Open Thread

9/11 - related and not so much. What's happening in your neck of the woods? News you want to share, etc...


Jon Gold spotted with Amy Winehouse!


You don't EVEN want to play image games with me.

Why isn't Dick Cheney in prison?

Who's playing games?

This is not Photo-shopped! Are you denying that this is you?

Come on, admit it. BUSTED!

I don't have...

An earphone or a leather jacket. If the glove don't fit...

Why isn't Dick Cheney in prison?

It's the Establishment, Stupid

What's going on June 21st in D.C.?

Why isn't this being promoted more actively?

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

You're Busted Rep

Saw you on Broadway today ....tall blonde with a black "Investigate 9/11" T shirt

Dont worry , I wont blow your cover.

So Amy Winehouse was in on it, too!

How About John Lennon instead.

He may be looking over our shoulders and if we look hard enough, who knows, we may just catch a glimpse.


If there were no Bushes.


If there were no Perles.


If there were no Wolfowitzes.


If there were no NORAD Standowns.


If the Whistle Blowers could speak.


If Jet Fuel can indeed Pulverize Concrete Steel Buildings into Dust.


If the 1st Responders were 1st.


If Congress Would Impeach.


O Imagine,

If the Elections were Fair.

And we had America BACK instead of AmeriKa.


Sweet Land of Liberty.

Standing Free.

You may say I am a Dreamer.

But I'm not the Only One.

Imagine all the people knew Building 7

Sharing all the world 911 Truth.

The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it


Imagine One Dollar and Thirty Cent GAAAAAASSSSS!!!!!
Together in Truth!

Drug Prohibition, Alice in Wonderland, and the Federal Bureau of

Drug Prohibition, Alice in Wonderland, and the Federal Bureau of Prisons

"The number of people that can reason well is much smaller than those that can reason badly.

If reasoning were like hauling rocks, then several reasoners might be better than one.

But reasoning isn't like hauling rocks, it's like, it's like racing,

Last Night I Gave Col. Ann Wright a Copy of...

DRG "911 Contradictions" and several DVDs as several members of our group
impressed upon her the need to expose the "War on Terror"
as a fraud if we are ever to end the terror wars. She commented that she knew his work but didn't have "Contradictions".

We also gave DVDs to a bunch of people attending the talk and book signing including the Borders store staff and Members of The Dallas Peace Center.
She spoke earlier in the day at the University of North Texas where she had 150+ students attend. UNT is the University that had the walkout a few weeks ago at 9:11 am. I think UNT is waking up

She is listed among Patriots Question 9/11, is friends with Cindy Sheehan, Ray McGovern, and Daniel Ellsberg who wrote the introduction.

She has a new book just published titled:

DISSENT: Voices of Conscience- Government Insiders Speak Out Against the War in Iraq.

Book Description
Dissent in a Democracy profiles government officials whose loyalty to the Constitution and the American people ultimately transcended partisan politics. With careers, reputations, and personal safety on the line, they spoke out against the administration’s misdeeds and cover-ups: Craig Murray, who leaked documents revealing horrific human rights abuses by coalition ally Uzbekistan; John Brady Kiesling and other ambassadors who resigned in the run-up to war; Bunnatine Greenhouse, who blew the lid off a massive government contracting scandal; military officials like General Eric Shinseki; and many others who demonstrated the courage of their convictions. From desk jockeys to high-ranking diplomats, these patriotic men and women share one common trait: a willingness to stand up and speak truth to power. By exposing policies and actions that run counter to the best interests of the nation and its people, they elucidate why dissent is crucial to a thriving democracy.

From the Publisher
The publication date of Dissent: Voices of Conscience is January 15, 2008. It was delayed due, in part, by the lengthy process of clearance by the Department of State.

from Wikipedia:


Wright submitted her resignation letter to then U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell on March 19, 2003, the day before the onset of the U.S. invasion of Iraq. Her letter was published on the internet the following day.

In her resignation letter, Wright listed four reasons she could no longer work for the U.S. government under the Bush administration:

* The decision to invade Iraq without the blessing of the U.N. Security Council
* The "lack of effort" in the Israeli-Palestinian peace process
* The "lack of policy" in regard to North Korea
* The curtailment of civil liberties within the United States.

Wright was the third of three State Department officials to retire from service in protest in the month prior to the invasion of Iraq, the other two being Brady Kiesling and John H. Brown. Wright claims to have not known the other two, or to have even read their resignation letters at the time she submitted her own.

Peace activism

Ever since her retirement from the State Department, Wright has been a prominent figure in opposition to the occupation of Iraq. She has attended numerous conferences and given numerous lectures on her political views, and on her experiences before and after her resignation.

Wright has worked with anti-war demonstrator Cindy Sheehan on several occasions, most notably by helping organize the Camp Casey demonstration outside George W. Bush's Crawford, Texas, ranch in August 2005, and by accompanying the southern leg of the Bring Them Home Now bus tour. She also volunteered at Camp Casey 3, the Veterans For Peace shelter for Hurricane Katrina victims in Covington, Louisiana, during the bus tour.

She was also one of three witnesses called to testify at an Article 32 hearing on behalf of Lt. Ehren Watada, who on June 22, 2006 refused to deploy to Iraq, asserting that the war violates the US Constitution and international law.

Wright has willingly been arrested as part of anti-war demonstrations, the first such arrest occurring in front of the White House on September 26, 2005. Wright has said in interviews of how she does not remove her arrest bracelets, attached to her wrists upon the processing of her arrest, but rather collects them.

On October 19, 2005, Wright was escorted out of a U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing, when she shouted at speaker Condoleezza Rice, "Stop the war! Stop the killing!" Wright was uneventfully escorted out of the hearing.

Wright was one of five judges at the January 2006 sessions of the "International Commission of Inquiry On Crimes Against Humanity Committed by the Bush Administration". She was also one of three recipients of the first annual Truthout Freedom and Democracy Awards.

On April 1, 2007 Wright appeared on The O'Reilly Factor to discuss the Geneva Conventions and how they applied to Iran in its taking of 15 British hostages. The discussion grew heated, and after Wright stated that she had served 29 years in the military and asked O'Reilly how many years he served, O'Reilly cut off her microphone. [2] [3] [4]

On April 1, 2007 Wright was cited, with 38 other activists, for trespassing at the Nevada Test Site at a Nevada Desert Experience event protesting the Nevada Test Site.[1]

On April 17, 2007, Wright attended a meeting of the House Foreign Affairs subcommittee. She was ejected from the hearing room after speaking out of turn in response to comments made by Congressmember Dana Rohrabacher. [2]

On September 11, 2007, Wright was arrested and later convicted for disrupting the Senate Armed Services committee hearing at which General David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker were testifying. [3]

In 2008, koa books published Dissent, Voices of Conscience, authored by Ann Wright and Susan Dixon. The book is subtitled, "Government Insiders Speak Out Against the War in Iraq." Daniel Ellsberg wrote the foreword to the book, which says, "This is a book that should be leaked into the government."


The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it

I work at an airport and

I work at an airport and I've been handing out 911 truth CD's to everyone I meet, cab drivers, shop owners and rental car clerks. The tide is turning one person at a time.

Try and steer as many pilots as you can


They won't mind, I do it every chance I get.


The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

All QANTAS Pilots of all aircraft I depart now recieve a free...

DVD! Today I have decided that I will now permenantly carried a DVD pouch on my tool belt during Aircraft turnarounds at Sydney Airport. I have got the cost down to about 35c a shot. I have decided that a compilation of two compressed versions of 9/11 Mysteries and Terror Storm on the one DVD is best. The old one two punch.

The Tech Crews have been exposed to the ideas now for over a year with deception dollars etc and a chat, so now is the time to go all the way. Mostly they all have lap tops and time to kill at the hotel that night, bam their hooked. I list the major internet sites(AE, Patriots, Blogger TruthAction etc) on the disc and a brief overview of the movements aim; justice for the victims.

Drop a few big names(Fujita, Meacher etc) in the cockpit on the way out the door and Bob's your Uncle!

Regards John

WE GOT TO TAKE THE POWER BACK!... rage against the machine!!


The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it

Excellent article, well worth reading

even if it is from Counterpunch:

The Politics of Food is Politics


This is a subject everyone should be interested in and as informed as possible about.

Stan Goff wrote extensively for From The Wilderness and a book, Full Spectrum Disorder: The Military in the New American Century which I very much want to read (so many books, so little time).

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

God Exists and Here's the Proof

God has been proven to exist based upon the most reserved view of the known laws of physics. For much more on that, see Prof. Frank J. Tipler's below paper, which among other things demonstrates that the known laws of physics (i.e., the Second Law of Thermodynamics, general relativity, quantum mechanics, and the Standard Model of particle physics) require that the universe end in the Omega Point (the final cosmological singularity and state of infinite informational capacity identified as being God):

F. J. Tipler, "The structure of the world from pure numbers," Reports on Progress in Physics, Vol. 68, No. 4 (April 2005), pp. 897-964. Also released as "Feynman-Weinberg Quantum Gravity and the Extended Standard Model as a Theory of Everything," arXiv:0704.3276, April 24, 2007.

Out of 50 articles, Prof. Tipler's above paper was selected as one of 12 for the "Highlights of 2005" accolade as "the very best articles published in Reports on Progress in Physics in 2005 [Vol. 68]. Articles were selected by the Editorial Board for their outstanding reviews of the field. They all received the highest praise from our international referees and a high number of downloads from the journal Website." (See Richard Palmer, Publisher, "Highlights of 2005," Reports on Progress in Physics. ) Reports on Progress in Physics is the leading journal of the Institute of Physics, Britain's main professional body for physicists.

See also the below resources for further information on the Omega Point Theory:


"Omega Point (Tipler)," Wikipedia, April 16, 2008

"Frank J. Tipler," Wikipedia, April 16, 2008

Tipler is Professor of Mathematics and Physics (joint appointment) at Tulane University. His Ph.D. is in the field of global general relativity (the same rarefied field that Roger Penrose and Stephen Hawking developed), and he is also an expert in particle physics and computer science. His Omega Point Theory has been published in a number of prestigious peer-reviewed physics and science journals in addition to Reports on Progress in Physics, such as Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society (one of the world's leading astrophysics journals), Physics Letters B, the International Journal of Theoretical Physics, etc.

Prof. John A. Wheeler (the father of most relativity research in the U.S.) wrote that "Frank Tipler is widely known for important concepts and theorems in general relativity and gravitation physics" on pg. viii in the "Foreword" to The Anthropic Cosmological Principle (1986) by cosmologist Prof. John D. Barrow and Tipler, which was the first book wherein Tipler's Omega Point Theory was described.

The leading quantum physicist in the world, Prof. David Deutsch (inventor of the quantum computer, being the first person to mathematically describe the workings of such a device, and winner of the Institute of Physics' 1998 Paul Dirac Medal and Prize for his work), endorses the physics of the Omega Point Theory in his book The Fabric of Reality (1997). For that, see:

David Deutsch, extracts from Chapter 14: "The Ends of the Universe" of The Fabric of Reality: The Science of Parallel Universes--and Its Implications (London: Allen Lane The Penguin Press, 1997), ISBN: 0713990619; with additional comments by Frank J. Tipler.

The only way to avoid the Omega Point cosmology is to invent tenuous physical theories which have no experimental support and which violate the known laws of physics, such as with Prof. Stephen Hawking's paper on the black hole information issue which is dependant on the conjectured string theory-based anti-de Sitter space/conformal field theory correspondence (AdS/CFT correspondence). See S. W. Hawking, "Information loss in black holes," Physical Review D, Vol. 72, No. 8, 084013 (October 2005); also at arXiv:hep-th/0507171, July 18, 2005.

That is, Hawking's paper is based upon proposed, unconfirmed physics. It's an impressive testament to the Omega Point Theory's correctness, as Hawking implicitly confirms that the known laws of physics require the universe to collapse in finite time. Hawking realizes that the black hole information issue must be resolved without violating unitarity, yet he's forced to abandon the known laws of physics in order to avoid unitarity violation without the universe collapsing.

Some have suggested that the universe's current acceleration of its expansion obviates the universe collapsing (and therefore obviates the Omega Point). But as Profs. Lawrence M. Krauss and Michael S. Turner point out in "Geometry and Destiny" (General Relativity and Gravitation, Vol. 31, No. 10 [October 1999], pp. 1453-1459; also at arXiv:astro-ph/9904020, April 1, 1999 ), there is no set of cosmological observations which can tell us whether the universe will expand forever or eventually collapse.

There's a very good reason for that, because that is dependant on the actions of intelligent life. The known laws of physics provide the mechanism for the universe's collapse. As required by the Standard Model, the net baryon number was created in the early universe by baryogenesis via electroweak quantum tunneling. This necessarily forces the Higgs field to be in a vacuum state that is not its absolute vacuum, which is the cause of the positive cosmological constant. But if the baryons in the universe were to be annihilated by the inverse of baryogenesis, again via electroweak quantum tunneling (which is allowed in the Standard Model, as B - L is conserved), then this would force the Higgs field toward its absolute vacuum, cancelling the positive cosmological constant and thereby forcing the universe to collapse. Moreover, this process would provide the ideal form of energy resource and rocket propulsion during the colonization phase of the universe.

Prof. Tipler's above Reports on Progress in Physics paper also demonstrates that the correct quantum gravity theory has existed since 1962, first discovered by Richard Feynman in that year, and independently discovered by Steven Weinberg and Bryce DeWitt, among others. But because these physicists were looking for equations with a finite number of terms (i.e., derivatives no higher than second order), they abandoned this qualitatively unique quantum gravity theory since in order for it to be consistent it requires an arbitrarily higher number of terms. Further, they didn't realize that this proper theory of quantum gravity is consistent only with a certain set of boundary conditions imposed (which includes the initial Big Bang, and the final Omega Point, cosmological singularities). The equations for this theory of quantum gravity are term-by-term finite, but the same mechanism that forces each term in the series to be finite also forces the entire series to be infinite (i.e., infinities that would otherwise occur in spacetime, consequently destabilizing it, are transferred to the cosmological singularities, thereby preventing the universe from immediately collapsing into nonexistence). As Tipler notes in his 2007 book The Physics of Christianity (pp. 49 and 279), "It is a fundamental mathematical fact that this [infinite series] is the best that we can do. ... This is somewhat analogous to Liouville's theorem in complex analysis, which says that all analytic functions other than constants have singularities either a finite distance from the origin of coordinates or at infinity."

When combined with the Standard Model, the result is a Theory of Everything (TOE) correctly describing and unifying all the forces in physics.

"Terrorism is the health of the State."--James Redford, author of "Jesus Is an Anarchist," June 1, 2006

God is Real allright.

The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it

mathematics as a tool (to describe physics) or as beautiful art?

I’m not opposed to the existence of God. Although it might be more diffuse, existing instead in everything and everybody.

However, I don’t find a God of divine or eternal retribution to be all that satisfying.

Anyway, this notion of infinite entropy at the end-point singularity is a bit strange since it would seem to imply infinite energy…or at the very least zero temperature times infinite entropy would seem to be (mathematically) indeterminate; but then again, I’m not sure what to make of zero temperature.

Well, I suppose I’m not one of those physicists that believe singularities exist (or occur) in this (or perhaps any) universe.

Nonetheless, Tipler's paper is quite a remarkable achievement. However, (if I'm understanding correctly) the quantum theory he's building on is not yet know, that pesky old hidden variable problem.

BTW, Alexei Filippenko’s dad is a (emeritus) professor of mathematics.

Temperature Diverges to Infinity Going into the Omega Point

If one disbelieves in singularities, then one rejects the known laws of physics. For the Penrose-Hawking singularity theorem (which proved that the Big Bang started in a singularity), see S. W. Hawking and R. Penrose, "The Singularities of Gravitational Collapse and Cosmology," Proceedings of the Royal Society of London; Series A, Mathematical and Physical Sciences, Vol. 314, No. 1519 (January 27, 1970), pp. 529-548.

As the universe collapses into the final Omega Point cosmological singularity, temperature diverges to infinity (requiring life to transfer its information processes to higher energy states, eventually using elementary particles to directly compute on). And yes, gravitational shear energy diverges to infinity concurrently (which is necessary to manipulate an infinite number of bits of information, i.e., finite at any given time [within spacetime] yet diverging toward infinity, becoming infinite at the final Omega Point singularity). This is elaborated on in Prof. Frank J. Tipler's paper I cited above, i.e.:

F. J. Tipler, "The structure of the world from pure numbers," Reports on Progress in Physics, Vol. 68, No. 4 (April 2005), pp. 897-964. Also released as "Feynman-Weinberg Quantum Gravity and the Extended Standard Model as a Theory of Everything," arXiv:0704.3276, April 24, 2007.

See also the below resources for more on that:


"Omega Point (Tipler)," Wikipedia, April 16, 2008

And the Feynman-Weinberg quantum gravity theory is complete in the sense of no hidden variables (as quantum mechanics is strictly deterministic across the multiverse). Although there are an infinite number of coupling constants, which are in effect axioms of the theory, and which must be determined by experiment. But as Prof. John Donoghue and Dr. Tibor Torma have shown, the Feynman-Weinberg Lagrangian will not contradict experiment so long as the renormalized values of the infinite number of new coupling constants are adequately small. Additionally, as Prof. Steven Weinberg has stressed, this Lagrangian forms a theory of quantum gravity that is just as renormalizable as quantum electrodynamics and the Standard Model. For that, see:

John F. Donoghue, "General relativity as an effective field theory: The leading quantum corrections," Physical Review D, Vol. 50, Issue 6 (September 1994), pp. 3874-3888. Also at arXiv:gr-qc/9405057, May 25, 1994.

John F. Donoghue and Tibor Torma, "Power counting of loop diagrams in general relativity," Physical Review D, Vol. 54, Issue 8 (October 1996), pp. 4963-4972. Also released as "On the power counting of loop diagrams in general relativity," arXiv:hep-th/9602121, February 22, 1996.

Steven Weinberg, The Quantum Theory of Fields, Volume I: Foundations (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1995), ISBN 0521550017, pp. 499 and 518-519.

"Terrorism is the health of the State."--James Redford, author of "Jesus Is an Anarchist," June 1, 2006

And yet another possibility…

“If one disbelieves in singularities, then one rejects the known laws of physics.”

Not necessarily…it is possible that some of the underlying assumptions in the Penrose-Hawking Singularity theorem are non-physical or is perhaps an incomplete set consistent with the physical universe.

Markets and thieves

How about a financial twist on this open forum. Not long ago a blatant case of scoundrels for a short time period came out of the shadows of the source of money power elites. E.G. Some corrupt stuff going on with the collapse of Bear Stearns bought up by J.P. Morgan. (JP not alone, but one of the most obvious) The Federal Reserve, instead of supporting Bear Stearns (not that any of them should be funded), but instead gave JP the green light and backed their takeover of all their assets. What's more, there's still tons of derivatives owned by these financial behemoths, so they benefit from their own analysts either upgrading or downgrading companies, including their own. What incentive do they have to be independent on their grading when they have a vested interest? This is Zeitgeist amplified by several times and only the tip of their corruption iceberg. And what does the SEC and Federal Reserve going to do being that they're controlled by the same board members as many of these financial giants? Simply stop recording measurements like the M3 supply, rampant spending, and all in the name of national security. Continue to rob the nation of any real investment through market manipulation like the self-prophesies of grading then benefiting from the derivatives they own so they are not caught off guard by any market move that they did not calculate. Continue to buy up gold themselves while marginalizing its ownership in the corporate controlled media.

What do we the people gain? The real wealth is in the swings in the market as these bankers make money whether the market goes up or down. That's another reason why we can't have relative tranquility. Just look at this title 'Oil prices up on word US ship fired on boats in Persian Gulf' problem, reaction (profit), solution. What's more whose income has genuinely gone up in the last several years? The deliberate devaluation of the dollar and the simultaneous oil high prices will now make the rest of the world pay for it and thus the bankers taking the wealth from the rest of the world.

So who are the bankers eye-ing now to seize assets from? Which company or nation will they pilfer next.? The real joke is that each day the common people make an annual salary if were lucky while these thieves make daily double digit percentages on millions they have (earned) stolen through market manipulation. Then again, what is really exposing these vandals?

You may ask what this has to do with 9/11, the catalyst to the spending in the military complex and defense industries and record debt that all has to be borrowed by incurring interest or debt? IMHO, Everything, though going back even to WWI, Vietnam, and others, it's not new, but the same story to profit from conflict, spending more than the budget (interest borrowing), orchestrated conflicts and artificial threats (raise the oil price again) and the likes.

Comedy central : The terrorists hate our freedoms right? Well, the government is a genius in that they are simply taking away our freedoms, thereby giving the terrorists less interest in us.

Fascist capitalism

After capitalism: Seymour Melman on economic conversion - disarmament and reindustrialization

Strong Dollar Policy = Gold Price Suppression

The mysterious and laughable "strong dollar policy" we heard about while the Fed was busy flooding the world with new dollars (to "stimulate" inflation) was actually... the long-standing "gold price suppression policy."

Bill Murphy: The 'strong dollar' policy was gold price suppression

Another "conspiracy theory" for Faux News to debunk for J6P.

"Trust must be earned: Only fools give it away freely."
-- Unknown

extracts from position paper on issues for congress campaign

Truth in Politics:
What a Concept!

For: truth, justice, freedom, peace, and fiscal sanity
Against: Republicrats, Demogogicans, the terror-industrial complex, the military-industrial complex, the medical-industrial complex, the prison-industrial complex, the Israel lobby, Haliburton, Diebold, Blackwater...and all the other special interests that are bleeding this country dry

The Issues

Most politicians are cowardly, half-bright, mealy-mouthed scoundrels who will tell you everything and nothing to get elected. I’m...well, a little different. In the tradition of Ed Thompson and Jesse Ventura, two of my “tell it like it is” heroes, I’m going to tell you exactly what I think. You may strongly disagree with some of my positions. But at least you’ll know where I stand.

The Economy

When Bush took office back in 2001, the satirical newspaper The Onion published an article headlined Bush: “Our Long National Nightmare Of Peace And Prosperity Is Finally Over".

They got that right.

For more than seven years, the Bush Administration and its Democratic and Republican stooges in Congress have been waging war on our economy. Their pals at Enron, Haliburton, and other criminal enterprises have been looting the taxpayer, the rate-payer, and everybody else in sight. Much of the five trillion dollars flushed down the Iraq war toilet-bowl has gone to line the pockets of these liars and thieves.

To hide the truth during those seven years of looting, the Federal Reserve just kept printing more and more funny money. Now the chickens are coming home to roost. The dollar is tanking—at this rate it will soon be used for lining birdcages. Gas prices are through the roof, because gas is still valuable, but the dollar is not. As I write, food is starting to be rationed in some areas.

What to do?

First, jail the criminals and recover the loot. Then get to work on a plan for national economic renewal.

We need to begin a massive transfer of our resources from unproductive enterprises to productive ones. Most of this can be accomplished by the free market if we allow it to work.

Right now our economy is a not a free market. It is dominated by the Federal Reserve money cartel and its military-industrial complex. To become a free market economy, we need to abolish the Federal Reserve and the military-industrial complex.

I support Dr. Ron Paul’s plan to abolish the Federal Reserve. We need to take back control of our own currency. The way it works now, the government borrows trillions of dollars from the banking cartel at interest to pay for its activities. Then it taxes us to pay the banksters back—at interest. Why should we have to pay interest on our own currency? Why shouldn’t our government just print its own currency, interest free? And why shouldn’t that currency be sound, instead of funny-money?

I also support Dr. Paul’s plan to shrink the military-industrial complex. We should stop trying to conquer the world, quit destroying the Middle East on behalf of Israel, close down every foreign military base, bring ALL our troops home, and just defend the borders. We could easily cut military spending more than 90%, probably more than 99%, and still be far more secure than we are now. The bottom line is, military spending kills economies. We doubled our military spending after 9/11, and now our economy is shot full of holes.

If we nationalize the Federal Reserve and return to a defend-the-borders posture, we will suddenly have far more money than we know what to do with. Our economy will flourish as never before, especially if we bust up the big, inefficient monopolies that dominate most sectors today, and give small and medium-sized enterprises a chance to compete. We can eliminate the income tax for ordinary Americans—only the wealthy should have to pay income tax, as the creators of the tax intended.

A return to sound currency, lower government spending, and re-focusing that spending on rebuilding our infrastructure at home, instead of destroying things in Iraq, will more than repair the damage done during the past seven years.

The War

We need to end the war NOW. What is it about the word NOW that the Democrats and Republicans don’t understand?

The war was THE issue in the 2006 elections. Democrats like Ron Kind were sent to Congress to end it. They didn’t. Fire them!

The war will cost us up to five trillion dollars. That is hundreds of times more than the liars who started it said it would cost.

The war has ruined our economy. They said we’d get cheap oil from Iraq. Instead, gas prices have gone from less than two dollars a gallon towards four dollars a gallon.

The war has ruined our reputation in the world. The USA used to be the world’s favorite nation, including among Muslims. The BS about how “they hate us” was a lie. In Turkey, before the war, the USA had an 80% approval rating. Now it’s closer to 10%. Now they really are starting to hate us.

The war is an illegal, Nazi-style war of aggression. Iraq never attacked us. They never even threatened us. Even if Saddam Hussein had illegally held hundreds of nuclear weapons, like Israel does, he would have posed no meaningful threat to the US, which could have annihilated his country in a heartbeat. But every informed person knew he had no WMDs. The whole thing was a lie. It was about raping the taxpayer on behalf of Haliburton and destroying Iraq on behalf of Israel.

The invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq are the two greatest war crimes since Hitler invaded Poland. Both wars were set in stone before 9/11, which was just a pretext. The people who planned and directed them are war criminals. They need to be tried at a war crimes tribunal. And every company that profited from the war needs to be seized and nationalized and sold off, with the proceeds distributed to the American taxpayers. The executives should be tried for war crimes alongside Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Wolfowitz, Perle, and the rest of the neocon neo-nazis.

After we have ended the war, jailed the war criminals, and broken up and sold off the criminal corporations, we can get down to the business of rebuilding America. Our task is simple: END THE EMPIRE, RESTORE THE REPUBLIC!


The American people are gradually waking up to the fact that the official story of 9/11 is the biggest load of hooey ever dumped on the heads of a once-free people. I don’t know exactly what happened on 9/11, but I do know that we need to find out.

9/11 was the worst crime ever committed on American soil. But Bush admits that Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. And even our own FBI admits that there is “no hard evidence” linking Osama Bin Laden to 9/11. If Saddam didn’t do 9/11, and Osama didn’t do 9/11, then who did? The 9/11 Commission Report says it doesn’t matter. That’s right! The 9/11 Commission Report says that the question of who financed 9/11 is of “little practical significance.” Wait a minute...the biggest crime in history, and it doesn’t matter who paid for it?! Obviously the 9/11 Commission was a whitewash. We need a new investigation, followed by prosecutions of the criminals.

I’m going to level with you: I have been studying 9/11 for four years, and I am convinced that overwhelming evidence shows that it was a false-flag operation. (For readings on some of this evidence, click here.) I have no doubt that if we can get a real investigation, we can easily prosecute and jail the guilty parties. It will be a difficult, shocking experience for our country. But if we let it go—as we did with JFK—who knows what the next outrage will be? We need the truth. We owe it to the survivors—especially the family members, who have a right to know why their loved ones died. We owe it to the first responders, who were lied to about the air being safe to breathe, and who are now dying. We owe it to the million people murdered in the 9/11 wars. We owe it to our Constitution, which has been treated like toilet paper. We owe it to America’s good name, which has been dragged through the mud. In the end, we owe it to ourselves, our children, and our country. Anyone who isn’t pushing as hard as they can for a new, genuine 9/11 investigation is not only unfit to hold office—they are unfit for citizenship in a free nation.

Kill Your Television

I may be the first congressional candidate in history to run on the platform “kill your television.”

I want you to unplug your television, get a shotgun, head for the nearest place you can do the deed safely, and blow that sucker away.

I know that sounds harsh. But your television is your enemy. Its job is to turn your brain to mush.

Instead of watching TV, spend some time actually talking with your family and neighbors. Do some reading. Cook a good meal. Plant a garden. Get your news from a good internet news website like or Educate yourself politically by listening to the best internet talk radio, including my shows. Download those suckers to your MP3 player and listen to them while you’re cooking or driving or working or whatever. When you really, really need to watch something, rent a DVD or go to a movie or find something interesting on YouTube.

Your TV is an evil alien being camped in your living room. It wants to suck your brains right out of your skull. It feeds on your attention. Stop watching! Turn away! Turn the damned thing off! KILL YOUR TELEVISION!


The USA imprisons its citizens at a vastly higher rate than any other country. We have five percent of the world’s population, and almost a quarter of its prisoners. The whole country is turning into a gigantic prison camp. We’re going broke paying for all these gulags. And now the prison-industrial complex is turning into a political monster, like the military-industrial complex and the medical-industrial complex.

Do we really need to lock all those people up? I don’t think so. I think it’s the psychopathic politicians who have built all those prisons who need to be locked up.

There is no reason to imprison people for drug offenses. Yet about half the people in prison are locked up because of drugs. Many others are imprisoned for petty crimes like writing bad checks and shoplifting. These days, I wouldn’t be surprised if folks are going to jail for tearing the tags off mattresses.

Criminal offenses are punished with such harshness in the USA that the rest of the world thinks we’re insane. Get a load of this extract from a recent International Herald-Tribune article:

Far from serving as a model for the world, contemporary America is viewed with horror," James Whitman, a specialist in comparative law at Yale, wrote last year in Social Research. "Certainly there are no European governments sending delegations to learn from us about how to manage prisons."

Prison sentences here have become "vastly harsher than in any other country to which the United States would ordinarily be compared," Michael Tonry, a leading authority on crime policy, wrote in "The Handbook of Crime and Punishment."

Indeed, said Vivien Stern, a research fellow at the prison studies center in London, the American incarceration rate has made the United States "a rogue state, a country that has made a decision not to follow what is a normal Western approach."

It’s time to bust up the prison-industrial complex. The corporate bigwigs who profit from building more and more prisons should be arrested, tried for crimes against humanity, and allowed to inhabit their own prisons for the rest of their lives. They should share cells with the punk politicians who voted for bloated prison funding and draconian laws.

We need to review our entire legal code and bring punishments into line with those of other Western nations. And we need to legalize and regulate all mind-altering drugs, and treat drug use using a harm reduction approach.

Drug Reform

The first step in drug reform, as my old bumpersticker put it, is: DARE to Get the CIA Off Drugs! The CIA and its allies run most of the world’s illegal drug trade. That’s why drugs are illegal—to keep the enormous profits in the hands of the CIA covert ops boys and the finance oligarchs they work for.

If you don’t believe me, please read chapter 3 of Mike Ruppert’s Crossing the Rubicon. Or start with this interview.

The illegal drug trade brings in about 600 or 700 billion dollars in cash every year—maybe more, since the IMF’s estimate for money laundering in 2001 was 1.5 trillion dollars. All of that cash has to get laundered somewhere. But there’s too much of it to launder anywhere but through huge corporations. So the CIA, which is the gangster army of the Wall Street financiers, controls the drug trade and launders the money through America’s largest banks and corporations.

Insiders leverage the drug money to make even more profits than the above figures would suggest. How? They buy, say, General Dynamics stock, and then launder billions in drug money through General Dynamics. The dirty money shows up as earnings. Wow! General Dynamics is having a great year! Its stock prices soar. Then the insiders sell their stocks, invest in Bank of America, start laundering money through Bank of America. And so the shell game continues year after year, generating trillions of dollars in profits for the corrupt scoundrels of the Wall Street CIA mafia.

When the Taliban shut down most of the world’s heroin production by eliminating the Afghan opium crop, the CIA-Wall Street gangsters responded by invading Afghanistan in 2001. By destroying the heroin industry in 2000, the Taliban had committed what Ruppert describes as the greatest act of economic warfare in history. Restoring the heroin business—not looking for Osama Bin Laden—was the real purpose of the invasion of Afghanistan. And the heroin business has indeed been restored. Last year, it was bigger than ever.

The way to destroy this circle of corruption is simple: legalize and regulate drugs, and abolish the CIA, as JFK tried to do right before they killed him.

I'll vote for that Kevin !

Thats a good starting point! Amen !

"unflinching, unswerving, fierce intellectual determination, as citizens, to define the real truth of our lives and our societies is a crucial obligation which devolves upon us all. It is in fact mandatory.

Your posts are all

better than mine.

Mine is a bummer ...

Washington Post says

"Joint Chiefs Chairman Says U.S. Preparing Military Options Against Iran"

Um . . . are they really that crazy?

They may just be trying to intimidate the Iranians

and keep them from selling too much oil in euros.

Then again, they may really be THAT CRAZY.

Let's hope not.


You're still batting 1,000 on my scorecard, GW.


The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

Peak Oil

ties it together GW

still batting a .999 regardless brother

Violence can only be concealed by a lie, and the lie can only be maintained by violence.

~Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

what about deep oil?

Abiotic deep oil, the russians have said that fossil fuel is a fairy tale. If you research the dnieper donet basin it seems this may very well be the case. How has Russia gone from needing oil so desperately to the second largest exporter? What about Putin stopping the Youkos exxon mobil deal? The Vietnam oil well drilled by the Soviets also seems to support what they claim. Just Wondering.


oil seems to have largely been discredited. Is oil finite or infinite? Is anything infinite?

I believe the underlying connection to rising gas prices, the endless 9/11 resource wars, the oil presidency, and American fascistic militarism are all intertwined with the confluence of big oil, big military, big government and old money. I would love to be wrong, and I as an average citizen cannot say for certain whether or not I am right or wrong. Reading books like The Long Emergency and Crossing the Rubicon make strong cases for Peak Oil.

Otherwise, why would our government be moving so steadfastly into uber-hyper control mode? And why is gas almost $4 a gallon? Because demand is increasing as supplies dwindle away? I am not a pessimist, but I believe we are seeing the beginning of the end of cheap oil. The economic rupture has already begun. I think I'll read more about abiotic oil theories soon just because I am so convinced otherwise. However, I doubt that I will change my mind. We may just have to wait and see. That's what keeps life so interesting, right?

Violence can only be concealed by a lie, and the lie can only be maintained by violence.

~Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

peak or deep?

Thanks for your thoughts, let me know what you find out in your further research. I myself thought this abiotic theory couldn't possibly be real not that long ago, but after researching the dnieper donet basin etc. I am not so sure. Then again when the same people told me 911 was an inside job, I said get away from me, only to find later they had a point eh? As for gas being $4 gallon, I 'm sure the powers that be like it that way, alternative technologies have been ignored since the time of Tesla etc. I now find that conspiracy is the norm, and seems to part of the human social condition based upon nature;s animal based instincts. But alas, I still believe that "man" has the ability to rise above nature, that freewill and the ability to disconnect from nature's stimulus - response and fixed action patterns is possible.

Peak or deep--same thing

Do you understand what peak oil means? Simply, the rest of the oil is harder--and more costly-- to get. Which includes being too deep.

Peak oil does NOT mean the oil is all gone.

Also peak oil is NOT mutually exclusive with artificial price fluctuations.

And there is nothing wrong with nature; our animal instincts are fine. Notice how unstressed animals go about living by "don't attack me, I won't attack you"? Humans call that morals or ethics, but it's really just common sense. If you go about starting trouble for no good reason you might end up dead--or too injured to hunt/gather/whatever and then starve.

Nature is NOT the problem. It's the tiny group of sociopaths who do NOT have this natural instinct to not start trouble if you can avoid it. Unfortunately they're very adept at manipulating systems, stressing the rest of us out, and positioning themselves at the top where they cheerfully enable more sociapaths or sociapathic behaviors for their own benefit.

Its insulting to suggest our nature is the problem. If anything it is the unnatural stress(and our natural response to that stress)--a side effect of the parasitic corporate economy--that is the problem.

My point was:

The russians have seem to prove they can get to the deep oil! They have better technology. They seem to have proved this in the denieper donet basin. Putin perhaps stopped the Youkos Exxon deal to stop the transfer of that technology.
Animal behavior reflects aggressions around things like food and mating etc. Some have said that the origin of evil is the fear that the universe does not provide enough for everyone and that our resources are finite etc.. I don't believe this but the majority of people are not willing to break into their 401k to make sure everyone in the world has enough to eat! Thanks for your thoughts about stress etc and I certainly did not mean to cause any by insult. Man is a divine creature and is responsible for the creation of his world, our collective behaviors and thoughts reflect the external reality we create. Some of us have realized we can create a better world and some still believe that there is not enough to go around etc. And yes there is a group of sociopaths starting too much trouble with their thoughts and actions. Perhaps a jail cell would help them chill out.

One possibility

attack on Iran is the only card we have to play for cover as we retreat out of Iraq. Sadr is about to expel us.

PBS Propaganda Push Begins Sunday - "CARRIER"

Coinciding quite conveniently with the increase in anti-Iranian rhetoric.

Just add a false-flag event blamed on Iran to this mix and WW III is on.

Let's give them a full dose of truth:

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

April Gallup on Today's KPFA Guns & Butter Talking Pentagon


Must hear!


Maybe someone can find a better way of posting this.


Thank you!

It is a repeat

a great show . . I agree

Very Good

Thank you for posting this. I'm sending it far and wide.

excellent recording

Thank you very much.

So they even had special personnel to shut the Pentagon survivors up - cynically feigning concern for them (remember the "they never took me to Walter Reed") bit.

Boris Epstein

Accused September 11 planner meets his U.S. lawyer

Accused September 11 planner meets his U.S. lawyer

By Jane Sutton 1 hour, 57 minutes ago

"Mohammed has said he planned every aspect of the September 11 attacks but his confession may be tainted by the CIA's admission it subjected him to aggressive interrogation tactics, including the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding."

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Guantanamo prisoner accused of masterminding the September 11 attacks has met for the first time with the U.S. military lawyer assigned to defend him on war crimes charges that could lead to his execution, the attorney said on Friday.

At least for now, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed has accepted Navy Capt. Prescott Prince as his defense attorney, Prince said by telephone after returning from the remote U.S. naval base in Cuba where the United States holds foreign terrorism suspects.

"I advised him of his rights," Prince said, adding, "I cannot report anything my client told me."

Nor was he allowed to discuss the conditions under which Mohammed is held, he said. But he said he met with him on Thursday and planned to return to the Guantanamo base in two weeks to meet with him again.

"I'm not sure he knows where he wants to go with this," Prince said of Mohammed, al Qaeda's No. 3, who was arrested in a raid in Pakistan in March 2003.

Some prisoners facing charges in the Guantanamo war court have refused representation by U.S. military lawyers and declined to even meet with them.

Mohammed was one of six Guantanamo prisoners charged in February with direct involvement in the plot that killed nearly 3,000 people when hijackers crashed passenger planes into New York's World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a field in Pennsylvania in 2001.

U.S. military prosecutors charged the prisoners with war crimes that include murder, conspiring with al Qaeda, and terrorism. Before a trial date can be set, a Pentagon appointee must approve the charges and accept or reject the prosecutors' request to execute the prisoners if they are convicted.

Mohammed has said he planned every aspect of the September 11 attacks but his confession may be tainted by the CIA's admission it subjected him to aggressive interrogation tactics, including the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding.

He and other "high-value" prisoners transferred to Guantanamo from secret CIA custody are held in a secret camp, separate from other captives at the detention camp.

Prince is a naval reservist who was assigned to the Guantanamo war court's defense team on his recent return from Iraq, where he was a lawyer in the unit that oversaw detainee operations.

Like many of the Guantanamo defense lawyers, he has said he does not believe his client can get a fair trial at Guantanamo and should be tried in a regular U.S. court.

(Editing by Peter Cooney)

Planned the entire operation!

Wow, this is great news. Now they can finally tell us the real plan. How WTC7 came down at free fall speed, how they avoided our air defense, How the operatives got into our military and flight training? How to vaporize a 747 after impact. There is so much I wanted to know, I can't wait to see the secret evidence behind all these magic tricks. ...............Poor soul tortured by war criminals and soon to be neoconvicts!

David Icke

I know that even mentioning David Icke on this web site is a no-no but please take the time to watch this short video of Icke talking about 9/11 and PNAC. This man is right-on and truthers should show him more respect. He has been at this a lot longer than any of us.

Cocaine and GW's superb

Great point Kevin on the CIA and CNN - the Cocaine Traffickers and propaganda nefarious news. Open markets directly influenced by money laundering by corporations and cocaine profits laundering stock prices. George Washington, great to hear from you, whenever you talk, your intuition is razor sharp and whose blog is amazingly informative and appreciated. Every blog post is sorely needed. :)
The United States has 2.3 million criminals behind bars ... there are 16 US states with fewer than 2.3 million people
Hey, just another way to support the economy through security, or in this instance criminal justice. What if instead of jailing all these individuals that they would have been educated instead, with a proper propaganda on an emphasis on learning and competing? Would the economy then be like the Chinese or European countries with lots of educated labor, but few jobs. I don't buy that for a moment. And the demographics of these jailed individuals, mostly minorities. Guess there is more than one war going on, drugs and jail to battle minorities. When will these injustices end?

More things to worry about & random thoughts:

What is going on with all the missing honey bees? Is it affecting food production?

The steep price increases in wheat, rice, & gasoline are getting scary.

What the hell is this new Morgellons disease that’s infecting people with tiny, colorful fibers, granules, or crystals growing out of skin lesions? Is it related to chemtrails as some suggest?

I notice that many NeoCons portray a very pleasant demeanor & deportment to disarm & hoodwink many sheeple. Rummy is a good example. He’s always smiling, chuckling, joking, soft-spoken, etc. He makes people believe he’s as kind & gentle as their favorite uncle or grandfather. (I guess one really can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.) Truthers should also address the pubic this way, IMO.

Consider mass emailing truth messages. More info here:

honey bees

Well I can still remember the " killer bees scare" but the latest I heard is that the new generation of round-up ready crops are not only hurting the bees but they are hurting the humans too! Saw a documentary called The future of Food, really opened my ideas to the monsters at MONSANTO.

An opinion of the food

An opinion of the food shortage is that the climate change has gotten much colder (sorry global warming fans). Crops are not as plentiful, plus instead of renewable energy, instead, the mid-west is planting crops for ethanol fuel resulting in further shortage. (Remember when we subsidized farmers to NOT farm) Products like sugar and bananas were so inexpensive that they also received payment to slow production. Until we get back to a sensible food production away from ethonol, the fuel for vehicles, and instead crops as food, it will continue. Plus there might be a bit of a eugenics going on that cares little about mass population decline through a generated food shortage. Just look at how effective the food blockage has been against Palestine, the current genocide (though some may attempt to corner the genocide market that occurred during WWII).

And since we're talking about scarcity, when was the last gas/oil refinery built in the U.S.? Hey, aren't diamonds rare as well?

link2zelda - If you have not yet read this article,

give it a whirl:

It's well worth the time, imo.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

Rush Order

The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it

Collateral damage

On Tuesday, April 18 [2006], some 17 analysts assembled at the Pentagon with Mr. Rumsfeld and General Pace, then the chairman of the Joint Chiefs.

A transcript of that session, never before disclosed, shows a shared determination to marginalize war critics and revive public support for the war.

. . .

"Frankly,” one participant said, “from a military point of view, the penalty, 2,400 brave Americans whom we lost, 3,000 in an hour and 15 minutes, is relative.”

The context is not clear, but this appears to be the logic of "collateral damage," applied to the 9/11 victims.

“Willie’s God! Willie’s God! We Love Willie!”

May Issue

“Willie’s God! Willie’s God! We Love Willie!”

Happy Birthday Willie! Click here for an exclusive tribute page.

by Michael Hall

So much has been written about him in the past 75 years (a good chunk of it in Texas Monthly) that we wondered if there was anything left to say. Which is why we called the people who know him best: the friends and admirers and collaborators who’ve been with him through every phase and stage of his life. Jimmy Carter, Emmylou Harris, Robert Redford, Lyle Lovett, and many more pay a special seventy-fifth-birthday tribute to the most important musician ever to come from Texas—and, perhaps, the most iconic Texan of all.

I couldn't find anything related to Willie's questioning 9/11 in the article, but his elevation to Sainthood prove his credibility remains intact and his stature continues to grow.

Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee (GATA) Conference

For those of you interested in financial matters:

in the gold/silver market,
in understanding how they are manipulated by the central banks and
in understanding how to protect your wealth from the erosion of fiat money.

These three links give the text to talks given at the Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee Inc. conference
Hyatt Regency Crystal City Hotel, Arlington, Virginia Friday, April 18, 2008

Edwin Vieira Jr.: Silver and gold guarantee freedom

Chris Powell: There are no markets anymore, just interventions

Catherine Austin Fitts: Gold, GATA and the Turn to Higher Ground

About GATA

The Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee was organized in January 1999 to advocate and undertake litigation against illegal collusion to control the price and supply of gold and related financial securities. The committee arose from essays by Bill Murphy, a financial commentator, and by Chris Powell, a newspaper editor in Connecticut, published at Murphy's Internet site,

Murphy's essays reported evidence of collusion among financial institutions to suppress the price of gold. Powell, whose newspaper had been involved in antitrust litigation, replied with an essay proposing that gold mining and investor interests should act on Murphy's essays by bringing suit against the financial institutions involved in the collusion against gold.

Economist believes in controlled demolition

Economist Darryl Robert Schoon clearly states a belief in controlled demolition. This sentence appears in the 4th paragraph of the section titled, "What Will Tomorrow Bring?"

"I wonder what they would do if they knew about the dangers posed by investment bank credit default swaps, CDSs, a $62 trillion unregulated market that could destroy the global economy as quickly and as easily as charged explosives brought down three towers at the World Trade Center on 9/11"

New video's about Building 7

New video's about WTC7 by Achimspok. The second video totally destroys NIST's damage estimates of the south side.

Also take a look at his other video's which include some great 'noplane' debunking:
Please watch my movie: The Third Tower

as of late...

Over the last few months, actually, I've been trying to play opposition over at the Screw loose Change. I just figured since all the MSM tout them as the main "debunking" site (or one of them) it would be healthy to inject a dose of truth there.

I think any help would be welcome there as the more of us there are battling their message (insults and innuendo, mostly) with knowledge and facts, the better. Beware: the climate there is truly vicious. I commented under my own name, still do sometimes, but I also at times use pseudonyms as some low-lives on that site started to impersonate me. I don't know how much lower you can go, truly.

So if you ask for my advice - if you are concerned about your safety or reputation, as much as I hate to say it - if you choose to comment there, do that anonymously, for some people there have no compunction about doing anything they think they can get away with.

Be that as it may - I think that, figuratively speaking, it is a good idea to take the fight to the enemy, and Screw loose Change is as good a place for that as any - given their popularity, probably one of the better places.

Boris Epstein

Show "Thank-you for that link Maddog," by drbeeth
Show "I Like Icke" by Kevin Barrett

Yeah right!!!!

The movement is more important than Icke, who IMHO only serves to marginalize this movement with his ridiculous and highly laughable theories of reptilian federal governance. Let's get serious here for one second. We are trying to wake up ordinary Americans, not turn them off with extraneous X-Files throwaway nonsense. Are you even trying to be credible when you say you support Icke, and then attempt to subtly criticize 911Blogger?!!

I believe that we as a decentralized movement are trying to mobilize people, not alienate them (pun noticed, certainly not intended) from what is an already bitter pill to swallow.

What a joke.

Violence can only be concealed by a lie, and the lie can only be maintained by violence.

~Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Other compaign slogans to consider:

"Reptiloids for Congress! "

"Vote Alien-ate!"

"I want to believe--this is just a bad joke"

Sadly he's serious:

the role of marginalizing

On wikipedia, the debunkers fight tooth and nail to keep Icke and LaRouche's names permanently on the 9/11 Truth Movement templates to prove that they are 'members'.

These are the same people who force the label "conspiracy theorists" onto all the pages because they realize the powerful value in discrediting.

It's disappointing to see people on here posting links to Rense and advocating Icke uncritically.

Recommended Reading

Nonsense as a Weapon

The Big Tent

Marginalizing the Skeptics
The attack architects must have anticipated that some people would see through the Big Lie and that some of them would mount challenges to it. Having confidence that these challenges would either be ineffective or could be dealt with through various disruptive methods must also have been part of the architects' calculus in planning such a bold attack. Analysis of the history of the 9/11 Truth Movement suggest what some of those disruptive methods are.

The most visible such method is the promotion of nonsensical theories, which function to marginalize the work of genuine and competent skeptics, both by eclipsing it with effective marketing, and by discrediting it through guilt by association. This strategy is highly effective as a setup for straw man attacks such as the Popular Mechanics feature: the disinformation memes are seeded and nurtured on the web and then knocked down by mainstream attack pieces. Because most grassroots skeptics lack the resources of money, time, marketing and technical expertise necessary to produce and distribute material such as In Plane Site, they are inclined to embrace such materials and minimize their poison pills, such as the no-jetliners theories.


Hey Victronix

We posted the same idea at basically the same time, so I guess I'm not insane after all! Condoleeza Rice might be a cold-blooded liar - but she's most likely not a reptilian alien from planet Icke!

I had a hard enough time getting my dad to watch Terrorstorm. I don't think he would have given the film's ideas any more credence if Alex Jones accused Cheney, et al, of being reptiles.

Sheesh. WTF happened to the logic that has brought this movement as far as it's come when I'm angrily responding to this BS on a Saturday night instead of...I don't know...drinking beer with my friends or something?!?!?

Violence can only be concealed by a lie, and the lie can only be maintained by violence.

~Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Jim Marrs also...

Jim Marrs may also turn out to be a reason for marginalizing the movement. He's famous for his book "Alien Agenda: Investigating the Extraterrestrial Presence among Us".

Men from Marrs?

While I agree that we sure don't need to confuse the 911 issue with other conspiracy literature etc, Jim Marrs and other UFO people are very credible and deserve serious attention in their own spheres. No pun intended, honest. Are the UFO"s man made, alien made, here from this planet in underwater bases, all of the above, none of the above?

Intriguing questions...

...that have nothing to do with 911 activism. Which is what most if us are here at 911Blogger for.

There are however plenty of other forums dedicated to this subject matter. You should find them easily enough with a search engine.


Sorry I didn't mean to set off any sparks.

I thought this was an open thread and Jim Marrs and Aliens were already on the table. Anyway I really do admire your dedication to this not funny and deadly serious issue of 911. Thanks for your efforts comrade and please never underestimate my commitment or outrage in the matters of 911 truth. I think there is room for everyone in this movement, Jim Marrs, David Icke, the no-planers, we all count. Saying that , I agree with Scott Ritter's observations about the lack of organization, discipline, chain of command etc, that the peace and truth movements must overcome.

No planers DO NOT COUNT

Mixing credible information with nonsense is called disinformation.

Violence can only be concealed by a lie, and the lie can only be maintained by violence.

~Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

You are a worry, wake up man as our kids are the cannon foder!

This is no joke, fricken wake up and think of the best path to victory! I don't care what you think is fair or acceptable, the question is how do we win, so we can place the key in the door stop the wars!

Regards John

WE GOT TO TAKE THE POWER BACK!... rage against the machine!!

Network of Serial-Killers Responsible for at Least 40 Murders

(For a caveat on this topic, see the note below.)

Below are news articles and video reports by 5 Eyewitness News, ABC Channel 5 (KSTP-TV, Minneapolis, Minnesota) which document that there is a network of serial-killers operating in cells in different cities in the U.S. which have tortured and murdered at least 40 young college men. The various local police and the FBI have done nothing to attempt to stop this network but instead have at every turn covered-up these murders and shown no interest in honestly investigating them, but instead have absurdly ruled in every case that they were drownings due to drunken accidents even though the evidence all along was inconsistent with drownings, and even though this network of serial-killers went out of their way to leave evidence of murder and their "calling cards," i.e., their depraved signatures. (Indeed, even after the FBI was given the below information and far more in addition, the FBI has still shown no interest in investigating.)

It was only after extensive evidence gathered by retired New York Police Department detectives Kevin Gannon and Anthony Duarte, working at their own expense, and with pressure on local Minneapolis Police from the parents of murder-victim Christopher Jenkins, that Christopher Jenkins' death was finally ruled a murder. Detectives Gannon and Duarte have tracked down a number of these cells and even know the names of a number of the murderers.

As the below news articles and videos document, this network is highly organized and exceedingly well-trained. 5 Eyewitness News investigator Kristi Piehl made the point in an interview on the radio station 92 KQRS-FM, Minnesota (contained amongst the documentation below) that the individuals in this network know very well what they're doing, i.e., in regards to the expert methodologies of kidnapping, torture and up-close homicide.

From the documentation provided in the below, it is obvious that this network consists of individuals with extensive professional training in covert intelligence agency "wetwork" Black Operations (i.e., BlackOps, "black world"). No attempt is made in the below documentation to expatiate the motives behind these murders, but it's clear that robbery is not one of the motives. This network is clearly getting extensive funding for their operations, and obviously has extensive insider intelligence capabilities, i.e., in the manner in which they can select and then track their victims without arousing notice from the local police or their victims (or, if having aroused notice of the local police, they appear confident in their ability to put the kibosh on further inquiry), i.e., as if they have ready access to confidential government databases and files, and are trained in the methods of covert serveillance with access to the means and equipment in which to conduct said while avoiding legal repercussions. The victims chosen all fit a similar profile.

These are obviously not "vampire kiddies," or any other type of rag-tag band of human-sacrificial occultists. Neither are they Arab terrorists, for the following reasons: (1) this network's activities would still be unknown to the public at large were it not for the unflagging work of detectives Gannon and Duarte (as the local police and the FBI certainly have shown great disinclination in pursuing investigations into these cases), and hence these murders aren't being done to make the populace submit to some hypothetical Arab group's political demands; (2) such serial-killing activities are repulsive and dishonorable by Arab mass-culture standards, and hence would hurt any hypothetical "cause" of such group; and (3) cells of Arabs running around doing such things in the U.S. would stick out like sore thumbs, all the more in our so-called "post-9/11 era."

Rather, these are hardened professionals, trained to the highest degree in Western-intelligence-style "wetwork," with access to the ground-level capabilites current U.S. intelligence insiders would have. As well, operations of this magnitude require extensive funding. Nor are the murders being conducted to satisfy the individual jollies of the ground-level operators who carry out these murders. Self-motivated serial-killers are notorious for expressing their own particular individualities in the selection of their victims and in the method in which they murder their victims. As well, self-initiated serial-killers virtually never work in groups larger than two people; usually they act alone. These are not serial-killers who selected their victims to fulfill their own desires to kill, but rather because they have been ordered to. This is their job--quite possibly a side-job (or more accurately, their actual main vocation, while holding a pedestrian job as a front), but still it is lucrative business for them.

The ideal in black-world covert operations is to kill as many birds with one stone as one can, i.e., to fulfill a number of diverse objectives with the particular operation. As well, black-world operations by their nature tend to be abstruse undertakings, and so the motives behind them will often still be hard to fathom for the masses even once revealed. As to the selection of victims in this case, there is a motive which presents itself. It is an ancillary motive, and not the main motive. The main motive here is initiation and compromising operatives who have been found worthy to join the ranks of this group of black-world agents, i.e., to "make their bones," i.e., "blood in, blood out" (i.e., murder to get in, and the only way out is to die). Compromising can be done by, e.g., video-recording the initiate with his victim, such that he and his victim are the only ones in the frame, with both their faces clearly showing. Thus having been compromised, the initiate is forever subject to blackmail, particularly as it applies to revealing any covert operations. He knows well that he can never go public, for if he did manage such a feat without first being killed he would be revealed to be a murderer. Moreover, even if he were willing to undergo conviction for murder, he knows that the legal system would be quite unlikely to desire to get to the bottom of his claims, even in the unlikely event it took him seriously, for what then would be presented is one hand of the government not wanting to know what the covert hand does, with those at the top working to make sure it stays that way. Indeed, he quite possibly may not have much of worth to reveal, as one technique of black-world operations is compartmentalization of people and knowledge, which can include false identities (or "sheep-dipped" identities which can be readily changed).

Since such "blood in, blood out" initiations require murders at any rate, the rationale for selection of victims can be quite trivial, so long as it doesn't conflict with the larger objectives. So it could be they simply willy-nilly settled on this profile of victims and method of murders to build a group "signature," i.e., a singature they would all share in common in order to build group identity (hence also the common "calling card"). It could be something as trivial as that. If one objects that such signature and calling card leaves too obvious a pattern for the law-enforcement system to follow, we are confronted with the fact that this group did in actuality do so, and thus they obviously appear confident in their ability to sidestep legal repercussions (i.e., at least in reference to the handlers at the top of this covert operation, who must view their ground-level operatives as useful tools which nevertheless can be discarded when doing so is advantageous). This signature and calling card would be this group's little inside joke to themselves.

Although I'll advance the possibility that there is perhaps more than merely that to their selection of victims. Throughout the era whereof government has existed, of great concern to all governments bent upon increasing their domination has been the control and subversion of young males who display independence and leadership qualities. Hence, e.g., in our modern age the massive drugging into oblivion of, in particular, male children who so-called "act up" within the forced government miseducation system, on the pretext of non-existent "conditions" utterly unknown to previous generations. These are boys who are unafraid to speak their minds and buck them system. In regards to potential contra-etatist leadership, these are the best and brightest, the ones who can spark a flame in the minds of men. Consequently, governments bent upon such domination rightly regard them as dangerous, i.e., dangerous in regards to their objectives, and even their existence. A government at the height of its power, at the darkest of hour, when almost everyone is convinced that there will be the black pall of tyranny overcast for generations to go, can come completely topling down vitually overnight by independent spirits who refuse to go along any more and who speak out, and who thereby inspire and set an example for others. Such independent spirits are usually rare, but are to be found in highest concentration in young men. Hence the necessity for governments to squash that independent spirit (to one degree or another) before it gets out of hand (the degree required in relation to the power which is sought).

Now 40 such victims (at the least) may not sound like a lot in regards such a scheme, but as I said, since such initiations require murders at any rate, such a black-world group might as well have "fun" in killing their natural enemy; as well as it serving as practice for the type of people they'll be "disappearing" when the government takes the gloves fully off. By the profile of these victims, they definitely appear to by the type of upstanding, smart and althletic young men who could shape up to be independant leaders and an inspiration to others.

Note: the above analysis in reference to this case assumes that the evidence gathered by detectives Gannon and Duarte and presented by ABC Channel 5 (KSTP-TV) is non-fraudulent, as there exists the possibility that this is a trap set by the government to discredit the idea of a highly-organized network of serial-killers and hence also discredit those who attempt to get the word out on this. The detectives maintain that they have eyewitnesses to some of the murders, and that they know the names of a number of the murderers, as well they have presented evidence regarding the "signature" method of the murders and the "calling cards" left, and more besides.

With the evidence presented by detectives Gannon and Duarte, this is clearly either a case of exactly what the said detectives and ABC Channel 5 (KSTP-TV) claim it is, i.e., a network of serial-killers, or a case of outright fraud, as a mere case of honest mistake would not account for the evidence presented and the evidence which the detectives claim to hold. Yet given that the detectives have worked at their own considerable expense, and that they would be subject to serious legal charges if they had gone to local police departments and the FBI with fraudulant evidence in an effort to start legal investigations, there would be absolutely no motive and indeed exceedingly strong disincentives in fabricating such evidence, *unless* they did so at the behest of the government in order to lay the above-described trap and are receiving covert remuneration for doing so.

Moving on from that note: concerning the reason why an intelligence agency would desire to have such compromised agents: the power that would accrue to an intelligence agency which uses such compromised black-world operatives is enormous. They would have sociopathic minions at their total beck and call, willing to carry out any acts, no matter how horrendous (i.e., so long as the minions in question believe that they'll be rewarded)--operatives who would never dare attempt to go public with what they know (not that such sociopaths would be given to pangs of conscience). Why, such an intelligence agency could even confidently use such operatives to rig up airliners with computer-guidance systems and rig up tall buildings with thermate in duplicitously staged terror attacks in order to provide a pretext to invade and take over other countries with militarily-valuable real estate while usurping ever more power and control domestically.

Concomitantly, related methodologies of blackmail hardly need be restricted to ground-level black-world operatives (and it need not necessarily be as extreme as outright murder, as such things as bizarre occultic rituals, and child-sex, can work quite well; and to some extent, especially in years past, homosexuality--the level of compromise being determined by the level of control desired). Such techniques would come enormously in handly in "testing the mettle" of those whom the ruling establishment allows to rise among the highest ranks in business, academia, and politics. Those not willing to "play along to get along" would be marginalized and pushed to the side, so only the scum would be allowed to rise to the top, i.e., only those who have been compromised: elite minions which the ruling establishment owns lock, stock and barrel, and whom can never break ranks lest their saturnalian proclivities be revealed.

This present post leaves aside an in-depth exposition on the history of covert government involvement in serial-murder (involving a number of the famous serial-killer cases we've come to know), as to do the subject justice would require more expenditure of time than I wish to devote at the moment. But I will leave you with a few documentary resources on that subject and other very closely related subjects for your edification.

"Programmed to Kill: The Politics of Serial Murder," David McGowan (iUniverse, 2004)

"Documentation on Elitist Child Sex-Slavery, Snuff Films and Occultism," James Redford, September 3, 2007

Below is the ABC Channel 5 (KSTP-TV) documentation referred to in the above. For articles which include a video news report, the link to the video is provided below the article's URL. I recommend people save all articles and files to their hard drive.

Posted at: 04/23/2008 10:28:47 AM
Updated at: 04/25/2008 10:43:24 PM
By: Kristi Piehl, Investigative Reporter; Justin Piehowski, Web Manager; Nicole Muehlhausen, Web Producer
DETECTIVES: Chris Jenkins murder connects dozens around country

Posted at: 04/23/2008 11:44:26 AM
Updated at: 04/25/2008 08:20:44 AM
By: Kristi Piehl, Investigative Reporter; Justin Piehowski, Web Manager; Nicole Muehlhausen, Web Producer
THE JENKINS FILE: Rarely-seen documents related the Chris Jenkins murder investiagation,professionals.pdf

Posted at: 04/16/2008 02:08:05 PM
Updated at: 04/25/2008 09:50:27 AM
Interactive Map of deaths that detectives believe may be related

Posted at: 04/18/2008 05:32:34 PM
Updated at: 04/25/2008 01:00:31 PM
By: Kristi Piehl, Investigative Reporter; Justin Piehowski, Web Manager, Nicole Muehlhausen, Web Producer
Christopher Jenkins Timeline

Posted at: 04/18/2008 09:36:27 PM
Updated at: 04/23/2008 07:18:21 PM
By: Nicole Muehlhausen, Graphic Designer & Web Producer
FEB. 17, 2006: We reveal that the case is open

Posted at: 04/18/2008 09:38:05 PM
Updated at: 04/23/2008 07:14:58 PM
By: Nicole Muehlhausen, Graphic Designer & Web Producer
MARCH 29, 2006: Water testing done with fake body

Posted at: 04/18/2008 09:40:58 PM
Updated at: 04/23/2008 07:14:12 PM
By: Nicole Muehlhausen, Graphic Designer & Web Producer
JULY 31, 2007: County decides not to file charges

Posted at: 04/23/2008 11:09:42 AM
Updated at: 04/25/2008 08:19:56 AM
By: Kristi Piehl, Investigative Reporter; Justin Piehowski, Web Manager; Nicole Muehlhausen, Web Producer
Extended video clips of detectives discussing the case

Posted at: 04/21/2008 02:09:56 PM
Updated at: 04/25/2008 08:21:43 AM
By: Kristi Piehl, Investigative Reporter; Justin Piehowski, Web Manager; Nicole Muehlhausen, Web Producer
EXTENDED: The Investigation

Posted at: 04/21/2008 02:08:05 PM
Updated at: 04/25/2008 08:21:55 AM
By: Kristi Piehl, Investigative Reporter; Justin Piehowski, Web Manager; Nicole Muehlhausen, Web Producer
EXTENDED: The Missing

Posted at: 04/21/2008 02:04:50 PM
Updated at: 04/25/2008 08:22:08 AM
EXTENDED: The Mistakes

Posted at: 04/23/2008 10:49:59 AM
Updated at: 04/25/2008 08:55:33 AM
By: Kristi Piehl, Investigative Reporter; Justin Piehowski, Web Manager; Nicole Muehlhausen, Web Producer
Anchor John Mason and Investigative Reporter Kristi Piehl discuss the case

Posted at: 04/19/2008 01:56:59 PM
Updated at: 04/23/2008 01:48:04 PM
By: Kristi Piehl, Investigative Reporter; Justin Piehowski, Web Manager; Nicole Muehlhausen, Web Producer
How Jan and Steve Jenkins kept this story going

Posted at: 04/19/2008 01:52:43 PM
Updated at: 04/19/2008 02:07:57 PM
Our relationship with the detectives

Posted at: 04/19/2008 01:48:39 PM
Updated at: 04/23/2008 01:43:19 PM
By: Kristi Piehl, Investigative Reporter; Justin Piehowski, Web Manager; Nicole Muehlhausen, Web Producer
We doubted the Jenkins at first

Posted at: 04/19/2008 01:45:06 PM
Updated at: 04/23/2008 01:43:08 PM
By: Kristi Piehl, Investigative Reporter; Justin Piehowski, Web Manager; Nicole Muehlhausen, Web Producer
What if young women went missing instead of young men?

Posted at: 04/19/2008 02:02:08 PM
Updated at: 04/25/2008 08:53:48 AM
By: Kristi Piehl, Investigative Reporter; Justin Piehowski, Web Manager; Nicole Muehlhausen, Web Producer
A story years in the making

Posted at: 04/23/2008 11:54:35 AM
Updated at: 04/25/2008 08:20:13 AM
By: Kristi Piehl, Investigative Reporter; Justin Piehowski, Web Manager; Nicole Muehlhausen, Web Producer
Minnesota and Wisconsin victims that detectives believe may be related

Posted at: 04/23/2008 10:34:49 AM
Updated at: 04/25/2008 01:55:20 PM
By: Kristi Piehl, Investigative Reporter
PIEHL: How the Jenkins story came about

Below is the audio of 5 Eyewitness News investigator Kristi Piehl on the radio station 92 KQRS-FM, Minnesota:

Posted at: 04/25/2008 01:08:59 PM
Updated at: 04/25/2008 01:19:11 PM
Listen to Kristi Piehl on KQRS Morning Show

"Terrorism is the health of the State."--James Redford, author of "Jesus Is an Anarchist," June 1, 2006

"D.C. Madame" Deborah Jeane Palfrey Apparently Assassinated

The below was posted in response to "Government Attack on Prostitution ends in woman's death," James W. Fogal, Mises Economics Blog, May 1, 2008 . The discussion software stated that the post is being held up for approval. I suspect that is due to the number of links contained therein. I contacted Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr. and the webmaster of via email about this post being held for approval. I hope it will be posted there in a timely manner.


Deborah Jeane Palfrey stated publicly that she wouldn't commit suicide. She stated so because obviously she was at risk in being "suicided" by the U.S. government given what she knew. Below you can listen to her state said:

For a July 23, 2007 interview with Palfrey, see:

As an Associated Press report stated, "Blanche Palfrey had no sign that her daughter was suicidal, and there was no immediate indication that alcohol or drugs were involved, police Capt. Jeffrey Young said." See:

"Police: 'D.C. madam' kills herself in Fla. coastal town," Mitch Stacy with contribution from Matt Apuzzo and Matthew Barakat, Associated Press (AP), May 1, 2008

Shame on James W. Fogal for regurgitating the Pentagon-controlled media propaganda. As a member of the Ludwig von Mises Institute, he ought to know better than that.

Dan Moldea, who is the only source being quoted in the media as to Palfrey's supposed suicide threat, is an apparent fabricator of quotes useful in backing up the U.S. government's position. For his apparent fabrication of interview quotes with Sirhan B. Sirhan, see:

"The Curious Case of Dan Moldea," Jim DiEugenio, Probe, Vol. 5, No. 4, May-June 1998 issue

For more on that, see:

"Professional Conspiracy Debunker Claims Friendship with Deborah Jeane Palfrey," Kurt Nimmo, Infowars, May 1, 2008

See also:

"DC Madam Predicted She Would Be Suicided: 'Rape, beating, maiming, disfigurement and more than likely murder disguised in the form of just another jailhouse accident or suicide would await me,' Palfrey wrote--Time Magazine curiously quick to re-affirm suicide story," Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet, May 1, 2008

"Palfrey Considered Call Girl's 'Suicide' Possible Murder: DC Madam employee also found hanged despite family's insistence she was upbeat, positive," Paul Joseph Watson, Prison Planet, May 1, 2008

"Suiciding" is a common method in Western-intelligence-style "wetwork" assassinations of people who have information damaging to said governments. For example, see:

"Who Killed Jonathan Moyle?: A British Journalist and the Iraqgate Factor," Colin Barraclough, Columbia Journalism Review, July/August 1993

Below are the telephone records from Palfrey's business. I recommend everyone download them all onto their hard drive while they still can:

"Terrorism is the health of the State."--James Redford, author of "Jesus Is an Anarchist," June 1, 2006