Mumbai news thread

Please use this thread to list news reports pertaining to the recent developments in Mumbai.

Juan Cole.

If you have never checked out the website of Juan Cole, you can expect a fairly decent roundup of news and bloggage that will emerge regarding Mumbai.

His website is called Informed Comment;

His definition of "al Qaeda" is too limited, IMO, but the blog is still a good resource for links.

World leaders condemn Mumbai

World leaders condemn Mumbai attacks

(CNN) -- World leaders have condemned the terrorist attacks in Mumbai, India, in which more than 100 people died.

Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said the attacks were intended to create a sense of panic.

Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh deplored the attacks, saying they were well coordinated and apparently launched by people from outside the country.

"The well-planned and very orchestrated attacks, probably with external linkages, were intended to create a sense of panic by choosing high-profile targets and indiscriminately killing innocent foreigners," Singh said in a televised address to the nation. "It is evident that the group which carried out these attacks, based outside the country, had come with single-minded determination to create havoc in the financial capital of the country."

Singh promised "the strongest possible measures" to stop a repeat of such acts. "We will take up strongly with our neighbors that the use of their territory for launching attacks on us will not be tolerated and that there would be a cost if suitable measures are not taken by them."

He did not refer to a specific neighbor, but India has frequently blamed Pakistan for harboring militants. "We will take a number of measures to strengthen the hands of our police and intelligence authorities. We will curb the flow of funds to suspect organizations. We will restrict the entry of suspects into the country. We will go after these individuals and organizations and make sure that every perpetrator, organizer and supporter of terror, whatever his affiliation or religion may be, pays a heavy price for these cowardly and horrific acts against our people........."

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Mumbai Attacks To Be Blamed On Pakistan?

Paul Joseph Watson
Wednesday, November 26, 2008

Coordinated attacks across Mumbai, India’s financial capital, which have killed up to a hundred people and injured hundreds more, are likely to be blamed on a terrorist organization linked to the Pakistani ISI, providing further justification for controversial U.S. bombings inside Pakistani territory and heightened rhetoric against Pakistan on behalf of President elect Barack Obama.

Terrorists armed with AK-47’s and grenades conduced a series of rampages on hotels, restaurants and public transport facilities today, killing around 80 and injuring over 250 people. Initial reports that terrorists had seized western hostages were later dismissed by Indian government officials.

With the corporate media desperate to pin the blame in order to score much needed propaganda points for the ailing war on terror, suspicion is likely to fall on Pakistan, a country that President elect Barack Obama openly threatened during his presidential campaign.

The bombings in Mumbai will also likely silence questions about controversial U.S. bombing raids inside Pakistani territory aimed at terrorists, strikes that have repeatedly killed innocent civilians.

It is commonly asserted that the Pakistani ISI helps fund and train terrorists.

Journalist Stephen Schwartz notes that several terrorist and criminal groups are “backed by senior officers in the Pakistani army, the country’s ISI intelligence establishment and other armed bodies of the state.” Author Daniel Byman states, “Pakistan is probably today’s most active sponsor of terrorism.”

Indeed, Indian police claimed that the Pakistani ISI directed the July 2006 train bombing in Mumbai which killed 186 people, which was blamed on the Islamist militant group Lashkar-e-Toiba, an organization based in Pakistan. Look for the same organization or an affiliated group to be blamed for today’s attacks.

As Bloomberg reports today, “The government has previously blamed terrorist attacks on organizations linked to foreign powers, without offering evidence or making arrests. Local media often blame the attacks on groups backed by Pakistan or Bangladesh, without identifying the security officials who provided the information.”

With shrill corporate media outfits begging for a scapegoat to be used as war on terror propaganda, it won’t be long before an Al-Qaeda-Pakistan link is claimed. Indeed, early reports already state that the attacks are “thought to be linked to Al-Qaeda,” offering no evidence and in spite of the fact that an unknown group, Deccan Mujahideen, has clamed responsibility for the massacre. The Deccan Plateau is a large plateau in India, suggesting this is where the terrorist group was based.

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Mossad behind the mass

Mossad behind the mass terror attack in Mumbai, India?

When I first read the news of the coordinated attacks on specific places firing automatic rifles and lobbing grenades in the city of Mumbai on the west coast of India that occured Wednesday night, I deduce it is Mossad in the planning and execution of the attack -- by themselves or the deployment of Manchurian candidates -- to provoke international outrage towards the designated enemy. Over 80 persons died and more than 250 wounded.

Turns out this might be the case. Mossad allegedly had a hand in Mumbai train attacks two years prior....

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Fake Al

Fake Al Qaeda

Al Qaeda"Ana raicha Al Qaeda" is colloquial for "I'm going to the toilet". A very common and widespread use of the word "Al-Qaeda" in different Arab countries in the public language is for the toilet bowl. This name comes from the Arabic verb "Qa'ada" which mean "to sit", pertinently, on the "Toilet Bowl". In most Arabs homes there are two kinds of toilets: "Al-Qaeda" also called the "Hamam Franji" or foreign toilet, and "Hamam Arabi" or "Arab toilet" which is a hole in the ground. Lest we forget it, the potty used by small children is called "Ma Qa'adia" or "Little Qaeda".

So, if you were forming a terrorist group, would you call yourself, "The Toilet"?...........

.....Adam Yahiye Gadahn: The Fake Terrorist

Images from official FBI wanted poster for terrorist Adam Yahiye Gadahn

The FBI lists Gadahn's aliases as Abu Suhayb Al-Amriki, Abu Suhayb, Yihya Majadin Adams, Adam Pearlman, and Yayah.

But Adam Pearlmen is his REAL name! Adam is the grandson of the late Carl K. Pearlman; a prominent Jewish urologist in Orange County. Carl was also a member of the board of directors of the Anti-Defamation League, which was caught spying on Americans for Israel in 1993, much as AIPAC has been caught up in the more recent spy scandal.
Sent in by a reader: I recently saw the article you linked about Adam Pearlman and his brand new feature film in which he plays the character Azzam Al-Amrika. As someone who speaks Arabic, I thought it would be interesting for WRH readers to know a little bit about this particular name. First, Azzam in Arabic means either "determined" or "resolved". Second, "Al-Amrika" (it's sometimes spelled "Amerika") translates back to "America". Interesting use of words Mr. Pearlman is using for a name, I'd say. But even without having to translate the whole name, no Arab has the last name of Amrika. The name, translated, almost sounds like a Bush soundbite............

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The Mumbai terror comes in a certain context: “Cui bono” ?

The attacks in Mumbai were heavily armed, with militarily trained young men. What exactly motivated them, we have yet to find out. We hope that enough of them will survive to be able to tell their story, so that we can learn to avoid further violence. Several sources seem to believe that this kind of training and logistics would need the hand of the Pakistani ISI.
ISI is the Pakistani secret intelligence organization, and it was receiving 10 x more money from the US than the Pakistani government itself up until, and beyond the September 11th 2001 terror attacks. Obama's Vice President Elect Joe Biden met with the Chief Spy of the ISI, General Mahmoud Ahmad two days after Bob Graham and Porter Goss had enjoyed breakfast together with him on the morning of Sept 11th 2001. It turned out that Ahmad had ordered $100.000 to be wired over to Mohammad Ata, the alleged leader of Al Qaeda in the US, and one of the persons the US "Ministry of Truth" is blaming to have conducted the attacks in New-York, where three steel-frame skyscrapers mysteriously pulverized "due to fire" according to the NIST. The official 9/11 Commission report stated that the money links to "Al Qaeda" was of little practical significance... This kind of statement comes from the kind of government that reduces the committee over-viewing the derivative markets by the Banks in New-York, from 100 people to ONE SINGLE PERSON !

Here is an illustration of our Bush and Henry Paulson marked era:

The times are changing... (See Patrick Chappatte’s cartoon of the Bankster robbing the Bank Client, “Quick, gimme the CASH !” Sorry, I don’t know how to post images here… How do I learn that?)

The turmoil of the banks is a controlled demolition also of the evidence of criminal money laundering, and illegal dealings in hyped up derivatives that actually was a cyber-economy artificially valued at 5 or 6 times the value of the true economy. Before Henry Paulson took on his role as head of the Bush administration’s Treasury department, he put 500 million of benefits from Goldman Sachs into his own pocket from selling just that kind of illegal and destructive products: see the 7 minutes here where Max Keiser explains what is going on back in the beginning of October:

Michael Chertoff laughs away people who are concerned that our government agencies are not building safe-guards against the enemy within. : see him here:

This IS NOT a laughing matter people! Spread the word, we must stop the true criminals.

Dr Eric Beeth
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More than 500 architects and engineers have proven, beyond reasonable doubt, that the twin towers in New-York and WTC7 were taken down in three controlled demolitions using among other things sophisticated sol-gel-thermite. The victims of the terror in New-York, including the first-responders who are now sick with respiratory diseases, and millions of Americans ( ) are demanding the media and politicians to look at the hard legal facts that point to an inside job. There is NO legal evidence of ONE Muslim involved in the attacks on New-York, and it is high time our media realizes this, since the perpetrators of 9/11 are still on the loose, and selling their lies via Reuters and the main stream media.

Example: this recent article from "The Times" concerning the highly coordinated attacks in Bombay: " As the unprecedented scale of the attacks became clear last night, it looked to be the most co-ordinated terrorist operation since the targeting of the Twin Towers in New York in 2001." and "The sheer audacity of the terrorists are all familiar elements of al-Qaeda'." The article goes on to describe other "Al-Qaeda" attacks, like the 1993 bombing of the WTC in New-York, which has proven FBI involvement: , and the Sept 11th 2001 attacks, which in spite of overwhelming scientific evidence of being an inside job, and NO LEGAL EVIDENCE involving any Muslim, is still squarely blamed on Al Qaeda! In other words, Al Qaeda IS Al CIAEDA, until legally proven not so. This legal investigation must still be organised, and anyone formerly associated with FBI - CIA -Pentagon covert psy-war operations may not be allowed to investigate themselves, as in the "Official 9/11 (C)Omission Report" or the NIST which was also involved with researching the sol-gel-nano-thermite with military scientists.

Read about the irony of the first responders suffering from respiratory diseases here:

I do not know who paid for the recent attacks in Bombay, or who pulled the strings behind it. I do know that it is high time the good people in the world join-up in a chorus to stop the absurd "Al-Qaeda Terror Meme" that is originally a Western Intelligence Operation created more than 20 years ago, when Brejzinski was actively advocating building up a credible enemy image in order to allow the US to use its otherwise useless overhyped military might.

Pressure all journalists, and journalist schools to pledge an oath to do a better job of NOT participating in any State sponsored psychological warfare operation in the future, and to study how the media was misled to believe that three skyscrapers in New-York could pulverize to dust from kerosene of two airplane crashes. Any journalist or politician who insinuates that Muslim Extremists pulled off the terror of September 11th 2001 should be written off as a “Bozo”, not to be trusted religious hate monger, who is patently unconcerned with verifiable facts, and the deeper notion of “Cui bono”.

Well said

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Please note this link that Elias Davidsson pointed out:

Just out Nov 27th it seems :

The All India Muslim Majlis-e-Mushawarat (AIMMM) president Dr Zafarul-Islam Khan expressed on July 28th deep pain and concern over earlier bomb blasts in Bangalore and Ahmedabad. Read the above link, because it is VERY RELEVANT to how the Muslim counity in India are experiencing these wanton acts of terror. The article ends with a demand: "Dr Khan also asked the central government to keep a sharp eye on the dubious activities of foreign intelligence agencies like Mossad and FBI [?? or Al - CIAeda and ISI perhaps? (drbeeth's note)] which are operating freely in our country. He asked the central government to immediately close down the offices of all such foreign intelligence agencies as their presence on our soil is not in the interest of the peace and security of the country.

Who's hands does this type of action play into ? ? ?

If I was a Muslim here in Brussels and I wanted to be treated better by the people here, I would not break into a luxury Hotel, a train station and a hospital with sub-machine guns and grenades killing people right, left and center, trying to win sympathy to my cause.

I have a difficult time understanding what the logic of such an action would be, if it came from a Muslim. I would expect it just simply be a brain-washed criminal, but I would truly like to know!

The Madrid train bombings came at a critical time, when Europe "needed" to be prodded into believing the all powerful "Al-Qaeda-Terror-Meme". It was quickly blamed on Al-Qaeda religious extremists, but I have still not seen any convincing proof that these people where motivated by defending a religious cause. They seemed to be drug traffickers and criminals, obeying mostly to their pay-masters. I also find it intriguing that the GLADIO groups have been identified in practically all European countries, except Spain, which thanks to the ETA has been rife with convenient terror to beef up the security apparatus. The judiciary hearings seem to have convinced the large majority of Spaniards that the Madrid train-bombings was an act perpetrated Muslims obeying to some kind of call to Jihad. (If you know more about this, react!) I still think we should scratch below the surface of this, and from a Muslim standpoint, to continue to condemn this type of action that only plays into the hands of those who seek more control, fear, mass psychosis and tyrannical power. These are the real sick people among us, and they need urgent isolation and treatment!

Love from Brussels,

Dr Beeth

Militants who attacked

Militants who attacked Mumbai came from Pakistan: army official

Militants who staged multiple attacks in the Indian city of Mumbai, killing at least 125 people and injuring hundreds more, came from Pakistan, a senior military official said on Thursday.

Comment fom Mike Rivero of

Why would Pakistan support such a stupid move???

It makes absolutely zero military, rational, or geopolitical sense, for Pakistan to support an operation like this.

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The International Backers of

The International Backers of the Mumbai Attacks
By Les Blough, Editor. Axis of Logic
Nov 26, 2008, 18:18

November 26, 2008, Axis of Logic - Reuters states that at least 80 people have been killed and that, "An organisation calling itself the Deccan Mujahideen claimed it was behind attacks". CNN television is already stating as fact that the Mumbai attacks were funded and supported by foreign sources, implicating Pakistan where President-elect Obama promised to take the so-called "war on terrorism" when he assumes office in January. The attacks which are on-going at this moment set the stage for redeployment of U.S. troops from Iraq to Pakistan as Obama promised. George W. Bush has been quick to condemn the attacks and CNN is giving round-the-clock coverage, reminiscent of corporate media coverage of the 9/11 attacks in the United States.

Linking Pakistan, Al-Queda, Muslims and Terrorism

CNN, Reuters and other corporate media immediately called these attacks with bombs, automatic weapons and hand grenades "terrorist attacks" emanating from Pakistan with roots in "Al Queda" and "Islamist Terrorists". CNN TV also states that these attacks target "western business people and well-heeled western tourists", staying at Mumbai's luxury hotels. The Deccan Herald states that the Deccan Mujahideen claimed responsibility via a convenient e-mail message received by the Deccan Herald (DC). DC states,
"The term itself (Deccan Mujahideen) is not very specific, and according to CNN may just be a generic term for radicals in the region. 'Deccan' is an area of India and 'Mujahideen' is the plural form of a term referring to a Muslim participating in a jihad."
Associated Press described the attackers,
"Teams of heavily armed gunmen stormed luxury hotels, a popular restaurant and a crowded train station in coordinated attacks across India's financial capital Wednesday night, killing at least 78 people and taking Westerners hostage, police said. A group of suspected Muslim militants claimed responsibility."
Reuters describes them, "The previously unknown or little known group sent an email to news organisations claiming responsibility." This is a familiar attribution to "terrorist attacks" which, because the organisation is "unknown", noone can prove otherwise. CNN TV states emphatically, "This is definitely an international attack using domestic terrorists". We have no doubt that the latter statement is true but the question is, "Who are those international backers of these attacks?"

International backing and support

Modern criminal investigation still rests on the Aristotile's 3 equally important causal factors: Means, Method and Motivation.

Factor analysis - Means, Method and Motivation:

Powerful western media organisations reinforce their opinions with repetition, linking assaults like these with former "Islamist attacks" and another "terrorist attack". Their logic and factor analysis use (1) the weapons used, (2) the similarity of past attacks by "Al Queda" and (3) motivation. But of course they never consider the possibility, based on this same factor analysis, that the architects may be the CIA and/or Mossad.

Means: That the most powerful military machine in the world has the means to arm groups like the one who is carrying out the Mumbai attacks requires no apology or defense.

Method: History is replete with examples of U.S./Israeli use of a surrogate to attack their enemies. William John Fox pointed this out in his exemplary analysis, Deliver Us From Chaos: Ten Political Commandments. In 1953 they used domestic terrorism to overthrow Mohammad Mosaddeq, former Prime Minister of Iran. They used the Afghan Mujahideen to attack Russia in the same year of their resistance. The CIA and the U.S. ambassador secretly engineered the “Rose Revolution” in Georgia in 2003 and "the U.S. encouraged the Israeli-trained Georgian army to invade the disputed enclave of South Ossetia five years later".

Motivation: The only difference between the factors used by the capitalist media and ours is motivation. Regarding motivation, CNN states "they (Deccan Mujahideen) want to create as much damage and attention to themselves as possible". CIA/Mossad are masters at destruction, but the last thing they want is bringing attention to themselves. Motivation for the U.S. to take it's war to Pakistan fits perfectly with these attacks. As a matter of fact, Barack Obama and Joe Biden already declared their intention to take the war to Pakistan and stated with certainty that Obama's "mettle would be tested" by a major international "incident" in the near future. If the perpetrators want to draw attention to themselves, their method (i.e. killing civilians), simply does not make sense unless one buys the Bush regime's religion-based simplism that they are simply "evil". Militant's fighting for causes such as independence or national sovereignty want least of all, international negative attention or popular hatred. The only thing missing from the corporate media explanation is George W. Bush's idiotic claim that "the terrorists are jealous of our freedoms". Using this the corporate media's methodology, it is entirely reasonable and just as easy to implicate the CIA and Mossad.


We must also remember where the very term, "terrorism" was born in 1947 and who carried it out? - Israel. The term has been internationalised and popularised since then by the corporate media, rarely if ever pointing to its origins. Today, "terrorism" has become a household term, associated solely with Muslims throughout the world and it was developed into a basis for a war without end. The military assault on Mumbai is another a mini-9/11 in the sense that it provides a platform for juicing and expanding the "anti-terror" war under a new Obama administration which will no doubt be backed by other western governments.

Criminal Investigation

CNN tells us that the FBI has offered to help investigate the crime. The question is whether their interest is real investigation or damage control. If the FBI uses this time worn formula it could very easily end up evidence pointing to their own government. Were the FBI to "discover" CIA or Mossad involvement can any sane person expect they would reveal their findings to the public? Using "means, method and motivation" analysis, our "criminal investigation" leads to the CIA and Mossad as perpetrators of this event.

- Les Blough, Editor
Axis of Logic

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"terrorism" not invented in Israel

"We must also remember where the very term, "terrorism" was born in 1947 and who carried it out? - Israel. "

Not true. See .

04-08-04, 01:20 AM

Hitler used the 1933 burning of the Reichstag (Parliament) building by a deranged Dutchman to declare a “war on terrorism,” establish his legitimacy as a leader. (even though he hadn’t won a majority in the previous election much like George W. Bush).

“You are now witnessing the beginning of a great epoch in history,” Hitler proclaimed, standing in front of the burned-out building, surrounded by national media. “This fire,” he said, his voice trembling with emotion, “is the beginning.” He used the occasion – “a sign from God,” he called it – to declare an all-out war on terrorism and its ideological sponsors, a people, he said, who traced their origins to the Middle East and found motivation for their “evil” deeds in their religion.

Two weeks later, the first prison for terrorists was built in Oranianberg, holding the first suspected allies of the infamous terrorist. In a national outburst of patriotism, the nation’s flag was everywhere, even printed in newspapers suitable for display.

Within four weeks of the terrorist attack, the nation’s now-popular leader had pushed through legislation, in the name of combating terrorism and fighting the philosophy he said spawned it, that suspended constitutional guarantees of free speech, privacy, and habeas corpus. Police could now intercept mail and wiretap phones; suspected terrorists could be imprisoned without specific charges (Like GITMO? :eek: ) and without access to their lawyers; police could sneak into people’s homes without warrants if the cases involved terrorism.

To get his patriotic “Decree on the Protection of People and State” passed over the objections of concerned legislators and civil libertarians, he agreed to put a 4-year sunset provision on it: if the national emergency provoked by the terrorist attack on the Reichstag building was over by then, the freedoms and rights would be returned to the people, and the police agencies would be re-restrained.

Within the first months after that terrorist attack, at the suggestion of a political advisor, he brought a formerly obscure word into common usage. Instead of referring to the nation by its name, he began to refer to it as The fatherland. As hoped, people’s hearts swelled with pride, and the beginning of an us-versus-them mentality was sewn. Our land was “the” homeland, citizens thought: all others were simply foreign lands.

Within a year of the terrorist attack, Hitler’s advisors determined that the various local police and federal agencies around the nation were lacking the clear communication and overall coordinated administration necessary to deal with the terrorist threat facing the nation, including those citizens who were of Middle Eastern ancestry and thus probably terrorist sympathizers. He proposed a single new national agency to protect the security of the Fatherland, (Homeland Security?) consolidating the actions of dozens of previously independent police, border, and investigative agencies under a single powerful leader.

Most Americans remember his Office of Fatherland Security, known as the Reichssicherheitshauptamt and Schutzstaffel, simply by its most famous agency’s initials: the (Herr Ashcrofts Gestapo?) SS.

And, perhaps most important, he invited his supporters in industry into the halls of government to help build his new detention camps, his new military, and his new empire which was to herald a thousand years of peace. Industry and government worked hand-in-glove, in a new type of pseudo-democracy (like pariah Israel?) first proposed by Mussolini and sustained by war.

What's that old saying: "There's nothing new under the sun?" :D

I agree on the point "terrorism" not invented in Israel.

The rest of the article does however raises interesting pts.

The author of the article may have his own slant / perspective or prejudice or could be misinformed.

I noticed that but posted the article as is. Did not bold the sentence where it says...

"We must also remember where the very term, "terrorism" was born in 1947 and who carried it out? - Israel. "

Which is obviously not accurate. Terrorism has been around in some form or another since even before the Roman Empire. Whether State sponsored or individual.

The key points I like to highlight are the ones in bold text.

Thanks for pointing this out and correcting and obvious error / prejudice by the original author.

That's why our teamwork here is important.

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The media were pretty quick

The media were pretty quick to blame the incidents on al Qaeda, just like on 9/11 when osama bin laden was accused as being the mastermind within few hours of the attack. It is being reported that Islamic militants have taken responsibility for mumbai terrorism but none of the mainstream media outlets could verify or confirm it.

Wikipedia: Lavon Affair

TAJ Destruction by Bombs and Fire Already Compared to "9/11"


Taj flames like World Trade Center

Starts collapsing at 3:25 hours

By Jayant Mishra in Mumbai @ Wednesday, November 26, 2008 10:19 PM

The Taj hotel, in Mumbai's Colaba district, has been destroyed by bomb blasts, and is being compared to New York's World Trade Center after the 9/11 attacks.

As a result of tonight's terror attacks, the iconic building is wreathed in smoke and fire, and masonry has been slamming down.

The fire spread from one part of the building to another. As IT Examiner reported earlier, there were two blasts in the hotel, which must have affected the building pillar and initiated the downfall. However the dome of the hotel was still intact.

The terrorists inside the hotel building are believed to be in an advanced position, allowing them to drop grenades whenever and wherever they want. The situation of the hostages inside the heritage building is unclear; it’s assumed that the drama will last until dawn.

Fresh firing from the terrorists inside was heard from the hotel area at 3:30 hours, leading to an absolute disaster as it suppressed the rescue team from extinguishing the fire. The fire brigade tankers piped in gallons of water, to try and save the heritage building.

The Taj is not just a five star hotel, it’s the heritage of Mumbai, the heart of the city. The noise of ambulances, the sight of the burning Taj will haunt those who have seen it for years. X


Inside job?

CNN reported that at the Taj hotel security was relaxed beginning the week prior. Sound familiar?

Always ask, who was in

Always ask, who was in charge of security or the lack thereof.

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EDIT- Not Mumbai- Government plates on the truck bomb?

EDIT- one of these links was on some joker's new blog post that turned up in a google alert- this happened Sep 21 in Islamabad- i just noticed.

Everyone- please save all webpages you come across as files- it only takes a sec; Ctrl+S should open up options.

"Dazed witnesses said the explosives-laden truck, bearing government number plates, was stopped at the hotel entrance for a routine security check."

2 posts of the same story- on what "looks" like local MSM for Indians in Thailand and Muslims in Singh:

62 die as suicide bomber strikes Pakistani luxury hotel (Roundup)

About Us

62 die as suicide bomber strikes Pakistani luxury hotel (Roundup)

About Us

The explosion left a 20-foot deep crater at the entrance.

Police sources said the dead include three South Koreans, two Saudis and one American. There were also foreigners among the injured.

Dazed witnesses said the explosives-laden truck, bearing government number plates, was stopped at the hotel entrance for a routine security check.

“As the security people were looking into the truck, it swiftly moved away and hit the outer wall of the hotel, causing a huge explosion,” one man said.

Hotel owner Sadruddin Hashwani was grief stricken as he spoke to reporters outside the hotel complex: “I don’t have any enemies… These must be enemies of Pakistan. This is a huge loss to the country, to humanity.”

He confirmed that five security guards who were checking the truck were among the dead.

Hotel sources said at least 300 people were dining when the earth-shattering blast took place 7.56 p.m., some 40 minutes after sunset when people break the Ramadan fast.

Obama: Attacks will not defeat India's democracy

Obama: Attacks will not defeat India's democracy

By The Associated Press – Fri Nov 28, 6:09 pm ET

President-elect Barack Obama's statement Friday night in reaction to the shootings in India:


Michelle and I send our deepest condolences to the loved ones of the American citizens who lost their lives in the outrageous terrorist attacks in Mumbai. Our thoughts and prayers are with them, and with all who have been touched by this terrible tragedy.

These terrorists who targeted innocent civilians will not defeat India's great democracy, nor shake the will of a global coalition to defeat them. The United States must stand with India and all nations and people who are committed to destroying terrorist networks, and defeating their hate-filled ideology.

There is one president at a time. I will continue to closely monitor the situation on the ground in Mumbai, and am grateful for the cooperation of the Bush administration in keeping me and my staff updated. We fully support the Bush administration's efforts to protect American citizens and assist the government of India during this tragic time.

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Dawood -- Did Criminal Mastermind Stage Mumbai Nightmare?

Mafia - ISI connection in 1993 Bombay bombings.
Trial of one of the mafia bosses involved in 93 bombings started on the day of the begin of the recent attack

This from Lyndon LaRouche

British Authorship of Mumbai Terror Spilling Out
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November 28, 2008 (LPAC)--London newspapers are headlining British involvement in the ongoing terror attacks in Mumbai, India.

The London Mirror, November 28, headlined its coverage: "SEVEN MUMBAI GUNMEN ARE FROM `LEEDS AND HARTLEPOOL'" and continued, "Seven of the terrorists ... are British, Indian government sources claimed yesterday. They said two British-born Pakistanis are under arrest. And another five suspects are said to have been born and raised here.

"Two of the seven are from Leeds, one is from Bradford and one from Hartlepool, the sources claimed.... The Hartlepool suspect was allegedly found in the ... Taj Mahal Palace hotel. .... The man from Bradford and one from Leeds were allegedly discovered on the 17th floor of the Oberoi-Trident Hotel.... A second man from Leeds was allegedly captured near a jetty after a gang of around 25 terrorists landed in Mumbai by boat on Wednesday.

"The suspects were allegedly found with documentation, possibly including passports, which revealed their origin. The sources say they also spoke to each other in a heavily-accented Punjabi common in UK Pakistani communities."

The Mirror reports that British Prime Minister "Gordon Brown yesterday urged caution, saying it was premature to draw any conclusions. He said Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh had not told of him of any evidence at this stage that Britons were behind the massacres."

The Mirror comments, "If the terrorists are Britons, the UK security service will have to urgently discover how they slipped through the surveillance net.... Since the early 2000s Britain has had an unwelcome reputation as a haven for Islamic radicals."

The Daily Telegraph headlined its story, "MUMBAI ATTACKS: ARE THEY BRITISH? British police have flown to India to establish whether any of the terrorists who killed 150 people in the Bombay massacre had links to the UK."

The Evening Standard, under the headline "Mumbai siege gunmen are from Britain," reports that Security sources have told the Standard that "it is known that dozens of British-born Pakistanis have traveled to Pakistan in recent years to train in its [terrorist] camps. One source said recently: `The camps are full and many of the people inside are Brits."

Briefed on the two Brits being arrested as gunmen in Mumbai, Lyndon LaRouche said: "This phenomenon is suggestively similar to the number of Saudis or people with Saudi pedigrees who were involved in the 9/11 attacks in the U.S. in 2001."

'Armed police would not fire back' - Independent UK

Hmm, an interesting article...

'Armed police would not fire back. – I wish I'd had a gun, not a camera'

Jerome Taylor talks to the photographer whose picture went around the world

Saturday, 29 November 2008

It is the photograph that has dominated the world's front pages, casting an astonishing light on the fresh-faced killers who brought terror to the heart of India's most vibrant city. Now The Independent can reveal how the astonishing picture came to be taken by a newspaper photographer who hid inside a train carriage as gunfire erupted all around him.

Sebastian D'Souza, a picture editor at the Mumbai Mirror, whose offices are just opposite the city's Chhatrapati Shivaji station, heard the gunfire erupt and ran towards the terminus. "I ran into the first carriage of one of the trains on the platform to try and get a shot but couldn't get a good angle, so I moved to the second carriage and waited for the gunmen to walk by," he said. "They were shooting from waist height and fired at anything that moved. I briefly had time to take a couple of frames using a telephoto lens. I think they saw me taking photographs but theydidn't seem to care."

The gunmen were terrifyingly professional, making sure at least one of them was able to fire their rifle while the other reloaded. By the time he managed to capture the killer on camera, Mr D'Souza had already seen two gunmen calmly stroll across the station concourse shooting both civilians and policemen, many of whom, he said, were armed but did not fire back. "I first saw the gunmen outside the station," Mr D'Souza said. "With their rucksacks and Western clothes they looked like backpackers, not terrorists, but they were very heavily armed and clearly knew how to use their rifles.

"Towards the station entrance, there are a number of bookshops and one of the bookstore owners was trying to close his shop," he recalled. "The gunmen opened fire and the shopkeeper fell down."

But what angered Mr D'Souza almost as much were the masses of armed police hiding in the area who simply refused to shoot back. "There were armed policemen hiding all around the station but none of them did anything," he said. "At one point, I ran up to them and told them to use their weapons. I said, 'Shoot them, they're sitting ducks!' but they just didn't shoot back."

As the gunmen fired at policemen taking cover across the street, Mr D'Souza realised a train was pulling into the station unaware of the horror within. "I couldn't believe it. We rushed to the platform and told everyone to head towards the back of the station. Those who were older and couldn't run, we told them to stay put."

The militants returned inside the station and headed towards a rear exit towards Chowpatty Beach. Mr D'Souza added: "I told some policemen the gunmen had moved towards the rear of the station but they refused to follow them. What is the point if having policemen with guns if they refuse to use them? I only wish I had a gun rather than a camera."

Here's an interesting...

Collection of predictions.

Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?

Tech-connected Terrorists in Mumbai like Bin Laden?

Is this new, or was this known, and how did this info come out?
"If so, they followed the example of publicity-hungry Osama Bin Laden, who had an aide rig up a live video feed of the 9/11 attacks with a portable satellite receiver as he traversed mountain trails the day of the 2001 attacks."

9/11 shill Vince Cannistraro pops up:

""They have a history and a legacy of involvement with Kashmiri groups," agreed ex-CIA counterterror chief Vince Cannistraro."

'I was told to kill to my last breath'...but by whom?

'I was told to kill to my last breath': Captured terrorist's account of Mumbai massacre reveals plan was to kill 5,000

A Good Source of Info And Analysis

The folks over at the Prison Planet Forum are really doing a good job posting the latest news and analysis of the attacks

Mumbai Massacre: Is 'India's 9/11' another false flag event?

a lot of NWO/"anti-zionist" stuff on this blog, but lots of cites in this article of anomalies and connections, linking to MSM- posting for reference, not vouching for it- everything below the link is selections from the article- fair use, DMCA.

Mumbai Massacre: Is 'India's 9/11' another false flag event?

"From the Belfast Telegraph: "India is in something of a state of shock after learning from official sources that its first Hindu terror cell may have carried out a series of deadly bombings that were initially blamed on militant Muslims. The revelation is forcing the country to consider some difficult questions."

"A cameraman caught up in the melee in Mumbai caught this picture of a young terrorist wearing a nada chhadi bracelet on his wrist. These threads, consider auspicious, are given by Hindu priests as a symbol of protection in religious ceremonies, and would seem to be highly improbably attire for a hard core fanatical Muslim.

Also, there are reports the a number of the gunmen were white:

""They did not look Indian, they looked foreign. One of them, I thought, had blonde hair. The other had a punkish hairstyle. They were neatly dressed."-- BBC

And, from the Guardian:

"One police officer who encountered the gunmen as they entered the Jewish centre told the Guardian the attackers were "white", although this could mean they were paler-skinned Indians from the country's north.

"I went into the building late last night," he said. "I got a shock because they were white. I was expecting them to look like us. They fired three shots. I fired 10 back." -- Guardian

Another interesting angle that the U.S. media has been pushing is that the terrorists were after foreigners; however, If that were the case, why not attack the hotels with a preponderance of American, British and Israeli foreigners, hotels like the Hilton, Four Seasons and the Sheraton which are in Mumbai, instead of the India-owned ones like the Taj and the Oberoi. No wonder the incidence of foreign causalities were so small for the number of people killed that day.

It looks very much like a false flag event indeed. But, for what purpose? Cui Bono? Could it be because the Hindu Nationalist Party BJP has been using terrorism, especially Muslim-inspired terrorism, as part of the campaign strategy.

According to a Newsweek:

"The recent violence is a boon to the right-wing Hindu dominated Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP). Even before the latest violence, a series of blasts across the country claiming at least 200 lives this year had already helped the BJP, which has flagged terrorism as an issue in the campaign. Even as the security forces battled the terrorists holed in Mumbai, the BJP had begun to use the opportunity to point to a weak government "soft" on terrorism. Frontpage newspaper adverts in Delhi on Friday, the day before the city goes to the polls, said the incident shows that the ruling Congress-led government is "unwilling and incapable" of dealing with terrorism. BJP leaders on the stump seized the opportunity. "There's an immediate reaction from people on the Mumbai siege, and the feedback has been very positive for the party," said a senior BJP member in Delhi to the Times of India. "Our challenge will be to convert this outrage into votes for the BJP."
--Right Tilt

Mumbai attack: Was Nariman House the terror hub?

Mumbai attack: Was Nariman House the terror hub?

By: A Correspondent
Date: 2008-11-28

Mumbai: India's financial capital, Mumbai seems to be going through its longest night for the last two days. Wednesday, 9.40 pm,the affluent south Mumbai was struck by terrorists, at 12 different locations, including the VT station, a hub for all railway trains, to two of the most luxurious hotels, Taj Mahal and Oberoi Trident.

24 hours later, the attention has riveted to these hotels, and a tiny nondescript building, barely a few meters away from the Taj Mahal hotel. Housing a five-storied guest house for Israeli nationals, this building is turning out to be the 'den' for the militants.

"I saw 6 to 7 boats coming in on Wednesday evening and about ten people unloaded many bags from these boats and then gradually took them into the building, Nariman House', Vitthal Tandel, a fisherman in the area said. "The building has many rooms and these are used a s guest houses by travelers, largely Israeli residents. None of us know what their names are", he said.

Virendra Ghunawat, a television journalist who has been tracking the Nariman House shootout since the time it took place Wednesday night, said even the cops have been cagey about details.

"Today, during one of the shootout exchanges, the cops managed to rescue a six year old girl and her mother. We know of a man who is critically injured and requires urgent medical help. A couple is also holed up inside apart from the militants", a senior police official said, who did not wish to be quoted.

The role that Nariman House is coming to play in this entire attack drama, is puzzling. Last night, residents ordered close to 100 kilograms of meat and other food, enough to feed an army or a bunch of people for twenty days. Shortly thereafter, the ten odd militants moved in, obviously, indicating that the food and meat was ordered, keeping their visit in mind, another cop added.

" One of the militants called up a television news channel and voiced his demands today, but, interestingly, when he was asked where are they all holed him, he said at the Israeli owned Nariman House and they are six of them here", one of the investigating cops said. Since morning, there has been exchange of gun fire has been going on and the militants seem well equipped to counter the cops fire. To top it, they have food and shelter. One wonders of they have the support of the residents, a local Ramrao Shanker said.

Cops did not want to go into speculation. "Three residents of the building, all presumably Israeli residents, have also been killed since last night, allegedly by the militants. We do not have their identity and would not like to speculate on this angle", the cops said.

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It may well be that, given the reports that attackers had been staying at a guest house at the Jewish center for 15 days before the attacks √, that the Rabbi and his wife were willing supporters of the operation, then were sacrificed in order to have the appropriate bloody shirts to wave before the media. The four-person discrepancy noted above makes perfect sense if four of the attackers were recognizable or identifiable as Israelis, and were declared to be dead hostages to conceal their roles in the operation.

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Mumbai terrorists had been staying at the Jewish Centre (Nariman House) in a guest house for 2 weeks prior to the attacks
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Two of the hostages killed were identified as Rabbi Gavriel Holtzberg and his wife, Rivka, the couple who ran the centre, said a spokesman for the Chabad-Lubavitch movement. Their 18-month-old son had been one of three people rescued from the centre on Thursday.

In a telephone interview with CBC News from outside the centre, freelance journalist Arun Asthhana said there are reports that some of the militants had stayed at a guest house there for up to 15 days before the attacks.

"They had a huge mass of ammunition, arms and food there," Asthhana said.

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Captured Terrorist On Mumbai

Captured Terrorist On Mumbai Massacre: "I Was Told To Kill To My Last Breath"

The only captured terrorist in the horrific attacks in Mumbai, India has given the police an account of the massacre. The Daily Mail reports:

The only terrorist captured alive after the Mumbai massacre has given police the first full account of the extraordinary events that led to it - revealing he was ordered to 'kill until the last breath'.

Azam Amir Kasab, 21, from Pakistan, said the attacks were meticulously planned six months ago and were intended to kill 5,000 people.

He revealed that the ten terrorists, who were highly trained in marine assault and crept into the city by boat, had planned to blow up the Taj Mahal Palace hotel after first executing British and American tourists and then taking hostages.

Mercifully, the group, armed with plastic explosives, underestimated the strength of the
105-year-old building's solid foundations.

As it is, their deadly attacks have left close to 200 confirmed dead, with the toll expected to rise significantly once the hotel has been fully searched by security forces.

Yesterday, Kasab chillingly went through details of Wednesday night's killing spree across the city, which ended when he was cornered by police...............

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more gunmen captured earlier?

I thought I had read earlier somewhere or saw it on the news that SEVERAL gunmen had been captured. Now it is reported that only one was captured. Does anyone else recall hearing/seeing a report of multiple gunmen being taken into custody? I've poked around the internet to try to find such info, and have yet to be successful. Is it likely those earlier stories have been pulled rather than archived?