WeAreCHANGE activists physically assaulted at Ground Zero

(EDIT: See also Prison Planet coverage: "We Are Change To Release Assault Videos" - Tuesday, April 22, 2008

Luke Rudkowski is reporting that WeAreChange activists are being verbally and physically assaulted when they go down to Ground Zero to engage in peaceful activism;

"After the Time Square Bombing that took place at the very place that WeAreCHANGE does their street actions each Saturday night, Nico [Haupt] came out to our Ground Zero Vigil with a huge sign saying “We Did The Time Square Bombing.” Nico tried to associate us with the terrorists who committed a horrendous and cowardly act on this city of New York. He continued for weeks with the police department ignoring him, and decided to raise his efforts in trying to destroy our message of peace and truth..."

Apparently, we don't need to worry as much about Geraldo Rivera, who said on FOX and Friends, on March 7, 2008, "I think that this bomber isn't Al Qaeda, isn't anything like that... He's more like those '9/11 was an inside job' kind of guys...". Rather, we have to be concerned about people generating videos that attempt to tie 9/11 Truth to violent acts, and then proceed to commit acts of violence against 9/11 Truth activists like WeAreCHANGE.

It's strange how once seemingly rational individuals seem to metamorph into extreme proponents of theories that are by and large rejected by a majority of 9/11 researchers and activists. Although you would never know this by visiting YouTube, where a disproportionate number of YouTube users generate an endless stream of absurdities that reflect most unfavorably upon 9/11 researchers in general.

A majority of users at this site have taken deep offense to the proponents of "TV Fakery", and now that the leading proponent of this rejected theory has apparently taken to committing intimidating acts of violence to gain attention, those who have embraced "TV Fakery", (and the associated branching theories), now find themselves keeping some very questionable company indeed. The decision I made as editor of this site to not tolerate "TV Fakery" was driven by the user base opinion of this site, expressed in comments and down-votes.

It doesn't surprise me a great deal to see that absurd theories like "TV Fakery" seem to be prime vehicles for disruption and division within the 9/11 Truth community. Website editors and administrators of 9/11-related communities will all have to deal with this in their own ways.

Ignoring it has failed.

i hope

the People are getting cretins like Nico on camera and clearly separating themselves from him.

Anyone want to bet a declining dollar Feds were around trying to catch shots that make it seem like Nico's one of them?

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Is Haupt Really Implicating Truthers In The Times Square Event?

The common link between those who attack Prof. Jones' solid work and those who implicate Truthers in the Times Square event, is that both also advocate the 'No Planes' nonsense.

In fact, the attacks upon Jones were nearly simultaneous to the time that the same attackers began peddling the 'No Planes' and 'Space Weapons' junk.

Another prominent 'No Planer' was appointed to the Dept. of Labor during Bush's first term and also was hired at Texas A&M at a time when the current Secretary of Defense and ex-CIA director was president there.

Attacking Jones, peddling the crazy-like-a-fox 'No Planes' junk and implicating Truthers in terrorist activity are potentially potent campaigns that have apparently been well considered by those with more sophistication than Haupt.

AJ covered this situation on his 4/8/08 show...

and he does a pretty mean Nico impression

Alex Jones takes a call from a 9/11 "No-Planer"

part 1:


part 2:


Even more noteworthy, I think, he identifies "Mark Roberts"

as an intelligence asset. Not by name, of course, but the implication is unmistakable.

This comes as no surprise to me.

Where is Mr. "Roberts" these days anyway? I was really hoping to meet him when I make it out to NYC.

Let's hope that Mr. Haupt has finally crossed the line and will do some time (or get deported).

Violence is NOT the answer.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

Who is this Nico Haupt?

Who is this Nico Haupt and what does he look like?

With you in the struggle,

Who is Nico Haupt

I am on his mailing list and I cannot get off of it. I have reported him as Spam, and have reqested to him in vain to get take me off of it as well.


I was, too. It was

I was, too. It was annoying, to say the least . . . I ended up blocking his email address (and the others) via my AOL email settings . . . .

there's a much better pic somewhere

part of a blog post somewhere- it probly showed up here, but Nico Haupt gets 260 hits on 911Blogger search.

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Today I was informed of Nico Haupt's actions against members of We Are Change by Jon Gold. After listening to what this man did, I also read it on the We Are Change web site. As disheartening and disturbing as this man and his actions are, I am positive Luke and everyone at CHANGE handled themselves in a professional manner. And let me say to Nico Haupt or anyone thinking of attacking my friends. An attack on them is like an attack on me. I will not tolerate him, anyone or any organization attacking my friends. The very group of young Americans who have continued to help 9/11 responders over and over again. As a peaceful organization the FGF does not believe in violence nor condones it, but if provoked will be there to protect it's sister organization in a heart beat.

John Feal

Why isn't Dick Cheney in prison?

It's true

I, in my delusion of rationality, thought we could talk our way with these people. That's not the case. It does show how desperate they're getting though.

True, there is absolutely no

True, there is absolutely no reasoning with Nico & pals, I've been debating/fighting with them pointlessly for over a year, they simply do not care or even want to listen. They're a disgusting cancerous scourge.

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Hi C911 - Once again, I

Hi C911 -

Once again, I agree with you . . . I'm somewhat surprised to see how this has been voted down . . . but maybe I shouldn't be, since it shows how these deep gov't sponsored programs work (to persuade people).

Or Nico's having a mental breakdown (or both - if deliberately triggered by outside forces).

I guess I've fallen down the rabbit hole and can't get up (out). : )


"We only see what we know."
-- Johan Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832


Our battle is in the Court of Public Opinion.

Global Public Opinion of Historical Proportions.

With huge ramifications.

So how we conduct ourselves is going to make an Significant Difference.

The Msg and the Method. Equally Impt.

Our Relationship with Mainstream America and how they Perceive us is Important.

Perception is as Important as Reality.

WAC NYC has some very mature heads. Luke and Tom Fotti are cool and level headed people and we have to make sure we further support their strategy for Non-Violence, Building rapport with the NYPD etc and grassroots 911 Truth Activism.

Obviously someone is worried about their success so they have manipulated a degenerate who may have his own personal agenda to attack and smear them as well as the movement.

We have to keep winning Hearts and Minds and setting a good example in dealing with foul mouth crazies like Nico (who I still think needs rehab for his own good) is important.

How we react is going to demonstrate whether we are made of the Right Stuff.

Its a test. And we have good people on the ground. Lets support them in their efforts to deal with issues and pests / distractions like Haupt.

I guess "higher ups" like Giuliani,McCain, the Clintons are not too happy being confronted by WAC and may be trying to get even.

This is a Problem. It is also an Opportunity.

Lets WIN in the Court of Public Opinion.

The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it


C911, these are very good posts. The one that got voted down is a very good post, IMO. Thanks. I will bookmark these, and refer to them every now and then.

I think perhaps the reason

I think perhaps the reason that people have voted this down is because ideas of "spirituality" are commonly understood to be "subjective" and most of the folks active on this site put a lot of time and energy into the "objective" aspects of truth-seeking.

Some people (such as myself) believe that there are other truths that do not lend themselves to the scientific method. Science can answer questions about the processes of the physical universe. It cannot answer the simple question, "Why does any of it exist in the first place?"

I think that there is a deep spiritual dimension to a study of Empire and shadow politics. David Ray Griffin addresses some of these issues in his book, "Christian Faith and the Truth about 9/11". I would love to discuss these ideas with folks who have an interest in it. If I was in internet wiz kid, I'd set up a special website where these ideas could be discussed.

"I think that there is a

"I think that there is a deep spiritual dimension to a study of Empire and shadow politics"


The old boys network from the Order of Death - Skull and Bones, the Bohemian Grove who ARE NOT just frat boys having a "good time" would also have to agree.

By their very actions.

Some of us do not believe in the spiritual dimension.

But a number of our "e$teemed leader$" apparently do.

Many "Chri$tian" leaders are actually dabbling in the Occult and are very very different from the public personae of good conservatives.

Hence the peodophilia etc. The mass murders. The lies. The cynicism.

Hence the "endorsement" of George W. Bush by many "Con$ervative Chri$tian Leader$".

You can tell a Tree by its FRUIT.

And the FRUITCAKE Presidents and the Secretary of Defenses by the yardstrick of Constitutional History and Common Sense.

An interesting read for informative purposes.

Nevertheless, I more than welcome critique of any sort.

Objective analysis is important as we have to prove our case from the scientific / engineering point of view.

Spiritual aspects are certainly subjective and that should be the case.

Precisely why we must agree to disagree.

One can preach but can one walk the talk?

Certainly applies to myself too.

Dr Griffin is right on on on his analysis about Christian Faith and the Truth about 911.

Perhaps others can consider blogging on this, on occassion, to facilitate discussion and review.

It may even benefit the skeptics.
The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it

The "spiritual" dimension

Everyone believes in the non-material world, because everyone thinks - and thoughts are non-material. Everyone wants to be happy, satisfied, fulfilled etc. -- and these are non-material states of mind, which we attempt to bring about by manipulating the material world (doing things - like baking a cake or me typing this - for example).

We who realize that the official conspiracy theory is a myth are subject to feeling outrage, depression, and we are subject to thoughts like "seeking justice," and perhaps lower thoughts of revenge or wishing ill would befall others. Our spiritual struggle to stay positive must go hand-in-hand with our material world struggles.

Anyway - whether or not one labels thoughts, feelings, desires, fears etc. as "spiritual" or not - these "non-things" make up a large portion of our conscious experience of Life.

I could go on and on about this - but I will lose everyone's interest - so I'll stop. My only point is that the non-material aspects of Life are front and center whether we realize it or not.

Personally, I have a great deal of interest in the spiritual dimension, but I only feel inspired by those spiritual beings who manifest love and compassion and teach in the light of day in the "village square."

I have no interest at all in the "spiritual teachings" of those who operate in secret.

The hocus pocus of the dark side is boring - even if it "works" -- or especially if it "works."


I agree.

We need to know however to at least to identify these dark elements especially when they masquerade as the "Good Side".

I have a specific aversion to "Fake Chri$tian Con$ervatives" who are deep into some of these dark Order of Death Occultism crap.

Yeech indeed.

Better to stick to the Light of Truth.

The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it

"Ignoring it has failed."

"Ignoring it has failed."

It's hard to ignore physical violence and death threats.

Thanks for taking a more active policy against this stuff. The site has benefited in my opinion.

"9/11 Truth and Division: Disinformation, Agent Provocateurs, and False Adversaries

In the 1950’s, the ancient strategy of divide and conquer was continued in COINTELPRO, “an acronym for a series of FBI counterintelligence programs designed to neutralize political dissidents.”[5] FBI director J. Edgar Hoover, in a letter entitled Disruption of the New Left explained that activist groups would be neutralized through various means including “the instigating of or the taking advantage of personal conflicts or animosities existing between New Left leaders… hostility should be exploited wherever possible…”[6] According to Brian Glick, this would be partly achieved through infiltration, “[agents] and informers did not merely spy on political activists. Their main purpose was to discredit and disrupt… set up pseudo movement groups run by government agents.”[7]

Does this happen in the 9/11 truth movement? From historical examples and COINTELPRO, the possibility cannot be ruled out that these tactics would be used against current day activists. Having this problem in mind, Barrie Zwicker commented about possible disinformation and infiltration within the 9/11 truth movement:

“What’s needed is politically relevant education. Education about agents of all kinds, especially agents provocateurs, their history, who employs them, their tactics… While educating ourselves and others we can simultaneously actively combat agents of the state by refraining from engaging in the types of behaviour they employ to sow dissention: name-calling, rumour-mongering, insinuation. Especially specific name-calling. Refraining from this does not stifle vigorous discussion and debate, based on observable facts, statements and patterns. Education drains the swamp. Most of [the] agents will stand out. It’s happening already. Other agents are deeper. Understanding their purposes and identifying them and dealing with them depends on more education yet.”[8]

What is an agent provocateur?

According to Wikipedia:

“An agent provocateur (plural: agents provocateurs, French for "inciting agent") is a person who secretly disrupts a group's activities from within the group. Agents provocateurs typically represent the interests of another group, or are agents directly assigned to provoke unrest, violence, debate, or argument by or within a group while acting as a member of the group.”"
Arabesque: 911 Truth

Show "Nico gives us no-planers a bad name" by aayers

"Nico gives us no-planers a

"Nico gives us no-planers a bad name" - no you give yourself a bad name by supporting patent and offensive absurdities like "no planes hit the WTC". The disinfo campaign has failed by the way.

Of course there were planes - but there were no buildings

The buildings were holograms.

(Does this get me off the FEMA camp list?)

No Planes? Perhaps There Were No Televisions

As Michael Moore asked: "Was it all just a bad dream?"

The Controlled demolitions were CG too.

The controlled demolitions were CG too.

But as for the 9/11 truth fakery? That's pretty transparent.
Arabesque: 911 Truth

"No Televisions"?

That's disinfo--to distract from the fact there were "no buildings". Or people. All the witnesses were holograms too.

On a serious note, I thought Nico was emailing me rubbish, but turns out it's a different no planes stalker:


So hard to keep them straight....

I wish there were

no President Bushes and Dick Cheneys.

And Neo-Cons for that matter.

But seriously, the Real Problem is No Common Sense.

When we don't have CS we will fall for all kinds of BS.
The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it

^ Caught those s.o.b's

^ Caught those s.o.b's faking the Towers right there! Anyone who’s going to deny it just can’t handle the idea that those Towers were PLANETED folks! It just defies the laws of physics to think otherwise. Obviously they wouldn’t just collapse without any resistance. I mean a plane hitting the Towers with little resistance because it’s travelling at 500mph, with wings full of jetfuel making it like a battering ram at that velocity, crashing into buildings designed to absorb exactly such an impact is one thing. Clearly the planes were faked to, but the faked buildings is what its all about! I know all the “lielings” and "reality huggers" will come here talk trash, make easy arguments that I’ve got no reply to, but they can all just go slush their drivel, who cares about facts when your dealing with such a serious subject as 9/11?


I thought you people were just misguided fools but it now appears that you truly are being employed to discredit and attacks us - the sane people who want to improve America.

However, I won't lower myself to your level and will remain professional at every step of the way. My question to the community is "How do we work together to prevent this insanity from spreading?"

good question

one that deserves study.

However- I think we are!

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i had entertained notions of the 'no planes" theory after watching a video supporting the idea. This article helped convince me that the no plane theory is untrue. http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200610/Salter.pdf

Even if the theory were true, the behavior of these so called activists is unacceptable. They are provocateurs by definition. If they are getting paid, they are agent provocateurs. The behavior of "activists" supporting violence against other 911 Truth activists should be viewed as originating from the opposition.

Submitted by aayers on Mon, 10/22/2007 - 9:42pm.

Here's Nico appearing to go nuts on a train:

Is this behaviour actually nuts though or is an intentional attempt to do damage?

It looks like he is probably high on drugs

and is being "handled" or manipulated by someone to smear 911 Truth in public by the crazy psychological outbursts.

As I was trying to point out in my previous post, psychological breakdown (most likely) with manipulation by handlers who are setting him up to go on a collision course with Genuine 911 Truthers.

There is a lot of anger, hatred and bitterness in his voice and it seems to me at the very least he needs to get some counselling.

People in the Truth Movement who come into contact with him should handle him with maturity.

No doubt whoever / whatever is egging him on, his past bitterness, Co-Intel funding / instruction, drugs or alchol perhaps is going to make more ugly scenes and provide more material for the MSM to use AGAINST the Movement.

We should be careful, don't take the bait to hit back even verbally.

No point arguing with fools. Or nuts.

Even if it is contrived or Co-Intel Pro.

Recommend that he get psychological treatment and by showing maturity, and love we can Earn the respect of the Communities around us as peace-loving, responsible and mature activists who can keep their cool even in the heat of circumstances with the crazies such as Nico who curse and swear to get the message across.

Impt lesson for all of us.

How we present ourselves is just as impt as WHAT WE SAY.

Nico's foul mouth is a fine example of how the Truth Movement can get into bad repute.

I know this will be unpopular to say, nevertheless someone has to say it, AJ in his 4th hour broadcasts also now has started using Foul Language.

Note: This has global reach.

Not a good example to set for the rest of us in the movement and can be exploited by the MSM.

Note: When was the last time we heard FOUL LANGUAGE from Congress & the White-House?
At least publicly?

There are reports of Bush using foul tirades when under stress but at kleast it is never broadcast.

Some of our Patriot Radio activists are now broadcasting an image that will help propogate the type of personae that the Nico Haupts of Co-Intel Pro will want to capitalize on.

My views on this will be unpopular by those who belief we can curse and swear due to 1st Amendment rights.

Yes. Of course.

But look at credibility, public image, reach.

If we want future generations of Young Americans to listen to us, do we want to set the type of example where cursing on air even on the Internet is effectively encouraged.

No matter what the provocation.

When we lose our cool.

They win.

They want us to hit back.

Its called provocation. Psychological warfare.

We should remain. Cool. Calm. Mature.

Fight the battle with dignity, take them to court if it is necessary, use the COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION AGAINST THEM.



This is a LONG LONG WAR. If anything this are tests of our endurance.

Sorry, but no shortcuts and we can expect more degenerates like Nico to pop up.


That's all I am trying to say.

Like it or not.

The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it

Watching from afar Nico's

Watching from afar Nico's descent into whatever hell he's in, I think there's something else going on . . . . This would not be unlike what the CIA or other factions have done in the past to disrupt activist organizations. Taking someone who's a lightning rod of sorts already, and making it worse so that all of those within a movement turn on him, doing the dirty work for those that created the problem to begin with, or enhanced it.

They create a problem (War on Terror, 9/11) to further an agenda, then either "solve" it themselves (invading Iraq) or create a situation using the obvious chaos that will result (invading a sovereign nation like Iraq under false pretenses; no exit strategy since never a plan to exit as evidenced by the building of 14 permanent military bases and a gargantuan US embassy 2/3's the size of the Washington Mall, also equivilent to the size of 80 football fields), so that the situation can take care of it self . . . (Shia and Sunnis killing each other) . . . .

Call me crazy, but isn't there a classic pattern (or program) here? Of course someone like Nico would be a target. Someone, a friend, needs to take him away and detox him if possible . . .


"Fool us once, ah, er shame on me . . . fool us twice, ah, we can't get fooled again!"
-- GWB


This is precisely what I was trying to say in my unpopular and possibly misunderstand previous post.

Classic case of psychological meltdown


Respect everyone's viewpoints and criticism is always healthy.

Nico looks like he needs help and is under some type of mind control / drug program of some sort.

He may be a patsy to smear or set the Truth Movement up for further attacks or frame ups.


Best way to do that is also to keep OUR PRIVATE LIVES on track. Probably not all will accept this.
Credibility and Character are some of the most important assets we will ever have and it should never be compromised.

Detoxing Nico and bad elements such as these in the future is probably something new and perhaps unacceptable to some or even many in the Truth movement.

Is everyone who is nuts or had psychological breakdowns Co-Intel?
Are we going to attack them and lose focus on the Real Threat in the International Military Complex?
Allow these nuts to be used by the MSM to further willify and discredit us?
Allow our emotions to be carried away so we take the bait of this nuts who most likely are drugged up and start speaking their language of hate speech and verbal attacks?

Or can we Show Love and Be the Change We Want to See in the World?

Tough questions.

Ghandhi and MLK showed the way. We can learn from the shining examples they set. They probably had "Co-Intel Pro" of their own kind to deal with in their day.


The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it

Yes to all. "Ghandhi and MLK

Yes to all.

"Ghandhi and MLK showed the way. We can learn from the shining examples they set. They probably had 'Co-Intel Pro' of their own kind to deal with in their day."

Yes. Are you familiar with Satyagraha? I try to embrace this . . .

And check out its "launch" date in 1906. It blew me away . . . http://www.democracynow.org/2006/9/8/satyagraha_100_years_later_gandhi_l...


Yes.Satyagraha is a poweful message indeed.

From Ghandhi to Martin Luther King to Nelson Mandela this message has been realized.

There are great gems of Truth in all the major religions.

"James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. "

Sometimes Industrial Religion tends to forget that.

The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it

It was launched on 9/11 1906

It was launched on 9/11 1906 though, and it actually translates to "to obtain or apply truth" - it's unbelievably perfect for the 9/11 Truth Movement to associate with and adopt!! Gandhi’s Movement was the original 9/11 Truth Movement in terms of the date and meaning of fighting with Truth and Peace as weapons! Why have we not declared or even realised this yet! We are literally Ghandi’s Movement if you think about it!! It’s perfect PR and an amazing fact.

"It’s perfect PR and an amazing fact."


Geraldo Rivera will havea fit.

The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it


Once promoted that I am a pedophile.

Why isn't Dick Cheney in prison?

Something Big

The attacks against 9/11 truth have been escalating tremendously as of late. I am willing to bet that something big is happening - someone from high up may be coming public or we are very near the tipping point.

I am not afraid though and neither should you. Our numbers have grown to the point where they can't physically damage us. The only way that Bush can delay this one is by holding America hostage under the threat of nuclear annihilation and even then, he will likely be betrayed by one in his circle.


The undercurrents are strong.

All the more reason for our efforts to be more Cohesive, Build more Popular Support and move from the Paradigm of "Conspiracy Theorists" to Genuine Patriots Dealing with Counter Terrorism.

911 Truth IS Counter-Terrorism.


The neo-cons have far more to fear than us.

The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it

This is important information.

We have to win in the Court of Public Opinion before all of these ever gets to the Judicial Courts.

Since Nico seems so hardcore for whatever reason to keep attacking prominent members of the 911 Truth Movement in a vulgar and insane manner I strongly recommend we come up with a SANE strategy to deal in a CALM, RATIONAL and NON-VIOLENT WAY (that is UNEXPLOITABLE) to EXPOSE,SHAME AND DISCOURAGE THEM PERMANENTLY FROM PURSUING SUCH COURSE OF ACTION IN THE FUTURE.

He may be symptomatic of more attacks like this in the future to make us look like kooks or crazies.

A puppet controlled or handled by dangerous puppet masters.

Let's be willing to address this issue in a serious way.

Perhaps future symposiums may have to allocate some time to deal with "Crazies" in the 911 Truth Movement, Co-Intel Pro strategies and how to detect and eliminate or at least Contain / EXPOSE them.

We also need to work out a better way to Project a Better Public Image so 911 Truthers are SEEN as GENUINE PATRIOTS who are seeking the cause of True Freedom,Truth, Justice, Rule of Law, Constitutional Govt etc.

Any attempts to smear us with labels such as "anarchism" (as traditionally understood sorry Danse) or violent kooks / crazies has to be MET WITH RATIONAL, CLEAR MINDED DISCOURSE AND DIALOGUE THAT SEEKS TO EDUCATE THE MASSES and NOT shove Truth down their throat.

We have been making MASSIVE WAVES especially in major cities like NYC, LA, San Diego etc.

Also in a certain Diet in Tokyo Japan.

Years ago Luke was spat on, attacked verbally and physically for holding signs about 911 Truth at Ground Zero.

Now they get smiles, encouragement and support from many even those in the NYPD.

Slowly and surely the seeds sown are being harvested.

Lets not let ANYONE steal this Victory.

The MSM machinery is just waiting, salivating for a chance to get back at us.

With people like Jesse Ventura, Willie Nelson etc speaking Loud and Clear for 911 Truth, we should be on the Positive Offensive.


For Truth and Justice.

So lets Win It.

The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it

I think Betsy is close to the truth....

...about Nico! It seems clear, Haupt has a real bad addiction? My impression, he appears to need detox? It's a tailspin!

Maybe, there are other forces driving him down? I don't know?

I also tend to believe, he does show brilliance but is devoid of any saving balance or grace. He's a perfect candidate for the role many of the posts here are suggesting for him. I cannot disagree.

...don't believe them!

IMO, Nico Haupt is some sort of COINTELPRO agent who is

hell bent on discrediting the 9/11 truth movement. His current tactics include acting like a fool & creating a circus-like atmosphere.

I would disassociate from him as much as possible.

Consider mass emailing truth messages. More info here: http://www.911blogger.com/node/13321

A silly question for the NYPD:

If someone stands in public with a sign that says "We did the Times Square Bombing", then isn't that a public admission of guilt, at least on the sign holders part, and shouldn't you take him in for questioning?

Furthermore, if he is found to be innocent of the crime, but is clearly mentally unstable and poses a risk to himself and/or others, aren't you obligated to have him evaluated in a psychiatric facility?

I trust that someone from WAC NY has or will ask these questions.

While I have not yet met Mr. Haupt in person, people I know that have are fairly certain that he has simply gone from being brilliant to insane and that he needs help. That said, it is always effect and not intention that we have to be concerned about.

My guess is that there is a very nice room in a German sanitarium waiting for him, I hope he makes good use of it soon.

The truth does not rise or fall with one person. Let's keep our eyes on the prize, brothers and sisters.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

Hi LeftWright

I've been trying to stay out of this lest I be accused of defending Nico or his ideas. But please stop telling the NYPD how to do their job, and calling for someone to be arrested, committed, or deported.

You are right when you say "it is always effect and not intention that we have to be concerned about." I have the same concern from both the same and a different perspective.

But when you say that right after saying "he needs help," you are in effect saying that you want him committed to shut him up.

If someone in New York really cares about him and sincerely thinks he needs psychatric care, there are ways to try to get someone help without their consent. It's not easy, though, and it shouldn't be. This is still America. "Experience teaches us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficent.." Louis Brandeis.

"Help" usually consists of psychotropic medications:



All too often, people don't care enough unless there's money involved.


Please don't say someone needs help unless you really want to help them. No offense - I really enjoyed meeting you and respect your work and ideas. I'm just stating a principle of personal sovereignty. Also, it may not be a slippery slope from Nico to anyone who questions the approved reality, but it could be.


Your input is quite welcome, Dwightvw

I make no claim on all-knowing wisdom. I admit to being human and thus, fallible. I'm always happy to view things from different perspectives and one of my definitions of a good day is a day where I learn something new. Life is learning and I've been fortunate enough to enjoy quite a few of these good days.

We have to confront the fact that some people will work to discredit individuals and groups within the truth movement through a variety of means. It matters not if these elements are private citizens or working for some government agency, either directly or indirectly.

The question is: how do we deal with situations like the one here? How do we counter these attempts to discredit or bring disrepute to individuals and/or groups within the truth movement?

We are trying to restore the rule of law, are we not? Thus, whenever possible, I think we should avail ourselves of the law in order to protect ourselves and advance our cause in a lawful manner. Do you disagree with this approach?

Let's look at what I actually wrote:

If someone stands in public with a sign that says "We did the Times Square Bombing", then isn't that a public admission of guilt, at least on the sign holders part, and shouldn't you take him in for questioning?

Furthermore, if he is found to be innocent of the crime, but is clearly mentally unstable and poses a risk to himself and/or others, aren't you obligated to have him evaluated in a psychiatric facility?

Please note the use of the conditional.

This comes down to a question of process and I always prefer a process that minimizes the potential for violence as violence never solves anything, this includes verbal violence, btw.

I did not call for him to be arrested, I suggested that he should be separated from the group and questioned about his public admission of complicity with an illegal act. Furthermore, if he is deemed to be a danger to himself or others, what do you suggest happen?

I fully understand the issues involved with "personal sovereignty" and work to increase that sovereignty whenever possible. I have personal experience with someone improperly using the coercive power of the state to limit my "personal sovereignty". I was unjustly accused and falsely arrested many years ago, fighting this false arrest cost me $10,000 and two years of various court appearances (as well as several hours in jail) and I have yet to have this false arrest expunged (another $2,000 which I don't have). While I support the rule of law, I fully acknowledge that many of these laws are unjust and that laws are often applied unequally and with prejudice. Perfecting our laws and legal system is something we should all be concerned about, as this comes right back to our struggle to get a proper criminal investigation into the crimes of 9/11/01.

How do you suggest that situations like this one with Mr. Haupt be handled?

What if Mr. Haupt is a danger to himself and/or others and no private citizen cares enough about him to get him the help he needs, with or without his consent?

How do you think a society should deal with this situation?

I look forward to reading your thoughtful reply.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

Spot on, LW

But some people who support NPT's won't appreciate it.

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Hey, ae, how's that petition drive going?

I think that most of us who saw the video you reference were quite alarmed and it has become obvious that often the best solution to "political" differences is to form two or more groups and work on different tracks. This has happened in more than one city and will, undoubtedly, happen in others.

This movement has a lot of strong personalities (and egos) in it and that doesn't always make for the most harmonious relationships.

Why you choose to pour more energy and animosity into this is a question I think you could reflect on, yes?

On a side note, you could format your posts for easier reading, don't you think?

We've got a lot of work to do, brothers and sisters, let's keep our eyes on the prize!

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

That's total garbage because

That's total garbage because from everything I've heard Les Jameson is a control freak assh*le who sucked all the energy out of NY9/11TRUTH. Fortunately though his bs resulted in the people with real passion and commitment like Luke and the TruthMove guys leaving to form their own independent and now far more successful organisations.

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Ad hominem attacks don't help YOUR cause, ae

They may cause some to wonder what you're all about. Since I don't believe we've met, all I have to go on is what you write here.

Yes, I read Father Frank's letter and I hope everyone else has or will, as it sheds light on a situation I have seen taking place in a number of cities.

I also spoke with Les in Chandler, AZ and during his more recent trip to northern CA.

If you re-read my previous comment you might be able to discern my public opinion on the matter.

Some of us choose to be diplomatic and not throw the baby out with the bath water.

I will say that you are clearly illustrating the dysfunction between the NYC groups, is that your main purpose here?

You seem to want to draw everyone into your local turf war, the very definition of divisiveness.

In what way did I goof on the petition drive?

If you don't like my communication style you are free to not read what I write.

If you are really interested in getting people to read and respond to your concerns, then you might think about how you present them on a public forum (content and style).

It is, of course, your choice.

The truth shall set us free (some will keep arguing for argument's sake).

Love is the only way forward.

"Some of us choose to be

"Some of us choose to be diplomatic and not throw the baby out with the bath water."


Love is the only way forward. With a dash of Common Sense.

The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it


Sounds like someone could use a "vacation"...

Not cool.


Try posting something positive, would you?

In the meantime, you're in the moderation queue.


will not be side-tracked by provocateurs, naysayers, or mousepad critics. With every challenge we will only fight harder for truth, justice, and aid for the sick and dying first responders.

These are

the words of Wisdom that can last Generations.

The more we have of this, the sooner we are going to win this.

Additional note.

WE are fighting ideologies.

Ideologies like the Trotskyian- Straussian Neo-Con Agenda can only be ultimately confronted by better IDEAS.

Ideas of Liberty and Freedom. Limited Constitutional Government.

Self - Government. Personal Responsibility.

Be the Change that You Want to See in the World.


The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it

here is the video of what happened


You are Definitely Being Set Up.

They are definitely trying to Provoke you to strike 1st either verbally or physcially.

Luke keep your cool.

Your anger (even though justified) is precisely what they want to use against you in the Court of Public Opinion.

After seeing this, I am convinced Nico is Co-Intel Pro FOR SURE and so is whoever the camerawoman is.

They know Sabrina is important to you and they are trying to get to you through her.

They want to distract and make you waste time, resources and energy dealing with their provocateuring.

Its time to come with a number of strategies to beat them at their own dirty game.

Just in -


We Are Change members arrested right now

Two of our We Are Change members Matt Lepacek and Gary were arrested tonight during the Laura Bush & Jenna Bush truth squad. Gary was physically assaulted by an unknown man. That unknown man was released, but Gary is still at the precinct awaiting charges. The charges are still unknown for Matt Lepacek. This is unlawful and outrageous.

Please contact the 19th precinct and demand to let them go.

19th Precinct
153 E 67th Street
3rd & Lex, New York, NY 10065
(212) 452-0600

Disclaimer: Please when calling the precinct please be polite and courteous to the police officers. We Are Change does not advocate any threats of violence of any kind.

The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it

C911 I am a veteran of the past protests and...

the Lower East Side of NY long before it was gentrified.

I am afraid Nico is a victim of his own ego plus drugs and alcohol.

I have seen it more times than I care to recall.

I genuinely have compassion for Nico. So far I do not see cointelpro...I see a very intelligent man who feels overlooked by the movement he was instrumental in creating.

Nico you are a true original and bohemian and I salute you.

But Nico you must stop and regroup or you will be another statistic. Please take some time and get sober in mind and body.

Your contribution is appreciated. Don't die or give up! We need your help and wisdom.

Take it from a former Ave A & 2nd st resident. You are much better than this!