A Ticket to The Hague for Dick Cheney?

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A Ticket to The Hague for Dick Cheney?


By Scott Horton

Gene Burns is one of the nation's most popular talk radio hosts. For years he has dismissed accounts of torture; America, he has said, does not torture. But last night, after watching Torturing Democracy and realizing that he had not understood how important and serious an issue torture had become, Burns abruptly changed his tune.

Here's a transcript of his remarks:

"I now believe that some international human rights organization ought to open an investigation of the Bush Administration, I think focused on Vice President Dick Cheney, and attempt to bring charges against Cheney in the international court of justice at The Hague, for war crimes. Based on the manner in which we have treated prisoners at Guantánamo Bay, and the manner in which we have engaged in illegal rendition–that is, surreptitiously kidnapping prisoners and flying them to foreign countries where they could be tortured by foreign agents who do not follow the same civilized standards to which we subscribe.

I've always said that I've thought that even at Guantánamo Bay the United States was careful to stay on this side of torture. In fact, you may recall that on a couple of occasions we got into a spirited debate on this program about waterboarding, and whether waterboarding was torture. And I took the position that it was not torture, that it was simulated drowning, and that if that produced information which preserved our national security, I thought it was permissible.

And then I saw Torturing Democracy.

And I'm afraid, now that I have seen what I have seen, that I was wrong about that. It looks to me, based on this documentary, as if in fact we have engaged in behavior and practices at Guantánamo Bay, and in these illegal renditions, that are violations of the international human rights code.

And I believe that Dick Cheney is responsible. I believe that he was the agent of the United States government charged with developing the methodology used at Guantánamo Bay, supervising it for the administration, and indulging in practices which are in fact violations of human rights."

A large part of the population still credits the Bush Administration's absurd claim that it never embraced or applied torture to detainees as a matter of policy. Two recent documentaries, Alex Gibney's Oscar-winning Taxi to the Dark Side (for which I was both a consultant and interviewee) and Sherry Jones's PBS feature Torturing Democracy investigate the administration's policies and conduct. Both draw from decision-makers inside the administration and soldiers on the frontline.

The administration did its best to spike both films. Taxi was to be aired on the Discovery Channel, but with Discovery Communications then in the process of going public and facing sensitive SEC clearances, executives apparently decided not to risk provoking the anger of the White House. As I reported elsewhere, PBS also found that it had no network space for Torturing Democracy until January 20, 2009—the day the Bush Administration decamps from Washington.

Why was the administration so concerned about these two films? The conversion of Gene Burns supplies the answer. No one who sits through these films, I believe, will be able afterwards to accept the official version of events. George Bush has good reason to be afraid of too many Americans watching these documentaries.

(So be sure to watch them and share them!)

Torture is an extension of the 9/11 psyop

Cheney and Rumsfeld were complicit in both atrocities. But the whole top tier of the administration and ranking members of Congress knew about the watertorture and did nothing to stop it. So by the Nuremberg Principles many are complicit. Thus the "emerging consensus" to just "move forward."


“On the altar of God, I swear eternal hostility against all forms of tyranny over the mind of man."--Thomas Jefferson

WTF are we talking about...

We need to get this man the other documentaries.. You know which ones.

We need to get his mailing address and get him the others. While his mind is still open.

Here's his email: geneburns@citcomm-sf.com

Radio Station's Mailing Address:

Gene Burns
c/o KGO Newstalk 810
900 Front Street
San Francisco, CA 94111

From here...

They should all

They should all be brought to justice for high treason, mass murder and crimes against humanity but I am not holding my breath waiting for it to happen.

Don't hold your breath, breathe deeply and keep spreading

the truth!

(I know what you mean, though)

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

Is "Torturing Democracy" going to be censored the 20th jan 2009

Herblay FRANCE

has this any thing thing to do with "Britain: MPs seek to censor the media"

or the French starting to do the same

We could think that this film is going to have an important impact on the public? Perhaps unrest and disgust? Could this be what Collin Powel and others were thinking about when when saying that Obama will be tested the 21/22 january 2008



edit °1 could not find a way to see "Torturing Democracy" by the link above http://torturingdemocracy.org/
but found it on YouTube
edit °2 too many parts on YouTube but found the video on http://torturingdemocracy.org/
you take "Watch the program" and the video is in three parts.

Yes, the final link you cite...

is posted in the middle of the article...I added it for your convenience when I posted it.

>I took the position that it was not torture, that it was simulated drowning, and that if that produced information
>which preserved our national security, I thought it was permissible.

>And then I saw Torturing Democracy.

>And I'm afraid, now that I have seen what I have seen...

The internet is the key to free information flow...

TV, radio, Cable, movies are easier to suppress...it is important to keep the internet accessible!

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