Request For Discussion From the 9/11 Truth Community On Reaching Out To The Peace Movement

My fellow Truthers,

I went to United for Peace and Justice meeting this afternoon here in Chicago. There were about 25 people in attendance. It was an organizing meeting on the upcoming UFPJ National Assembly coming up on December 12-14 here in Chicago.

During the brainstorming discussion on what kinds of things people were wanting to see materialize at the upcoming Assembly, one gentlemen said that the numbers within peace groups across the country are generally diminishing. I spoke up, and invited UFPJ to broaden their platform and embrace the Movement for 9/11 Truth and Accountability. I emphasized the fact that our numbers continue to grow, not only with grassroots activists but with military officials, scholars, architects, engineers, etc.

My comments seemed to fall on deaf ears. One other person commented, and spoke about his bleak 9/11 Truth seminar that he conducted last year at the UFPJ National Assembly. A few others came up to me after the meeting and told me they supported 9/11 Truth. It was as though they 'had to remain closet Truthers' because UFPJ has ostracized the 9/11 Truth Movement. No one else commented on my invitation/proposal.

Here in Chicago, UFPJ is holding their National Assembly on December 12-14.
Also in Chicago, the World Can't Wait is holding their National Meeting November 22-23.

UFPJ refuses to acknowledge Obama's foreign policy -- their Midwest Coordinator will personally attack you if you question it. They are NOT nonpartisan, and they are closing their eyes to Obama's foreign policy.

WCW acknowledges that Obama is a new face on the old program, and they have never endorsed him. In my experience, WCW has been much more open to embrace the 9/11 Truth community.

Both organizations will be retooling their platforms.

My questions to you all are:

1. Should we continue to reach out the groups like these in the efforts to form coalitions?
2. If the answer is, "Yes", then, how should we continue to reach out the groups like these?

My suggestion...

With regards to approaching the peace movement is to simply ask them the name of the era we live in. If they're smart, they'll know that it's called the "Post-9/11 World." If the event that created the "Post-9/11 World" is based on a lie, which it certainly seems to be, then we need to know about it. If it is based on a lie, then the "Post-9/11 World," and everything the peace movement is against, goes away.

Truth be told, we ARE the "peace movement." We're the "9/11 Truth and Justice and Peace and Restoration of the Constitution and Accountability and You'd better take care of the Responders Movement."

I can also suggest what NOT to do. Don't ask representatives of the different movements to sign a warning, and don't call people in those movements names.

Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?

We've had similar reactions as you

A few of our Cincinnati 9/11 Truth members have also attended similar peace groups here and their reactions to 9/11 Truth are very similar to yours. Although our members have tried to explain that 9/11 was the catalyst for both wars that we are currently engaged in the connection has mostly fallen on deaf ears. The UFPJ and similar groups still view 9/11 Truthers as 'fringe elements' and they are terrified to be labeled a conspiracy theorist.

We continue to attend local anti war events but we really haven't had any luck persuading those members to open their eyes up to the events of 9/11.

We have had a little success with approaching the engineering and architectural students at the local university. Several A&E students recently attended a Richard Gage presentation that we sponsored. Now getting them to become actively involved is another issue.

Keep plugging away!

"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves" – Edward R. Murrow

I haven't tried the local

I haven't tried the local peace group as a whole, but I do remember approaching an active member of the group about 9/11, she said she had been given several DVD's about it, but had never watched any of them. How she could deny 9/11 without watching the DVD's made no sense to me, but as for most anyone, it sometime just takes years of exposure to this topic before they are willing to even think about it. Which is a bit depressing.

And Cindy, I was thinking about approaching engineering and architectural students at the local university with ae9/11 truth flyers. Any advice on that front? Perhaps young minds are not are prejudiced as the professors'?

Go to your local college campuses...

Go to your local college campuses and hand out ae911truth fliers. Go to the law schools and do the same and mention the new formation of Lawyers For 9/11 Truth ( Hand out free 9/11 dvds. If you're approaching college age students what better way than present your ideas through a visual medium that they are already familiar with? I've gone into the A&E professors' offices and knocked on their doors and offerred them dvds and fliers. (The more egotistical ones may question your audacity to approach them! lol) Stand outside of the college halls and handout info.

It's hard to say what the best 9/11 documentaries to hand out are. Some people react best to the human interest/empathy/mainstream news approach of "9/11:Press For Truth'. Honestly, many people that I have spoken to really seem to wake up from watching "Loose Change - Second Edition (Recut)' The more technically minded (A&E students etc.) react well to '9/11 Mysteries' or '9/11 Blueprint For Truth')

We've created a flier that lists many of the 9/11 documentaries that can be watched for free on your computer. Go to Google Video, search for several 9/11 ocumentaries (like the ones mentioned above or others), write down their URL's (web addresses) and make up a flier of them and hand them out to people. Especially younger people will be very receptive to having these movies (and their links) readily available to them to watch online at their leisure.

Most of all... keep on doing what you are doing!

"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves" – Edward R. Murrow

9/11 Truth will prevail

Richard Gage, of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth continues to convince nearly everyone who listens to his excellent presentation. Purchase several copies of his 2008 DVD. Give them to all the sleeping lefties. His evidenced-based arguments make logical sense and are the best method to win broad support. The movement for 9/11 Truth is growing, based increasingly on empirical data alone leading to simple, unavoidable conclusions. Other political groups will choose either to lend support or alternatively watch from the sidelines. Either way, this movement will manifest as an unstoppable force for peace and justice, unable to be ignored.

Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

nyc ballot and other strategic campaigns will work

i appreciate this post, and many truthers have been finding a lack of unity from the peace movement. it appears to be a decision based on mind control methods by the absolute denial from media and government sources, and willful ignorance, since the consequences of the truth is too scary for many of these people.

But as they say, in a way, time is on our side.

The facts of the building take-downs are undeniable by any free and objective person looking into this case. But to overcome the willful denial by the mainstream, including the peace movement, we need a concentration of energy to wake everyone up.

So, you are correct in considering the worthiness of the general peace movement to get to a root of their and our problems. I would lobby this group after lobbying others, so we are not distracted by the ideals of peace that can come at the price of truth and justice dissolved. Mind-control, denial, is pretty powerful.

Effective groups to focus are on NYC voters. For election day 2009, already 30,000 NYC voters have signed a petition for a referendum vote to empower an independent 9/11 investigation.

Architects and Engineers is also a key group to focus on.. since there are already more than 500 of these registered professionals on board calling for a new investigation, and Richard Gage estimates within six months there will be 1,000. Once that milestone is reached, plans to announce this at the National Press Club in Washington, DC.

Another group is supporting efforts to challenge your chief of police, and others who take sworn oaths to uphold and defend the US Constitution. For more information:

I think it is valid to continue trying to awaken the so-called peace movement, but not in excess where it becomes a distraction. We really need to win over the mainstream, and in NYC there was a zogby poll in 2004 that proved more than 50% of the people there wanted a new investigation. They suffered the most, and have most to preserve by looking at the truth.

I am also learning more subtle ways of reaching peace folks, too. We have programs with films. Many who do not come to our films, however, see our flyers on community boards. This will slowly have an affect. To see files for our programs and events that you can modify and use, see: See

More resources are at my site

Films that Make a Difference!
Bush and 9/11 Investigative Reports.

The more we connect the dots regarding peace and justice, democracy and our republic and our constitution, we will survive the betrayal of this Century.
Campaigns for Reclaiming a Lost USA Democracy.

fyi.. i was just invited and joined this list serve, called
Change 2008.

It is a good time for truthers to double our efforts, and not depend on the usual 'progressive' peaceniks, media or politicians to make the difference, yet to proceed and keep an open invite for all..


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Agreed - Ballot Initiative The Best Immediate Option

Getting the ballot initiative on the ballot and passed by voters in NYC (with full subpoena power) is the only option on the horizon.

And the goal is quite acheivable, with sketicism probably higher in NYC than other places and NYC being a small and concentrated area.

And with NYC being a major victim of the attacks, federal and private resistance will be less effective.

Full access to Port Authority of NY/NJ, NORAD, FAA, airline, Silverstein Properties and Securicom records and personnel may open new leads.

Little need to chase leads in Germany or Pakistan regarding foreign patsy assets - the rubber seems to meet the road right here in the U.S.

Ballot Initiative has potential, current one has problems

I emailed Les about this first question, got a non-answer in response

Why isn't the text of the initiative and proposed legislation not posted on the website; how can people know what they're supporting?

Why not leave the election of the commissioners up to the public- by pre-selecting them it gives the appearance of conflict of interest

petition language

if you go to the left sidebard from to 'Instructions and Petition Download'

you can link to the petition signed by 30,000 nyc voters. another 15,000+ will be collected before July.

I will paste in the petition with wordage here:

Petition to Create and Fund a NYC Independent Commission with Subpoena Power to
Conduct a Comprehensive and Fact-Driven Investigation of All Relevant Aspects of the Tragic Events of
September 11, 2001 And Issue a Report
WHEREAS, many New York City voters believe that there remain many unanswered questions critical to establishing the truth
about all relevant events leading up to, during and subsequent to the tragic attacks occurring on September 11, 2001 (“9 / 11”), and
WHEREAS, no prior investigation by any New York City agency or any other governmental entity has resulted in the citizens
being provided with those critical answers or information necessary to establish the truth about those tragic events, and
WHEREAS, New York City and its citizens, residents, workers, homeowners and businesses have been injured far greater than
any other city or area in the United States;
[Note: The Petition is continued on Pages 2 and 3]
Complete the following:
I, (name of witness) ___________________________ state: I am a duly qualified voter of the City of New York and I am also
duly qualified to sign the Petition. I now reside in New York City at (residence address) ________________________________
_________________________. The individuals whose names are subscribed to this Petition sheet containing 3 signatures, on
each page of the Petition, subscribed the same signatures on this page and the succeeding pages 2 and 3 of the Petition in my
presence on the date above indicated and identified themselves, in each instance, to be the individuals who signed this sheet.
I understand that this statement will be accepted for all purposes as the equivalent of an affidavit and, if it contains a material false
statement, shall subject me to the same penalties as if I had been duly sworn.
____/____/2008 ________________________________________________________
Date Signature of Witness
WITNESS IDENTIFICATION INFORMATION: The required information for the witness named above must be completed
prior to filing with the board of elections in order for this petition sheet to be valid.
County, New York City: _____________________
[Page 2 of the Petition]
1. The title of this local law is “Act to Create a Temporary Independent Commission to Investigate 9/11”.
2. An independent, temporary New York City commission (the “Commission”) is hereby created to conduct a
comprehensive, fact-driven investigation into the events that took place on 9/11, as well as to thoroughly examine related
events before and after the attacks, including any activities attempting to hide, cover up, impede or obstruct any investigation
into these 9/11 events, following wherever the facts may lead. The Commission shall publish one or more reports of their
3. The Commission shall include Dr. William Pepper (international attorney and author), Lorie Van Auken (9/11 widow,
representative of 9/11 victims families), Dr. Edgar Mitchell (Apollo 14 astronaut), Lincoln Chafee (former U.S. Senator),
Mike Gravel (former U.S. Senator), Ed Asner (actor/activist), Ralph Schoenman (political scientist), Thomas Gumbleton
(Roman Catholic Bishop), and others to be appointed by majority vote of the Commission members to bring the Commission
up to as many as 15 members, and to fill any vacancies thereafter from nominees proposed by any member of the
Commission. The Commission shall have a duty to maintain the number of Commissioners at no less than nine and to fill
vacancies promptly.
4. The Commission shall act by majority vote, adopt its own Rules of Procedure and shall choose its Chairman, Vice
Chairman, Treasurer and Secretary.
5. The Commission shall have the power to place witnesses under oath, issue subpoenas for documents and testimony, take
and record testimony, and to apply to the appropriate federal, state, out-of-state or foreign courts for the issuance of
subpoenas, Letters Rogatory, or Applications for Mutual Assistance, for service upon persons, corporations, agencies or other
entities beyond the subpoena power granted to the Commission.
6. The Commission shall have authority to act up to a maximum period of 5 years from the date of their creation by the voters
of New York City unless delayed by legal or administrative procedure, in which case the investigation shall continue until
matters are resolved.
7. The Commission shall have a budget not to exceed $10,000,000 per year for the conduct of its investigation and related
activities. Financing shall be entirely drawn from private contributions. No public funds shall be requested or accepted. Four
prominent citizens have pledged substantial matching fund contributions. In addition, pledges of specific contributions from
wealthy private individuals are being obtained with payment subject to enactment of the Initiative by the voters of New York
City. A substantial five figure seed money fund has been established as of January 2008, and a world wide internet fund
raising campaign has been launched. Celebrity parties, concerts and other fund raising events and activities are also being
planned to take place throughout the months of the Petition drive. Cumulatively, these sources will provide for the funding of
the investigation. The work of the Commission will commence upon the expected realization of the full funds specified in our
anticipated budget.
8. Commission disbursements shall require the signatures of at least two Commissioners serving under the Treasurer on the
Commission’s Finance Committee which shall consist of a total of three Commissioners appointed by the Commission.
The Commission’s finances and accounts shall be audited each year by an independent public accounting firm appointed
by the Commission.
9. The Commission will also endeavor to consider the effects of the 9/11 attacks on the health and well being of police,
firefighters, the enormous numbers of other first responders, local residents and others affected, and examine ways and means
of alleviating the health care crisis which afflicts many of the above through the enforcement of their right to health care
services and compensation.
10. As a law-enforcement agency, the Commission shall have the right not to publicly disclose activities of a secret or
confidential nature and shall have the duty of recording the taking of testimony by film or video, and the duty of providing an
opportunity for C-SPAN and other television networks, stations and programs to broadcast Commission proceedings on a
live or other basis.
11. Each Commissioner shall be paid a base annual salary of $100,000, plus reimbursement of out-of-pocket expenses
actually incurred on behalf of the Commission, lodging, and transportation expenses to and from a Commissioner’s residence
outside of New York City.
12. Commissioners may come from any part of the world and shall not be required to maintain a residence in New York
[Page 3 of the Petition]
13. The Commissioners are not required to devote 100% or substantially all of their time to the work of the Commission and
it is expected that Commissioners will be able to continue with non-conflicting activities.
14. The Commission by a majority vote shall have the right, to seek indictments in any relevant Court located in the City of
New York, or elsewhere and, at its discretion, to work with existing prosecutorial agencies or to seek the appointment of a
special prosecutor under Section 701 of the New York County Law.15. The Commission as a temporary investigative office
of New York City shall during its lifetime enjoy the same immunities, privileges and prosecutorial discretion granted under
law to elected prosecutors.
16. No New York City employee, past or present, shall have the right to avoid testifying before the Commission based on any
prior agreements not to disclose or testify with any officials or agencies of New York City or other governmental agency; the
Commission has the power to maintain secrecy and confidentiality of testimony or other disclosures where appropriate.
17. The Commission shall have the power to hire and fire clerical and other employees, attorneys, accountants, paralegals,
experts, consultants and others in performance of their respective duties.
18. The Commission shall have the power to enter into contracts, and to create and enforce its rules.
19. This law shall be construed liberally to enable the Commission to conduct an independent investigation into 9/11, and
issue one or more reports on the Commission’s investigation, and create one or more websites to provide public information
about the work of the Commission.
20. If any provision of this law is held to be unconstitutional or invalid for any reason, the remaining provisions shall be in no
manner affected thereby but shall remain in full force and effect.
Additional information about this Petition, the Initiative Process, the individuals involved, and copies for download are
available at
Please mail the Petition (as signed by at least 2 NEW YORK CITY registered voters; or 1 NEW YORK CITY
registered voter and a NYS notary public) to:
NYC 9/11 Ballot Initiative
1173A Second Avenue, Suite 155
New York, NY 10065

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conflict of interest?

the real appearance of a conflict of interest is the zelikow-bush scheme.

dr. william pepper is an international attorney and has a record of integrity and independence.

unless you want a petition more open to sabotage than the current one.. resullts are in..
30,000 signatures is a vote of support by the petitioners, NYC voters..

uniting with the efforts of those who have done the work.. would be helpful in engaging the public to support a vote in favor for a new investigation based on evidence, and with subpeona power, we expect the real words can come from whistleblowers themselves.

i guess some bloggers rather keep blogging..

one vote for the investigation is enough.. a foundation has been built.. now we have to build on it..

i have les telephone number, etc for les, volunteer coordinator..
he is not the quick to answer via email that much..

i hope the text i pasted in from the petition is helpful..


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thanks for posting the text

if that was posted on the website when i looked for it, i couldn't find it.

"unless you want a petition more open to sabotage than the current one.. resullts are in..
30,000 signatures is a vote of support by the petitioners, NYC voters.."

"unless [ i ] want a petition more open to sabotage than the current one"; not sure what you mean by this, please elaborate.

I would like to see a full, honest investigation with minimal risk of sabotage. For some reason, Edgar Mitchell's views on visits by extraterrestrials got significant attention by MSM right when the signature deadline was approaching. William Pepper, Lorie Van Auken and Mike Gravel would ask good questions and tell the public the truth, i think- i'm not familiar with the others and have not been following this closely. Family members should definitely be involved in direction and oversight of a new investigation. 8 seats have been named and 7 are left to be chosen by majority vote of the commission.

I'm not a resident of NYC- if voters and 9/11 family members support the bill, amen, i hope good results.

the truthmove thread also has lots of information on people involved, including Les Jamieson; inquiring people are entitled to available information for research purposes.

thanks - likewise

i didn't mean you .. but in general terms..

a great part of this petition-initiative is that it covers ground to empower
an existing group for the purpose of a fair investigation.

If the peace and truth movements worked together,
we can accomplish both, peace and justice..
to totally expose misleading wars for terror.

Thanks much.. 2009 could be our year.. and what happens in NYC
will impact the world.


New York City Efforts

Some of us in the "old" New York 9/11 Truth group made a concerted effort to get through to the "leadership" of the major groups for a long time. This was several years ago, and I got the feeling that we were considered by them to be little more than pests.

But I think this unwillingness to adopt the Truth message has mostly to do with human nature and egotism. Over time I got the impression that the resistance was really about the fact that they had already worked hard on what their platform and message was going to be, and that they weren't gonna change it for some rude outsiders. Why, the nerve!

So, now some years have passed, and it's time now to get right up in their faces and point out the failure of their groups to do more than get a lot of people together for some marches now and then that were mostly ignored by the controlled media anyway. I think this is a big opportunity, whether they like it or not. Time for us to take control. All the control they have anymore is who gets to go up on the stage and get on the mike for a while.

unmentionable words and concepts

are the actual reasons for the failure of the peace movement to embrace 911 truth.
Those who have ears...will hear.

I just don't get it

How anyone can believe the "Official Conspiracy Theory" is beyond my understanding. Especially peace activists. 9/11 was so obviously an inside job a school kid could figure it out. I can't believe how deep the denial goes. Some guy in a cave and 19 goons with boxcutters pulled off the crime of the century? Please, give me a break.

Ditto That!

And now we have president elect Obama- saying security is a top priority and we need to shift troops to Afganistan and get Osama Bin Laden once and for all. It's all gets to be discouraging sometimes. I think president bush has been overly friendly lately with Obama trying to make sure he doesn't support any investigations after he leaves office. Oh well Louie the 16th and his crew thought they were untouchable once upon a time.

Get Osama Bin Laden?

That is gunna be a hard one since he is dead. Has been for quite a while. I have a feeling Obama is just like the rest of them. Just another puppet of the NWO boys. I have a feeling we are in for a rough ride. Pray that I am wrong.

Not to be too grotesque

But don't be surprised if they pull Osama out of a freezer (or at least some "DNA") and claim that they have killed him while trying to capture him, or some such nonsense. I put nothing past these sociopaths.

Unfortunately, I think there's almost no way we won't escape another manufactured crisis in the near future. They've gotten very smart since pitching Operation Northwoods to JFK, they keep the president out of the loop and just sandbag him (as Jeb probably did to W on 9/11/01).

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

Their GatekeeperGurus Told them not to look.

North Texans for 911 Truth
North Texans for 911 Truth Meetup Site

We first need a greater unity between ourselves

Excellent. This is an overdue topic.

I think it is time that we as 911 truthers define ourselves in terms of a demographic with the power to sway elections.

The public mindset, which depends on it's predigested news from conventional media, is only convinced by an overwhelming show of numbers and unity of any group such as ours. Currently I don't believe we have any way of counting our numbers or of unifying in such a way that shows the seriousness of this cause.

I appreciate the practical effort you have made to reach these other groups-- excellent language in your diplomacy-- to appeal to "broaden their platform and embrace the Movement for 911". However, do we clearly have any point of directed leadership ourselves, and isn't it time that we did have one? If we are asking outsiders to unify with our mutually beneficial efforts, is it clear to them exactly what it is that we are proposing? Perhaps they immediately think of directed energy beams from space, or 'no plane' theories. I believe we need a whole new level of centralized organization with a well defined purpose.

Ron Paul hosted an excellent press conference of Third Party Candidates a couple of months ago and demonstrated the zeitgeist we are looking for. There were four points of agreement that two very right wing candidates and two very left wing candidates agreed upon

points to consider...

1. Cynthia McKinney needs to be considered a rallying point as part of this movement.
2. Ralph Nader spoke in this election cycle about the ties John McCain's father has to the coverup of the attack of the USS Liberty-- How many votes did Ralph get this year, about 700,00 right?. Ralph has openly endorsed a national public debate on the evidence and wants a new investigation.
3.William Pepper convinced a jury of 12 of the overwhelming evidence that King was killed by conspiracy. The Commission On Political Assassinations group has something to gain by joining forces with 911 Truth. How much more does this speak of those who want to see the truth of JFK's assassination.
4. Restore the Republic is obsessed with ending the Federal Reserve's stranglehold on the banking system- isn't that in line with our goals?
5. The list of potential groups and organizations that need to see the benefit of compromise could be numbered ad nauseam.
6. There are only 2790 non licensed signers of the Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth petition for a new investigation and only 533 licensed signers. These numbers are a pathetic representation of what our total numbers are, I am sure!!! Absolutely Pathetic!!!

What are we all doing to make a show of force? How much longer can we sit around and complain in our smaller circles before doing something corporately to destroy this mad cycle of crime? The lies are so bad, the criminals so embedded, the system so corrupt, it is simply time to recognize the fewest number of points that the majority of all people agree upon in order to unify long enough to effect true change.

Las Cruces, NM

The diversity and true grassroots nature of our movement

is one of its primary strengths, imo.

While we should not unify into one (or even two or three) organizational structure I would like to see the movement create a "congress" to discuss strategy and increase our effectiveness. This "congress" could be virtual and meet in cyberspace, perhaps through a portal on or as an entirely separate entity.

Not only does our very dispersed organizational structure keep the entire movement safe from targeted co-option, it keeps the movement incredibly dynamic and creates a structure that will perfectly fit the politics needed once we succeed.

Make your "small group" larger and/or start other small groups and connect them up when it makes sense. The main thing is to continue to educate the public and give those interested a way to get active.

Love is a verb, brothers and sisters, let's get busier!

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.


I think a congress of our movement is an excellent idea but don't miss what I'm saying about joining forces with other organizations who stand to benefit from our objectives. I'm not talking about love here and I'm not, as you suggest, talking about any one personality embodying the movement as a president would a nation.

Look again at the Ron Paul conference on YouTube above as an EXAMPLE of what I am saying. This is significant that two very conservative parties and two liberal parties would put aside their differences for the sake of demonstrating just how desperate these times are for unity on the most BASIC ISSUES. This was an unparalleled display of political compromise and a foreshadowing of the breaking of the two-party system.

The advantage of a decentralized organization, you suggest, is that we are "incredibly dynamic" and that it is the "structure that will perfectly fit the politics needed once we succeed." With all do respect, what are you talking about? If we succeed, we won't have any need to be an organization any longer. We exist to ultimately hold the true criminals accountable, not to continue speculating around the water coolers at work about the untouchable elite. This is not the time for pleasant talks in private groups. This is the time for cunning political maneuvers where the leaders and voices of the 911 truth community need to be "reaching across the isle" to other groups who may or may not see the exact extent of the 911 coverup that we do but that nonetheless stand to benefit from a temporary political alliance. The act of making temporary allegiances and pacts with DIFFERENT groups is exactly what will most likely bring to trial the perpetrators of 911 crimes because nothing is going to change unless we have the numbers to back us up. That is success. Our organization is impotent and has no direction. How many times was 911 truth mentioned in the presidential campaign this year? Do you think the powers that be are intimidated at your efforts to educate the public, particularly if your only motive appears to be love? We need a Karl Roveian cunning that is based on truth and freedom for the majority and prosecution for the guilty.

Las Cruces, NM

Non-violent revolution, starting with a national strike,

is what is required to affect real change in this country and the world, imo.

What do you think will happen once the revolution begins?

Will we all go back to our jobs and leave it to others to figure the future out or will we use the processes we have developed these past seven years to continue as activists in dealing with the myriad of challenges we face, locally, regionally, nationally and globally?

No, once we succeed in waking humanity up, our real work begins, brothers and sisters.

Working with other groups is fine, but not if we have to compromise our integrity and mission to do so, and that is often the rub. 9/11 truth is, and should remain, non-partisan, for example.

Political expediency begets philosophical corruption and that allows a small group of "cunning" sociopaths to steer things they way they want and start their game anew. I don't want that and I doubt you do either. What we need is a whole movement of anti-Roves, and that has been my experience of the movement to date.

FTR, while I always endeavor to remain pleasant, or at least civil, I do much of my talking in public.

For us to truly succeed, we have to remain a dynamic, grassroots coalition of independent groups that grow individually and collectively and continue to create more modes of communication and information sharing. Sound strategic and tactical planning and co-ordination would optimize this process and this will happen in an organic manner over time. This is why we need to create a viable forum for debate and consensus building. The "week of truth" had a chance to do this, had its first projects been something other than the promotion of a work of fiction that pushed a limited hangout. It should be revived, imo.

I find the relative humility within the movement to be an excellent gauge of our growth as a true social force in this century.

Love is not only my motive, but my main tool as a human being attempting to connect with, and influence, other human beings.

Love counters fear.

Love is universal.

(and I do think that the DHS agents in SF were a bit confused when they had to ask me to take the 9/11 literature I put on their cars off, especially since I was smiling and being friendly the entire time)

Be well and enjoy the day.

(I love New Mexico!)

The truth shall set us free, but this takes time and much work.

Love is the only way forward.

preaching to the choir

I am not devaluing the worth of grassroots work. Isn't it a given that that is the heart of our movement? Must I also wear a flag on my lapel to prove my patriotism? Do you think anyone in the 911 truth movement who writes on 911 Blogger is naive enough to think that there will ever be a day that our efforts to hold the unjust accountable will be completely obsolete? Look, my brother, you are preaching to the choir. You believe we need a national strike? Okay, how do you coordinate it on a national level apart from some sort of centralized effort? Like it or not there are certain personalities with a greater voice and a greater audience than others. What is stopping the big names of this movement from coordinating from their respective websites some sort of unified front that is very specific and directed? There is nothing inherently wrong with centralized coordination of different groups who have like-minded interests. Case in point, watch the documentary "Trade Off" about the WTO protests in Seattle. This should be a case study for your proposed national strike and a testimony of the power of unification (not compromise of integrity) of groups as diversely different as environmentalists and union workers.

What is this concern of yours about compromise of our integrity? I'm not suggesting political alliances with the banking cartel or the military industrial complex or the K Street lobbyists. This discussion started as a question of how to reach out to the peace movement, if at all. I think we need a larger agenda. I think that the leaders of this Truth Movement (Alex Jones, David Ray Griffin, John Judge, PD Scott, Steven Jones, Steve Ryan, Richard Gage, etc, etc, etc) can all come together in one physical location and present in a closed session to leaders of the SEIU and AFL-CIO all of the best of the best data that we have about the crimes for which we are all outraged, and form a temporary and focused alliance to turn this thing inside-out! I can clearly see that the Nation's unions and the 911 Truth Movement can share a partnership that is mutually beneficial and still leave each organization intact and free of compromise. Far from compromise, don't you see that when mutually beneficial goals to two separate but symbiotic organisms are realized that both organisms benefit? What if the listeners and readers of each of these leaders of ours leaked the location of this very important meeting and a massive rally of support silently showed up at the doorstep?!?! In fact I challenge you to go to the website of the AFL-CIO and click the link of their Allied Organizations- for god's sake it's a veritable doorway into every other home in America!! What we need is to think about winning massive numbers of people in shorter periods of time than you are suggesting. We need the leaders of entire movements to begin to reach out to their own respective movements to help all Americans see that we all live and die by the truth and lies that are told by the 911 criminals. We are all in this together and we need alliances with groups that can disseminate information in a rapid and efficient manor on a massive scale.

Las Cruces, NM

Union leadership?

Surely you jest, sir.

During last Spring's unprecedented one day shut down of all the west coast ports by the longshoremen (to protest the Iraq occupation), the membership had to go against their leaders to make it happen. They literally told their union bosses that they were shutting everything down for eight hours and went ahead and did it. They gave their "leaders" no choice. We were there educating the members about 9/11 truth and getting some msm exposure, btw.

The AFL-CIO leadership is just about as corrupt as the sociopaths we are trying to depose. Do you really think they will even sit down with people like Alex Jones? (someone I would not choose to represent my interests, btw, and I think you meant Kevin Ryan, yes?)

Additionally, the larger any organization gets, the more conservative (in the true meaning of the word) it gets. They become more and more risk averse. Do you really think any of them will support 9/11 truth without first being dragged, kicking and screaming into it?

What we are doing is educating the general public, including rank and file union members, and in the process bringing them into our movement. If you understand the history of movements and how they have been co-opted, then you will understand that this is the only way this will work. There is also a very active cointelpro program we have to look out for.

The coming revolution will break down the existing paradigm to a very great degree, presently existing large institutions are thoroughly invested in this paradigm, it is not in their interests (as they perceive them) to work for this kind of radical change.

Please feel free to test my theory by contacting local union leaders and see what you can do, I'll focus on the rank and file.

This also applies to the "peace movement". We have an internationally known activist in our group who has run for Congress twice and she is still refused stage time at major rallies and protests to make the case for 9/11 truth. Why do you think that is? If you look behind the curtain you will see that most of these groups are controlled opposition and thus, are part of the problem. We need to co-opt them while maintaining our mission focus.

Here's just one example: Richard Gage made a presentation to a peace and justice group in his area. Afterward, the leadership decided that they would have no more 9/11 truth presentations or discussions while about half the members were very interested in learning more. As a result the woman who runs the film group is allowed to show 9/11 films when she can without the groups endorsement. This is not an unusual or isolated case.

When the people lead, the leaders will follow.

When enough of the public, including union rank and file, understand the importance of 9/11 truth and begin to act, the leaders will either step aside or acquiesce, and the revolution will begin in earnest.

The truth movement has become its own media and everyday we get more content and better distribution channels that increase our effectiveness.

I think what you fail to understand is that the truth movement is the vanguard of the revolution. Thus, by definition, we are leading and everyone else is behind us and our struggle is to bring them up to the fore with us, not an easy or quickl task.

That said, there is a genuine need for more co-ordinated actions and an overall strategic vision with tactical options. I hope to see this come into being in early 2009, in time to counter the psyop that is the incoming administration.

There are many ways we can create synergy with various groups, if we are creative and remain focused.

While we all must be our own leaders certain personality types are natural leaders and they will move to the center of the movement, hopefully kept in check by constantly questioning masses and their own humility.

I hope that you and yours are well.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

You're speaking a lot of

You're speaking a lot of great truth as a veteran of this effort and I appreciate your leadership. Let's do this!

Las Cruces, NM

if you want to strategize about left gatekeepers, please contact

Recently I have been able to get Chris Hedges to agree to look into our evidence. Naomi Wolf agreed to interview Bob McIlvaine. In both cases Bob was our secret weapon. He just asked," Why does the left treat us so badly?"

Yesterday I got Jim Wallis to agree to take a post on the issue.

Donna Marsh O'Connor's recent post on truthout is a breakthrough.

I have approached Zinn by mail years ago where he responded in a more positive tone.

In general I urge us to COORDINATE.

I also urge people to approach potential discussants PRIVATELY.

I almost as upset with the truth movement as I am with the left. Leftists are too narrow minded, but truthers avoid collective action.PLEASE CONTACT ME RATHER THAN JUST WINGING IT. We don't have to agree on everything. 410-499-5403

The 2 reasons why leftists are not serving their OWN interests is
1) They can't see 911truth can lessen racist hatred of Arabs and Muslims.
2) They can't see the government getting away with 911 weakens the constitution.

Yes, we should continue to reach out to as many groups

as possible.

Our SF group is considering sending one or two members out to the UFPJ conference.

I think that every group or individual who can go should go. Go and calmly make the case for 9/11 truth, point out its relevance to all of the peace and justice issues whenever you can.

This is best done by those who live within driving distance.

We must always consider the cost/benefit relationship when making these decisions.

Quietly making our points will begin to resonate with many of the rank and file members of the peace movement. It all starts with education.

My advice is that when criticizing Sen. Obama keep at least a neutral, if not friendly, tone. As events unfold and the new administration disappoints more and more people, it will get easier to get them to consider the case for 9/11 truth.

Don't sound like we have all the answers, because we don't.

Go, brothers and sisters, and work the rank and file and educate the leadership as much as possible.

Always keep in mind that many of the major "peace groups" have been infiltrated and/or co-opted by the deep state, so the leadership will always find a reason to not make 9/11 truth part of their mission statement.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

Edmonton's input

We have not had too many in roads with Edmonton's peace movements or organizations like the council of Canadians as a whole but have developed connections and solidarity with individuals with some of these groups. Its still taboo to bring 9/11 truth to the main stage of many worth while events in Edmonton but we are making an impact by attending rallies, parades, marches, speaking events by setting up our own 9/11 civil information and making our presence known. Here is one example of a crack with-in the established that allowed a few important words about 9/11 be said on stage at a "Let War Resisters Stay & Anti-SPP Rally. We had our placards in the crowd and 5 of us came to support this rally with our own message about 9/11 truth...we hand out lots of DVDs and info.

I guess one might say we crash the parties/events
And we are making friends in the process!

War is illegal

Against a background of escalating ecological crises, and the fact that large parts of the world´s population are being exposed to extreme poverty, inhuman working conditions and increasing social tensions, the annual global military expenditure has risen to more than 1000 billion dollars.
The military-industrial complex of just a few G8 countries is responsible for the overwhelming part of this spending, causing incalcuable social and ecological consequences.

Unequal distribution of global resources, increasingly controlled by large multinational companies, global debt policy and unfair international trading practices ultimately could not be maintained without military security. In many countries the military is used to repress critical opposition.

The terror attacks of September 11, 2001 are increasingly used to justify systematic surveillance and the dismantling of constitutional rights. Even European countries have helped to establish Guantanomo-like secret prisons, where torture in all probability takes place.

Iraq was attacked based on falsified evidence causing the death of hundreds of thousands of people, widespread destruction, destabilization and contamination with cancer-causing depleted uranium munitions.
Now plans to attack Iran and the possibility of a new World War have been made public, meeting resistance even from moderate elements within the military due to the unforeseeable consequences.

Faced with the choice between a war, that according to some western leaders, will last for many years or a possible peaceful transformation we support the following demands:

1) Impeachment proceedings against US President Bush and US Vice President Cheney (before the 2008 election), a demand raised in solidarity with large parts of the US public and some members of US Congress. Furthermore prosecution by the International Court of Justice of G. W. Bush, R. Cheney and other officials from various countries for waging wars of aggression contrary to international law and committing crimes against humanity.

2) International investigation of the September 11, 2001 terror attacks. They are used as the central justification for the "War on Terror", but well documented evidence shows that the official explanation of 9/11 cannot be correct. International personalities in science, politics, and culture, including high-ranking military veterans, have called for a new investigation.

3) Immediate military withdrawal from Afghanistan and Iraq, and no attack against Iran. International prohibition of war as a means of conflict resolution. Military intervention and export of weapons should be criminalized.
In a civilized society torture must be prohibited in any form.

4) Conversion of military industries to civilian purposes and the development of ecological and sustainable energy resources. According to the UN environmental agency, a fraction of the annual global defence expenditure could ensure that all humans have access to clean water and a basic supply of food and healthcare.

This statement is based on a commitment to non-violence and tolerance of all ethnic groups and religions. Two devastating World Wars and historical catastrophes like the Nazi Holocaust must always remind us of the worst consequences of nationalism, racism and incitement to war.

Sign this statement, pass it on, whatever we can do. It is up to us.

(since Nov. 29 2007) 2300 signatures

About 1 in 10 people know about the 9/11 Cover-up...

RWF2 hit the real heart of the matter with this statement..."they 'had to remain closet Truthers' because...."
"CLOSET TRUTHERS" is a good term.

This is the essence of the problem in my eyes--> There are MANY 9/11 TRUTHERS, but the majority do not speak out or disseminate.

I talk to LOTS of people about 9/11 Truth. I find that one out of 10 people know about 9/11 (and their recognition commonly is also associated with their discovery of Building 7). However, the majority of those people who know about 9/11 Truth often are reserved or quiet about the subject. This is a HUGE number of people who know!
...?...go figure...?!...quiet about the BIGGEST American SNOW JOB EVER?...I am amazed that these countless "closet Truthers" are too weak to raise a voice, commit to action, or to put skin in the game.

How to get the closet 9/11 Truthers out of the closet is our biggest challenge.

One of the goals of and the monthly campaign

is to raise visibility of the issue and the movement to help these "closet truthers" feel more comfortable "coming out".

Our local group goes out almost every weekend now.

My experience has been more like 1 in 3 people have real questions about the events of 9/11/01, which correlates with the national polls. The problem here is making these folks realize the importance of the issue, but I think this will be made easier by the incoming administration, if they perform as I expect they will.

Civil information sharing and a friendly face go along way with just about everybody, as Robin Hordon will attest to.

We also need to stress the relevance of 9/11 truth to everyday issues, especially the economy and insanely expensive wars (aren't they always?).


The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

BINGO!!! You said it well!!

"It is you who are the torch-bearers with respect to that truth.... ...Steel your spines. Inspire your children. Then when the moment is right, rise again...." W PEPPER

Connecting with peace groups via email

Here is one example of something simple you can do if you can get emails of local peace groups, and also if you are like me and duplicate lots of truth films to distribute (if you don't do this you can just include info on watching them for free online). I just sent this email out tonight to some local peace groups:

Dear (organization),

Hello, I am a local 9/11 Truth and peace activist and am constantly looking for ways to collaborate or work with other local peace groups (as you cannot separate the war and 9/11). I make copies of various educational films (all legal - these filmmakers encourage duplication) and would be willing to give some to your organization. I generally accept small donations ($1 per dvd) but am willing to give small contributions to local peace groups at no charge. If this sounds like something of interest to you, check out the films I have available (pictured below), then see the various weblinks at the very bottom where you can find descriptions of some of the films and even one website where you can watch many of the films online for free. You can also Google or YouTube most of the films to watch them online for free. The dvds I make each have a nice printed label, come in a paper sleeve, and also come with an information card. They make great stocking stuffers. Many of these films have been among the most downloaded videos online. I feel this information is powerful and I'm trying to get the information out, information that directly relates to the war but can also provide a bit of the bigger picture. Feel free to contact me anytime.

The websites I listed were:

... just one more idea.

This is great !!!

"It is you who are the torch-bearers with respect to that truth.... ...Steel your spines. Inspire your children. Then when the moment is right, rise again...." W PEPPER

True World History

I'm impressed with your
You have a great collection of videos

And I think this topic is very important. What are the key words we can use to get their attention. Peace activists are already over worked. What will get their attention. I like Jon's suggestion to ask what world they live in, post-911.

911 Truth Ends 911 Wars


There are many ways to approach this subject. The way used by 90%of you tends to alienate these types of people, who rely more on gatekeepers for their opinions than on enthusiastic strangers.

There are other ways, however, that rely upon facts and the law, which can't be refuted. They may get some traction in the peace movement.

Obstruction of Justice was enough of a crime to impeach President Bill Clinton.

Homework: Go find half a dozen ways the Bush administration, FBI and CIA have obstructed justice.

Criminal Negligence is a crime. Even George Monbiot, a well known anti-truth ranter has admitted that the regime was negligent regarding 9/11.

Kucinich's impeachment papers include their "failure" to respond to numerous intelligence warnings. Kucinich is well respected in the peace movement. Use his leadership.

I haven't had any response about TREASON, which is proven beyond a reasonable doubt by none other than the U.S. Senate:

"The Administration's decision to classify this
information prevents the American people from having access to information about the involvement of certain foreign governments in the terrorist attacks of September 2001." -US Senate, October 28, 2003

I find this lack of response (positive or negative) quite odd. Treason is blatantly implied in this paragraph. It establishes that:

1) Multiple foreign governments helped hijackers fly into the World Trade Center.

2) These governments are being shielded and protected, which is apparently an open secret in the United States Senate.

This is so astounding, there is no explanation other than "aid and comfort" to the "enemy" here. Yet, peaceniks, debunkers, gatekeepers and other ignorant Americans seem to have not one word to say about this.

Finally, if they are willing to openly commit treason to protect these "foreign governments" then they must be hiding something even more damning, more horrific.

The cover-up is well established. The lack of opposition to the cover-up is where we come in.

70 Disturbing Facts About 9/11

John Doraemi publishes Crimes of the State Blog

johndoraemi --at--

Yes you are quite right

"1) Multiple foreign governments helped hijackers fly into the World Trade Center.

2) These governments are being shielded and protected, which is apparently an open secret in the United States Senate.

This is so astounding, there is no explanation other than "aid and comfort" to the "enemy" here. Yet, peaceniks, debunkers, gatekeepers and other ignorant Americans seem to have not one word to say about this.

Finally, if they are willing to openly commit treason to protect these "foreign governments" then they must be hiding something even more damning, more horrific. "

Hi Johndoraemi.....I visted your blogg. GREAT WORK....
I agree with the statements you made above....I think we can all identify which foreign govts. aided and abbetted rogue elements in our own establishment with these attacks.
Perhaps it is these very govts. who maintain loyal citizens residing on our soil that are helping to keep the truth hidden in the various "Peace Movements" that have rejected researching and opening the 911 attacks to further public scrutiny and an impartial investigation.

9/11 Truth IS a PEOPLE's Peace Movement...

A few thoughts...

..first and foremost...all we need to do is find any way to get peace activists into the 9/11 Truth Rabbitt Hole Foyer...

...once inside, they will become agressive activists and set out on their own journeys up and down the elevator shafts..., this is a "one-on-one" effort for quite sometime...and its best to start with the younger elements...

...organizationally, I feel that the best way to go is to have every 9/11 Truth organization create a space on their web sites to establish that 9/11 Truth IS a Peace Movement...state something germain to YOUR specific region... make it obvious that the 9/11 Truth Movement is a PEOPLE's PEACE MOVEMENT, I suggest an immediate change in protest placards from the black backgrounds to something friendlier...AND...

...its even more important, to have some wording or a "peace symbol" of some sorts on EACH AND EVERY 9/11 Truth banner, poster, flyer, T-shirt, placcard or sign....

...its pretty clear that the Peace Movements have been instructed from above to "shun" us...

...its also clear that many in the Peace Movements are not listening to them and are becoming more open to the 9/11 Truth Movement...again, especially the younger ones...

...SOOOOO...we need to appear and behave more warmly and openly...which is a perfect fit for CI-ing the public anyway...

...keep up the work on the 11ths of every month [or the nearest Sunday]...AND...keep inviting any and all peace activists to join in our Civil Informationing activities...

...I'm POSITIVE that they will like this...and that they will have a great time...

...invite them to hand out their own "peace stuff" unless its dimissing the 9/11 Truth Movement [then that person is now behaving like a cointelpro...]

...perhaps the first line of education for peaceniks might best be to deal with the military's NEED FOR false flag ops to motivate citizens against a conjured up "new enemy" to an unpopular war...this is historically repetitive and becomes rather obvious when any of us expands the 9/11 Truth discussion...

...pursuant to that, here is a "NEVER STATED COMPLIMENT" due the average citizen...and its this:

"Average citizens are naturally peaceful and do not want to go to almost EVERY instance the government has had to "trick or lie" to them in order to get people to support a war...and they accomplish this with the use of false-flag-ops that happen just before we go to war..."

...this is a HUGE point in general warring history...

...and its specifically HUGE to the 9/11 TM as it plays into one of our best assets...understanding and tying in all the historical false-flag-ops that have happened just prior to almost all of our public wars...

...this is where Alex Jones is at his best...the first half of Terrorstorm. He really nails the false-flag-ops brilliantly...

Overall, its best that we shape our own 9/11 Truth leads to PEACE Movements "9/11 Truth for Peace" publically...and keep the invitations to peaceniks rolling.

We should be proud of and defend deeply, the methodology, and integrity of the 9/11 Truth Movement and we should continue to refine our "informational goals" and "polite-respectful tactics" when in public.

This approach will crack into the most numbers of citizens out there...including some peaceniks.

We will never get all of the peaceniks because so many are now thinking-parrotting along the lines of "cointelpro ops"...and some have devolved into being "groupies" for the likes of Chomsky, Zinn and others...

And lastly regarding the above "person"...and you can take my hard "street earned advice" with all of these types...

When you identify them, smile politely and walk not waste ONE SINGLE MINUTE of your time and energy in trying to "flip" them...its just NOT gonna happen!!!

There is much greater success and lots more fun when dealing with the more "open minded" types out your own nerves and souls and find them instead...

Love, Peace and Progress...

Robin Hordon