No New 9/11 Commission After All?
No New 9/11 Commission After All?
For weeks, Les Jameison told supporters, reporters, and petition gatherers that it was possible to put a citizens referendum for a new privately financed 9/11 commission on New York City's November ballot. From this week's New York:
They’re calling for a privately funded investigative panel, empowered with subpoena authority by the City Council and staffed with their own slate, including former senators Lincoln Chafee and Mike Gravel, 9/11 widow Lorie Van Auken, and Asner. They’d redo the work of Tom Kean’s federal commission, which they call “seriously flawed.
Now we hear that the initiative has come up short of the requisite 30,000 signatures and will have to extend its petition drive to the next election cycle. "We were hoping to get the signatures to the City Council (before September 4) but we have come up short and are very disappointed we have run out of time," Jameison said. The Brooklyn Web designer claims the campaign has gathered 25,000 signatures and says he will soon send a formal notice to supporters of the initiative nationwide. These include 9/11 widow Lorie Van Auken and Ed Asner (who have agreed to serve on the proposed commission) and financial donors like human-rights lawyer William Pepper, former Dallas Cowboy Mark Stepnoski, and California businessman Michael Davis. —Mary Reinholz
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2008 - referendum campaign already successful
I see the NYC 9/11 Ballot Initiative and especially due to the efforts of Les Jamieson, its volunteer coordinator and web designer, as one of the most successful campaigns of the 9/11truth movement, and one of the best ways to eventually get a real independent investigation.
There was always the chance for the Mayor to veto the referendum vote, even with enough signatures to override a City Council rejection. However, 25,000 heroic NYC citizens and voters have signed a petition for 9/11 truth, and the campaign has broke through media barriers with programs on Democracy Now, NY Magazine, and much more..
The process and unity to get a new real investigation is using every effort to increase awareness for a critical mass awakening. The NYC 9/11truth movement deserves much appreciation, and with enough support, we will get an independent thorough investigation, testimony, and report; sooner, better than later.
Thank you NYC truthers..
jonathan
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I imagine...
That those 5,000 signatures could have been gotten if everyone in NYC worked together.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
no kidding
it makes my brain hurt to think about it. do the various 9/11 truth groups in NY that dont get along need to be reminded why they exist in the first place? i will say this: not one of them will get another penny from me until we can learn how to get a new investigation without hindering ourselves in getting a new investigation.
I bet it would have been a piece of cake to get 50,000 signatures had these groups worked together. deplorable.
What?
What possible reason could there be for cancelling all efforts before the Sept. 4th deadline??
Especially after the recent publicity in New York Magazine??
Only five thousand votes are needed and we have several weeks to get them. This should be a time for the huge last push and publicity campaign, not the time to throw in the towel?
What am I missing here? Something stinks!
If Les wants to bail out, let someone else take the lead and see this to the finish!
Radical Pragmatist
Good point...
Why stop before the deadline?
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
So what happens to the 25,000 signatures already gotten?
Do they just go down the toilet? Do they have to start from scratch?
http://www.pdamerica.org
http://www.change-congress.org
sigs carried over..
my understanding from les and reflecting pool filmmakers are that the signatures can be carried over into 2009.
I can only assume that getting more than 5,000 more to gain the substantiated 30,000 signatures of registered voters was more than the campaign could produce.. each signee signs 3-pages; and getting each signature takes time.. but maybe this pre-announcement could revitalize the campaign.. or at least rolls over into continuing efforts to unite nyc voters to demand new investigations until this results.
jonathan
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>>I can only assume that
>>I can only assume that
That's the whole problem here, most activists have no idea of what is going on, only Les, Pepper and a few. Seems pretty wrong for a truth effort.
I just sent...
A letter to the NYC Ballot Intiative. As RP says, this makes no sense whatsoever.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
Letters will only be
Letters will only be answered w/ platitudes if at all -- "I can assure you" etc., and amount to nothing because the whole effort is not transparent. We wait like an audience to see what happens next on the stage.
??????????
OUT OF TIME???!!!! NOT YET!
What the heck? Only 5000 more needed! I don't get it. It isn't Sept 4th yet!
Come on!
I just sent...
Jamieson an email.
Subject: Why Are You Quitting With 5,000 Signatures Needed And Two 1/2 Weeks Left?
Les,
You have until 9/4 correct? Today is August 15th. That means you have more than half a month to try and get the remaining 5,000 signatures. After the coverage you received in NYMag, why would you even consider quitting?
Jon Gold
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
counting and validating
My understanding of the process is that the 30K signatures that would have been presented to the NYC City Council have to be counted and validated BEFORE they are submitted. Since this process is done by the city, itself, it takes a few weeks. There is also the common problem that some of the signatures would be disqualified for any number of reasons. In most ballot drives, organizers usually like to have a pad of at least 25 percent extra to offset disqualified signatures and insure they meet the quota. That would mean that we would have really needed 35K to 40K collected by now, so they could be counted and validated by Sept. 4th.
Thank-you for that clarification,
Still, there IS some time left: Use the Obama secret weapon: text message to all New-York supporters to go out and get 5 or 10 signatures more ! We are talking about 5000 or 10.000 signatures: It can be done if we START NOW, this week-end !!!
NOW is the time for Miracles ! THIS IS THE SUMMER OF TRUTH !
This is election time, and people are becoming more politically aware... Even CBS television is questioning why the Democratic National Convention needs its very own "Gitmo On The Platte" complete with electric stun devices as if it was designed to be some kind of meat processing plant". ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQEc3ejHIaM )
We need to redouble our efforts, and make miracles : This IS already the summer of Truth, it is not for 2009 !
Cynthia McKinney presents a real change in direction of US politics. McCain, we all agree, is most likely more of Bush, but worse, Clinton is a continuation of DC as a District of Criminality, and Obama is a continuation of the policies and people of The Council of Foreign Relations, like Bzrezinski and Zelikow, the same foxes who brought us the lies about Al Qaeda and 9/11 ! Read a comparison of the candidates in the August issue of "The Rock Creek Free Press" http://rockcreekfreepress.com/CreekV2No8-Web.pdf
We can have the change we need ! However, we may have to work for it this summer !
Love,
Dr Beeth
"unflinching, unswerving, fierce intellectual determination, as citizens, to define the real truth of our lives and our societies is a crucial obligation which devolves upon us all. It is in fact mandatory. If such a determination is not embodied in our political vision we have no hope of restoring what is so nearly lost to us - the dignity of man." (Harold Pinter)
Take the initiative to the Howard Stern show
I'm from Amsterdam (Holland), so I really don't have a clue about tactical short-term activism for the NY area, but what about asking Jesse Ventura to URGENTLY appear on the Howard Stern show again, just to get people's attention to the 9/11 ballot initiative. I mean, half the entire NY population listens to Howard Stern, right? So why not "out-source" this to him and/or Jesse Ventura? This way you might get a 100,000 or more people on board within a week or something.
But hey, I'm just some guy from the other side of the Atlantic, so what do I know...
Carrying Forward the NYC 9/11 Ballot Initiative
Carrying Forward the NYC 9/11 Ballot Initiative
http://911blogger.com/node/17161