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James Moore, co-author of "Bush's Brain" and "The Architect," has no doubt "that Karl [Rove] was running the 9-11 Commission"

Last Sunday, on "Live from the Left Coast" on KPFK in Los Angeles, Ian Masters had on James Moore the co-author of "Bush's Brain: How Karl Rove Made George W. Bush Presidential" and, more recently, "The Architect: Karl Rove and the Dream of Absolute Power."

I decided to call up and draw out the connections among the allegations made in Philip Shenon's book "The Commission," and the follow up by Philly 9-11 Truth (see: Karl Rove Is Questioned About His Involvement With the 9/11 Commission by Philly 9/11 Truth )

The show recording is here: http://www.ianmasters.org/left_coast.html -under March 30th, 2008- My question is at the 41:10 mark.

Me: "...I think that this is a very crucial sort-of connection for Karl Rove, because that Commission was highly manipulated and, if it was manipulated and it was a cover-up, then, under Article III Section 3 of the Constitution, I think we can consider it a treasonous cover-up."

James Moore: "I don't have any doubt that Karl was running the 9-11 Commission. And, obviously, the people who were the key people on that, Jeremy, were appointed by the Bush administration, were beholden to the Bush administration, obviously there were some Democrats on there. But the people in charge, the people who were issuing and writing the reports and saying "let's look at this evidence and let's not look at this evidence," were people who reported to Karl."

Another caller, at about 50:15, asks: "To the degree, as was pointed out, the 9-11 Commission was basically answering to Karl Rove, doesn't that, again, cause us to want to look more deeply at what the hell were they covering up?"

Moore responds: "Well it certainly should. I want to know. You know, I don't buy into the conspiracy theories obviously and I don't think most folks do. But the more the 9-11 Commission covers up and redacts information about Saudi Arabia and the money for these terrorist groups and saying it's going to harm our relationship with an important ally, the more that the 9-11 Commission covers up, just as the more people the Warren Commission failed to interview in the Kennedy assassination, the more it gives life to conspiracy theory and urban myth. And ultimately the truth can come up and whack us upside the head and we don't believe it anymore. So, you know the 9-11 Commission is doing America a great disservice. If there is anything that has sustained our democracy, it's been the fact that we hang our dirty laundry out in the air for everybody to see and then we decide that it's dirty and we go clean it. And we're not doing that in this process."

Then Ian Masters says: "Well it's a no-brainer to say that the 9-11 Commission failed. I think everybody knows that And including the two heads of the 9-11 Commission- they came out subsequent to its publication and said "we were lied to by the Department of Defense and by the FAA" and that the full story's not being told. So, I mean to take that obvious point and then to turn that into that it was, you know, all that other stuff they talk about is just surreal."

What is really surreal that these two supposed intellectuals, who have probably not even looked at the full array of facts about the most crucial event of the 21st century, cling to their state-sponsored myth about OBL+KSM+19 while breezily admitting the true story is being covered up, potentially in a treasonous manner. What then do you think IS being covered up Mr. Masters? Incompetence? Pakistani funding of the hijackers? Is that why the two Israeli operatives caught at the Mexican Parliament with Glock 9mm's, grenades and other explosives, had Pakistani passports. Silly Pakistanis, imitating Israelis again while attempting to frame themselves.

Again, see:
Speaking with Michael Medved about 10/10, 9/11 and the Involvement of the Deep Israeli State
and
Medved hypocritically blind to Israeli false-flag terrorism: Says 10-10-01 terror attempt is "bogus story," "never happened"

I'm starting to get tired of pussyfooting around the question of cover-up and new investigations. I'm going to start laying it out as I see it with facts that back it up. To me, it looks like 9-11 was a false-flag psyop sponsored by treasonous criminals in the US government, operationally conducted by Israeli covert operatives. And I'm going to just start saying it and seeing how people react on the radio and in some truthsquads.

Obviously, Mr. Masters, and most of his guests, still need schooling on the facts of 9-11- you know, those stubborn things. It is usually a pretty good show that Masters hosts on Sunday morning on KPFK ( www.kpfk.org ) from 11am-1pm PST (818-985-5735). He ordinarily takes calls towards the last half of the second hour "Live from the Left Coast." Remind him that, as Aldous Huxley remarked, "facts don't cease to exist because they are ignored."

You can also go hear the rest of the taped dialogue with Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, played on last week's show, where I was able finally, after Masters interrupted me, to ask him this question about supporting a new 9-11 Commission:

Interestingly, and I'm no conspiracy theorist you know, my question was one of two that were unluckily cut out because of sound problems. Honestly though, I heard the recording beginning to skip. Listen to the end where Wilkerson identifies 6 people who he thinks can be prosecuted, including John Yoo, David Addington and Douglas Feith. Interesting that he completely leaves out the P and VP. Treason, as I have said before, is so like whatever these days in DC huh?!

http://www.ianmasters.org/left_coast.html - March 24th with Colonel Wilkerson

Psst... Be careful what you say about Israeli's

You Said: "To me, it looks like 9-11 was a false-flag psyop sponsored by treasonous criminals in the US government, operationally conducted by Israeli covert operatives."

I agree, but please take note:

(Israel, Ministry of Public Security ,Posting 24/2/08)

The Israel Police hosted last week a delegation of 20 people sent by JINSA (The Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs), headed by the Director of the US Marshals Service, John Clark.

JINSA has been active for many years in explaining the need for a prudent national security policy for the United States, addressing the security requirements for both the United States and Israel, and strengthening the strategic cooperation relationship between the two democracies.

Director Clark concluded the meeting by thanking Minister Dicter for his hospitality and promised to continue strengthening and promoting the cooperation between the agencies.

Also this...

American Secretary of Homeland Security visits Israel

Posted 30/4/2008
The American Secretary of Homeland Security, Michael Chertoff, was on an official visit to Israel from the 27th to the 29th of March, as the guest of the Ministry of Public Security, Avi Dicter. Secretary Chertoff was accompanied by his wife and senior officials of his office.

The aim of the visit was to promote the operational and technological cooperation of the State of Israel and the American Department of Homeland Security in the area of homeland security.

lesage - many, if not most, of us are FULLY COMMITTED

and won't let some potential threat of being thrown into a black hole keep us from fighting against the known reality of being made slaves and/or being thrown into a black hole, or blown up in another false flag event.

Ya dig?

(rhetorical question)

I will say that I am very careful about naming names without having near irrefutable evidence. The already known facts are overwhelming enough to make the case.

I hope that you and yours are well.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

Right On LeftWright !

This is no laughing matter...

Port Authority & WTC Nexis

Looking at all the individuals, whether as lease holders or in positions high up in the Port Authority the possibilty of this being operationally an Israeli Intel Op is definitely there. Strong supporters of the LIkud end of the political spectrum are found in positions of power and access in relation to the WTC complex.

Israeli Intel involvement may or may not be true, but it should be a part of any rational discussion and investigation.

Bush's Brain

rent it - I found it at Blockbuster awhile back

Also this...

Canada and Israel have signed a far-reaching public security cooperation agreement.

The agreement, described as a "Partnership", involves a "Declaration of Intent" by the two governments. The Declaration was signed in Tel Aviv on March 23:

"Today, the Honourable Stockwell Day, Minister of Public Safety Canada and Avi Dicter, Minister of Public Security of the Government of the State of Israel, signed a Declaration of Intent to enhance cooperation in the area of public safety.

“The Government of Canada is committed to enhancing the security of Canadians – both through our actions at home and with our international partners.” said Minister Day. “Today’s declaration demonstrates the longstanding cooperation between Canada and Israel on public safety issues, and we welcome this increased cooperation in order to improve our countries’ capacity to protect our citizens.”

This declaration will allow Canada and Israel to better enhance cooperation in the areas of organized crime, emergency management, crime prevention, and other related public safety concerns. The declaration seeks to establish a more structured framework for the continued cooperation on public safety issues between Canada and Israel.

“The Declaration of Intent is an opportunity for Canada and Israel to strengthen their commitment to safeguarding their citizens and respective national interests from common threats,” said Minister Dicter." ( http://www.ps-sp.gc.ca/app_support/xml/ps_news_e.xml)

Above from: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8530

Mainstream Left/Liberals And 9/11

It is important, in my view, that we see that many of those people that should be open to facts about the events of 9/11, Liberals and Progressives, are in a form of denial.

Someone like James Moore, who has done great work in investigating Bush's history, knows that being identified as a "9/11 conspiracist" hurts his chances getting on the big cable news/pundit shows.

In the mainstream media 9/11 Truthers" are seen as juvenile, foaming at the mouth crazies, so who wants to be indentified with "that group"?

Those of us who want see a real investigation happen need to be more discerning regarding what actions actually help 9/11 Truth and what actions continue to marginalize us. Dialogue and respectful education will get us futher along than "truth squading".

To the unaware person, seeing a video of a "truth squad" confrontation, they just see someone being argumentative and haranguing a public figure. Their response is likely to be "what a jerk", and have a negative opinion of the 9/11 truth movement.

People like Richard Gage and Prof. Steven Jones, who are doing exceptional work, are who I want to be indentified with in the 9/11 truth movement, not some people confronting someone on a sidewalk and demanding answers. I understand the frustration many people have as to the slow movement of acceptance, but rational dialogue and maturity are going to get us there quicker than being passionate jerks.

A few months ago . . . maybe yes

it is the label conspiracist that must be defeated . . . and for that we need Mr. Moore and others to go public now . . . the British Press is reporting that Petraeus wants to strike Iran . . . they need a pretext to do this . . . god help us if we don't stop this now.

Average person sees truth squad . . . it upsets them . . . but they remember it . . . and later they hear it again . . . and maybe just maybe they come to their senses . .

No time to be subtle.

My two cents

Thank you for everything you're doing, Shumonik.

"I'm starting to get tired of pussyfooting around the question of cover-up and new investigations. I'm going to start laying it out as I see it with facts that back it up. To me, it looks like 9-11 was a false-flag psyop sponsored by treasonous criminals in the US government, operationally conducted by Israeli covert operatives."

We need more Jews to stop pussyfooting around the 800# Gorilla in the room & start asking questions regarding the '5 dancing Israeli's', Urban Moving, and the other 200 or so Mossad operatives who were rounded up after 9/11.

I've been called everything from an anti-Semite to neo-Nazi for daring to question the Israeli involvement in 9/11. All while said name-callers saw no hypocrisy in continuing to promote the "Islamofascist" propaganda.

"by way of deception, thou shalt do war" - Mossad motto.

Shumonik...

I sent you an email, did you get it?

Labeling Conspiracy Theory.

We all need to pick up the title "conspiracy theory" and wear it as a badge of honor. When people like Bill Maher or Jim Moore say things like.. or throw it around as a put down, insult, or derogatory label.. We need to respond..

Moore responds: "Well it certainly should. I want to know. You know, I don't buy into the conspiracy theories obviously and I don't think most folks do."

Your god damn right I'm a conspiracy theorist. I'm proud to look into things. I'm proud to seek the truth. In effect saying however each individual want to express it, that we are not going to wilt away in the face of being labeled a nut or a conspiracy theorist. That put down will no longer work. We aren't ashamed of it!!!

Just like they did with Liberals. They made people ashamed and afraid to be considered a "Liberal" We have to reverse that curse. Frame our minds into a new independent mindset that isn't dictated upon by the prevailing mores of the culture. George Lakoff talked a bit about it, but its something we can all accomplish.

While it's still pussy-footing

I'd also say that the reason these guys keep putting up the disclaimer that they're not conspiracy theorists before explaining that they think the 9/11 Commission was full of BS, is because they're closet truthers. That said, in time, I think they'll come around to openly accepting our view. I just hope by then it's not too late. :(

BTW, I've seen the great documentary "Bush's Brain". It came out around the time Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" did and is actually at times a real tear jerker. Pay close attention to the main theme song -- most especially the lyrics.

Conspiracist...a nuanced definition..

It seems to me that in world history, the only difference in folks who are either "conspiracy theorists" or "insightful patriots" often ends up being a matter of "consensus".

Since over 80% of people in the USofA now think that the government was covering up their role, or the truth behind the JFK assassination and distrust The Warren Commission Report, there now is a deeper respect and "listening to" of thse old JFK conspiracy theorists" that dug in their heels and just said "NO"...I'm not buying this lying crap.

I was in a car outside the Melsrose High School in Melrose, MA when JFK was offed...

I was in Rockport, MA listening to NPR and then turning around to grab some TV when the 9/11 attacks happened.

There are far more folks out there that will come to see and know what we see and know...and we are THREE DECADES ahead of the JFK thing.

People are good, lets treat them nice, lets give them some of our viral stuff, and lets have it "infect their minds"...and somewhere down the road we will be looked at very favorably...and they will be with us...

So, lets not get mad at the uninformed...lets just continue to figure out creative ways to inform them ...politely...

Robin Hordon

Well said, Mr. Hordon!

(again!)

What materials have you found to be especially effective?

Have you created custom materials that you can share?

There is nothing I enjoy more than doing CI everywhere I go. I try to do at least a little every day.

We first met last May at the DRG event at Town Hall, I work with Ken and hummux. I believe I saw you in Santa Cruz at the media conference, yes?

I hope that you and yours are well and look forward to getting back to my beloved Seattle soon.

Keep up all your great work!

Cheers!

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

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