Request For Correction Of NTSB Regarding 9/11 Flight Data Recorder Reports
The following is a Request for Correction received by the National Transportation Safety board on Monday, June 23, 2008 regarding apparent discrepancies contained within factual reports pertaining to the Flight Data Recorders recovered from American Airlines Flight 77 and United Airlines Flight 93, following the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.
To Whom it concerns:
This is a request for correction of information disseminated by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), under Section 515 of the Treasury and General Government Appropriations Act for Fiscal Year 2001 (Public Law 106-554; H.R. 5658), Office of Management and Budget issued government-wide guidelines that provide policy and procedural guidance to Federal agencies for ensuring and maximizing the quality, objectivity, utility, and integrity of information disseminated by Federal agencies.
Aidan Monaghan is the requestor for correction of the NTSB information products referred to herein:
The information products provided by the NTSB that are the subject of this Request are the NTSB's "Specialists Factual Report of Investigation Digital Flight Data Recorder NTSB Number: DCA01MA064", "Specialists Factual Report of Investigation Digital Flight Data Recorder NTSB Number: DCA01MA065" and "Study of Autopilot, Navigation Equipment, and Fuel Consumption Activity Based on United Airlines Flight 93 and American Airlines Flight 77 Digital Flight Data Recorder Information".
These NTSB information products are located at the following NTSB website:
http://www.ntsb.gov/info/foia_fri.htm
The NTSB information products that are the subject of this request contain information that is governed by "Quality of Information Disseminated by the National Transportation Safety Board: Guidelines for Ensuring and Maximizing the Quality of Information", that has been published at the following NTSB website:
http://www.ntsb.gov/Info/quality.htm
The NTSB information products that are the subject of this request for correction are within the meaning of "information" as provided by the NTSB's "Guidelines for Ensuring and Maximizing the Quality of Information", Part II - Definitions.
http://www.ntsb.gov/Info/quality.htm
Within the NTSB information products that are the subject of this request, are contained the following federal aircraft registry identifications that are attributed to airline flights described within each report:
N644AA (American Airlines flight 77) ("Specialists Factual Report of Investigation Digital Flight Data Recorder NTSB Number: DCA01MA064")
N591UA (United Airlines flight 93) ("Specialists Factual Report of Investigation Digital Flight Data Recorder NTSB Number: DCA01MA065")
The following deficiencies contained within "DCA01MA064" and "DCA01MA065",represent sufficient cause for the requestor to question the accuracy of the federal registry aircraft identification information attributed to the Flight Data Recorders (FDR's) that are the subject of each information product and create an appearance that NTSB "Quality of Information" guidelines were not adhered to.
"DCA01MA064" and "DCA01MA065" do not list a "Flight Data Recorder Group", indicating that the NTSB was not provided access to FAA and airline representatives and their records, from which aircraft identifying information, presumably pertaining to N644AA (American Airlines flight 77) and N591UA (United Airlines flight 93), would normally be obtained.
"DCA01MA064" and "DCA01MA065" do not list FDR part and serial numbers required to facilitate the FDR data readouts contained within each report, indicating that the NTSB was not provided access to FAA and airline records presumably pertaining to N644AA (American Airlines flight 77) and N591UA (United Airlines flight 93), from which aircraft identifying information and FDR memory configuration information would normally be obtained.
"Study of Autopilot, Navigation Equipment, and Fuel Consumption Activity Based on United Airlines Flight 93 and American Airlines Flight 77 Digital Flight Data Recorder Information" contains the same federal registry aircraft identification information contained by "DCA01MA064" and "DCA01MA065" and is similarly subject to correction.
The said NTSB information products contain information that is inconsistent with the following information quality definitions established by the NTSB's "Guidelines for Ensuring and Maximizing the Quality of Information":
"Accuracy - factual information must be accurate, clear, concise, and complete."
Moreover, information contained within the NTSB's "Specialists Factual Report of Investigation Digital Flight Data Recorder NTSB Number: DCA01MA064" and "Study of Autopilot, Navigation Equipment, and Fuel Consumption Activity Based on United Airlines Flight 93 and American Airlines Flight 77 Digital Flight Data Recorder Information" (reportedly in regards to N644AA, a.k.a. American Airlines flight 77), was obtained from a FDR data readout file that was last modified 4 hours and 15 minutes before the said FDR was actually recovered.
A September 14, 2001 Associated Press reports indicates:
"Searchers on Friday found the flight data and cockpit voice recorders from the hijacked plane that flew into the Pentagon and exploded, Department of Defense officials said. The two "black boxes," crucial to uncovering details about the doomed flight's last moments, were recovered at about 4 a.m., said Army Lt. Col. George Rhynedance, a Pentagon spokesman."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/14/pentagon-fire.htm
The FDR data file attributed to N644AA (American Airlines flight 77) that was obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request, was last modified on Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 11:45pm.
The FDR recovery time and FDR file modification time discrepancy indicates that the "Specialists Factual Report of Investigation Digital Flight Data Recorder NTSB Number: DCA01MA064" and "Study of Autopilot, Navigation Equipment, and Fuel Consumption Activity Based on United Airlines Flight 93 and American Airlines Flight 77 Digital Flight Data Recorder Information" (reportedly in regards to N644AA, a.k.a. American Airlines flight 77), are not in compliance with the following NTSB "Quality of Information" guidelines:
"Accuracy - factual information must be accurate, clear, concise, and complete."
"Integrity - information released to the public should be secure from tampering, modification, or destruction."
The FDR's that are the subject of this request for correction were apparently recovered by NTSB personnel.
Carol Carmody, Vice-Chairman, National Transportation Safety Board, referring to the NTSB:
"I ... assured FBI Director Mueller that we would assist in any way we could ... he called and said, "Could you send us some people to help find the black boxes and help identify aircraft parts."
http://www.ntsb.gov/speeches/carmody/cc020227.htm
Marion Blakey, Chairman, National Transportation Safety Board, referring to the NTSB:
"Over 60 Safety Board employees worked around the clock in Virginia, Pennsylvania, New York, and at our headquarters in Washington, D. C., assisting with aircraft parts identification"
http://www.ntsb.gov/Speeches/blakey/mcb020625.htm
This requester respectfully recommends the following corrective remedies regarding the said discrepancies:
The NTSB should provide within corrected versions of the NTSB information products in question, information that indicates from what source the federal registry aircraft identification's currently contained by the said information products were obtained, in the event that any Flight Data Recorder Group did not convene.
The NTSB should provide within corrected versions of the NTSB information products in question, the unique FDR serial numbers absent from the said information products, required to facilitate FDR data readout, as these discrepancies represent sufficient cause for the requestor to question the accuracy of all 3 said information products. Any information source that could accurately provide the NTSB with the federal aircraft registry identifications of the subject aircraft, would also possess the unique serial number data for the FDR's last contained by each subject aircraft.
Moreover:
The NTSB should provide a correction for the FDR recovery-time and FDR download file modification-time discrepancy, that will bring all 3 NTSB information products in question, into compliance with NTSB "Quality of Information" guidelines, as the said time discrepancy represents sufficient cause for the requestor to question the accuracy of all 3 said information products.
Thank you for consideration of this request.
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thanks, Aidan- can you dumb this down a bit?
It sounds like your FOIAs have documented some contradictions; what are the key points and details here, briefly?
9/11 Family Steering Committee Review of the 9/11 Commission Report:
http://911truth.org/images/resources/Family%20Steering%20Cmte%20review%2...
Complete 9/11 Timeline
http://cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project
To Summarize
First, the NTSB is alleging that the data obtained from the AA 77 FDR is valid, even though this alleged FDR file was apparently last modified 4 hours and 15 minutes before the actual FDR in question was RECOVERED.
Second, the NTSB needs to explain why they were able to obtain each FDR manufacturer and model type and yet not the unique serial numbers assigned to each and every FDR manufactured. (Serial numbers that are also required to facilitate FDR data readout.)
It seems that the FBI purposely and carefully withheld vital FDR identifying information from the NTSB. (information that would also confirm which federally registered UA and AA aircraft were involved.)
In this case, FDR serial numbers are similar to human DNA. It is as if the FBI alleged that John Doe was recovered, yet refused to provide a medical examiner the DNA records of John Doe to allow the medical examiner to confirm they are examining John Doe. Of course, if a person other that John Doe were recovered, a DNA sample/DNA record mismatch would become apparent to a medical examiner possessing DNA samples and DNA records .
However unlikely, based on the absence of complete information, one could argue that the 2 FDRs in question were simply pulled off the shelf and planted at each crash scene.
Presumably, if the recovered AA 77 and UA 93 FDRs did not possess the memory configurations indicated within FAA and airline aircraft records (serial numbers), a FDR/FDR record MISMATCH could become apparent to NTSB investigators. (i.e.: In theory, the FDR's studied by the NTSB would not be those last known to have been installed aboard N644AA (American Airlines flight 77) and N591UA (United Airlines flight 93).
In Theory
If the FBI provided false FDRs to the NTSB for study and then provided them the aircraft records for AA 77 and UA 93, it could very well become apparent to the NTSB that the FDRs were not those belonging to AA 77 and UA 93. Based on NTSB correspondence, the majority of FDRs possess unique memory configurations. So if the NTSB were prepared to receive FDR data via a certain memory configuration (based on serial numbers contained by FAA and airline aircraft records), it would become apparent to the NTSB that each FDR was false, if each FDR possessed memory configurations that did not match the aircraft records.
One could argue that this is why the FBI did not provide the NTSB with the FDR serial numbers - to conceal that the FDRs were false and/or that other federally registered AA and UA aircraft were involved.
I have always believed that the 9/11 planes were modified for pilotless navigation. In order to conceal any such modification, alleging the involvement of other planes would be one option. In this case, suppressing unique component or device serial number information would become necessary to conceal a switch.
Once again, this is hypothetical.
thanks, this makes it a lot clearer
looking forward to all the facts coming out
9/11 Family Steering Committee Review of the 9/11 Commission Report:
http://911truth.org/images/resources/Family%20Steering%20Cmte%20review%2...
Complete 9/11 Timeline
http://cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project
Recalling NTSB FDR Comments
The FBI was the lead investigative agency after 9/11, so presumably they were the ones to provide the NTSB with evidence and records. Yet, the FBI seems to have withheld from the NTSB records required to facilitate FDR data readout.
One could arguably allege a cover-up.
"Specifically, the following information is required to facilitate data readout: ... FDR Part number and Serial Number"
http://www.ntsb.gov/Aviation/Manuals/FDR_Handbook.pdf
June 11, 2008:
"The Safety Board will include the manufacturer, the part number and the serial number of the recorder in its formal reports (if known)"
June 5, 2008:
"The exact serial number of the unit delineates manufacturing break points. The serial number is used to identify when a recorder manufacturer switched from a certain memory configuration to another. This information is necessary to perform the correct recovery of the data."
June 11, 2008:
"Each recorder does have a unique serial number that is assigned by the manufacturer at the time it is made. In addition to the unique serial number there is a part number that associates the unit with a particular family of recorders. Every recorder has a dataplate affixed to the outside of the unit stating the serial number, part number, date of manufacturer, TSO certification, power requirements and weight. The part number will stay the same even though subtle changes may be made during the manufacturing lifecycle of the recorder. The manufacturer may change some components within the unit as long as the functionality and interchangeability of the unit remain the same. This is where the serial number becomes important. If a recorder with the same part number comes in we need to know what parts were used to make it and that is tracked by individual serial numbers of the recorder."
A little confused . . .
Aidan, are you trying to get the NTSB on board?
What I mean is do you think they already know that they FBI almost surely sent them fabricated data about American Airlines Flight 77 and United Airlines Flight 93 and that they are in on the cover-up (which you are trying to expose).
Or, do you think (and hope) that they just don't KNOW about the cover-up and by your exposing it (in as much as you can), there's a chance they might help you dispute the "official" FBI reports on the airline crashes and join the 9/11 truth effort?
Thanks for kickin' ass, man!
NTSB Seems To Have Simply Done What They Were Told
The NTSB based on their own public records indicate that they were simply providing support to the FBI's investigation of the 9/11 attacks.
It seems that the NTSB has simply taken the "word" of the FBI regarding what registered aircraft the FDRs were recovered from without actually confirming this for themselves.
It seems like the FBI prevented the NTSB from obtaining access to the aircraft records they would normally have and need to have.
This June 16, 2008 Public Inquiry Inbox reply from the NTSB suggests to me that the FBI may have provided no access to the NTSB to the AA 77 and UA 93 aircraft records. Apparently, the NTSB can still obtain a FDR readout without the part and serial numbers (presumably more difficult however, based on following answer and NTSB FDR Handbook part and serial number reference.)
"We usually work around the part numbers and or serial numbers. Most recorders have internal parts that are also serialized and the recorder manufacturer can trace a particular internal sub-part back to a finished unit. So we are usually able to reverse generate a part number and serial number for a recorder (if needed) There are not that many unique recorder types. We see enough recorders to know what model it is and are able to readout the unit, even if we can't identify the part or serial number."So the NTSB references to the FDR manufacturer and models within each FDR report may have been the result of visual inspections of each FDR and not access to the records for each aircraft. I'm hoping my Request for Correction can shed some light on this matter.
If the FDR readout were more difficult to obtain without the aircraft records, why would the FBI withhold them? (As apparently is the case given the absent FDR part and serial numbers within each FDR report.) Was not the FBI 9/11 investigation on a "fast track"?
Interestingly, the NTSB has indicated that FDR part and serial numbers are contained within FAA records. However, an FAA FOIA officer told me last week that this is not the case. She also refused to tell me what federal agency controls the FAA 9/11 aircraft records, yet did refer to the FBI's investigation of the 9/11 attacks, suggesting to me that the FBI still has them 7 years later. (If so, why?)
Reselling the murder weapon to the victims:
IMO: this COULD explain a precision hit on the pentagon. Pilots for 9/11 Truth have proved definitively that something is wrong with "AA77's" FDR. Possibly, the perps couldn't afford a miss on the ultra-fortified Pentagon wall because it could possibly lead to exposing the plane as a mock-up (that wall had to be the best possible place in Washington DC to crash something high speed into almost complete oblivion.)
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2006/12/01/210869/diagrams-boeing-p...
Diagrams: Boeing patents anti-terrorism auto-land system for hijacked airliners
Boeing last week received a US patent for a system that, once activated, removes all control from pilots to automatically return a commercial airliner to a predetermined landing location.
The “uninterruptible” autopilot would be activated – either by pilots, by onboard sensors, or even remotely via radio or satellite links by government agencies like the Central Intelligence Agency, if terrorists attempt to gain control of a flight deck.
Good work! I myself have always wondered how all the remaining
debris of Flight 93 could fit in a dumpster to make it about 1/3 full???
Scroll down to almost the middle of this page to see the smoky hole in the ground & said dumpster: http://www.unitedflight93.com/
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LOL
Thanks for the link, but I have to add this ( www.unitedflight93.com ) is one of the silliest debunking sites I have ever seen. My favorite quote: "Jet fuel is ten times more powerful than TNT. " Wow! While I don't actually know the TNT equivalent of jet fuel, I will take a wild guess that it is not 10x more powerful. LOL
I know you were sending a link just to show the picture, but that was funny enough I had to share it. :-)
Once again
Aiden, this is good.
There is a small grammatical error, repeated at least twice. Sometimes stuff like that can be used by unscrupulous bureaucrats to toss an inconvenient request out.
Here it is:
"...would also possess the unique serial number data for the FDR's last contained by each subject aircraft."
I am looking at 'FDR's'. With the apostrophe, that is a possessive, as in "belonging to the FDR." The plural needs no apostrophe.
Here is another example of the same thing:
"...federal registry aircraft identification information attributed to the Flight Data Recorders (FDR's) that are..."
The plural needs no apostrophe, and this is not meant as a possessive.
Sorry for the pedantry. But, as you know, we have to present absolutely clean documents, since the perps will look for any imperfection as an excuse to toss out our case.
Thanks for the continued good work.
AA77 is the "False-Flag-Flight" on 9/11...
Aidan,
Simply tremendous work about seeking accurate facts about the FDRs and the the like. Clearly these devices ARE hackable, or modifyable, and we simply need to know the facts.
BTW...I have seen some RADES radar data from the PLN radar site and it is exposing some very interesting "stuff" about the primary target that "conveniently popped up" west of Dulles as seen by Danielle O'Brien and her fellow controllers. And again, NOBODY any where at any time positively reidentified AA77 after it was lost to positiveradar contact in eastern Ohio. The "dis-info system" has simply bought into accepting O'Brien's primary target as being AA77...but there is no confirming evidence of this.
If we can establish the the FDR et al, of AA77 has been tampered with, as has the RADES radar data covering low altitudes in the WDC area [or, there was some excellent new "stealth technologies" in use] , then we will open up further avenues for investigation.
Never forget Chip Burlingame, the captain of AA77 on 9/11...
...just a few years before 9/11, Burlingame was involved in the "attack-defend scenario" military "War Games" planning actvities that considered airliners being hiljacked and crashed into the Pentagon.
There is more to come...so, keep it up truthers...
Thanks so much...
Roin Hordon
Thanx Robin
You're a tough critic, so I appreciate your comments.
; )
Speaking of FOIA requests
I was wondering if it might be worthwhile to request the original files of whitehouse photographer David Bohrer's photos of Cheney in the PEOC. If he used a digital camera, wouldn't we be able to view the EXIF data to see when the photos in the PEOC were taken? Aside from the EXIF data, higher resolution images than those found on the web might reveal the time on Cheney's watch, which can be seen in many of the photos available (and perhaps in other photos that we haven't seen).
Any thoughts?
OT: Doh! We forgot about the core!
failed bldg implosion in Coral Gables http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW_2vlewhwU
Someone made sure that 9/11 didn't look like this!
If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention.
Thanks allot for this effort...well done!
Keep pushing and we will break through!
Kind regards John
9/11 24/7 UNTIL JUSTICE!!