Kyle Hence And John Judge To Appear On Air America's Clout - TONIGHT - 9PM EST


SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT: Joining John and Kyle tomorrow will be 9/11 Family Member, and "Jersey Girl", Lorie Van Auken who lost her husband Kenneth Van Auken.

This week's debate on Air America's "Clout" with Richard Greene is destined to be a special one. As it stands right now, the two confirmed "pro-Truth" guests to appear are Kyle Hence, and John Judge, the founders of 9/11 CitizensWatch. Citizenswatch was a watchdog group of the 9/11 Commission that worked alongside the 9/11 Family Steering Committee. Along with the families, they called for the resignation of Executive Director Philip Zelikow, and at one point, they started an advertising campaign "demanding that Bush, Cheney, Clinton, Gore and Rice testify publicly, and under oath before the commission." They ran "billboard advertisements in the Washington metro rail system for four weeks, as well as quarter-page ads in The Washington Post." Thus far the one confirmed guest who does NOT agree that we need another investigation is Daniel Pinchbeck, the author of 2012: The Return of Quetzalcoatl, Tarcher, 2006 and editorial director of the web magazine, Reality Sandwich. Daniel's position is that we need to move forward, not back.

9/11 CitizensWatch has appeared on C-SPAN:

6/18/2004 (RealPlayer Required)
7/22/2004 (RealPlayer Required)

Kyle Hence is the Executive Producer of "9/11: Press For Truth", and "In Their Own Words: The Untold Stories Of the 9/11 Families". John Judge has worked as the Special Projects Assistant to Rep. Cynthia McKinney of Georgia, has been a member of COPA for years, and is writing a critique of the 9/11 Commission Final Report for the 9/11 Research Center.

There are very few people in the world today that understand the problems with the 9/11 Commission as John and Kyle do. Please tell your friends, and family to listen in. As I said, this show is destined to be a special one.

I am...

So excited about this... Is it Thursday yet?

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How many people

listen to this show?

No idea...

There may be a few surprise guests... As far as tearing the 9/11 Commission and their report apart, John and Kyle are the best of the best (unbelievably, they're even better than me... hard as that is to believe.) :)

Needless to say, Kyle and John were VERY influential in my truth seeking. VERY influential. The first time I'd heard a 9/11 Truth Movement existed is when I saw 9/11 CitizensWatch on C-SPAN in June 2004 (above video).

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I am very excited about this

I am very excited about this too . . . The subject matter and the guests booked for this night are EXACTLY what Air America listeners need to hear . . . . particularly the left wing gatekeepers who refuse to even take a look into the questions of 9/11. Anyone I've ever known to give 9/11 truth a fair shake (does the research), doesn't and can't deny that elements of our government were involved in the horrors of 9/11, the lack of a real investigation into 9/11, and the cover-up following both via the 9/11 Commission, which has been acknowledged by co-chairman Lee Hamilton "was set up to fail" . . . . .

From Wikipedia: "Many in the 9/11 Truth Movement criticize the 9/11 commission as a whitewash and a cover-up, and point to comments like co-chairman Lee Hamilton stating publicly that the commission "was setup to fail" as evidence of the need for a new investigation into 9/11."

The chairmen have dropped enough hints for the mainstream media (MSM) to pick up, but sadly, they are not up to the task . . .

We should all email Howard Stern to make sure he's aware of this show . . . .

Howard, are you listening? SOMEONE in the MSM will be the first to break this story. Hustler Magazine has tried, but you have the audience, the numbers to do it. Please spend just one weekend and do the research, you will be absolutely amazed at what you discover. You may be the only person in the somewhat MSM with the kahones to expose this, the truth.

Come be a real, true patriot with us.

: )


The 9-11 Cover-Up Commission:

Whitewash as Public Service: How The 9/11 Commission Report defrauds the nation, By Benjamin DeMott (Harper's Magazine):

This looks excellent. Justin

This looks excellent.

Justin A. Martell

In a soldier's stance, I aimed my hand at the mongrel dogs who teach! Fearing not that I'd become my enemy in the instant that I preach! My pathway led by confusion boats...mutiny from stern to bow!

Can't wait...

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John Judge...

At the 2004 9/11 Omission Hearings talking about the 9/11 Commission.

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- omniadeo

William Pepper (same evening) at 7pm EST - NovaMRadio

William Pepper, author of An Act of State: The Execution of Martin Luther King will be appearing on the Jeff Farias Show at 7pm EST (Thursday, May 29 2008). The focus will be on his efforts to crack open the Sirhan Sirhan RFK case.

So tune into NovaM from 7 - 8 pm and then switch over to Richard Greene . . should be a great evening.

(citizen's watch site was also very influential and 9/11 Press For Truth is still the best intro to 9/11 truth in my humble opinion)

John and Kyle...

Are from an era of the movement when the media COMPLETELY and totally ignored us. They wouldn't even acknowledge our existence let alone try and ridicule/debunk us...

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HIGHLY recommend people watch 7/22/2004... I'm re-watching now after a long time. Wow...

Edit: WOW!

Edit Part II: I re-watched the whole thing. Kyle, John, and Ray (McGovern) were absolutely on fire. Sure, they talked about "blowback", but they also talked about complicity. John Judge is an encyclopedia. Ray McGovern's logic is so sound.

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Is the "9/11 Omission Report" released by 9/11 CitizensWatch...

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Is it Thursday...


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Some big news...

Waiting to see if I'm allowed to announce it.


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Good Job-

Looking forward to hearing these two gentlemen.


Lorie. :) Thanks.

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...Awesome that Lorie Van Auken is going to be on.

"Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. Whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government." -The Declaration of Independence

To me...

Because of the fact that they were apart of the process from beginning to end, and because they had the ear of several of the people on the Commission, as well as some of the staffers, etc... etc... the people appearing on Air America tomorrow are the "Dream Team" when it comes to discrediting the 9/11 Commission, and their report.

Good luck to Lorie, Kyle, John, and Richard.

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Speaking to what they know

I hope for the sake of the 9/11 research movement and how it will be portrayed to the outside world that John Judge stays on topic and only speaks to what he knows. He has done some great work with the 9/11 family members and 9/11 CitizensWatch, along with Rep. Cynthia McKinney with whom I have much respect, but he tends to support the Official Conspiracy Theory except for the NORAD stand down, where he seems to think this to be the only problem.

He is quite dismissive of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth and their theories, and the rest of the 9/11 research community for that matter, and asks us to trust his unnamed sources and "special friends" with incredible Gov. approved access for conspiracy researchers, to sites such as the Pentagon right after the attack, so his story goes. I'm elated though, that such a large audience will get to hear the absurdity of the Commission and its findings. I just hope John and Kyle stick to this area of which they know well. I do appreciate what they have done with 9/11 CitizensWatch.

Here is a link to some very valid questions asked of John Judge, that a lot of 9/11 researchers seem to be negligent in doing up to this point, of a very prominent conspiracy researcher, a native of DC:

"You could get a journalist cheaper than a good call girl, for a couple hundred dollars a month." - CIA operative discussing with Philip Graham, editor Washington Post, 1991 "

I've never heard...

Anyone deconstruct the 9/11 Report as eloquently and thoroughly as John Judge. In order to get a new investigation, you must first prove the original one was a sham. As I said, the three people going to be on Air America tonight are the "Dream Team" when it comes to that. Much like Richard Gage, Steven Jones, and Kevin Ryan are the "Dream Team" when it comes to how those buildings came down.

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Here is one of those sources

Here is one of those sources that supposedly does not exist:

Video of John at COPA 2004

It is about 45 min

How do you know...

His stewardess friend doesn't exist or is that just speculation? Keeping in mind, if she does exist, which I think she does, she is not the only witness to proclaim seeing plane parts.

When newscasters announced the identity of the plane involved, American Airlines Flight 77 and its Dulles/LAX route, my heart sank. A dear friend and fellow researcher had been working as a flight attendant for American for many years, and that was her regular route, several times a week. I feared she had been trapped on the plane and died in the crash. Attempts to reach her by phone that day got her answering machine, nothing more.


As it turned out, my friend had not been on Flight 77, having taken the day off work to care for her sick father, and to my relief she had survived. She had lost her entire regular crew, both pilots and all the attendants, including her best friend at work. She was immediately invited in to a series of briefings and grief counseling sessions by both the airline and the Pentagon. These briefings continue to this day. She also attended a long series of memorial events at the gravesites of her co-workers and friends following the event. Her own father died shortly after that in November. I attended his funeral service at National Cemetery and got to meet some of her American Airline co-workers.

When questions arose about Flight 77, I contacted her to raise the issues that concerned me and the speculations of others who denied the plane hit the Pentagon. She was adamant in saying it had, and told me she had been to the crash site and had seen parts of the plane. I asked her about the speculation that the plane would have made a larger hole due to the wingspan. She informed me that the fuel was stored in the wings and that they would have exploded and broken off, as the fuselage slammed through the building walls.

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Those were the allegations

Those were the allegations that Dave McGowan and others made in response to the following writing:


Don't know who Dave McGowan is. Is he someone that thinks a missile hit the Pentagon?

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Exactly. And that John

Exactly. And that John Judge is part of a disinformation campaign covering that idea up.


That's biased speculation. Look, I don't agree with John on everything... the wargames for instance... he doesn't think they're something that needs to be looked at with a magnifying glass... I haven't had that discussion with him in a while, his opinion may have changed, but we had it. He and I have talked for years, and have developed somewhat of a friendship. He has always been nice, informative, etc... with me. Always. As has Kyle been. I don't have a "problem" with either of them (obviously). I was on a conference call last night with some "elders" of the movement, and I told them I was getting flack for having John Judge on Air America. I asked these "elders" of the movement if any of them had a problem with John Judge, and they all said very quickly, "nope".

With regards to obliterating the 9/11 Report... I honestly can't think of anyone better. If I could, that person would be on the air, and not John. If that person couldn't make it, I would then ask John.

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I think it is worse than

I think that it is worse than speculation. It is more like character assassination.

John, in my experience, is someone who has always been consistent and honest. He is certainly someone you can disagree with in a constructive way. I have had email correspondence with him in the past and he has always been very thoughtful with his responses. I worked with Kyle on 9/11 PFT and my opinion of him is as equally positive as of John.

I found it very interesting that both John and Robin Hordon, another person I find credible from one-on-one correspondance, had similar opinions about the war games and how too much significance is being put on them.

You are correct...

I had the same conversation with Robin Hordon. However...

In Richard Clarke's book, he mentions a conversation between he and Richard Myers, where he asks Myers if any planes have been sent up to intercept, and Myers replies (not verbatim), "It's not a pretty picture Dick. We're in the middle of Vigilant Warrior, a NORAD exercise..."

That negative response regarding intercepts, mentioning the wargames in the same sentence, indicates to me that the wargames may have impeded a response.

How many wargames were taking place that day? How many did the 9/11 Report mention? The 9/11 Commission was mandated to give a "full & complete accounting" of the 9/11 attacks, and only mentioned one of the wargames, and if I remember correctly, described it incorrectly.

How many reports are there citing "confusion"... people not knowing if what was happening was "real world", etc... there are several.

Eberhardt said the wargames helped the response time, however, none of the planes were intercepted, so I don't know how he can make that claim.

Was the "Doomsday" plane sighted over D.C. part of the exercises that were taking place that morning?

There is certainly enough reason to think the wargames should be an area of interest. I wouldn't simply brush them aside.

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I agee with you

Jon. I think we lost a real asset in the quest for the truth when Michael Ruppert left the states. Here is a guy that was an expert criminal investigator, and looked at 9/11 as just that. His book Crossing the Rubicon was great.

yea he made a solid case

yea he made a solid case without mention any buildings. and while people were still thinking abiotic oil was a fact.


Just the fact that these "war-games" took place while the UN General Assembly and
the Carlyle Groups investor-meeting where in session is reason to be suspicious .
Are we really to believe that such events don't have any security ?
"Listen carefully now : DO NOT DESTROY OIL-WELLS" Dubya


May I ask who made the audio of the conversation with John and what time of year it occurred.

This is a great opportunity

This is a great opportunity go get some very powerful information on the air. I suspect many of us will learn a thing or two.

Great minds ... think for themselves.


I was going to post a long long reply about John's credibility and that absolutely farcical link posted by someone about an 'intervention' with John in Kraemers, but I refrain. I'm glad to see Jon Gold and others backing John here.

With regards to John's friend who is a stewardess, I have met her, know her and have talked to her about it. For god's sake people, can you imagine if you lost your best friend in a tragedy like that, would you be discussing it in public and shouting it from the rooftops just to stop some theory about a missile going into the Pentagon? Good God.
The flack this woman has got on the web is absolutely disgraceful and quite frankly baseless terrible 'research'. It amounts to gossip and nothing more. If you want to hear her talk about 9/11 you can get the dvd of COPA 2004 (I think) or maybe 2002 from justice vision. They have a table of contents of the dvds which you can check out.

It really is a shame that there are such ignorant people in the 9/11 truth movement (which largely is full of good people) that are so needlessly paranoid and egotistical to think that if someone doesn't believe the same thing they do that they are either a plant or a fool. The need for conformity within the movement is stifling and is costing 9/11 Truth a lot of support. It is the chief reason why I just can't get fully into the movement.
If you want me to write a large rebuttal to that 'intervention' with John, I'll do it, but to anyone with a clear mind it is apparent that it is a ridiculous farce of a statement and a slander upon John.

I was in Kraemers once when he talked to 9/11 truthers, and I may well be on the linked audio. If there is a guy towards the end bringing over a book called 'rubble' and suggests that everyone read it, then that is me.

John is a nice guy, a good guy and a thorough guy.

All the best,

As I said...

I have always respected John... sometimes when he gets going... he is REALLY good.

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Edit: GO LORIE!!!

Edit Part II: Do they give awards for the opening of a radio show?

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Alien Technology

The opposition is high on something again.

"My concern is provoking . . . I mean waving the red flag infront of the Bull . . . . the vibe around the whole 9/11 thing is holding a kinda fear bandwidth . . "


Did great.

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slam dunk

Judge and Hence just owned Wick in the last half hour here "a fruitful road" indeed lol

EDIT: Jon, you got there a minute before me and used similar verbage.....werid =)

What does Ron Wieck...

Do when he gets owned? He agrees... yet, he just loves to call us nuts... by the way, he was owned on EVERYTHING.

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Ron Wieck: FBI Investigation

Ron Wieck made the point on how comprehensive the FBI investigation was into the 9/11 attacks. However, FBI Director Robert Mueller stated,

"The hijackers also left no paper trail. In our investigation, we have not uncovered a single piece of paper – either here in the U.S. or in the treasure trove of information that has turned up in Afghanistan and elsewhere – that mentioned any aspect of the September 11th plot."

If the FBI investigation was comprehensive, but they were not able to discover a single piece of paper referencing the 9/11 attacks, shouldn't this create doubt about the official story.

I missed it.

Will someone post a recording of the show here or can we get it at Air America's website?

I got to hear it.


Let down.

Seems a little strange. I think we've been had. Why would he have on a guest, Daniel Pinchbeck, who wants nothing to do with 9/11?? Either Richard Greene is one of the worst radio hosts of all time, or he isn't interested in having intelligent discussions of 9/11. This past month was a waste for the most part. If he is legitimately interested in the Truth why would he stop in June?? I felt every episode was a let down. I mean he didn't even post the blog on his site until after the show was over and some guy interested in magic mushrooms was first on the post?? We're going to have to push elsewhere for more publicity in my opinion.

There were...

DEFINITELY problems with this show... Daniel shouldn't even have been on, and he CERTAINLY shouldn't have gotten the time he did considering John and Kyle were the HEADLINERS.

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Pinchbeck made me miss Ron

Pinchbeck made me miss Ron Wieck. Quetzalcoatl was certainly not "in on it".

that was a solid show!

the series ended with a bang in my opinion. and very little Ron Wieck (who made another ass of himself right out the gate LMFAO)

it's funny that Daniel Pinchbeck didn't wanna be on with Ron, due to (at least from what I gathered), Ron's shitty psychic transmissions or something to that effect. everyone did fantastic, and I love listening to Lorie Van Auken speak. what an amazing and brave woman!

Lorie was great...

And so were Kyle and John... they should REALLY have been given more time.

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If you gave Ron Wieck an

If you gave Ron Wieck an enema you could fit him in a matchbox!

Justin A. Martell

In a soldier's stance, I aimed my hand at the mongrel dogs who teach! Fearing not that I'd become my enemy in the instant that I preach! My pathway led by confusion boats...mutiny from stern to bow!


Kyle Hence vs. Ron Wieck = Kyle Hence
John Judge vs. Ron Wieck = John Judge
Spritual Guy vs. Ron Wieck = Spritual Guy

Ron Wieck final tally = 0 wins 3 losses.

That's a good night.

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Frankly, I thought Ron Wieck

Frankly, I thought Ron Wieck made more sense than the spiritual guy. Even if he tried to rely on tiresome strawmen, like the "7,000 FBI Agents", who only to SOME conspiracy theorists, but many more "debunkers", must have been in on it in order for a 911 to be a government conspiracy.

John Judge is awesome. I wonder why Wieck doesn't invite him on his show? I wish some of the more careless 911 Truthers would also give Judge a listen. Or they can start by reading Judge's "Not all conspiracy theories are equal."

Yes he is...

And I wish people would start inviting him to speak... A LOT. The spiritual guy shouldn't have been on, and it should have been 2 hours of debate, and making Ron Wieck look like the fool that he is. I wouldn't ask John to go on Hardfire for $1,000,000.00. It isn't worth his time.

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That I've had some time for the show to digest, I can write a "review".

I worked very hard to give Richard Greene the best possible guests he could have had for this topic. I gave him the formula for what could have been an award winning show. Instead, he decided to have someone on that had a hard time making coherent statements (what does it mean when the opposition comes across crazier than the "9/11 Truthers?"), and he gave that someone the majority of the show even though Kyle Hence and John Judge were listed, and promoted as the headliners.

I honestly don't know what Richard was thinking. Suffice to say, I'm a little perturbed.

When the discussion was about the ridiculousness of the 9/11 Commission, and 9/11 itself, Lorie, John, and Kyle were fantastic as far as I'm concerned. A positive that I hope will come out of this show is that maybe people will realize the value of John and Kyle's knowledge, and start inviting them to speak. As we found out, just as we did with Peter Dale Scott, when Ron Wieck is confronted with facts as opposed to theory and speculation, he gets scared, and tries to get the opposition to declare a "narrative" that he's comfortable debating (9/11 was an inside job, the buildings were brought down by Controlled Demolition, etc...). He also makes ridiculous claims about how everyone in every agency must have been involved as opposed to just singling out the "higher-ups" making the detrimental decisions. Sorry Ron, but not everyone in Government is a criminal. Ron Wieck has shown the world that he is nothing more than a blowhard, and he has also shown the world that the debunkers "cause" is misguided, meaningless, and as far as I'm concerned, traitorous.

Thank you to Lorie, John, and Kyle for making the time for last night's show. I am sorry to everyone else that it wasn't as good as it could have been. I tried.

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Well done Jon,

This was very well organized and a huge success. Congratulations.

Thank you.

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Likes to make our arguments for us so as to easily knock them down...

Ron Wieck: The fantacist truthers think that the sky is orange, but as we can all clearly see, the sky is blue.

9/11 Truther: No Ron, that is not what we said. We said that sometimes when the sun goes down, the sky can appear to be orange.

Ron Wieck, stick to having the nuts that claim to be apart of this movement on your show so as to portray the entire movement as nuts. You are out of your league otherwise. WAY out of your league.

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AAR...a Trojan Horse

Another oddity in my path crossing the various events of the attacks on 9/11 is that I was talking to folks when the AAR radio network/product was being formed, and I know most of the talent on most of the start-up shows. Additionally, I have had jobs that have allowed me to listen to most AAR shows from the beginning, most noteably Franken's show run in which he expressed some very volatile views about his true allegiances to this country.

I have had a bit less contact with the network since moving to Seattle the last few years. However, it is no surprise to me that Malloy was booted, and that Randi, a far louder voice about 9/11 than Green will ever be, got tossed...again, easily predicted by me. They each were deeply uncomfortable with the true mission of AAR...which also has allegiance elswhere as Franken noted above. Randi and Mike were not comfortable in changing their sensibilities to those required by the mission of AAR...they are big into free speech.

There are just two points that I will make about the PREDICTABLE outcome [and it happened] and concern with AAR's and Richard Green's handling of these "9/11 Shows".

Lately, too many folks are getting into this "Week of Truth", or "Month of Truth", and I see Green's work to have the same effect with his "Month of Thursday nights of Radio Show Truth"...they EACH assign themselves their OWN ending date. And too many Truthers buy into this self terminationing [new word], and the cointelpros and the HI PERPS, who would desperately like us to go away, hope that it actually happens. Cointelpro has perfected the concept that if you can get the outfit to destroy itself from within, then the agency only needs to watch the self destruction and play only minor incendiary roles.

When I speak to folks about what I am up to, I state that I am in my fourth decade in the peace movement, my first decade in the 9/11 Truth Movement, and my first year in the CI...Civil Informationing Movement. Patience is a virtue say the least.

The events of 9/11 are by far the worst and deepest self inflicted event that has ever happened to this country by this country, it has had the largest affect upon the world [with the exceptions of Nukeing Hiroshima and Nagasaki], and the tenacity with which the wide variety of HI PERPS will block our research has never been more determined. This is a long haul and I think that this is a good thing in some ways. Someday we WILL turn "Remember 9/11" fully on its ear to have it come to define a very, very bad government, military industrial complex, mega oil company and corporatocracy gone terribly bad and turning upon their own constituents. This will take time...and more work than what happens on little radio shows every Thursday...for a month.

Second, more may come out on 911Blogger about the process of BRACKETTING if my blog about Scotty McClellan [sp] bracketting the "war discussion" short of the attacks on 9/11 makes it onto 911blogger Prime Time. From my view, and from what I have heard about Green's work, and the fact that I predicted this happening before it happened, there is absolutely NO DOUBT that Green, knowingly or unknowingly, is doing whatever he can to "bracket", or limit the width and depth of discussion and research into 9/11...again, for the same reasons at the foundation and mission of AAR from the get-go.

Bracketting is accomplished by someone, or some "investigation", establishing the position that what they are doing, or who they are, are the "final word", the final week", the "final month", the "final report", or in this case, the final radio show, of anything to do with the subject at hand...the subject here being 9/11 Truth. This process is used all the time by nefarious folks, or people who want to get control of, or steer, the discussions or considerations at hand in one direction or another. I KNOW that everyone in the 9/11 Truth Movement actually "gets this" in general. Unfortunately, what I see specifically is that way too many Truthers keep taking the eggs out of the 9/11 egg carton and putting them into yet another basket. This is why I do not support any particular candidate for anything...9/11 Truth is FAR bigger than these fringe types. And I depend only upon us Truthers as a collective.

The single reason that the 9/11 Truth Movement remains viable and unstoppable is because it is NOT hiearchal [sp]. Green and others will try to become the point of the pyramid in such hiearchies With great certainty, they will try to make not only Truthers, but the public at large think that there is no longer any interest in the events of 9/11. Such are their deflate the 9/11 activists and to let the public think that there is not even enough interest in seeking 9/11Truth to even sustain a cheesy radio show.

It was no surprise to me [predicted and executed perfectly by Green] that the fellow Ron somebody? was "suddenly available" as an opposing voice on the radio shows when it had been established that there was no opposition beforehand. Or that this Ron guy got more "mic time" than anyone else. So, here is my clue...other than my long observed understanding that AAR is up to something OPPOSITE of its public face.

AAR operates on Manhattan, Richard Green works on Manhattan, Ron whoever operates on Manhattan, Manhattan is the "hotspot" in 9/11 Truth seeking for RIGHT NOW [Gage-Jones et al], and this current focus affects residents, politics, real estate commerce, and finacial aspects on Manhattan in big, big ways. Many inhabitants on Manhattan are deeply troubled by the possibility of the truth coming will ruin their worlds.

So, the best way to control all of this is for them to keep your enemies closer than your friends. Its pretty basic folks...this tactic has been used for centuries.

Air America Radio was a Trojan Horse from the get-go. The inside "quid-pro-quo" between the station and Al Franken, [without whose showbiz fame, the radio thingy would not have even gotten off the ground], was that for his few years on air, he would use AAR to expand his national visibility in order to set the stage for his run for Senate in Minnnesota. THAT's the unspoken reality of AAR...something VERY important to Mahattan residents.

BTW...Franken NEVER talked about 9/11...except diminishingly in that he didn't get "the phione calls", and also, he NEVER talked about voting irregularities which are rampant all across the country. HMMMM? So, he too is NOT what is the public image.

Yes, I have heard Green speak, yes I have talked to him briefly and he is a "deer in the headlights" puppet of AAR, and YES, since I am out on the street amongst regular folks every week bannering and flyering for 9/11 Truh and PEACE, I know full well that more people are more open to looking at 9/11 than ever before. Most foks really "know" that something is awry...and more and more are asking for information. This is the truth that AAR is trying to stop in its tracks...

So, Truthers, your choice here...accept all these hiearchal Trojan Horses...or keep up the localized brilliant work that we are all doing by surfing the growing 9 /11 Truth wave...soon to be a tsunami. Its happening more and more...and conversely, more and more attempts will be made to "corral the 9/11 horses" in many, many unique ways...such as what Green has fraudulently tried to accomplish. Green is not at all brighter than most Truthers...period!

All the paragraphs above are connected much, much more than you might think. Lets keep moving and lets NOT get "bracketed" by anyone. Lets be wiser and use all the upcoming opportunities to meet our own standards.

All in all, the AAR effort is a worthy one when seen as a "learning moment", and I'm glad that it happened. Much good will come from this as long as we learn to quickly see these pesky horses with big bellies.

Thanks for your time in reading this.

Robin Hordon

Well said.

Keep up the good work.

Truth Will Prevail

The Truth Movement Will Not End.

I agree that we are in this for the long haul. I think the key to opening people up to the truth is to show them the collapse of WTC 7. My experience is that when people see this, they are amazed that they didn't know about it, and then they begin to wonder. This plants a fertile seed that something is very wrong. There are so many other anomalies that are glaring and critical that you may think otherwise, and that is ok. I just think we need to give the key point that starts the wheels turning for those who are not on board. To me, it is WTC 7.

I also like to think of it as a triage approach. Some are too far gone, some are mostly already on board, and the third category is those we should work on. Those who are rational, but have yet to be exposed to the anomalies like WTC 7. If they are not receptive after seeing that, then I suggest you move on to someone else.


Couldn't agree more

The Eleventh Day of Every Month


"Lately, too many folks are getting into this "Week of Truth", or "Month of Truth", and I see Green's work to have the same effect with his "Month of Thursday nights of Radio Show Truth"...they EACH assign themselves their OWN ending date. And too many Truthers buy into this self terminationing [new word], and the cointelpros and the HI PERPS, who would desperately like us to go away, hope that it actually happens. Cointelpro has perfected the concept that if you can get the outfit to destroy itself from within, then the agency only needs to watch the self destruction and play only minor incendiary roles.

When I speak to folks about what I am up to, I state that I am in my fourth decade in the peace movement, my first decade in the 9/11 Truth Movement, and my first year in the CI...Civil Informationing Movement. Patience is a virtue say the least."

Have to agree... well said.

I'm glad to see some of the guests that were interviewed, but I wasn't entirely thrilled (to put it mildly) with some of the representation. But my views on this have already been made clear elsewhere.

As a side note, I don't believe in "weeks" or "months" of truth; and I think this is the case for most. I believe in 9/11 truth now--and no apologies for how long it takes to get it. Of course, coordinated efforts to get the truth out are important, but regardless of your opinions on the success (or not) of some of these radio shows and other initiatives, the effort must continue, and only by getting AS MANY AS POSSIBLE involved in ACTIVISM, will the movement be successful.
Arabesque: 911 Truth


Can anyone point me to someplace where I can listen to the show? Did anyone record it?

After listening to this for a third time...

I think this was a great show. I'm sorry that I badmouthed Daniel Pinchbeck. I could listen to Kyle and John wipe the floor with Ron 1000x. Ron talks about the NIST report being 10,000 pages long as if that means because there are SO MANY pages, we HAVE to trust what it says. Quantity does not equal quality.

Why isn't Dick Cheney in prison?

I just heard it and WTF, I

I just heard it and WTF, I don't agree with his statements about "Peak Oil" and "Man-made" Global Warming etc, but I'm willing to let those go... BUT ALIENS! WHAT?! I do find the possibility of other intelligent life in the Universe to be a very strong one, and it's an interesting subject, BUT to mix it with 9/11 Truth is absolutely foolish given the very "kooky UFO, Elvis, Bigfoot, Moon Landing etc etc" stereotype that we're all struggling against and trying to smash in relation to 9/11 Truth. It's completely foolish and untactful.

Also, again WTF! Some of what this guy is talking about it making me SICK "9/11 was necessary and not a negative or positive thing" - WHAT?! And he's got a book about "2012" and all that sh!t. This clown is better associated with freakshows like Paula Gloria than the 9/11 Truth Movement.



Why isn't Dick Cheney in prison?

I agree...

That Daniel should not have been on, and it should have been Kyle, John, Lorie vs. Ron (although it makes me nauseas to think of Lorie sharing the airwaves with someone like Ron Wieck). I would have MUCH PREFERRED Kyle, John, and Lorie vs. Lee Hamilton, Tom Kean, Philip Zelikow. Of course, they're too cowardly to take part in that kind of debate.

Keep in mind DBLS that we also tried to get Debra Burlingame to appear to tell her side. Richard spent 45 minutes on the phone with her, and she declined.

How did Lorie, Kyle, and John do DBLS?

Why isn't Dick Cheney in prison?

I thought they were

I thought they were fantastic, it's just a shame they're appearances were interspersed with Mr "Aliens and UFOs are great and in 2012 you'll see my hippy BS come true... ps 9/11 was 'necessary' and I'll say that while in the company of a victim’s family member". That clown was a joke, but in the end I think he actually ascribed himself to "blowback" a far as 9/11 goes so maybe that created enough distance for the audience to not associate him with the Truth Movement. Still though I don’t know what Richard Greene is thinking by wanting that guy back on his show, because while he’s perhaps interesting that type of guest is better suited for “wacky” shows like Coast to Coast and Jeff Rense, not something that wants to and should be taken seriously like Clout.


Pinchbeck's faux pas, was an ego thing. He wrote back in 2000 that he thought of the trade center towers as a tuning fork for aggressive world finance and so he envisioned the destruction of such to be a symbol of freedom. Which signifies obviously he has very little idea of world power structures, and he apparently has the luxury of being able to transcend the need for that knowledge.

Here is a special mix...

Of the off air comments, and the remainder of the show...

Why isn't Dick Cheney in prison?