Give Peace A Chance...

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Going down in Sydney.......

Reaching out to the Peace Movement at the SWC Public Meeting UTS - 23 June 08

Fellow 9/11 Truth Advocates,

As you may be aware Sydney Truth Action attended a public meeting last night (23/06/08) organized by The "Stop the War Coalition"(SWC) at UTS. The public meeting was held to discuss the loss of civil liberties and the use of the terror laws against protestors, Dr Haneef, the Barwon 12 and the Goulburn 9. See flier below.

I would firstly like to express my sincere appreciation to all that attended this meeting last night, and it was obvious to all there that we are now a significant force for truth and peace. It is also becoming apparent to many who wish we would just go away, that we are "not going away" and as we continue to grow in confidence we are gaining more and more political power daily! The realization, must be beginning to sink in that "9/11 Truth" is now a part of "popular culture" and will rise to the surface of all social justice and peace movements eventually. I estimated we had over twenty 9/11 Truth Advocates present at this meeting last night in a total crowd of approximately 120 people.

Arriving at 6:30pm a few of our keen 9/11 truthers quickly organized a table at the entrance to the lecture theatre and commenced civil informationing, giving away DVD's, Deception Dollars and 11 Facts Cards. The interest from the group assembled waiting to enter was luke warm but there was genuine interest from a small minority. We were defiantly NOT interrupted in any way by the SWC and I was pleasantly surprised that we were allowed to freely distribute information both outside and inside the theatre.

The meeting was comprised of mix of activists talking about legal action brought against citizens due to the "Terror Legislation" introduced since 9/11. Issues discussed included the legal action taken against anti globalization protestors in Melbourne and Sydney and the complete imbalance of Police Powers when compared to the citizen's. Another speaker talked about the imprisonment of the Barwon 12 and the Goulburn 9 and a family member was in attendance who expressed the reality he has observed first hand. He said that once you are labeled a "Terrorist" you are left in a position of being "guilty until proven innocent" and that the process of these proceedings is exceedingly slow, as if to soften the will of the accused and their supporters.

The main reason the majority of people attended this meeting was to hear a short talk by Dr Haneef's solicitor Peter Russo. He is a very down to earth fellow that really is not one that likes the spotlight! He started his talk by expressing that he was only one member of a dedicated team that managed to secure atleast some justice for their client Dr Haneef and was embarrassed that he has received the majority of the credit. He then went into some detail of the complete disregard that the AFP had for procedures and natural justice. He gave me the impression that they, the AFP thought that because of their righteous anti-terrorism position aided by the support of a complicit press they could and would do as they pleased. It was at this stage that he dropped the comment of the night, Mr Russo said that if it had not been for one inquisitive journalist doing his job that actually followed up leads and did a little investigation Haneef probably would have been persecuted by the press and the courts. It was down to this one mans efforts that changed the media's portrayal of Haneef from villain to victim and what has ultimately brought about the result seen. Overall Mr Russo came across as rather a pessimistic and as a man that has seen a complete erosion of the defendants rights over the last 10 or so years and profesed no solutions rather just dismay at the current situation.

After a brief announcement of a two minute question rule, Mr Russo then addressed the gatherings questions and the moderator said that brief statements were also allowed at this time. I wont go into to much detail, but about half way through this period Dr Andrew Katelaris ask a question about why they were collectively skating around the issue that could bring justice and reverse these laws, 9/11 Truth. He went on to say that a mountain of scientific evidence exists for controlled demolition of the twin towers and for Building 7 and asked people to google WTC7. Spontaneous applause and cheers were heard from the crowd, unfortunately the usual (remarkably few) nay sayers sighed, laughed and jeered at this statement. The question/statement was not responded to by Mr. Russo and the questions continued. There were a few other mentions of 9/11 over the next 15 minutes or so and towards the back of the room a restrained argument had broken out in the area that Dr Katelaris was sitting due to some people in that area being opposed to his views. A few moments later Dr Katelaris and Mick where seen to leave the meeting in a slightly dramatic fashion.

The finale to the evening was an impromptu address by torture victim and Guantanamo Bay inmate Mamdouh Habib, who as usual was impeccably dressed. He made a very passionate attack against the AFP and the Government in general saying he considers them all criminals; this was very well received by the packed theatre. Mr. Habib then went on to say he feels our justice system is non-existent and he thinks there was more justice in the military courts in the US than in Sydney and accused the Australian Courts of collusion with the prosecution against him. But my personal favorite comment was that he said he knows that Mick Kealty is a drug smuggler and has brought Heroin back from Afghanistan! I suppose his address could be summed up as a rant but it was definitely a heart warming performance that was enjoyed by all present!

As people began leaving the theatre Josh and a few others continued to hand out information packs to the dispersing crowd. To my amazement people were out of hand rejecting the free DVD's and information? It was a this time a found my self moving into the open and addressing the crowd explaining the seriousness of our quest and the wealth of evidence supporting a new investigation into 9/11. I went on to explain the recent politicians and academics supporting our cause and that we have a real chance of stopping the wars and bringing the Neo-Con Hawks to justice. As I spoke people did become more curious and did begin to take the material on offer.

In the foyer many discussions broke out among activists and the many of us made our points directly with to the SWC organizers. Although they continue to site the irrelevance of 9/11 to us in the Australian context and the unlikeliness of us achieving our aim of a new investigation as excuses for their indifference to the issue. They did however seem to realize that we are serious and determined and were prepared to have lengthy discussions with us. I found in my conversation with the MC of the evening that explaining to her the psychological spell that 9/11 put over the Australian people could be turned in an equally profound way against the war mongers in this country, rewriting history and ending the wars. I explained that without the hatred for Muslims in this country due to the 9/11 event the Australian government would be forced into changing it's policies in the Middle East.

The final conversation myself and Hereward(911oz) ended up in was with one of the organizers who was asking why we don't hold a forum or public meeting to argue our case with the peace movement and those on the left of politics that think we are nuts? We said we already did and they didn't come, we went on to explain we have had terrible trouble getting any response from the left of politics or the peace movement to date. He agreed that he would pass an invitation on to his mailing list if a public forum on the issue of 9/11 Truth if was organized.

Considering all of this I have decided to withdraw from the Canberra Convergence I proposed this year to concentrate on a public meeting in Sydney this September 11 anniversary. The Truth Action Committee will arrange a meeting to discuss this event next month, and all will be welcome to attend to voice there opinions and offer what assistance they can to help organize it. I also propose that people from far and wide should attend this event if at all possible. We will make sure we carry out other Truth Action's around this time and an evening out will also be organized for the following day Friday September 12th to enjoy each others company.

Kind regards John Bursill

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Background flier...

Putting the terror laws on trial

Speakers include:

Peter Russo, lawyer for Dr Mohamed Haneef

A speaker about the ongoing cases of the Barwon 12 and Goulburn 9

A speaker from the Sydney G20 Solidarity Network

Organised by the Sydney Stop the War Coalition

For more information: www.stopwarcoalition.org or

Alex 0413 976 638, Jean 0410 772 110, Anna 0401 900 690

Public meeting—all welcome

Monday 23 June, 7pm

University of Technology, Sydney, Broadway, opposite Railway Square—follow the signs

Defending civil liberties

Organised by the Sydney Stop the War Coalition

For more information: www.stopwarcoalition.org or

Alex 0413 976 638, Jean 0410 772 110, Anna 0401 900 690

Public Meeting: Putting the terror laws on trial

Monday 23 June, University of Technology Sydney

In the past five years Australia’s anti-terrorism laws have been revealed as unjust,

unnecessary, expensive and open to abuse. The laws were the lynchpin of the

Howard government’s anti-Muslim racism and war mongering, designed to produce

a "terror threat" in Australia the would justify the government’s involvement

in the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Time and again the laws have been seen to strip away the basic rights of arrestees,

acting as a racist weapon against the Muslim community. We have seen the

botched prosecution of Dr Mohamed Haneef (now under review), the dismissal of

the trial of Izhar Ul Haque and the secretive trials of Sydney and Melbourne men

(arrested over two years ago) charged with comprising "a terrorist organisation".

Alongside the use of the anti-terror laws there has been a consistent attack on

basic civil liberties. Unprecedented charges have been laid against protestors from

the Group of 20 meeting in Melbourne in November 2006 and we saw previously

unthinkable levels of policing at the APEC protests in September 2007. This included

an "exclusion zone" which saw several activists banned from the city centre

for the duration of the summit.

But now, six months into the Rudd government’s term, there are no moves to

scrap the terror laws or reverse Howard’s crackdown on dissent. The Clarke inquiry,

set up to investigate the widely acknowledged mistreatment of Dr Haneef,

has limited power to investigate those responsible. The problems run much deeper

than the individual case of Dr Haneef and the terms of the inquiry —the laws

themselves are geared to the kind of racist, unjust treatment that he received.

Come along to hear from Dr Haneef’s lawyer and those involved with the terror

cases in Melbourne and Sydney. There will be also be a speaker from the campaign

to defend those arrested as a result of the protest at the Group of 20 meeting

in Melbourne in November 2006, to address the attacks on basic rights to protest.

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I think...

The "Peace Movement" should give the 9/11 Truth Movement a chance. We have always stood for peace. We have always been anti-war. We have always been anti-oppression. We have always been anti-take our civil liberties away. We have always been anti-fascism. We have always been anti-let's make policy decisions that make billions of dollars for our corporate friends, but hurt the people of this country. They are some of the main reasons we have done this, and continue to do so.


Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?

I totally agree!

Thanks for that Jon!

I try to stay positive because soon they simply will not be able to denie us any more.

Frustration must be turned into hope and the best way to do that is to keep on talking and walking to truth.

Regards John

9/11 24/7 UNTIL JUSTICE!!

"All we are sayyying, is give TRUTH a chance..."

Perhaps the above headline's rephrasing of the old peace chant will put all of our efforts at reform into perspective. CLEARLY, nearly every war started, or enjoined, by the good ole USofA has been "false-flagged" with lies started, perpetuated, or allowed to exist by the United States Government. So, this TRUTH thing is the best way to go with ALL of our concerns...because...we CAN handle the truth. In fact, I offer a challenge to our dishonorable opposition, the deal goes as follows:

"If you start telling the truth, we will show you that we CAN HANDLE THE TRUTH!"

Not likely to happen, but its an accurate assessment of what all of us can handle both as a collective, and as individuals..

The words from down under are very welcomed, and also offer another, and perhaps better, perspective on the bigger issues that the events on 9/11 have touched, or reframed. 9/11 Truth is the biggest activism kahuna of all time...its reach will be profound for decades to come.

Regarding dealing with the peace communities within the USofA...there is no longer any doubt that they have failed miserably in their four decade long effort to influence the USofA towards a peaceful world. And this stands in stark contrast to the more positive results of other movements born last century, ie:

...the anti-nuke movement...
...the women's rights movement...
...the environmental movement...
...the racial/human rights movements...
...the gblt movements...

Each of the aforementioned movements have at least gained some solid ground on their original missions, and obviously, the peace movements have lost ground.

Consequently, dealing with MOST organizers at MOST levels of peace organizations across the good ole USofA, is unlikely to bear any fruit because these folks are in deep denial about this failure. In fact, its my experience in working the streets, going to peace marches, and attending peace organizational meetings, that the "peace leaders" are both compromized and biased against us, and this small group represent the second toughest group of citizens to open up to 9/11 TRUTH.

The most difficult group to open up, and a group that is completely unworthy of any time spent upon them, are the 25-30% of the citizenry who John Dean has identified as mentally deficient unless they have some form of authority figure to make them feel secure...this is the radical-religious-right-conservative, and sometimes, the military folks.

Again, it can be very instructive to the 9/11 Truth Movement if we observe what Cindy Sheehan discovered as she rose upwards to become "Peace Mom", and as she became involved in the top levels of the peace movements in WDC. She found that they were compromized, juvinile, territorial, and sleeping with the democrats. The ordinary democrats nowadays are no different than republicans dressed up in blue drag as they get bribed by our militarized corporatocracy nearly as much as the REAL republicans get bribed by our militarized corporatocracy.

Cindy left the WDC based peace movements and started doing something that SHE feels that she can accomplish. Lets hope so, and I wish I were in the Bay Area because I'd be out doing CI...Civil Informationing for her on any corner, anywhere, and whenever I could. Actually, I consider what Cindy is doing with her run to unseat Pelosi [a torture criminal] as being the highest order of Civil Informationing to get under way so far. Cindy has taken it upon herself to do something that she hadn't done before...THAT'S CI...and more!

Perhaps what Cindy found out about the higher levels of management of the peace movements are the same things that we find out in a variety of ways when we try to bring 9/11 Truth into the mainstream. But, I feel that it is much darker, and much more controlled by design. This is why I think that our brothers and sisters all around the world may be the most effective crowbar to unlock the closed doors to 9/11 Truth.

I take full responsibility for my public stand that the darker elements of BOTH the peace movements and the 9/11 Truth Movement are the predetermined and very effective opposition to "peace" and to "9/11 Truth" by Zionism. Should these truths become clear and well understood by the average citizen of the good ole USofA, obviously, the relationship between the USofA and Israel woud radically change.

But of course: We Know!

Here are the connectable dots:

1. During peacetime, the peace movement should have become even more active at informing citizens about the Military Industrial Complex, the Military Industrial Congress, the militarization of our economy, and the militarization of movies and other Hollywood products that innoculated us towards violence and increased our intolerance of "Muslim types". None of this output by Hollywood is either by mistake, or without consequence that we are feeling each and every day of our lives. But the peace movements didn't do much at all during these time periods when the USofA was not at "publicized" war.

I postulate that what actually happened is that the peace movements DELIBERATELY and PURPOSEFULLY went dormant because if the good ole USofA was not at war, then its most likely that most discussions surrounding war and peace woud eventually have to include discussion, heightened observation and appropriate and more objective criticism about Israel's role in the Israel-Palestinie conflict. This woud not serve Zionism well at all, therefore, I claim that the "magnifying glass for PEACE" was effectively, and rather cleverly, put away during these periods of unpublicized wars...aka...what is considered being "at peace" by the average citizen in the good ole USofA.

2. As almost all 9/11 Truthers realize, one of the biggest taboos causing perhps the biggest reaction about seeking and presenting the truth about 9/11 can be summed up by three words: "The Dancing Israelis". All hell breaks loose in ALL facets of mainstream media, in alternative??? media who has Zionist sympathizers withn it, and even within the 9/11 Truth Movement itself when we start to look into Israel's, Mossad's, and Israel-American's roles in the events of 9/11.

3. The connection...

...in many ways, these are the very same people at the top of the peace movements, the corporate media, and atop many other "alleged" progressive movements and internet based political organizations, who are controlling both the direction and the exposure of BOTH sets of TRUTHS: The I-P issue, and the TRUTH behind 9/11. All cleverly hidden...but We Know!

Suggestions:

..don't deal with these leadership types...go around them...

...keep informing the public by using Civil Informationing methods because there are not enough "control agents" to attend or control every street action across the world...athough I observe that they do try...

...keep being our own media...

...keep being our own educators...

...work first with the "peace sneakers"...aka...the very nice people who attend peace marches and the like. These are the people who are aware of the many other elements of our society that also need major corrections. Unlike their leaders, these folks are very OPEN...once they are past the instructions that they have received from their national and local peace leaders...

...take full control of what Cosmos established at the West Coast Peace Convergence:

"The 9/11 Tuth Movement IS the Peace Movement..."

...and never, ever back down from this EXACT truth...seeking PEACE THROUGH TRUTH is our game now!

...and when you have a chance to chant some songs when we get together in "9/11 Truth for Peace" actions, sing:

"All we are sayyying, is give TRUTH a chance..."

Even Zionists and Neocons [a bit redundant I know] cannot block this reality for much longer...

Love, Peace and Progress with:

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Robin Hordon

Thanks Robin for continuing to spend time on thoughtful posts!

Robin said "..work first with the "peace sneakers"...aka...the very nice people who attend peace marches and the like. These are the people who are aware of the many other elements of our society that also need major corrections. Unlike their leaders, these folks are very OPEN...once they are past the instructions that they have received from their national and local peace leaders..." I think you know that is what our "reach out" is all about!

A point I would like to make is that their leaders are under certain influences certainly, but we are all human and as they see our numbers grow they must become inquisitive? I have personally seen movement within these circles this year, so lets hope we will continue to break through.

Regards John

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In case you may have missed it...

Thanks as usual, Robin Hordon. Regarding your comments on Israel, and on the influence of zionism in accounting for the ineffectiveness of peace movements, and on the resistance to talking about such topics as 'the dancing Israelis' even among 9/11 truthers, I wonder if you happened to catch Reprehensor's post on the June 8 anniversary of the U.S.S. Liberty bombing:

http://www.911blogger.com/node/15999/print

Resistance to such issues within 9/11 truth does not have to continue, especially if Reprehensor's advice towards the end is taken into account.