions of what happened that day. Norad's false, ever-shifting explanations were so severe that the 9/11 Commission considered recommending criminal charges for making false statements (free subscription required).

Silverstein is suing everybody left right and center

for 911 damages-liability.

See: Developer sues to recover 9/11 costs

NEW YORK (CNN) -- The developer of the World Trade Center in New York is seeking $12.3 billion in damages from the airlines and other companies associated with the September 11 terrorist attacks, his spokesman said Thursday.

Larry Silverstein, president and CEO of Silverstein Properties, has recovered $4.6 billion in insurance payments, spokesman Bud Perrone said.

The additional money is meant to offset the remaining costs of what was lost on September 11.......

What is NORAD's "liability" for those "damages"?

Why doesn't Silverstein SUE NORAD itself? The Pentagon has a defacto MULTI Trillion Budget.

Or are they afraid to touch on this line of "enquiry"?

Why pick on the "small fish" - like some effectively bankrupt airline that probably has to abandon its pension plan to cough up the dough?

Sorry Larry, all the lawyers and judges you have bought with those billions aren't going to get you out of the hole you have dug for yourself.

And your "Friends".
The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it

The more lawyers asking questions the better - IMHO

This is good news. Lawyers asking questions like "how do you know which planes hit the buildings without serial numbers to confirm the planes' identities? --- etc. etc.

Lawyers who would never come out of the woodwork to ask questions on their own are bound by their oaths to ask questions on behalf of their clients - regardless of how unpopular these questions might be.

Fighting over money is the main motive behind almost all wars. Fighting over money could reveal the truth.

34 minutes of war before Pentagon attack

Russ Hallberg

The Pentagon was "attacked" 34 minutes after the second WTC tower was attacked. The US was in a known state of war. This was also 1.5hours after the first hijacking was confirmed.

The Pentagon attack alerted me to the falsehood of the official story the day it happened. While researchers should spend time sifting through the data, activists might spend their time more effectively pointing out the unbelievable timing of the Pentagon attack.

One of our best talking points is often buried in the rubble of controversy surrounding what actually happened during the Pentagon attack. WHEN is our strongest point.



34 Minutes is a lifetime in the 21st Century.

So the plane is 50 miles? 30 Miles? 10 Miles? Out?

Do the orders still stand?

Mr Cheney.

We will like to know.

Oh yeah, those air defenses, probably under maintenance on that day. Just a co-incidence.

Those 3000+ people who were killed that day, Mr Cheney, did not VOLUNTEER TO DIE like those 4000+ solders in Iraq.

And those solders in Iraq never VOLUNTEERED TO BE LIED TO by their Commander-In-Chief either.

I know quite a few people in UNIFORM (RETIRED) who WOULD LOVE TO VOLUNTEER TO HAVE A CHAT with you.

Somewhere near this.

To remind you of what you are responsible for.

Semper Fi.

Its more than high time to IMPEACH!
The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it

Why is it so hard to confirm the air defenses at the Pentagon?

It seems IMPOSSIBLE that the pentagon would not have air defenses. Ray McGovern has said that it does. Why is it so difficult to confirm this with some photos, interior or exterior, or some documents or SOMETHING ????

Not that confirmation of this is necessary to anyone who is not under the psychological spell of the what Lynn Margulis characterized as "the most successful television commercial in history."

I was under the spell myself for five years --- until I saw a 6 second video of WTC 7. That broke the spell for me. Some pictures of defenses at the Pentagon would go a long way to break the spell for others (I would think).

Mr McGovern is right.

This is Classified stuff.

We will never get to see pictures.

Andrews AFB is about 10 Miles from the Pentagon.

Do the math.

Are military bases unprotected from Russian / Rogue Missiles - Sea Launched etc?
What is the sphere of coverage for an Air Force Base? Missile Defenses etc?

9.9 Miles?

They were just out of range? I am sure Dick Cheney would LOVE for us to believe that.



The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it

transponder hoax

Could Russian fighter jets invading our airspace need to turn off their transponders to be invisible? For decades this was a threat. Certainly an enemy fighter trying to avoid detection would not be using a transponder, yet the plane would be visible to radar. A commercial jet liner like a 757 is not only much slower than a fighter jet but also much larger. To think that simply turning off the transponders of four 757s was enough to evade a military response is ridiculous. No expert knowledge is required to realize this.

GW. It's time to make finer distinctions


We need a comprehensive overview of each department, one that distinguishes between the actions of:

NEADS (North East Air Defense Sector, New York State)
NORAD (Colorado + ?)
PEOC (White House)
PENTAGON (VA, various offices)

There are many players, and we must figure out who did what.

Apparently -- THIS IS IMPORTANT -- the FAA people in New Hampshire, tracking the two flights 11 and 175, could not get any response from military headquarters (need analysis), and so they called NEADS directly. These are air traffic conttrollers calling up a military command which is lower down on the totem pole than they were supposed to be calling. They did this because no tangible response was coming from the headquarters.

NEADS took it upon themselves (ignoring the need for Secretary of Defense "approval") to launch fighters.

What the people at NEADS saw, believed, and did is problematic. The Vanity Fair "tapes" supposedly tell us the "story" of 9/11 as recorded at NEADS (New York).

These tapes ignore why no response was forthcoming from NORAD and the PENTAGON. Why crucial minutes were wasted, why all the lying by officials, and why the Secretary of Defense and President were out of the loop. The fall back cover story is that interceptors are moot because there was no Presidential order to shoot. So it just didn't matter. As long as Bush was too busy reading about goats, nothing the military did pre-pentagon strike mattered!

This also relates to possible FALSE BLIPS on NEADS screens, and a general confusion there that the official apologists use to assign blame for the lack of response.

This ignores the role of headquarters, Rumsfeld, Cheney, PEOC, NORAD, etc.

Our best argument is to go to the top, and find out why no one could be bothered to defend the nation in a timely manner.

70 Disturbing Facts About 9/11

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...........because no

...........because no tangible response was coming from the headquarters.................


Too busy reading about a Pet Goat to children?

The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it


GeorgeWashington wrote:

"They did this successfully (on time) 129 times in 2000 and and 67 times between September 2000 and June 2001."

That's a misreading of the second link. The 67 times was between September 11, 2001, and June, 2002.

I don't think so

"The military sent fighter jets to chase suspicious aircraft 462 times between Sept. 11 and June, nearly seven times as often as the 67 scrambles from the same period a year earlier."

The first part refers to the period after 9/11, the latter to the period preceding 9/11.

129 times

"They did this successfully (on time) 129 times in 2000 "

That is, however, not said in the article linked.