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Bad Faith: WTC 7 and the Official Lies

Crimes of the State

With the release of the NIST final report on Building 7 we can safely say that the government remains committed to the ongoing cover-up, and that crucial evidence was simply ignored, fairy tales were manufactured, and that's good enough for a lot of media. Perhaps a super-majority of media.

As media, "the press," will not perform its function as society's government watchdog, and will not pursue the gaping holes in this wizard's curtain, it's basically left to us -- you and me -- to clear up this matter for our fellow citizens. We are at a serious disadvantage, and yet the task is not so daunting as rabid "debunkers" would have you believe.

Let's defer to one of their own, the former head of NIST's Fire Science Division (the federal government organization which produced the sham report linked above).

Dr. James Quintere Phd. certainly meets the criteria of "expert" as well as "specialist" and "insider." Here's what he had to say about NIST's 7 year farce investigating the 9/11 building "collapses."

Quintere:

"I have over 35 years of fire research in my experience. I worked in the fire program at NIST for 19 years, leaving as a division chief. I have been at the University of Maryland since. I am a founding member and past-Chair of the International Association for Fire Safety Science—the principal world forum for fire research."

“In my opinion, the WTC investigation by NIST falls short of expectations by not definitively finding cause, by not sufficiently linking recommendations of specificity to cause, by not fully invoking all of their authority to seek facts in the investigation, and by the guidance of government lawyers to deter rather than develop fact finding."

Alan Miller reports:

"Dr. Quintiere made his plea during his presentation, 'Questions on the WTC Investigations' at the 2007 World Fire Safety Conference. 'I wish that there would be a peer review of this,' he said, referring to the NIST investigation. 'I think all the records that NIST has assembled should be archived. I would really like to see someone else take a look at what they’ve done; both structurally and from a fire point of view.'”

“'I think the official conclusion that NIST arrived at is questionable,' explained Dr. Quintiere. 'Let's look at real alternatives that might have been the cause of the collapse of the World Trade Towers and how that relates to the official cause and what's the significance of one cause versus another.'”

"'I hope to convince you to perhaps become 'Conspiracy Theorists', but in a proper way,' he said."

--Former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division Calls for Independent Review of World Trade Center Investigation, By Alan Miller, August 21, 2007, Oped News

This degree of honesty and risk to one's reputation and career is seldom seen from high-level government officials. We must take these warnings and revelations seriously. Much more seriously than NIST has done, considering their best guess is that a "new phenomenon" brought Building 7 down, even though much hotter and longer-lasting fires have never had a similar effect on other high rise buildings in all of history. "Global collapse" just does not happen to steel framed skyscrapers due to fire. It has not happened anywhere in the world before or since that one September day.

I called this article "Bad Faith," and here is why. As Dr. Qunitere has indicated, the investigation was hindered by "government lawyers," and thus is clearly tainted. Its conclusions are suspect, and a true independent investigation and "truth and reconciliation" must occur if this matter is to be truly solved: if we are to ever have justice for the crimes of September 11th 2001.

Bad Faith was the White House stalling for 444 days before acquiescing to calls for a 9/11 investigation at all. Witholding millions of documents and access to key witnesses was also indication of cover-up and of acting in "bad faith" rather than as a "good faith" source of information.

Bad Faith is ignoring the many whistleblowers, like Sibel Edmonds, Indira Singh, Colleen Rowley, Harry Samit, Robert Wright and even the sitting Senator Bob Graham who told PBS about the "foreign governments" who were part of the 9/11 plot. But Graham was unable to disclose these "governments" for fear of imprisonment!

Most relevant to the WTC7 building investigation is that all of the steel [which they now attempt to use computers to simulate, as if that was an acceptable forensic substitute] was disappeared from history, and melted down in Asia -- ILLEGALLY -- and without any justification whatsoever.

Bad Faith is that NIST deliberately misled the public by claiming that "140 decibel" explosives would have been required to take out support columns, knowing full well that evidence of incendiary material (thermate) was found, which produces no such noise. Further, on-scene witnesses heard many, many explosions and reported those, but this is not allowed to factor in to the NIST cover-up.

Bad Faith is also trying to dismiss "conspiracy" at every opportunity, by attempting to argue that because of a particular claim regarding this particular building, no "conspiracy" could have occurred on 9/11 at all. This is ludicrous reasoning on its face.

Even the government's official story is a conspiracy theory. We are duty bound to investigate the extent and reach of this conspiracy -- as in what really happened that day, what preceded the day which allowed it to occur, and what was blatantly covered-up after the fact.

People who don't trust the Bush regime to tell them the truth about anything else you could possibly name suddenly lose all capacity for critical thought once the "sacred" topic of 9/11 is touched. If these people could just acknowledge that a cover-up exists, that would be the first step to demanding the actual truth.

Perhaps there's a 12 step process involved in escaping Plato's cave. One must accept the possiblity of a cover-up, given the blatant and overwhelming evidence of its existence. To deny this is infantile and a clear example of cognitive dissonance.

Why would you accept Bad Faith excuses from a lying, despotic, war criminal
regime?

Why?

It truly boggles the mind.

J.D.

Further debunking of the new NIST WTC7 report:

Debunking NIST's Conclusions about WTC 7: Easy as Shooting Fish in a Barrel, George Washington's
Blog

 

Links included:

Crimes of the State Blog

http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/

NIST WTC 7 Investigation Finds Building Fires Caused Collapse

Report and Recommendations for Improving Building Safety Released for Comment


http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/releases/wtc082108.html#docs

Former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division Calls for Independent Review of World Trade Center Investigation

http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/print_friendly.php?p=genera_alan_mil_070820_former_chief_of_nist.htm

PBS News Hour, IMPROVING INTELLIGENCE, December 11, 2002

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/congress/july-dec02/intelligence_12-11.html

Debunking NIST's Conclusions about WTC 7: Easy as Shooting Fish in a Barrel

http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2008/08/debunking-nists-conclusions-about-wtc-7.html

Well said!

If I wasn't overwhelmed with other pressing demands I would like to write an Op Ed on this topic and title it:

(9/11 + WT7) - WMDs = 1984
Bush Science and NIST Report do not add up

I think I'll make it into a banner.

I invite West Coast Activists to join us in our 7th Annual 9/11 Truth Rally and March on September 6th, 10 am at the Panhandle (between Oak and Fell) @ Ashbury in San Francisco. Our featured speaker will be Richard Gage, AIA, founder of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth http://www.ae911truth.org and we'll have our giant flawed replica for the parade to the 10th Annual 911 Power to the Peaceful Festival http://www.powertothepeaceful.org (which draws 50,000 people and is very receptive to our message).

Richard Gage, AIA will also be one of the featured speakers at our 4th Annual 9/11 Film Festival, September 11th, 2008 at the Grand Lake Theater in Oakland.

Evolving Details on the 9/11 March/Rally posted at- http://www.communitycurrency.org/9-6rally.html

Evolving Schedule for the Film Festival posted at- http://www.communitycurrency.org/filmfestival2008.html


Richard Gage, AIA


March with us! September 6, 2008 in San Francisco!


Grand Lake Theater, Oakland, September 11, 2008

Carol Brouillet
http://www.communitycurrency.org

EVERYONE needs to sign the petition at ae911truth.org

Carol, I like your "math".

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Be cautious with Quintiere!

He is infor his own agenda- last year the german ZDF brought their version of the BBC Guy Smith hitpiece, and in it they presented Quintiere heavily promoting the truss failure theory, that NIST did castaway back in 2004. Why should he?

Certainly he believes that the WTC was poorly constructed- or he plays such a card.

Thermal expansion? You've got to be kidding!

Where did the high temperatures come from that would have allowed the structural steel to undergo "thermal expansion" in the first place? The "heat sink" effect itself would have dissipated any buildup of heat in any one location to cooler areas.

With this ludicrous explanation for the global collapse of WTC 7, NIST has moved those sitting on the 9/11 fence over to the 9/11 Truth Movement’s side. I'm also sure that many who believed the official narrative of 9/11 are now scratching their heads and finally thinking for themselves.

So true

"With this ludicrous explanation for the global collapse of WTC 7, NIST has moved those sitting on the 9/11 fence over to the 9/11 Truth Movement’s side. I'm also sure that many who believed the official narrative of 9/11 are now scratching their heads and finally thinking for themselves."

Brian, I believe you are spot on. The NIST report is a great step forward for us.

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Pravda Calling 9/11 False-flag Attack

I'm reposting this in hopes it will get the attention it deserves.

http://www.911blogger.com/node/17284
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/22-08-2008/106172-september_...

Impeachment is Not Enough PRAVDA
22.08.2008

Indict all of the US government officials and their allies who planned and carried out the 9/11 attacks

A preponderance of evidence shows that the highest officials of the Bush Administration, in collusion with many other officials from the Pentagon, CIA, FBI, FEMA, NSA, NORAD, New York City officials, air-traffic contollers, airline executives, controlled demolitions experts, computer graphics technicians, media executives, and others together planned and committed the horrible attacks of 9/11/2001 against the Pentagon and the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center in New York City. The 9/11 attacks were immediately blamed on some bogus 'Arab highjackers', a half dozen of whom were later confirmed to be still alive, and therefore innocent, after the 9/11 attacks.

The false-flag 9/11 attacks provided the excuse for the US government's 'War on Terrorism', the chief purpose of which is for the USA to gain control of the lucrative oil fields of the Middle East. A secondary purpose is to increase the taxation of US citizens for Defense spending in support of the USA's enormous Military/Industrial Complex, and a tertiary purpose is to establish justification of the enactment of Police State measures within the USA under the vast, far-reaching, and politically ambiguous umbrella of 'Homeland Security'. When the rights of freedom of speech and assembly are curtailed for the citizens of the USA, the US government will be able to pursue its agenda of world domination without the domestic distraction of dissident opinions, protests, and demonstrations.

The Pentagon, CIA, FBI, and other agencies and officials of the US government have perpetrated many crimes, assassinations, and false-flag bombings and attacks against US citizens and US interests during the past fifty years, including, but by no means limited to, the State political assassinations of John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Robert Fitzgerald Kennedy, and Martin Luther King; the 1988 Berlin Disco bombing; the 1993 World Trade Center bombing; the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing; and the anthrax letter attacks of October 2001. The US government and its allies also committed the Bali bombings of 2002 and 2005; the Madrid train bombings of 2004; the London 7/7/2005 bombings; and the recent spate of bombings in Ahmedabad, Jaipur, Bangalore, and at the Indian Embassy in Kabul during the summer of 2008.

More:
http://www.911blogger.com/node/17284
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/22-08-2008/106172-september_...

Life is getting even stranger

I get two city newspapers and for the past few months I have simply picked them up at my door and taken them to the office and left them out for public consumption.

Maybe I can get Pravda delivered.

I havn't watched TV in two years.

When I say TV I am referring to Broadcast or cable. I tried to watch PBS Frontline a few months ago
and had to turn it off within 15 minutes.

I watch DVDs...lots of them

North Texans for 911 Truth (new site)
http://tellstruth.webs.com/index.htm
North Texans for 911 Truth Meetup Site
http://9-11.meetup.com/249/

Frontline - I have some fond memories

The Karl Rove episode was the last I watched

It's interesting...

... that they list "computer graphics technicians" as possible suspects. This is a reference to what -- the Pentagon video (which was obviously touched up), or "video fakery" of twin tower crashes which has long been discredited?

Otherwise, great article. And probably true, I am afraid to say...

It is also interesting that they have published it now, when US-Russian relations have really taken a nosedive. Suddenly, you begin to hear something resembling the truth from their side... They should have done it much sooner, instead of playing friends with Bush...

Article

When was this article written?

"Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists."

These are the kind of entries scanned and added to databases. I'd be careful in coming out freely in support of Russian pubs. I'm in total agreement but you may inadvertently provide excuses for recrimination against the 9/11 Truth Movement.

I believe, the gap between criticizing government and being labeled a terrorist is closing fast!

Pravda
...don't believe them!

Bush Investigation

The only reason NIST is investigating this is because Bush signed a new law called The National Construction Safety Team (NCST) Act just for this......"signed into law on Oct. 1, 2002, by President Bush, authorizes the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) to establish teams to investigate building failures"
http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/factsheet/constructionact.htm
"NIST is a non-regulatory agency of the U.S. Department of Commerce."

The highest award the Dept of Commerce gives is its "Gold medal Award" which Shyam Sunder received for ...you guessed it...his work on the twin towers..."Gold Medal Award (2005) for his distinguished leadership of the federal building and fire safety investigation of the World Trade Center disaster from the U.S. Department of Commerce."
http://wtc.nist.gov/pi/wtc_profiles.asp?lastname=sunder

The rationale was that FEMA

The rationale was that FEMA had run into too many problems and they needed things like subpoena power so it was modeled on the NTSB. Apparently the act was supported by the families. It would be interesting to look into the history more and these "types" of investigations in general. The assumption is that they are "all knowing" and require no oversight. There is public commentary, but without the original evidence, outsiders are unable to replicate the results of their tests. They can end up functioning entirely to blockade any real investigation.

Found this gem on Controlled Demolition Inc.

"Although reports of molten steel are consistent with the persistent heat at Ground Zero in the months following the attack, we find the American Free Press report suspect for two reasons. First, Tully Construction was one of four companies awarded contracts by New York City's Department of Design and Construction to dispose of the rubble at Ground Zero, and CDI was subcontracted by Tully and was instrumental in devising a plan to recycle the steel. The involvement of Steve Tully and Mark Loizeaux in the destruction of the evidence of the unprecedented collapses would seem to disqualify them as objective reporters of evidence. Interestingly, CDI was also hired to bury the rubble of the Murrah Building in the wake of the Oklahoma City Bombing. That Loizeaux stood trial on charges of illegal campaign contributions casts further doubt on his credibility."
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/moltensteel.html

"The senior attorney in a two-lawyer firm got word that a long-time corporate client and the company's two principals faced federal felony charges stemming from allegedly illegal campaign contributions. A conviction — any conviction — would leave the company in ruins."

Fire Power: It Took Three Lawyers to Stop the Destruction of CDI Inc.
http://www.zuckerman.com/script.php?page=html&printid=NewsID&NewsID=46&s...

This is the man supporting the official story in the BBC documentary. I wonder why they didn't bring up the fact that he was on trial for illegal campaign contributions. He was not convicted.

p.s. good work by JD. Good stuff.
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They swim in their sea of lies...

but they don't realize that it is a fish bowl, and everybody is watching them with awe and amusement.

thermal expansion

you can calculate the amount of thermal expansion here..by plugging in the numbers....
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/thermo/thexp.html

I figured at 400 c a change of 0.07904m would occur and at 600 c a change of 0.12064 would occur.

Help in using the calculator

Could you specify how you came up with those figures? What is the "expansion coefficient " etc, and what did you use, etc.?

numbers

expansion coeff. is 13 for steel it's in the same box...the length is 16 m if memory is correct from the report.....

Stupid question but...

... I thought the result would appear in the "A length change = " slot when I fill in all the other slots, but it doesn't. How does it work? Or is it not a "calculator" - you have to calculate it yourself?

click on ...length change in the formula

after filling in the other fields....

Calculations

Thanks. (That was not obvious.)

Now, according to NIST, the burnables burned out in any given location in about 20 minutes, during which fire-protected steel can reach the temperature of 200 degrees Celsius. [1] I used the following figures:

original length= 16 meters
exp.coeff= 13 x -6
original temperature= 20
Final temperature=200

This gives a length change of 0.037 meters, ie less than 5 centimeters.

Even if the fires lasted for 30 minutes, the temperature of the fire-protected steel would remain under 300 degrees Celsius. That gives a length change of 0.058 meters - less than 10 centimeters.

But isn't this assuming that the entire length of the steel is heated up uniformly? In reality, it wouldn't be heated so.

And does NIST specify the amount of expansion that had to take place?

[1] http://www.terasrakenneyhdistys.fi/suunnittelijoille/hitsatutprofiilit/H...
(p. 216)

I didn't see it.....

"And does NIST specify the amount of expansion that had to take place?"

I didn't see it if they did.....but....

From the NIST report page.... 70/115 "failed at steel temperatures that were approximately 400 C or less primarely due to the effects of thermal expansion".
http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1A_for_public_comment.pdf

which would mean the most expansion possible according to them would be 0.07904m ..........
Of course they pretend there was no molten metal and vaporized steel and you also have to believe a symmetrical collapse took place outside the building while an asymmetrical collapse took place inside the building and on and on....so the thermal expansion of .07904m caused the building to go down in the form of a controlled demolition.......that's about 3 inches