Financial Times Covers 9/11 Truth - "The Truth is Out There" & "What Happened to Building 7?"

The truth is out there

By Peter Barber - Published: June 7 2008

When Cynthia McKinney speaks the words of Martin Luther King Jr, they resound through the church with some of King’s cadence. “A time comes,” declares the former US congresswoman from Georgia, “when silence is betrayal.” The congregation answers with whoops and calls of “That’s right!” King was talking about America’s war in Vietnam. More than 40 years later, before the packed pews of the Immanuel Presbyterian Church in Los Angeles, McKinney is speaking of the American government’s war on its own people. The shock and awe phase of this conflict, we had been told earlier, began on September 11 2001, when the Bush administration launched attacks on New York and Washington, or at least waved them through.

According to a show of hands that February afternoon, several hundred people in the immaculate church believe this to be true. Some came in T-shirts bearing the words “9/11 was an inside job”. One wore a badge demanding that you “Examine your assumptions”. Quite a few bought the DVDs on sale in the foyer, most of which bore photographs of the Twin Towers spewing smoke. They had all come to hear the message of Architects, Engineers & Scientists for 9/11 Truth, one of the dozens of groups across the US which campaign to persuade us that everything we think we know about 9/11 is wrong.

Last winter, “Investigate 9/11” banners seemed to be popping up all over the place. Bill Clinton was heckled by “truthers” in Denver while campaigning for his wife. Truthers picketed the Academy Awards in LA – despite this year’s winner of the best actress Oscar, Marion Cotillard, reportedly being one of them. But then, she’s French. Literature lovers in that country pushed Thierry Meyssan’s L’Effroyable imposture (The Appalling Fraud) – which asserts that 9/11 was a government plot to justify invading Iraq and Afghanistan and increase military spending – to the top of the bestseller list in 2002.

Country music star Willie Nelson is assuredly not French, but a week or so before the Oscars he described as naive the notion that the “implosion” of the Twin Towers was caused by crashing jets. Meanwhile the European Parliament screened the Italian documentary Zero, in which Gore Vidal, Italian playwright Dario Fo, and Italian MEP Giulietto Chiesa blame the US government, not al-Qaeda, for 9/11. The following month, Japanese MP Yukihisa Fujita raised his own doubts about the official story at a seminar in Sydney. A busy season for the “9/11 Truth” movement.

The events of 9/11 were recorded in many thousands of images, from crisp agency photographs to amateur camcorder footage. Every recorded trail of smoke, every spray of sparks is pored over by an army of sceptics, collectively described as the 9/11 Truth movement. They believe that the key to the mystery is hidden somewhere within the pictures, just as some people think that clues are contained in the Zapruder film which captured the moment of John F. Kennedy’s assassination. Allied against them is a smaller group of rival bloggers who have taken it upon themselves to debunk what they claim are dangerous conspiracy theories.

There is some evidence that the truthers are swaying the rest of us. A New York Times/CBS News poll in 2006 revealed that only 16 per cent of Americans polled believed the Bush administration was telling the truth about 9/11. More than half thought it was “hiding something”. This is not the same as believing the government actually launched the attacks, but a Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll the same year found that more than a third of those questioned suspected that federal officials assisted in the attacks or took no action to stop them so that the US could go to war.

The truthers certainly believe that they are on a roll. The crowd in the Immanuel Presbyterian Church seemed electrified. As the donated sound system pumped out angry rap, a giant video screen showed images of protesters demanding a new investigation into 9/11. The symbols and the language were borrowed from the civil rights struggle, but the truthers are an eclectic group, including anti-Bush, anti-war liberals and anti-government libertarians. A young man in a “Vote Ron Paul” T-shirt scuttled through the hall, filming us as we took our seats on wooden pews.

First up was Richard Gage, a San Francisco architect who founded Architects, Engineers & Scientists for 9/11 Truth, which now claims to have 379 professional members. Gage told us that the collapse of the Twin Towers could not have been due merely to gravity, the impact of the airliners and the resulting jet fuel fires – which would not have been hot enough to weaken the steel sufficiently. Behind him on the video screen was the south tower of the World Trade Center. Smoke poured from its upper floors. A respectful silence fell over the audience, followed by gasps as the building appeared to dissolve before our eyes.

While I have seen this footage countless times, it seems that I had clearly never understood what I was seeing. The destruction of the Twin Towers, along with the collapse of the nearby 47-storey World Trade Center 7 building, had all the hallmarks of controlled demolition, according to Gage. They all came straight down, almost at the speed of a free-falling object, right into their own footprints. Steel-framed buildings had never collapsed because of fires before. On this day three did, one of which, “Building 7”, was not even hit by an aircraft.

Gage, who had worked himself into a fever, exhorted the audience to stand up and be counted: “A country is at stake.” Then he welcomed on to the stage the star of the evening, Steven Jones. A softly spoken physicist, Jones is the movement’s designated martyr and seems to promise what the truthers so desperately need: scientific credibility.

Jones entered into truther lore in 2006 when he was put into early retirement by Brigham Young University in Utah after giving public lectures on his paper “Why indeed did the WTC buildings collapse?”, which he published on the website of the university’s physics department. Jones contended that the towers were demolished by cutter charges which had been placed throughout the buildings, probably involving an incendiary called thermite. BYU’s College of Physical and Mathematical Sciences and the structural engineering faculty, followed by the university administration, disowned him.

Still, Jones is no fool. He has published more than 50 scholarly papers, including pieces on cold nuclear fusion in journals such as Scientific American and Nature. He invented a cooker which uses solar power and has donated models to poor families in the developing world. Jones tells us he believes laboratory testing of dust from Ground Zero will reveal residue from a thermite reaction.

As soon as the seminar is over, Jones is mobbed by people asking him to pose for photos and offering their own views on the 9/11 plot, as well as others such as the presence above our heads of chemtrails (deadly toxins sprayed by unidentified aircraft, which some believe are part of a secret global depopulation programme). This is the world Jones now inhabits – it seems a long way from a Utah physics department. I ask him later by phone if he has any regrets about publishing that fateful paper: “No regrets. I’ve thought of Galileo a few times. He got a little worse than I did, I suppose.”

Jones is typical of many 9/11 researchers in that the subject has taken over his professional life. Down the coast in Santa Barbara is another of the movement’s luminaries. On the beach at Isla Vista, one of the most expensive real-estate spots in the US, lives David Ray Griffin, a former theology professor. As his dogs scratch excitedly on the sliding door, Griffin explains that America’s primary faith is not Christianity, but nationalism. “Other countries do really terrible things. Our leaders never would. And that [belief] has been the biggest impediment to getting people to look at the evidence, because they just know a priori that that is ridiculous.”

Griffin now thinks the evidence to the contrary is incontrovertible. Until 2002, he had busied himself far from the rancour of public controversy writing rather obscure philosophical books and teaching philosophy of religion at the Claremont School of Theology. But the course of his research changed abruptly when he heard a visiting British theologian question the official account of 9/11. Two years later, Griffin’s The New Pearl Harbor, with a foreword by British MP Michael Meacher, became a touchstone in the 9/11 Truth movement. He has since written others, including one detailing the “omissions and distortions” of the 9/11 Commission, the report of which fits the definition of “conspiracy theory” neatly, he says. “They started with the conclusion that al-Qaeda did it and didn’t even consider the alternative that it was an inside job.”

Griffin was a script consultant on Loose Change Final Cut, part of the internet phenomenon that set off the current explosion of low-budget 9/11 DVDs. The previous version was viewed more than 10 million times on Google Video, according to Vanity Fair. In 2002, armed only with a laptop and off-the-shelf video production software, Dylan Avery, an 18-year-old resident of Oneonta, New York, set about making a fictional film about discovering, with his friends, that 9/11 was orchestrated by the US government. At some point in his research, Avery had a “Dude, this shit is real!” moment and Loose Change entered the realm of agit-prop documentary. Final Cut makes a bold new allegation: the Twin Towers were packed with deadly asbestos, which would have cost billions to clean up. “If you bring down the buildings,” says Griffin, “not only do you not have to pay ... to clean them up, somebody is going to make billions of dollars on the insurance.”

September 11 as insurance job? This seems to expand the circle of conspirators somewhat. Griffin ventures another possible explanation: the psychological impact. “You had these massive explosions, which rather looked like a nuclear blast,” he says. “That’s always been the deep fear of America. In the run-up to the Iraq war, that’s what they were talking about – we cannot wait until we have a nuclear cloud.”

Griffin offers one further speculation, this time on a question which is controversial even among 9/11 sceptics: what hit the Pentagon? Thierry Meyssan was the first to claim that it was not Flight 77 – an American Airlines 757 carrying 64 passengers – but a cruise missile that hit the west wall of the Pentagon at 9.37am on September 11. Websites have followed suit, pointing to the apparent lack of plane debris on the Pentagon lawn and the fact that the hole left in the outer ring of the building looks too small to accommodate the wingspan of a 757. Retired US Air Force captain Russ Wittenberg from Pilots for 9/11 Truth asserted that no inexperienced pilot could have performed the manoeuvre the 9/11 Commission concluded that al-Qaeda conspirator Hani Hanjour pulled off that morning: a 330° turn, 2,200ft descent, a full-throttle dive and then a 530 miles per hour plunge at ground level into the Pentagon. Call it “the magic plane theory”: doubters believe that, just as the bullet that killed Kennedy appeared to defy the laws of physics, so the plane that struck the Pentagon was like no other in existence.

And just as Nasa was forced to counter claims the moon landings were faked, these and other claims have forced the US State Department into the debunking business. Its Identifying Misinformation website states that debris from Flight 77 was indeed recovered, as were the remains of passengers and crew. Many witnesses saw the plane come in, and a number of passengers made phone calls to their loved ones telling them their flight had been hijacked.

There is also another obvious problem: if a missile hit the Pentagon, what happened to Flight 77? “There was a rumour that an airliner had gone down on the Ohio/Kentucky border and that was taken very seriously early on by the Federal Aviation Authority,” says Griffin. It later rejected the story. But Griffin claims the only evidence that Flight 77 was aloft after that was an alleged phone call from Barbara Olsen to Ted Olsen, the solicitor-general of the United States.

So how does he explain that phone call? Ted Olsen is a Bush administration insider, he says. Another possible answer, though, is “voice-morphing technology”. This would also explain the flurry of phone calls from United Airlines Flight 93, which, as the official story has it, crashed in a Pennsylvania field after passengers revolted against their hijackers.

It’s not just supporters of the official story who roll their eyes at these claims. They put Griffin in the camp of the “no-planers”, at least as far as the attack on the Pentagon is concerned. The no-planers enrage the rest of the truthers, who accuse them of sabotaging the credibility of the movement. The claim that no plane hit the Pentagon is a Trojan horse, they say – disinformation that serves the conspirators. Some – such as former MI5 whistleblower David Shayler – have even asserted that no planes, but missiles disguised by “cloaking technology”, hit the Twin Towers. Shayler, incidentally, proclaimed himself the Messiah last year.

If the 9/11 truth movement is fighting a kind of asymmetric war against official sources of knowledge, it is also battling itself. As the movement morphs into an international activist group, it recognises that if it is to convince middle Americans, it must distance itself from its exotic fringe. Once, it was the Mihops versus the Lihops. These factions, who sound like warring species from an H.G. Wells story, are those who believe the government Made It Happen On Purpose and those who think it Let It Happen On Purpose. The Mihops are in the ascendancy.

The genesis of all this can be traced back to a schism that followed the first real attempt to bring scholarly credibility to the 9/11 sceptics. In 2005, Steven Jones was invited to form a group called Scholars for 9/11 Truth by James Fetzer, a professor in the philosophy department at the University of Minnesota and the author of some 20 books on the philosophy of science and artificial intelligence. Fetzer teaches critical thinking, and is nothing if not critical. He has been campaigning for more than a decade to prove that the Zapruder film is a hoax perpetuated by the same government intelligence agencies that orchestrated JFK’s assassination.

But within a year, Jones had written to all members of Scholars announcing that he and others no longer wanted to be associated with Fetzer, who was, in the rebels’ opinion, holding them up to ridicule. Fetzer had backed a theory by Judy Wood, a former assistant professor in mechanical engineering at Clemson University, proposing that the Twin Towers were brought down by a “directed energy” weapon developed as part of the US government’s Star Wars programme. It prompted a stampede to a new group, Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice, headed by Jones. Confusing the two groups would be like mistaking Monty Python’s Judean People’s Front for the People’s Front of Judea: this was a major doctrinal split.

Fetzer’s view is that any serious inquiry into what happened on 9/11 should look at all possibilities. Supporters of the directed energy hypothesis keep popping up at 9/11 Truth lectures to heckle what Python fans might call the “splittist” thermite theorists. Among the advocates of the Star Wars theory is Morgan Reynolds, perhaps the first prominent US government official to claim that 9/11 was an inside job. At the time of the attacks, Reynolds was chief economist at the US Department of Labor.

Some Star Wars supporters, in turn, accuse proponents of the thermite hypothesis of being government shills. One, on CheckTheEvidence.com, alleges that Jones’s public denunciation of Star Wars theories is actually a Trojan horse; he notes that Jones once worked at Los Alamos, where directed energy weapons are researched. This line of conjecture also entangles Norman Mineta, US transportation secretary on September 11 2001. Mineta was the man who grounded all civilian aircraft on that morning. But he was also once vice-president of Lockheed Martin, a founding member of the Directed Energy Professional Society ... In this outer reach of the blogosphere, no one is ever more than six degrees of separation from the heart of the conspiracy.

Jones did, in fact, do post-doctoral research at the Los Alamos Meson Physics Facility for the University of Wyoming, but he says it was peaceful and non-weapons-related. He says the more out-there theories, including those of the no-planers, are harming the movement. “First, they discourage others who are trying to do serious work, and they tend to be quite vocal about their heckling,” he says. “More serious is that when we’re really trying to look at an evidence-based approach, we get lumped in with these people and then dismissed as a whole.”

Two days before Jones’s lecture in LA, his erstwhile colleague was taking his own campaign on the road on the other side of the country. After addressing Student Scholars for 9/11 Truth in New Hampshire, Fetzer was off to that seat of academic respectability, Yale University. To prepare for our meeting, I watched a DVD of a 9/11 symposium he held in his new hometown of Madison, Wisconsin last year. The star of this show was Alfred Lambremont Webre, a judge on former Malaysian prime minister Mahathir Mohamad’s alternative international War Crimes Tribunal in Kuala Lumpur and co-author of the Space Preservation Treaty. He delivers what might be the most momentous opening line in the history of town hall seminars. “Fellow Citizens... 9/11 was a false flag operation by an international war crimes racketeering organisation to provide a pretext to engage in a genocidal and ecocidal depleted uranium bombing of central Asia, Afghanistan and Iraq in order to secure vast oil and uranium reserves; to roll out a terror-based national security state system worldwide and ... to implement the final stages of a world depopulation policy.” There are two more “false flag” operations in the pipeline, he says. The first is the war against asteroids, the second the “war against the evil aliens”.

Hearing this, you either experience the thrill of revelation or the sinking feeling that the person you are listening to is having some kind of breakdown. Within 30 minutes, Webre has folded into the 9/11 plot the Skull & Bones society at Yale University – or the “Brotherhood of Death”, as he calls it – neocon think-thank the Council on Foreign Relations, the Rothschilds, the Queen and the City of London. I wondered how all these conspiracies could be maintained without the whole conceit unravelling.

The answer, of course, is that there is only one conspiracy. Pearl Harbour, the moon landing, JFK, 9/11, the Illuminati, the Black Helicopters, Skull & Bones, chemtrails: all faces of the same demon. The plot goes all the way to the top, and all the way back in time. You could come to believe that it involves everyone except yourself – at which point it’s all over for you. And as I listened, I just waited for him to say the Word. And, inevitably, Webre brought it all back to the “international neo-Zionist organisation”.

I asked Fetzer about this as we sat in a cafe across from Yale, home of the Brotherhood of Death: how did he keep his scholars on message? “It’s obvious to me that you have to consider all the possible alternatives,” he says. “You can’t exclude any, lest, as you proceed in your investigation and eliminate hypotheses, you eliminate the true hypothesis because you’ve never allowed it to be considered.”

Fetzer’s talk later that night does not go well. A Yale student had promoted the lecture on Facebook Events, but fellow students had apparently been unwilling to add their names, which anyone can see, perhaps for fear of ridicule. Only six show up. When it becomes clear that Fetzer is implicating some kind of Star Wars weapon, the two next to me begin scrolling distractedly through their mobile phone messages. Within 10 minutes, they have left.

The conclusion of the 9/11 Commission – the official story – is that the 2001 attacks got through because those charged with protecting America had not truly conceived of the threat: in its author’s evocative phrase, they had suffered a “failure of imagination”. After trawling the internet in search of 9/11 Truth, it seems to me the American imagination is strong. “Americans are very good at dreaming up these scenarios,” says Lewis Lapham, the former Harper’s magazine editor and a prominent critic of the Bush administration post-September 11. “We are open to all kinds of magical theories,” he says, citing the continuing fascination with the assassination of JFK. “We are also good at creating religions.” Lapham thinks the theory that 9/11 was an inside job follows in this long tradition, but also reflects cynicism among Americans towards their government. He does not accept that the Bush administration planned 9/11 or even allowed it to happen. Nonetheless, he thinks a new investigation is warranted. In 2004, Harper’s ran a trenchant piece describing the 9/11 Commission as a “whitewash” and a “cheat and a fraud” for downplaying evidence that warnings of the al-Qaeda threat were ignored. Such flaws allowed space for alternative theories to develop, Lapham says.

In this, there are shades of the Warren Commission into the assassination of President Kennedy, which served merely to deepen popular distrust. But if we have seen the likes of the 9/11 Truth movement before, it also represents something new. “With the Kennedy assassination, pretty soon after the events themselves there were fairly significant questions being raised by people of all types and stripes about what actually happened,” says Mark Fenster, a University of Florida law professor and author of Conspiracy Theories: Secrecy and Power in American Culture. “But whereas then it was a generalised, amorphous kind of response, the amount of organisation – politically and through alternative media – is far more striking now than it was back then.”

Fenster thinks that the 9/11 Truth movement is in some ways a typical American response to a surprising and traumatic event. But it also represents a step change in its use of telecommunications technology. “One of the interesting things, particularly in the beginning of this movement, was the extent to which there were a lot of local groups in different cities organising protests ... and they could co-ordinate and create a national and international movement,” he says. “Whether that translates into more people actually believing in the conspiracy theory is a completely different question.”

Fenster believes the few published polls on the subject, rather than showing any real depth of suspicion about 9/11, demonstrate declining trust in the Bush administration generally. The author of one of the most rigorous of the websites that aim to debunk the conspiracy theories, Debunking911.com, he notes that the most recent Zogby poll on attitudes towards 9/11 found only 4.6 per cent of Americans believe the Bush administration blew up the Twin Towers. “If you follow the website hits, you’ll find that since Debunking911 came into existence, conspiracy sites have been losing readership,” he says via e-mail. “I think all they needed was someone to fill in the parts conspiracy theorists left out of the conspiracy story and their numbers begin to shrink.”

Perhaps the 9/11 Truth movement is what one would expect in the dying days of an unpopular administration, and with no end in sight to a costly war. Whether it can maintain momentum when that government leaves office next year is anyone’s guess. In the meantime, some on the left accuse it of letting the leaders they so vehemently distrust off the hook. “They make a mockery of [civil rights] causes by associating their nonsense with genuinely important issues, and by diverting a large number of people who should know better into a unicorn hunt,” says British writer and activist George Monbiot. Monbiot is regularly heckled by 9/11 truthers at public events after accusing them in The Guardian of undermining genuine political opposition. His first column on the truthers prompted a near-record number of postings on the paper’s Comment Is Free website – 777 – many accusing him of being part of the conspiracy.

“It’s very interesting to see,” he says, “particularly in the United States, how the anti-war movement has been largely co-opted in many places by the 9/11 Truth movement. And we desperately need an active anti-war movement, because there is a lot of reckoning to be done.”

Peter Barber is the FT’s deputy comment editor

Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2008

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What happened to building 7?

By Peter Barber - Published: June 6 2008

To the truthers, “building 7” – the third building in the World Trade Center complex to collapse on September 11 – is evidence that the mainstream media is in on the plot. On that day, the BBC reported the building’s fall almost half an hour before it happened. Journalist Jane Standley was broadcast at 4.54pm eastern time reporting that the tower had collapsed – but in the background, it was still standing.

It fell 26 minutes later, seven hours after the Twin Towers came down.

When the Standley clip hit YouTube, truthers bombarded the BBC’s website with questions and accusations. Richard Porter, head of BBC world news, was forced to deny that the broadcaster was reading from the Bush conspirators’ script. He said the BBC had misreported warnings from fire crews of the building’s imminent collapse and instead stated that it had already happened. He blamed the confusion of the day for the mix-up. CNN had earlier reported rumours that a third building had either collapsed or was about to.

But in the minds of the truthers, this explanation was undermined by Porter’s admission that the BBC no longer had the original tapes of its coverage.

Building 7 is the truthers’ smoking gun for other reasons, too. How, they ask, could this modern, steel-framed skyscraper collapse merely because of fire, without even being hit by an airliner?

The 47-storey WTC7 fell straight down, at almost free-fall speed, largely into its own footprint: all the hallmarks, the sceptics say, of a controlled demolition. Building 7 had some fascinating tenants.

The main occupant was Salomon Brothers, the bank, but on floors nine and 10 was the secret service. On the three floors above that was the Securities and Exchange Commission. The New York Times reported that the building also housed a secret office operated by the CIA dedicated to spying on and recruiting foreign diplomats based at the United Nations. The station’s loss had “seriously disrupted” intelligence operations, it said.

The CIA shared a floor with an office of the Defence Department and the Internal Revenue Service.

The collapse of the building also wiped out the operations centre of New York City’s Office of Emergency Management on floor 23, throwing the response that day into further mayhem.

Truthers have focused on a comment on the afternoon of September 11 by Larry Silverstein, the building’s owner, to a fire department commander: he said they should “pull” the building after a faulty sprinkler system left fires to rage all day. “Pull”, the sceptics claim, is industry jargon for demolish. Debunking911.com points out that the term actually refers to pulling one building away from another with cables. Silverstein’s spokesman later said that Silverstein told the fire chief that the most important thing was to protect the lives of the firefighters, including pulling them out of the building if necessary.

The US National Institute of Standards and Technology began investigating the collapse of building 7 along with the Twin Towers in 2002, but hived the inquiry off into a separate probe, which will not report until August. This fuelled suspicion that officials were struggling to come up with a plausible line of obfuscation. NIST says progress has been slowed by the complexity of the computer model it is using, which simulates the collapse from the moment it begins all the way to the ground. Another 80 boxes of documents related to WTC7 have also been found and need to be analysed, it says.

NIST’s working hypothesis is that fire and/or flaming debris from the collapsing north tower (which left a long gash in building 7’s south face) damaged a critical column which supported a 2,000 sq ft floor bay. The remaining floor bays were unable to redistribute the loads, and the whole structure came down on itself. The fact that the collapse was triggered by an internal failure would explain the appearance of a controlled demolition with a small field of debris left behind.

The influence of the truthers can be found in this line from a 2004 progress report: “While NIST has found no evidence of a blast or controlled demolition event, NIST would like to determine the magnitude of hypothetical blast scenarios that could have led to the structural failure of one or more elements.”

The BBC, meanwhile, has yet to persuade some of its critics. It had wanted to film the 9/11 Truth seminar at the Immanuel Presbyterian Church in Los Angeles but was barred by the organisers, who cited building 7.

Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2008

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Sidebar in main article:

Glossary of doubt

No-planers
People who claim that it wasn’t an aircraft, but a missile, that hit the Pentagon on September 11 2001. Some have taken it a step further and argued that no aircraft hit the twin towers, either. What the world saw that day, these sceptics argue, was either video trickery or cruise missiles disguised through image technology as aircraft.

Mihops
Truthers who believe the US government “Made it happen on purpose”, “it” being the destruction of September 11.

Lihops
A more moderate strain of truther who believe the government “Let it happen on purpose”.

Scholars for 9/11 Truth
Started by James Fetzer, the group advocates looking at all possible explanations of what happened on September 11, no matter how improbable.

Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice
The more moderate splinter group of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, led by Steven Jones. Endorses an “evidence-based approach” to questioning the 9/11 story.

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Really sad reading.

As I mentioned in a comment to a blog that has somehow suddenly vanished ("NEWSFLASH: 911TruthLA gets Financial Times to run frontpage story on Building 7 & 911TruthLA Movement!!") from 911Blogger, the former article is an elaborate hit piece with the familiar elements: no planes, "a missile hit the Pentagon - what happened to the real AA 77?", DEW, Fetzer, alien invasions, psychological explanations.

I almost stopped reading half-way

This article had so much potential, I'll be sad the rest of the day.

www.ilii911.com

Original posting "pulled".

Let this be a warning, do not alter the copy from any source, post it on 911blogger, and expect no consequences. Your account will be closed. (Rules updated accordingly - but this should be common sense!)

We do not need to be giving our critics any ammunition.

Posting the whole article, because this is a large, significant piece, and everyone should read it.

You're saying the original poster...

Altered the content of the source story?


Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?

Yes. Here is one example;

Original:
"The BBC, meanwhile, has yet to persuade some of its critics. It had wanted to film the 9/11 Truth seminar at the Immanuel Presbyterian Church in Los Angeles but was barred by the organisers, who cited building 7."

What was posted:
"The BBC, meanwhile, has yet to persuade some of its critics. It had wanted to film the 9/11TruthLA seminar at the Immanuel Presbyterian Church in Los Angeles but was barred by the organisers, who cited building 7."

Repeat: NOT COOL. DON'T DO THIS.

Definatly looks deliberate

How did he alter the copy?

Anyway, it's bad to have lost all the comments as well.

The movement...

Is being very carefully packaged it seems or "defined" by the media.


Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?

Re WTC 7, Jones et al's article, and Wikipedia

Please give your views of this. Some editors on Wikipedia, based on a phone call by some NASA guy, argue that Jones et al's letter "14 Points of Agreement..." was not peer-reviewed (or at least not properly peer-reviewed) while the publisher (Bentham) itself assures that it was peer-reviewed. How to go on from here? This might be an important precedent.

Below is the relevant section from the Talk page of the WTC 7 article at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:7_World_Trade_Center#Steven_Jones.27s_...

What we have here are

1) someone calling the publisher and giving his account of
that - an account that may be twisted or at least strongly "colored",
perhaps reflecting his personal biases, and that certainly cannot
verified (and we cannot know what confusion and misunderstanding
during the call may have been translated into his own interpretation
of the quality of the review process); and

2) the publisher's verifiable (oa dot bentham dot org)
assurance that peer review has taken place. The former represents a
second hand account and cannot form the basis of saying that the
letter was not peer-reviewed. Furthermore, the quality of the peer
review is a separate issue.

Other articles critical of the official "fire demolition"
theories have now been approved for publication in relevant journals.
Will Wikipedia editors question their assurances of peer review as
well, just because they are not comfortable with the content of the
articles? Perscurator (talk) 15:42, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

* * * * *
On the contrary, the publishers have a vested interest to
distort facts in order to protect their reputation and promote their
journals, whereas other commentators have no such vested interest.
This is particularly the case when the other commentator is a
researcher in the field and has plenty of experience in the field of
engineering. If there are other published papers supporting the
controlled demolition hypothesis, then list them here and we will
evaluate their suitability. And please don't add assertions of peer
review to the article until you have a consensus on this page to do so
- doing otherwise is called edit warring, it is considered disruptive
and can lead to blocks and other sanctions. Hut 8.5 17:08, 6 June 2008
(UTC)

* * * * *
So you are really saying that some researchers'
views can override the publisher's assurance that a peer review
process has been followed? There are other researchers who do not
agree with that particular researcher. Why should his view override
even theirs, let alone the publisher's? I'm at a loss for words here.
Can Wikipedia even in principle claim, based on some individual's
account, that a publisher has not peer-reviewed a paper it says it has
peer-reviewed? I have a hard time believing that, and I think we will
need to examine this very carefully, contacting the related parties
and considering all the implications of this. Perscurator (talk)
21:05, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Letters to the editor, as peer review after-the-fact

Vesa, good questions.

I am also interested in the letters to the editor in response to the Jones et al. paper. But I have not been able to find them, perhaps because I am not finding their website too easy to navigate.

Have you seen what other engineers have said in response to this piece? That too is a form of peer-review.

No, I don't know what other engineers have said

Regarding the FT article: according to Griffin, the son of a bitch even *lied* when he referred to Griffn's residence as "Isla Vista, one of the most expensive real-estates spots in the US". EDIT: "son of a bitch" is my appellation and was not used by Griffin.

Classic

Fetzer, space beams, holograms, Aliens, voice morphology and pop psychology about "conspiracy theories", complete with a nod to Monbiot and the 911 truth movement as "distraction" meme. I wonder why he left out the war games and the family member demands for a new investigation?

I'm starting to think they teach courses on this stuff.

Hitpiece memes

The attacks are generally done formula. Since they don't rely on facts, they can only rely on distortions and discrediting attempts. It's nice to see that by now most people are starting to understand the common content in the attacks. The reactivation of Fetzer/Wood is meaningful. This article was originally started back in Jan / Feb, but only comes out now? What could the reason be for that, if that's true? Perhaps just coincidence, but I tend to think that the hitpiece factory goes into high gear at relevant times, not just at random.

A good run down of hit pieces from 911 Review --

Mainstream Press Attacks

The American news media has functioned to perpetuate the 9/11 cover-up in two main respects: it has promoted unquestioning acceptance of the official attack myth, and it has attacked skepticism of that myth. The attacks on skeptics have consistently used deception to misrepresent the 9/11 Truth Movement, pejoratively labeling all skeptics as "conspiracy theorists" and disingenuously implying that they embrace only the most absurd theories. Judging from the number of attack pieces that appeared in 2004 and 2005, this effort appears to be influenced by the success of the 9/11 Truth Movement in gaining visibility.

Here we examine themes of the attacks in the mainstream press year after year starting in 2004, the first year in which the existence of the 9/11 Truth Movement was acknowledged in the mainstrea press.
http://911review.com/disinfo/press/index.html

Only a small amount of people promote these theories and yet...

The basic strategy of the MSM is to pretend that the obvious disinformation represents the 9/11 truth movement. Never mind the fact that only a small handful of people are agressively promoting and advocating space beams and TV fakery.

Speaking of which, Mr. Barrett's push for congress will no doubt do wonders for the disinformation campaign. www.barrettforcongress.us/

“‘Many participants lamented the phenomenon of "internet lynch mobs" comprised of angry emailers and bloggers demanding that this or that researcher be banished for heresy. Often these internet lynch mobs are made up of people who have not carefully studied the research issues that they so confidently pronounce on. Barrett urged those who find controversial research issues a distraction from 9/11 activism to either study those issues with an open mind, or ignore them and focus on activism. The worst thing to do is waste time and energy on fruitless infighting.’”
http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2008/03/kevin-barrett.html

Barrett: "Dear Noam Chomsky,

As one of three American scholars to have lost a tenured or tenure-track job due to questioning the official story of 9/11 (the other two are Steven Jones, who just co-published a paper in a peer-reviewed engineering journal on the case, and Judy Wood...)"

According to Barrett, Judy Wood is: “[one of the] great women of 9/11 truthhttp://mp3.wtprn.com/Barrett/0804/20080408_Tue_Barrett1.mp3

It's amazing how just a small group of people can agressively promote space beams and TV fakery, and then this stuff makes it into the MSM.


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Arabesque: 911 Truth

the NIST WTC 7 report is supposed to be released soon

9/11 Family Steering Committee Review of the 9/11 Commission Report:
http://911truth.org/images/resources/Family%20Steering%20Cmte%20review%2...

Complete 9/11 Timeline
http://cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project

@Victronix

"This article was originally started back in Jan / Feb, but only comes out now? What could the reason be for that, if that's true? Perhaps just coincidence, but I tend to think that the hitpiece factory goes into high gear at relevant times, not just at random."

A very nice observation and a very good question. And now for some poetic conjecture...

Full fathom five thy father lies,
Of his bones are corals made,
Those are pearls that were his eyes,
Nothing of him that doth fade,
But doth suffer a sea change,
into something rich and strange...

- Ariel, from Shakespeare's Tempest

And to update the message:

Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
There's a battle outside
And it is ragin'.
It'll soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'.

- Bob Dylan

What we're experiencing is rich and strange indeed: a profound transformation, or a "sea change."

The introduction to the first article reminds me distinctly of Reverend Wright. The scandal surrounding him has been the only significant pitfall Obama has faced so far. When I picture 9/11 truth t-shirts in a church listening to Cynthia McKinney, my mind goes straight to the current, greatest potential weakness of our brand new Democratic nominee: Black Liberation Theology and its conspiratorial bedfellows.

That's why this is coming out now.

This idiot says : RE:WTC 7

"The fact that the collapse was triggered by an internal failure would explain the appearance of a controlled demolition with a small field of debris left behind." Oh it would would it ! I don't think so ! Exactly what does this mean? Internal failures can defy gravity and also pulverize steel ? Sorry buddy not on this planet, maybe on another planet you've been visiting lately and you just got the two mixed up. Nice try but no cigar. While this is not the best reporting anything that keeps the publicity going is better than nothing. Time is the real enemy of truth and any publicity is good publicity. But let's not let this turkey off the HOOK!

Disinfofest 2007 - The Gift That Keeps on Giving

From the article:

"After addressing Student Scholars for 9/11 Truth in New Hampshire, Fetzer was off to that seat of academic respectability, Yale University. To prepare for our meeting, I watched a DVD of a 9/11 symposium he held in his new hometown of Madison, Wisconsin last year. The star of this show was Alfred Lambremont Webre, a judge on former Malaysian prime minister Mahathir Mohamad’s alternative international War Crimes Tribunal in Kuala Lumpur and co-author of the Space Preservation Treaty. He delivers what might be the most momentous opening line in the history of town hall seminars. “Fellow Citizens... 9/11 was a false flag operation by an international war crimes racketeering organisation to provide a pretext to engage in a genocidal and ecocidal depleted uranium bombing of central Asia, Afghanistan and Iraq in order to secure vast oil and uranium reserves; to roll out a terror-based national security state system worldwide and ... to implement the final stages of a world depopulation policy.” There are two more “false flag” operations in the pipeline, he says. The first is the war against asteroids, the second the “war against the evil aliens”.

Hearing this, you either experience the thrill of revelation or the sinking feeling that the person you are listening to is having some kind of breakdown. Within 30 minutes, Webre has folded into the 9/11 plot the Skull & Bones society at Yale University – or the “Brotherhood of Death”, as he calls it – neocon think-thank the Council on Foreign Relations, the Rothschilds, the Queen and the City of London. I wondered how all these conspiracies could be maintained without the whole conceit unravelling.

The answer, of course, is that there is only one conspiracy. Pearl Harbour, the moon landing, JFK, 9/11, the Illuminati, the Black Helicopters, Skull & Bones, chemtrails: all faces of the same demon. The plot goes all the way to the top, and all the way back in time. You could come to believe that it involves everyone except yourself – at which point it’s all over for you. And as I listened, I just waited for him to say the Word. And, inevitably, Webre brought it all back to the “international neo-Zionist organisation”."

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Thank you Alfred Webre for giving this Financial Times hit piece the best ammunition he could find. And thanks to Barrett and Fetzer, the lead sponsors of that debacle.

I see that the DVD for the event Webre spoke at is available at the 911mysteries online store;
http://www.avatarproducts.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Categor...

Along with Eric Hufschmid videos, David Icke videos, and... "The Ernst Zundel Story".

If you are a friend or "acquaintance" or "colleague" of Sofia's, can you please tell her to get a grip?

They...

Hit you where it hurts. Hopefully other people will see this, and realize why some of us are such sticklers for promoting only the best information possible, and not coming across as insane lunatics.


Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?

Worse than imagined . .

Sophia seemed to have signed onto the Fetzer hoax promotion scene quite awhile back and was recommending PentaCon as "real evidence." It will be a disaster if she comes out with another film about other aspects of the attack at this stage. There's even a chemtrails page on there, along with the Barrett and Wood promotions.

My guess is that it's unlikely that anyone who knows her could or would be able to change a position like this that she's taken. The only thing we can do is make sure as many people are aware of the problem as possible, and express disagreement far and wide and in public.

Chemtrails?

Where do you live? I see chemtrails over Los Angeles several days a week. People are reporting chemtrails all over the world. Even mainstream media in other nations is reporting chemtrails.

Have you heard of HAARP?

If you make broad statements against someone's credibility, you best do your research first.

With you in the struggle,
Bruno
WeAreChangeLA

Pesticides are a verified

Pesticides are a verified and more pressing problem. The whole chemtrails thing doesn't seem as pressing of a problem.

..

Why, because we don't even know what it is they are spraying, if anything ?
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"Listen carefully now : DO NOT DESTROY OIL-WELLS" Dubya

I agree with you

I agree with you bbruhwiler8.

I became intensely aware of chemtrails last year.

I realize they are a taboo subject with many 9/11 Truth activists and sites, but I have come to believe that there is a direct connection to 9/11through researching this, scientific common-sense and what my eyes are telling me as I watch the massive spraying in the Philadelphia and New Jersey shore area.

Like 9/11, I played the devil's advocate with myself and scientifically, methodically, logically tried to disprove that chemtrails weren't anything more than "contrails" . . . But I am now 100% convinced that they are not "contrails". I have seen the military (?) escorts flying beside (and a bit behind) them - the escorts have no trails at all. I have witnessed the chemtrails being turned on and off. I have seen the planes spraying flying at a trajectory that usually only rockets would take.

Who specifically is doing this and why, I don't know for sure. But I am sure it's happeneing, and I do believe it's not for benign purposes. The spraying started in 1996 in some places , and 1997 in others. Cities that once had a lot of chemtrail spraying, don't anymore. And vice versa.

I won't get into this anymore, because I know some will think this is off-topic . . . but it's really not.

Google Tesla technology, HAARP, weather modification, Star Wars, SDI . . . . the people behind the evil of 9/11are also connected to all of this. Watch the DVD's on Tesla and HAARP . . .

Betsy

"We only see what we know."
-- Johan Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832

Chemtrails!

The interesting thing I just discovered in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCL6zdq0_t4&feature=email at 7:17 is the photograph of chemtrails on 9/12/01, verified by a newspaper clipping, at a time when (commercial) planes were supposedly grounded!

If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention.

That is really

That is really interesting.

Thanks for this Randy.

We all remember 9/11/01 and what an incredibly clear blue day it was . . . the weather that whole week was . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xcf84CFEKQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VmAQqi3OJc&watch_response

Could everyone please bone up on your basic earth sciences?

I want to be nice about this because I realize there are sincere people confused by this issue, but really. These are condensation trails, the direct result of hot exhaust meeting cooler air. Whether or not you see a "trail" is dependent on barometric pressure, temperature, humidity, and prevailing winds.

Are their adverse health effects from air traffic pollution? Hell yes--and the disinformation of "chemtrails" is planted to keep anyone from taking pollution concerns from aircraft seriously.

Come on you lot, you are smarter than this. THINK--if someone was using aircraft to disperse a substance in the air onto a population directly below it for nefarious means--the usual "chemtrail" frame---THEY WOULD HAVE TO FLY AS LOW AS CROP DUSTERS.

What you are seeing are high altitude artificial cirrus cloud formations. (artificial because a plane instead of the sun, was the catalyst.)

Okay: now to address the people who agree with me: you DON"T help, when you just say disinformation but can't explain why. You lot can bone up too:

http://www.wxdude.com/page1.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteorology
http://ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu/(Gh)/guides/mtr/home.rxml

Once you understand the basics, you can sort out what makes sense on your own.
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http://coljennysparks.blogspot.com/
http://truthaction.org/forum/
http://www.911blacklist.org/

I take no stand on this but...

... did you watch the video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCL6zdq0_t4&feature=email

A newspaper reported about someone's analysis. He apparently had identified a great deal of different toxins (fungi or molds or something like that) in the clouds.

"Could everyone please bone

"Could everyone please bone up on your basic earth sciences?
I want to be nice about this because I realize there are sincere people confused by this issue, but really."

With all due respect, Jenny, you apparently don't know what you don't know.

That was an incredibly patronizing post.

As 9/11 truth activists often tell the ignorant, "do the research" . . . before they try to argue against it without looking at the evidence . . .

Dig deep. It's there. Go beyond Wikipedia and Weather Dude.

Betsy

EDIT: Added "and Weather Dude. " after checking out Col. Jenny's links . . . : )

"We only see what we know."
-- Johan Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832

Col Jenny Sparks

You wrote "These are condensation trails, the direct result of hot exhaust meeting cooler air. Whether or not you see a "trail" is dependent on barometric pressure, temperature, humidity, and prevailing winds."

Can you please explain how barometric pressure, temperature, humidity and prevailing winds affects whether or not you see a contrail or a spray trail? Could you also add in altitude and velocity as well as the moisture from the jet? How does hot exhaust meeting cooler air create a trail and leave it there for hours?

Thanks!

Contrails vanish within seconds, spray trails do not.
Bruno

Reading the article, i noticed this passage:

"The influence of the truthers can be found in this line from a 2004 progress report: “While NIST has found no evidence of a blast or controlled demolition event, NIST would like to determine the magnitude of hypothetical blast scenarios that could have led to the structural failure of one or more elements.”"

My first question as a reporter would be what tests NIST had conducted to determine (or to rule out) that a blast had occurred. My understanding is that NIST conducted no such tests or analysis. If this is correct, the dishonesty of NIST is indeed apparent, but the reporter has not picked up on it, because he or she has not asked the right questions.

The dishonesty of NIST's

The dishonesty of NIST's analysis is beyond question.

John Gross a lead engineer on the NIST report denied knowledge of any eyewitness reports of "molten steel": http://www.911blogger.com/node/6104
Whatever the molten material was, a number of eyewitnesses referred specifically to "molten steel".

NIST: "there was no evidence (collected by NIST, or by the NYPD, the Port Authority Police Department or the FDNY) of any blast or explosions in the region below the impact and fire floors"

"but I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down."

Q. "Was that on the lower level of the building or up where the fire was?"

A. "No, the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw. And I didn't broach the topic to him, but he asked me. He said I don't know if I'm crazy, but I just wanted to ask you because you were standing right next to me� He said did you see any flashes? I said, yes, well, I thought it was just me. He said no, I saw them, too." Stephen Gregory - Assistant Commissioner (F.D.N.Y.)

"...I just remember there was just an explosion. It seemed like on television they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions." Rich Banaciski, Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

"the lowest floor of fire in the south tower actually looked like someone had planted explosives around it because the whole bottom I could see - I could see two sides of it and the other side - it just looked like that floor blew out. I looked up and you could actually see everything blew out on the one floor. I thought, geez, this looks like an explosion up there, it blew out." Thomas Fitzpatrick - Deputy Commissioner for Administration (FDNY)

"Floor by floor it started popping out."
"It was if they had detonators and they planned to take down a building." Fireman

"Somewhere around the middle of the World Trade Center, there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash. Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode. The popping sound, and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then a red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides as far as I could see. These popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger, going both up and down and then all around the building.on both sides as far as I could see.” Karin Deshore - Captain (E.M.S.)

"It was a frigging noise. At first I thought it was -- do you ever see professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear "Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop... That's exactly what -- because I thought it was that. When I heard that frigging noise, that's when I saw the building coming down." Daniel Rivera - Paramedic (E.M.S.)

"I was at the base of the second tower . . . that was hit. . . . There was an explosion. . . . The base of the building shook. . . . Then there was a series of explosions." Steve Evans - BBC correspondent.

etc. etc......

Stick to the facts

Free fall collapse speed through undamaged steel structure is impossible.
And If one thing is wrong - it's all wrong. There's no rhyme or reason to try and explain everything - other than to muddle up things,
The so called 'movement' always seems to avoid the 'Dancing Israelis' and 'Urban Moving Systems' and are - of course - paying the price in media stories.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html
Where did Dominic Suter go ? Hit by a space beam ?

I see this getting voted

I see this getting voted down - says a lot

The fact

that this article exists at all proves to me that the truth, like life, will find a way, no matter what we do. Everyday I wake up, I introduce someone new to the truth. It can't be stopped.

started well

Most people only read a few paragraphs. The first few paragraphs were actually quite good. This could have a positive net effect. I was almost convinced the writer was on our side.

Reprehensor:

As for the thing about a poster allegedly changing the text -- online newspapers alter their stories a lot. They change the text repeatedly, and may have done so here. Aren't you jumping the gun pulling the guy's account? The meaning didn't even seem to be altered.

Perhaps Financial Times will indulge us a bit more. We should write financial stories regarding 9/11, such as the insider trading, the Silverstein insurance windfall, the missing gold, the PNAC (WHO WERE CONSPICUOUSLY ABSENT) stated goal of drastically increasing military spending, which has happened along with corruption, waste and graft at previously unseen levels...

Monbiot is a twat.

70 Disturbing Facts About 9/11

John Doraemi publishes Crimes of the State Blog
http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/

johndoraemi --at-- yahoo.com.

Fenster and Monbiot

Why do the same guys always pop up to examine the mind status of "conspiracy theorists"?

I'm so sick of this pcycho-psycho-analysis why I'm a doubter.

What was totally missing in the article is all forensic evidence we have- it was more cast of the Who is Who in our movement without presenting our strongest evidence.