Aviation Companies Blame FBI, CIA And Terrorists For 9/11

Source: www.iht.com

The Associated Press
Published: May 1, 2008

NEW YORK: Aviation companies sued by the families of Sept. 11 victims for failing to safeguard air travel are in turn blaming federal investigators — arguing the Federal Aviation Administration was not alerted that al-Qaida was poised to launch terrorist attacks.

In court documents filed this week in U.S. District Court in Manhattan, aviation companies are seeking to force five FBI employees to provide testimony that may help defend against claims the companies share blame in the attacks.

"The aviation parties anticipate that the FBI witnesses' testimony will demonstrate that the FBI had information before Sept. 11 indicating that al-Qaida may have been about to launch terrorist attacks on civil aviation, which it did not timely pass along to the Federal Aviation Administration," lawyers wrote.

The airlines and aviation companies are defending themselves against lawsuits seeking billions of dollars in damages for injuries, fatalities, property damage and business losses related to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attack.

The companies in turn filed separate lawsuits against the CIA and the FBI last August to force terrorism investigators to tell whether the aviation industry was to blame for the Sept. 11 attacks.

The latest documents filed by the airlines, airport authorities, security companies and an aircraft manufacturer argue that if the FAA had known about an FBI investigation of Zacarias Moussaoui weeks before the Sept. 11 attacks, it could have amended security measures to guard against the type of terrorist attack Moussaoui was planning.

The aviation defendants said the FBI has refused to permit even a single deposition, although the agency does not deny that five potential witnesses in the case have already testified and made other public statements before the 9/11 Commission, the Moussaoui trial jury and the media.

In the lawsuit against the CIA, companies including American Airlines Inc., United Airlines Inc., US Airways Group Inc., Delta Air Lines Inc., Continental Airlines Inc. and The Boeing Co. are seeking to interview the deputy chief of the CIA's bin Laden unit in 2001, and an FBI special agent assigned to the unit at that time. The names of both are secret.

The lawyers said testimony from both agencies was critical to their defense.

"After weighing this evidence together with the criminal acts of the terrorists, the jury would be entitled to conclude that any act or omission by the aviation parties was so dwarfed by the other causal factors of the attacks that the aviation parties' conduct was not a substantial cause of the plaintiffs' injuries," the lawyers wrote.

U.S. Attorney Michael Garcia said last year that the request for depositions with FBI agents was rejected because the aviation companies didn't explain how FBI information before the attacks would relate to their defense efforts.

Garcia said much of the information was protected from disclosure, "because it involves classified national security information or matters protected by the law enforcement investigative privilege."

He also said it would be "extremely difficult and burdensome" to separate the classified information from the non-classified information and risk that some classified materials may be inadvertently disclosed.

Yusill Scribner, a spokeswoman for government lawyers in the case, said there was no comment Wednesday.

I'm guessing...

Michael Anticev, Harry Samit, and Dave Frasca.

This here is old school...

September 11th Advocates Statement re. 9/11 Commission’s Declassified Monograph on FAA Failures

February 11, 2005

September 11th was neither an intelligence failure nor was it a failure of imagination. It was nonfeasance on behalf of a whole host of government agencies, including the FAA.

Of the 105 warnings issued, 52 warnings regarding al Qaeda were given to the FAA by the intelligence community in a six month period from April 2001 to September 2001. According to the 9/11 Commission's final report, there were eight information circulars put out by the FAA between July 2, and September 10, 2001. Five of these information circulars targeted overseas threats, while the remaining three targeted domestic threats.

The 52 threats regarding al Qaeda were not received by the FAA in a vacuum. From March 2001 to September 2001, according to the Joint Inquiry of Congress, our Intelligence Community received at least 41 specific threats of a possible domestic attack by al Qaeda. Additionally, the FAA was also made aware of the August 16, 2001 arrest of Zaccarias Moussouai. Finally, the FAA attended a high level meeting on July 5, 2001 where the domestic threat posed by al Qaeda was discussed by all relevant intelligence agencies.

According to the newly released FAA monograph, in the spring of 2001 the FAA knew that if "the intent of the hijacker is not to exchange hostages for prisoners, but to commit suicide in a spectacular explosion, a domestic hijacking would probably be preferable".

The aforementioned statement is yet another indicator of how widely known it was in the national security community that al Qaeda was interested in using planes as missiles. Yet, as the historic record also widely indicates, former National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice publicly stated that she didn't think that anyone could imagine that planes could be used as missiles.

Furthermore, Ms. Rice also testified, under oath, before the 9/11 Commission, that the August 6, 2001 PDB, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in the U.S.," contained purely "historical" threat information. The revelation of the 52 warnings given to the FAA during this same time period would seem to indicate that Ms. Rice perjured herself during her testimony.

Moreover, Ms. Rice also testified that there was nothing more the U.S. government could have done during the summer of 2001 to thwart the attacks of 9/11. Yet, the newly released 9/11 Monograph states that the federal air marshal program was specifically deleted from all domestic flights during the summer of 2001 as a result of cost cutting by the airlines. Certainly, placing air marshals on domestic flights was well within the purview of Ms. Rice's own responsibilities and tasking as National Security Advisor. Why has she not been held accountable? Additionally, why has no one in the airline community been held accountable?

An FAA spokesperson asserts that the FAA didn't have specific information regarding means or methods that would have enabled them to tailor any counter measures. This statement clearly contradicts the reality detailed in this report. Stepping up security in the face of terror warnings is not a new concept for America's government agencies. The FAA testified before the 9/11 Commission that during the millennium an unknown terror plot caused them to ratchet up their security procedures. With 52 warnings, why was this not done in 2001?

The American public must not be lulled into a false sense of security. While government reports might allege that the myriad of government agencies, individuals, and institutions that failed our nation on 9/11 have been fixed post-9/11, the disturbing fact remains that after all the failures of 9/11 have been revealed, far too many of the same individuals who were unable to react appropriately to clear and abundant warnings, are still in their positions today.

Notably missing from this monograph is any information pertaining to NORAD’s failure to timely scramble jets, which leads us to wonder what else is being withheld from the public.

September 11th Advocates

Kristen Breitweiser
Patty Casazza
Monica Gabrielle
Mindy Kleinberg
Lorie Van Auken

Why isn't Dick Cheney in prison?

Great post! Thanks Jon

"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves" – Edward R. Murrow

Who woulda thought that all

Who woulda thought that all it takes is a lawsuit to turn an airline into a 9/11 truther.

Great minds ... think for themselves.

Waaaaaaaaaait a second...

You want us to give you HOW MUCH?!? We'd better find out exactly what happened here...

Why isn't Dick Cheney in prison?


That's a question people are slamming into left and right, forward and back... today, tomorrow and every day next week. Amazing what a driving force that makes to 'better find out exactly what happened here.'

"Why isn't Dick Cheney in prison?" Because Chick Needy is a crafty twit, ALREADY hidden in a cave in some undisclosed location.

Ha! If it all wasn't so

Ha! If it all wasn't so sad it would be hilarious.


great post.

Four alleged hijackers may

Four alleged hijackers may have cased Dulles on the night of 9/10. Nawaf al-Hazmi and al-Shehhi seen by Eric Gill (source Joe Trento) and Salem al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar (source declassified FBI timeline). Gill claims Nawaf al-Hazmi and al-Shehhi were wearing ramp uniforms. An alleged terrorist (Nawaf al-Hazmi) with links to the Yemen hub and the Cole plotters, on multiple watchlists at the time, possibly posing as a Dulles employee? Unreal. I think it's safe to assume the liability includes multiple agencies.

Why would the airlines settle other cases if they truly believed that FBI (or CIA) testimony would exonerate them? That doesn't make sense unless they know the fix is in and claims of national security interests will ensure the intelligence agencies never have to cooperate. Like everything related to 9/11 there is something strange about the civil suit process. I tried to stay up to date on the trials (some families did not want to settle and were hoping to get to trial in order to hopefully attain more information about what happened) but they seem to have been delayed.

From the way the FBI and CIA are acting it seems the 9/11 Commission didn't do such a thorough job after all. Hard to believe.

Well, when you are set up to

Well, when you are set up to fail, what do you expect?

Great minds ... think for themselves.


Very encouraging. I can see these investigations bringing up lots of new information.

Wilshire et al.

The deputy chief of the CIA's bin Laden unit (Alec Station) must be Tom Wilshire, although he moved from that position to being a consultant to the for the FBI in May 2001. Wilshire was involved in just about every failure before 9/11. The FBI special agent assigned to Alec Station may well be Margaret Gillespie, although other candidates could be Charles Frahm (who was involved in the Moussaoui case), Mark Rossini and Doug Miller (who attempted to warn the FBI about Almihdhar's US visa and was definitely a special agent).

Assuming the five FBI agents mentioned are separate from the above two they should be:
(1) Harry Samit, one of the lead agents in Minneapolis, who drafted a warning to the FAA saying Moussaoui and "others yet unknown" wanted to hijacker airliners;
(2) FBI Radical Fundamentalist Unit agent Michael Maltbie, who instructed that Samit's warning not be sent and then re-wrote it taking out the threat assessment;
(3) FBI Minneapolis agent Greg Jones, who realized a likely target was the WTC and whom Maltbie told not to send Samit's memo.

This is covered here:

Others could be Maltbie's boss Dave Frasca, who, upon learning Moussaoui wanted to go on jihad commented that jihad "can mean many things in various muslim cultures," his colleague Rita Flack, who read the Phoenix Memo while working on the Moussaoui case, but didn't mention it to anybody, and other people in Minneapolis, such as Rowley, or maybe one of the other agents with Samit when Moussaoui was arrested.

Check this too:
RFU delayed advising the FAA of the threat for some reason that doesn't make a lot of sense.

I would hope the 9.11

truth movement would have a list of FBI obstructionist & already have a great case documentated
against them. These guy's should be at a minimum removed from the US Goverment.

I hope Collen Rowley & other honest FBI'ers get involved in this trial.

smoke screen

When i read this article and the comments here, i have to wonder whether any of you guys has ever heard that there is strong evidence indicating that the 3 towers of the WTC where brought down by pre-planned controlled demolition.

Now if they were, this totally disprove the Al Qaeda story.

Therefore any talk about "foreknowledge", "Al aqeda" etc is just a smoke screen, that only conforts the official lie.

Frankly, if you want to succeed in exposing the truth, you should first get rid of the moles infesting this website.

You're right...

It's ludicrous to think that the knowledge of when, where, and how could ever be used beneficially by those who wish to ensure the success of the attacks.

Why isn't Dick Cheney in prison?


Those who planned the controlled demolition of the 3 towers knew exactly when, where and how there were going to do it.

Just like they planned every other aspect of the operation, including the remote-controlled flying of the planes.

If you plan an operation like 9/11 you leave nothing to chance. You certainly dont rely on incompetent pilots. They were no hijackers and no Al Qaeda plot.


I don't know what happened on 9/11. Do you?

Why isn't Dick Cheney in prison?

If you dont know what are

If you dont know what are you doing here?

I know that it couldnt possibly have been done by muslims terrorists. Therefore the forwarnings are fake too.

I know that elements within our Government....

Are suspects for the crime of 9/11. However, multiple hijackings have been done before, so to say that it "couldn't possibly have been done" is not entirely accurate. Who's to say the "hijackers" weren't patsies bought and paid for by by monies connected to this Government? Who's to say that Controlled Demolition, if that's what happened, wasn't also part of the plan? Knowing what and where something is going to happen, you could take precautions to make sure the attacks are as "catastrophic and catalyzing" as they spoke of. However, I don't have a document citing an order of that kind. I don't have access to all information to be able to say exactly what happened. That is why I am here. Because the information that exists tells me that there is a 99.99% chance that elements within our Government were complicit in the attacks, and that is wrong. Pure and simple. However, we need a real investigation to make sure exactly who was responsible.

Why isn't Dick Cheney in prison?

So, let me get this straight:

If I believe controlled demolitions brought down the towers(and I do)--I also believe there is no way possible that Al Qaida could have been used in any way whatsoever? Do I have that right?


Considering Al Qaida is a complete creation of the CIA precisely to produce patsies/decoys/what have you, combined with the the fact exploiting the Middle East was one of the ops objectives, it makes perfect sense to have Al Qaida play some sort of role. If only to muddy the waters.

Don't fall into the daft ZIHOP trap of thinking just because Arabs are being vilified for a crime they didn't commit, that means intelligence services did not use any Arab assets in any way at all.

Of course Arab assets were used in part of the op. How exactly is anyone's guess. No it was not an Al Qaida plot. It was a Neo Con plot.

Something you may be missing is the strategy behind these legal actions uses the official story as a weapon: " If X is true, then why didn't you do something?"

That is a solid strategy. It's not about being "right" in every nick picky particular. It's about winning, mate.

You do want to win, right?

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Controlled demolition of the towers
Strange piece of equipment attached on the belly of flight 175 caught on mainstream sources...
Plus the long and bloody track record of US, MI5 and mossad in false flag terorism..

Remind me again why I should take you seriously?

Great minds ... think for themselves.

Wow! You got me. I am

Wow! You got me. I am Impressed!

Bu this isnt personal. Or is it?

Answer: by yes or no: do you think that 9/11 was an Al qaeda plot?

I think it is naive of you

I think it is naive of you to proclaim so assertively that planes were remote controlled and all of your other speculation. I know that there are many questions left unanswered and we deserve to get full accountability. It doesn't matter what I THINK happened.

Great minds ... think for themselves.

What do you mean ..

What do you mean "all of my other speculations"?

Are you reffering to the controlled demolitions of which the evidence is on this very website?

And BTW pre-planned demolition very much implies remote-controlled planes, dont you think? Or do you really think the perps would have left it to lousy terrorists actuallly incapable of flying any plane?

that and others... sure, but

that and others... sure, but since you have contributed virtually nothing but slander and criticism, it's not worth my time.
Great minds ... think for themselves.

Let's start with you.

Time for a little holiday, dude.

Guess I have to wait a bit for my answer....


Not complaining--just wish I'd read down to here before writing my above post. ;-)


Just in case youre still bothering to visit and read this page , i wanted to let you know that theres alot of people out there - including myself- who totally agree with you that 6.5 years of talk about 'foreknowledge' of a fictional 'al-quaida' plot is more than enough, and seems to have served mainly as a big smokescreen for the REAL questions about that day. Such as who blew up those towers.
Heres a blog i can recommend, where you won't get banned in such a dubious way for adding 1+1 together out loud: http://www.wtcdemolition.com/blog

Isn't that that site...

Where the "Jersey Girls" are considered "fake family members", the Zionists control the world, the Holocaust and the Moon Landing never happened, 911Blogger.com is constantly badmouthed, the useless term "LIHOP" is used no differently than "kike, spic, and nigger" (words I despise), and Jon Gold is the subject of ridicule and slander at every opportunity?

Why isn't Dick Cheney in prison?

Not to mention where I was

Not to mention where I was accused of working for the Department of Homeland Security, because we share the same initials...

When anyone who knows me clearly knows I'm a secret agent for the Department of Transportation.

I mean... no I'm not.

Great minds ... think for themselves.

Don't forget...

It's also that site filled with people who constantly badmouth 911blogger.com, but also maintain accounts here just so they can vote certain people down.

Why isn't Dick Cheney in prison?

We Will Never

We Will Never Forget

Great minds ... think for themselves.

Oh look...

Zorglub joined that site, and had this to say, "I have long suspected that Jon Gold (and the "Jersey Girls") are professional con artists and 911Blogger just as fake as 911truth.org, now i know it. Did someone tell Dylan Avery about it? I was surprised to see him sitting between Gold and Van Auken in this video. Thanks to em7 for bringing me here."

Slander Jon Gold, check. Slander the "Jersey Girls", check. Badmouth 911Blogger.com, check. He should be very happy there.

Why isn't Dick Cheney in prison?


Never heard of the place.