CBS News archivist claims "impossible to find" Rather/Giuliani "black box" footage

The following query was mailed by an associate to footage@cbs.com

"I write to request all available information concerning the segment of archival CBS News footage that is currently available on YouTube here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_RbtEkjqIU&feature=related#

Specifically, I seek answers to these questions:

1) What is the date and time of the original airing?

2) Is there any subsequent update, follow-up or correction in the archives regarding the contents of this bulletin?

3) Mr. Rather's language indicates he has seen and intends to air a "video" of Rudolph Giuliani "holding up" a "flight recorder box" recovered from Gound Zero. Does CBS News possess video of Rudolph Giuliani matching Rather's description? If not, did CBS News possess such video when Rather announced this bulletin? If CBS News no longer possesses such video, what became of it and who currently has custody of it?

4) If CBS still has custody of the video of Rudolph Giuliani described in #3, what steps might be taken to acquire a copy of this footage?

Thank you for your cooperation and kind attention.

Respectfully,"

The following response was received:

"Unfortunately we have no way of identifying this clip just by looking at it on YouTube. Also we have hours and hours of footage from 9/11 and it would be impossible to find what you want. We’ve done a search of our archive from the information you supplied below and have been unable to find anything.

Ann M. Fotiades
Unit Manager
CBS News Information Resources
amf@cbsnews.com"

So CBS News has fully searched its archive and has been "unable to find anything."

Is it plausibly "impossible to find" even the footage of Rather issuing this bulletin within the CBS News archives of their 9/11 coverage? If so, how did the YouTube poster recover it? When CBS demands that YouTube remove the clip due to "copyright infringement", will CBS still be "unable to find" it?

Perhaps some concerned citizen with appropriate skills can assist CBS in digitizing its news archive before any more history is lost.

Their response

simply means that they're unable to find the requested clip/sequence with the information provided. CBS is certainly not going to dedicate staff time and resources to locate a clip of something when it isn't to their benefit financially or due to some other requirement. In the future, with more specific information in hand regarding the time and date of the original broadcast, one would likely be able to request and receive a copy from CBS.

MrEguy

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Vanderbilt University has the largest TV News archive in the country.

http://tvnews.vanderbilt.edu/

If you write to them and schedule an appointment, you could probably view as much footage as you want and certainly identify the date and time of Dan Rather's remark. They will certainly not do your research for you. For a fee, they may even give you an archival copy. As far as the footage of Giuliani that Rather refers to, he doesn't say he actually saw it and he probably didn't. News anchors are constantly given instructions from the control room thru a wire in their ear. So they are telling him they have some footage and then they tell him they are unable to show it for technical reasons, which may actually be true. The remote footage of Giuliani may or may not exist. It may have been a rumor that made its way to the CBS control room. Then again, the footage might actually exist. I can tell you from experience, raw footage from an event like 9/11 is like gold -- extremely valuable, and the cameramen and producers take extra precautions to safeguard it. But if it exists, finding it will require massive detective work and sources inside CBS, and in that regard, their response was quite honest, they don't have the resources to do that kind of search, unless of course, they were producing their own program for which they could sell lots of commercial airtime.

Thanks for the link and the perspective

"So they are telling him they have some footage and then they tell him they are unable to show it for technical reasons, which may actually be true. The remote footage of Giuliani may or may not exist. It may have been a rumor that made its way to the CBS control room."

This strikes me as a contradiction. Even if it is true that "rumors" plausibly reach the control rooms of national news networks, does it follow they would actually be transmitted--unvetted--as instructions to an anchorperson? If Rather has not himself seen the footage, does not the plain fact of his introducing it strongly suggest that someone in authority in the control room has seen it and is preparing it to air?

Further, if Rather's announcement of such a crucial find were in error due to someone in the control room "jumping the gun", would he not be compelled in short order to announce a retraction/correction on air? The footage of such a correction would also meet the description in the request, would it not?

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One not unlikely scenario...

The footage is shot and transmitted to the control room, the director informs Rather through his earpiece and as Rather makes his on air announcement the producer intervenes to kill the tape of Giuliani and the director gives Rather the "technical difficulties" excuse as an out.

This was the most hectic day in American television history for broadcasters, so it is also possible that the footage did get messed up somehow.

However, I think it is quite likely that as events unfolded, key producers and executive producers began to assert greater control over what made it onto the air, especially in the case of the major anchors like Rather, Jennings and Brokaw. This was one of the main lessons learned from the news coverage of the false flag in Oklahoma City, imo.

A short video, or even a still image, of Giuliani holding a "black box" would be priceless, I must say.

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"If Rather has not himself seen the footage, does not the plain fact of his introducing it strongly suggest that someone in authority in the control room has seen it and is preparing it to air?"

Not at all! An extremely likely scenario is that a field producer phoned the news directer in the control room and tells him/her that s/he heard that they've found a "black box" and thinks they can get their cameraman over there to get a live shot. It would be "an exclusive" in TV jargon. A live shot is transmitted from a one of those TV vans we have all seen, mounted with a microwave dish. Given the chaotic scene at Ground Zero that day, any number of technical problems are possibilities. It also could have been taped and captured, but that, too, would need to be transmitted by the microwave dish on their van to be aired in a timely fashion. As far as a retraction/correction, in most situations you are right, but I think it's generally accepted that they all get "a pass" because it was such a frantic situation.

This whole question of whether Giuliani was there when a black box was found is a worthwhile pursuit. There are lots of avenues you can take to uncover the validity of the claim and lots has been written about it already. The Rather comment only justifies the "reason" to pursue it, but in-and-of itself proves nothing. But it's a strong justification and starting point if you want to pursue a serious investigation on your own. The first thing you need is the date and time of the Rather comment. CBS obviously is not interested in helping you with that, you're going to have to get that info without their help. It's really not that hard to do. Once you have that, you can write back to CBS with that info and ask them if they ever corroborated that claim and/or if they ever aired a retraction. Where to go from there depends on what they say -- it's a step-by-step process. Good Luck.

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However, if the NYC 9/11 ballot initiative is passed, these and other archives can be obtained by subpoena.

What is of great interest to me is any raw footage at Ground Zero that was not broadcast that may have captured sights or sounds tied to controlled demolitions.

With all of the reports of explosions before either tower fell, I suspect some were recorded.

We shouldn't be surprised,

though, if the little gremlins at work for the CIA etc. have already scoured the archives (including those at the university which someone else cited above), removing particularly incriminating segments and footage (then burying them in the modern-day equivalent of Orwell's "memory hole").