Using planes as weapons turns out was not new as the official cover story inquisition alleged

Turns out 6 years prior to 9/11 in light of the first WTC attack (assisted by FBI,, the laptop of Ramzi Yousef found information uncovered information about using planes as weapons and flying them into buildings, specifically the CIA headquarters. So Bush's comments about no one in our government at least, and the prior (Clinton) government, could envision using planes as weapons on such a massive scale, reiterated by Condi Rice several times is false. This in addition to the August 6th PDB and not the plans years earlier.

Here's a video clip of the mention of the planes being used as weapons into the CIA.

Just some other thoughts, just how effective would a hijack be?
2 months before 9/11, an order was issued to rescind a 40 year rule for the ability for pilots to be armed.

But whether the pilots were armed would have little effect since pilots are required to be strapped in to their seat, and could simply put the plane in a steep dive or elevation that would throw the hijackers against the wall or the ceiling, but what would certainly through them of their feet.

The little things that are rarely talked about need to be.

Some valuable links

another confirmation by Kristen Breitweiser testimony using planes as weapons


A Blast From the Past: Decoding Bojinka

Yousef recruited by CIA

According to journalist Richard Labeviere;

"Al-Qaeda bomber Ramzi Yousef is said to be recruited by the CIA, though details are not known. Author Richard Labeviere reported without elaboration in a 1999 book, “A classified FBI file indicates that [Yousef] was recruited by the local branch of the CIA.”

Old, but valuable

Old, but valuable source...

Report Warned Of Suicide Hijackings

WASHINGTON, May 17, 2002

(CBS) Two years before the Sept. 11 attacks, an analysis prepared for U.S. intelligence warned that Osama bin Laden's terrorists could hijack an airliner and fly it into government buildings like the Pentagon.

Re. the scary jihadist terror training manual in the video

I would not be surprised if it had been written, printed and given to the jihadi terrorists by the CIA. Remember all those war mongering, jihad preaching, fanatical school textbooks (as were often described to us in shocked tones in MSM news reports) that the Taliban used in Afghan schools to brainwash the minds of young Afghan students? They were all printed and shipped to Afghanistan courtesy of Uncle Sam and the US taxpayer.

See the Jihad Schoolbook Scandal:

Why has the US been Shipping Muslim Extremist Schoolbooks into Afghanistan...for 20 Years?

And why is President Bush hiding it?

By Jared Israel
[Posted 9 April 2002]


Have you heard about the Afghan Jihad schoolbook scandal?

Or perhaps I should say, "Have you heard about the Afghan Jihad schoolbook scandal that's waiting to happen?"

Because it has been almost unreported in the Western media that the US government shipped, and continues to ship, millions of Islamist textbooks into Afghanistan.

Only one English-speaking newspaper we could find has investigated this issue: the Washington Post. The story appeared March 23rd. (1)

Washington Post investigators report that during the past twenty years the US has spent millions of dollars producing fanatical schoolbooks, which were then distributed in Afghanistan.

"The primers, which were filled with talk of jihad and featured drawings of guns, bullets, soldiers and mines, have served since then [i.e., since the violent destruction of the Afghan secular government in the early 1990s] as the Afghan school system's core curriculum. Even the Taliban used the American-produced books..." -- Washington Post, 23 March 2002 (1)

According to the Post the U.S. is now "...wrestling with the unintended consequences of its successful strategy of stirring Islamic fervor to fight communism."

So the books made up the core curriculum in Afghan schools. And what were the unintended consequences? The Post reports that according to unnamed officials the schoolbooks "steeped a generation in [Islamist] violence."

How could this result have been unintended? Did they expect that giving fundamentalist schoolbooks to schoolchildren would make them moderate Muslims?

Good call.

Ali Mohamed wrote most of the al Qaeda terror manual, according to establishment spinner, Lawrence Wright.

And Ali is a CIA/FBI/US Army asset. (In retrospect, I guess he really does qualify as a "Triple" agent.)

Peter Lance on the Operation Bojinka plot

No hangout of course, but good info in "1000 Years for Revenge"

Abdul Hakim Murad, captured in 1995, testified about the Bojinka plot to fly hijacked airliners into the TransAmerica Pyramid, Sears Tower, WTC, Pentagon, and other buildings. He was turned over the American authorities after his arrest in the Philippines. I believe they've still got him.

In 1994 four hijackers seized an Air France flight, apparently intending to fly it into Eiffel Tower. None of this stuff was new.

From the video

Ah, Judith Miller. You warmongering bitch. Spreading more scary details about the Moos-lems.

myth hurts us

"But whether the pilots were armed would have little effect since pilots are required to be strapped in to their seat, and could simply put the plane in a steep dive or elevation that would throw the hijackers against the wall or the ceiling, but what would certainly through them of their feet."

This myth of the invincible pilots who would never succumb to knife-wielding Arabs is bullshit. Commercial airline pilots don't just put their planes into radical dives -- ever. They aren't trained to do that. It's not a part of any protocols. It's not safe for the hundred passengers who could break necks and whatnot. This is a bullshit argument.

It only takes a couple of seconds to put a knife up to someone's throat. Achieving a sharp dive as you describe takes longer than that, even if the pilots were on hair trigger alert to turn their commercial planes into rocket ships at a moment's notice!

Knife wielding terrorists took over an Air India flight, flew to Afghanistan, and forced the Indian gov't to release among others Omar Saeed Sheikh. Sheikh was met by Pakistani ISI officers and welcomed back to Pakistan as an asset.

The scenario is feasible, and these bogus arguments don't pass. Evidence should be incontrovertible and not able to be taken different ways, interpreted differently by everyone who hears it. Speculating on what pilots could have done or not done is just not evidence. It's conjecture.

70 Disturbing Facts About 9/11

John Doraemi publishes Crimes of the State Blog

johndoraemi --at--

There is so much information...

Showing that this Government was WELL AWARE of the idea. I had correspondence once with the author of a report entitled, "Sociology and Psychology of Terrorism: Who Becomes a Terrorist and Why?"

Here is that correspondence:

To whom it may concern,

I have a few questions for the author of this document, Rex A. Hudson. This was written in September 1999.

It is available here:

On page 15 of 186, it says the following:

"Suicide bomber(s) belonging to al-Qaida’s Martyrdom Battalion could crash-land an aircraft packed with high explosives (C-4 and semtex) into the Pentagon, the headquarters of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), or the White House."

My questions are, was this document:

1) Known throughout the intelligence community? (Before 9/11)
2) Known to the Congress? (Before 9/11)
3) Known to the Bush Administration? (Before 9/11)
4) Known in particular to ex-National Security Advisor Condoleeza Rice? (Before 9/11)
5) Known to the FAA/NORAD? (Before 9/11)
6) Presented to the 9/11 Commission?

Any information you have about public knowledge of this document would be greatly appreciated.


Jonathan Gold

First response...

Dear Mr. Gold:

Thank you for your inquiry to the Federal Research Division, the fee-for-service research unit of the Library of Congress. In response to your questions, all of those entities in your list eventually became aware of the report. The report was mounted on the Library of Congress public website on December 14, 2001. It reported the findings of FRD's research of then-current literature written by experts on terrorism, inside and outside government, and was commissioned in June 1999 by the National Intelligence Council ( and delivered in September 1999. We do not know, nor have any way of gauging, to what extent each of the listed entities were aware of the report prior to September 11, 2001.

Best wishes,

Robert L. Worden, PhD
Chief, Federal Research Division
Library of Congress ... 101 Independence Ave SE, LA-5282
Washington, DC 20540-4840
Phone: 202-707-3909 ... Fax: 202-707-3920

Then I got an email from the author, Rex Hudson...

Dear Mr. Gold,

Thank you for your inquiry and pertinent questions regarding my 1999 study. With regard to the 9/11 Commission, I have yet to come across any evidence that it cited my report. No one from the Commission contacted me about it in general or the origins of the cited scenario in particular.

Rex Hudson

My response...

Mr. Hudson,

I thank you for getting back to me in regards to this. Obviously you understand my reasoning for this inquiry. According to people within the Bush Administration, "no one could have imagined them taking airplanes, and using them as missiles". I've heard that quote countless times, and thanks to your report, I now know that at least someone "imagined" it. Just out of curiosity, do you know if this report was the reason why in November 2000, the Pentagon had drills referred to as MASCAL. Drills which planned for the very event that occurred on 9/11?

Thank you for your time,

Jonathan Gold

His response...

Mr. Gold,

Thank you for the MASCAL reference. Very interesting. I hadn't heard about it. It would be nice to think that they read my 1999 report over at the Pentagon, but I don't know of any connection. It's appropriate that you put "imagined" in quotes. Now, back to work...

Rex Hudson

SBG was actually the one to make me aware of that report.

Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?

Put this under "coincidence theory"

“Soon after the Pentagon is hit, medical workers initiate their mass casualty plan (MASCAL) for dealing with disasters. Sergeant Matthew Rosenberg, a medic at the Pentagon’s DiLorenzo Tricare Health Clinic, arrives at the center courtyard. Seeing smoke rising from the side of the building and patients staggering out, he radios the clinic: ‘You need to initiate MASCAL right now! We have mass casualties! I need medical assets to the courtyard! … ‘The saving grace to our efforts was the two MASCAL exercises we previously had conducted... Our scenario for both MASCALS was a plane flying into the Pentagon courtyard.’”

Paul Thompson, Complete 9/11 Timeline, Soon after 9:37 a.m. September 11, 2001: Pentagon Medical Staff Implement Mass Casualty Plan; Aided by Pre-9/11 Exercises

Gee, now THAT is a coincidence.

Here's more on the various exercises involving planes as weapons:

Other similar exercises related to the events of 9/11 included:

“Counterterrorism “tsar” Richard Clarke chairs a tabletop exercise at the White House, involving a scenario where anti-American militants fill a Learjet with explosives, and then fly it on a suicide mission toward a target in Washington, DC.”[66]

“In the two years before the Sept. 11 attacks, the North American Aerospace Defense Command conduct[s] exercises simulating what the White House [later] says was unimaginable at the time: Hijacked airliners used as weapons to crash into targets and cause mass casualties.” One of these imagined targets is the World Trade Center.”[67]

“A plane crash is simulated inside the cardboard courtyard of a model Pentagon. Pentagon and Arlington County emergency responders assemble in the office of the Secretary of Defense’s conference room in the Pentagon for a mass casualty exercise (“MASCAL”). The exercise involves three mock-scenarios. One is of a commercial airliner crashing into the Pentagon and killing 342 people.”[68]

“…one of the scenarios that was considered for this exercise involved “a terrorist group hijack[ing] a commercial airliner and fly[ing] it into the Pentagon.” But the proposed scenario, thought up by a group of Special Operations personnel trained to think like terrorists, was rejected.”[69]

“Real events similar to the Unified Vision scenario unfolded in the attacks of Sept. 11. Ozolek will later remark, “Nostradamus couldn’t have nailed the first battle of the next war any closer than we did.… [T]his time we got it right.” He will say, however, that UV 01 did not foresee the severity of terrorist attacks that occurred on 9/11, and involved terrorists attacking US military targets, rather than civilian ones.”[70]

“The next Amalgam Virgo exercise… will involve two simultaneous commercial aircraft hijackings. Planning for the exercises begins before 9/11.”[71]

“NORAD is… planning for the Amalgam Virgo 02 exercise. This exercise, scheduled for June 2002, will involve the simulation of two simultaneous commercial aircraft hijackings. One plane, a Delta 757, flown by Delta pilots, will fly from Salt Lake City, Utah to Elmendorf Air Force Base in Anchorage, Alaska. It will be “hijacked” by FBI agents posing as terrorists. The other plane will be a Navy C-9 bound from Oak Harbor, Washington to Vancouver, British Columbia, and will be “hijacked” by Royal Canadian Mounted Police.”[72]

“A mass casualty exercise, involving a practice evacuation, is held at the Pentagon. General Lance Lord of US Air Force Space Command, one of the participants in the exercises, later recalls: ‘[It was] purely a coincidence, the scenario for that exercise included a plane hitting the building.’”[73]

“A tabletop exercise is held at the Department of Transportation (DOT) in Washington, DC, as part of its preparations for the 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City… ‘During that exercise, part of the scenario, interestingly enough, involved a potentially hijacked plane and someone calling on a cell phone, among other aspects of the scenario that were very strange when twelve days later, as you know, we had the actual event [of 9/11].’”[74]

There were previous drills in which a plane was simulated to fly into a “famous” US building.[75]

“Agency Planned Exercise on September 11 built around a plane crashing into a building,”[76]
Arabesque: 911 Truth

It's not as if they planned


Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?

Thanks to all who responded

Thanks to all who responded to and to strengthen the premise with the insightful links and posts about the lie of planes as weapons like WWII kamikazes . Once in a while in some form it should be said, (at least according to me), the reason people research 9/11 and are unwavering for the truth for a real criminal investigation is not for themselves, but for others. The victims of 9/11, the causalities and injured of the resulting wars, the families of all affected, the 1st responders, and for each and every fellow 9/11 Truther, the researchers, authors, film producers, grassroots activists, and patriots for a society that we should have to resonate loud and clear to be heard everywhere the mantra Never Again, Never Forget, Speaking for the Victims, 9/11 Truth!

DUDE! That's my clip you

DUDE! That's my clip you posted! HAHA! What took you guys so long? I've been trying to get these clips out for years and nobody seemed interested.

There are 150 more clips just like that posted from my personal news archive that I've sat down and researched for the last 7 years since 9/11. Go to my myspace URL posted below OR my 9/11 News Archive at the Loose Change forums found in the link below.