WeAreChangeLA grills General Wesley Clark on Operation Gladio, KLA and 9/11 wargames

On 10/3/08, retired Four-Star General Wesley Kanne Clark took part in a discussion about International Justice at the UCLA Law School. Clark, who had been Supreme Allied Commander Europe (SACEUR) of NATO during Operation Allied Force in the Kosovo War, insisted that international justice is important but in conflict with the long history in the United States of acting as seen fit in the moment.

Clark gave examples of the US-driven coups in Iran, Guatemala and Chile, but failed to mention Operation Gladio, which, under NATO and CIA cover with help from extremist-right fascist secret societies, utilized false-flag terrorism against innocent civilians in Europe after World War II. He also, of course, failed to mention his connections with the leaders of the Kosovo Liberation Army, who were known to have committed atrocities against civilians, were closely linked to Al-Qaeda (Al-CIA-duh!) and seriously involved in the international heroin trade.

So, I decided to bring it up after the talk was over while Clark was yacking it up about his debate the night before with Karl Rove. Incidentally, Clark has been alleged to have said-whether seriously or not is debated- that the only reason that he is a registered Democrat is because Rove didn't return his phone calls.

Clark first appeared to play dumb or uninterested when I mentioned Operation Gladio, but then felt the need to respond when I brought up the KLA. He responded only by saying, "I heard the Soviets say that." Then realized he had betrayed his Cold War mentality, and fixed it by saying "I heard the Russians say it." He could only nod reluctantly when I said "Western historians don't deny that sir, right?" He then deliberatively repeated "I heard the Russians say that." If it was some type of coded-language that I was supposed to get, I didn't. Then, quickly, it was agreed that it was time for lunch.

I pressed on and asked him, while he walked to lunch, whether he thought the mimetic war-games that took place on 9/11 were a coincidence. He shrugged it off like it was a joke. I waited for some other folks to talk with him while dodging some of the various handlers trying to fend me off of the put-upon general. And then, after reminding him of his assertion that the 9/11 investigation had not been finished by the Commission, and asserting that I took Article III Section 3 of the Constitution to mean that a cover-up of an act of war is treason, I asked him again if he thought those mimetic war-games were a coincidence on 9/11. He never gave an answer, except for saying "c'mon" after I asked him if his silence was an answer of some sort.

So, all in all, Clark's responses to some serious allegations and questions were:
1) "I heard the Russians say that"
2) "No really...I gave the lecture." (aka "What more do you want kid?")
3) "..."
4) "C'mon?!"

Maybe I shouldn't have "overwhelmed him" with those stubborn fact things. It's just that I expect much more from a man who took an oath to willingly kill or be killed to defend our Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic. A couple words that hint at truth and accountability shouldn't be too much to ask right? Saying that "we've never finished the investigation of 9/11" or musing "whether the administration actually misused the intelligence information it had," and then not answering a sincere questioner is just not going to cut it from an alleged patriot at this late date of an all-out Constitutional and civilizational crisis.

And I don't think it could even be argued that Clark is dim-witted or ignorant. He has consistently excelled wherever he is operating, was valedictorian of his class at West Point and later awarded a Rhodes Scholarship. Clark also received a Knighthood and is recognized by Britain as a Knight Commander of the Order of the British Empire. The motto of this Order is "For God and the Empire." Maybe that's part of the problem, you know, the Empire part. It sort of conflicts with the oath to defend the Constitution of a Democratic Republic.

Finally, in recognition of the hypocrisy of this man speaking about "International Justice," note that Clark has given public support for the "School of the Americas," now known as the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation, where many dictators and death-squads have been trained over the decades in such un-American arts as psychological warfare and other techniques of "counter-insurgency" against civilian peoples (aka terrorism). Many of the graduates of this school have perpetrated numerous international injustices, war crimes and political murders. So, I vote for no more talk from Mr. Clark about justice of any kind until he fesses up about the hard and dark truths that must be faced in order to create the beautiful future that our descendants deserve and our ancestors dream.
On these matters, check out the stellar work of scholars such as:
Peter Dale Scott
David Ray Griffin
Michel Chossudovsky
Daniele Ganser
Ola Tunander
video: Jeremy Rothe-Kushel
edit: Jeremy Rothe-Kushel
music: "Ready" by Transcendent Alliance incl. members of Libra Project- http://www.myspace.com/libraproject



Good job, Shumonik.

BTW, Gen. Clark, most of the sources on the KLA-Drug connection are Western, not Russian;

Articles on KLA-Kosovo-Drugs-Mafia and Fundraising

Great job Shum...

Clark and his handler were a bunch of pricks.
Ol' Wes is an Obama advisor. What more is there to say?

Good job...

"We've never finished the investigation of 9/11, and whether the Administration actually misused the intelligence information it had. The evidence seems pretty clear to me. I've seen that for a long time."

Gen. Wesley Clark (Ret)

Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?

Great Questions

and approach. Maybe START with 9-11 next time. That's what we really want from Clark. His role in Yugoslavia was horrendous and criminal in a war organized by U.S. Imperialism from start to finish. But 9-11 is the GAME CHANGER of course.

Nice work...

Nice work...

Shorter questions might work better in the future.

The 9/11 drills approach was good for Gen. Clark, I would have just hammered that.

Clark Is One Of The Following

1.) Ignorant of the phony left/right paradigm.
2.) Deliberately sustaining it through partisan commentary.

Clark is no dummy, yet he pretends not to know why the U.S. has occupied the middle east and central Asia. (energy reserve aquisition)

The truth to 9/11 will be likely be found within government records pertaining to the history of the 9/11 aircraft and government and industry records pertaining to energetic incendiary materials.

I tend to think that chasing overseas intelligence leads will only lead to patsy assets.

It's all one big family in some ways.

Especially where the Military and Intel overlap. Under Clinton, current DCIA Hayden kept the skids nice and greasy for Muhahadin in Bosnia, according to this report;


"From 1993 to 1995, money, arms and expertise flooded from the United States to al Qaeda military networks in Bosnia-Herzegovina -- all under the watchful eye of Gen. Michael V. Hayden -- then chief of U.S. military intelligence in the region and named Monday as President Bush's nominee to take over the CIA...

Hayden's sophisticated intelligence apparatus somehow failed to interdict the "black flights" – in which 132-foot wide, 155-ton cargo planes (accompanied by fighter jet escorts) transported arms and supplies from Sudan and Iran to mujahideen forces fighting on behalf of the Bosnian government.

Sources pointing to Hayden's role and the overall context of al Qaeda's Bosnian network include a 1996 Senate Select Committee probe of the arms shipments, al Qaeda documents and videotapes describing the activities of the Bosnian mujahideen, court transcripts related to the New York City terror cell, and additional court documents related to al Qaeda's misuse of charity funding."

Richard Labeviere goes further;


"According to a former CIA analyst cited by Labeviere in his Dollars for Terror: “The policy of guiding the evolution of Islam and of helping them against our adversaries worked marvelously well in Afghanistan against the Red Army. The same doctrines can still be used to destabilize what remains of Russian power, and especially to counter the Chinese influence in Central Asia.”

In other words, the CIA had always seen vast potential to use the terrorist network established by bin Laden during the Cold War in an international framework in the post-Cold War era against the Russian and Chinese power, i.e. in Eastern Europe, the Balkans, and Central Asia."

Al Qaeda, a controlled, directed asset. With infiltration by the CIA (and FBI) on several levels.

Clark is no super -genius either.

Clark's performance in this confrontation is pretty bad, really I expected a lot better from somebody with his credentials. He could have simply answered the questions about Gladio and the KLA at the level of public knowledge and maintained some semblance of integrity.

Without incurring any political liabilities, he could have said:

"Yes, Gladio was evil, but we don't do that anymore..."

"Yes, I had some serious concerns about supporting the KLA..."

On the other hand, it would be difficult to believe that Clark does not understand false left/right paradigm. No, he is clearly an actor with a bit role who perhaps wants to be cast as Secretary of Defense in the Obama regime.


I really doubt that there are any "industry" records for the nano-thermite or whatever was used, because these materials are not commercial available.

I am thinking that once the Bush-Chemey regime leaves office in a few months, we might see some new information leaked by insiders.

Great job, thanks. He's

Great job, thanks. He's coward, running away. He knows we know

Ferric Oxide

Great job as usual. He seemed quite surprised by your initial KLA comments, so I think anything you asked beyond that was ignored.

good job

good to get Clark on record, good questions, delivery, persistence. It would seem Clark has done some thinking (gotten some advice?) about how to handle certain subjects in public; pretend he doesn't know what the questioner is asking, ignore the question, pretend he feels harassed, have others run interference, run away.


We are change grows up!

Finally I'm impressed. Rather than screaming "New World Order" in his face repeatedly, you destroyed him (in a small victory) by doing some serious homework.

"...later awarded a Rhodes Scholarship"

Wasn't William Jefferson Clinton also a "Rhodes Scholar" who toured the Soviet Union in the 1960s?

Anyone have dirt on these Rhodes people?

70 Disturbing Facts About 9/11

John Doraemi publishes Crimes of the State Blog

johndoraemi --at-- yahoo.com.

Good work. Keep it up. General Clark is not a General S.Butler !

Herblay FRANCE

Thnanks for the video. Clark was suprised that you knew so much ! Very good especially as you never used insulting language like scumbag etc heard on other video like this one. It is hard for Clark when you follow him just up to the canteen. But we have to remember that he has responsability somewhere in the 911 attacks and he is accountable.
He has to reply to the Nation and to the world. As George Bush has stonewalled all normal ways of getting answers to our questions we have no other means than to do what you did.

All over the country these people should be questioned in the street, in public places, etc and when possible get it on the internet so we can all see their reactions and hear their replies.

Keep it clean and respecfull.


ps General Clark is not likely to be another General Smedley Butler hero who saved America from a military take over in 1935.