Remains Of 9/11 Killers Found
Source: express.co.uk
By Stuart Winter
Sunday January 11,2009
FORENSIC investigators have recovered the charred remains of most of the 9/11 hijackers - to honour a pledge that they would never be buried with the victims.
The £30million CSI-style probe has taken seven years.
Flesh or bone from 13 of the 19 Al Qaeda terrorists who flew passenger jets into the Twin Towers in New York and the Pentagon in Washington have now been identified.
In the most intense crime scene investigation in history, scientists sifted through a mountain of concrete dust, buckled iron and shattered glass to find what was left of the terrorists.
The final tally was 24lb of burnt flesh and shattered bone.
A combination of dedicated FBI detective work and the brilliant skills of forensic scientists eventually put names to the fragments by matching them with DNA traces discovered at the terrorists’ hideouts.
The high temperatures generated as the jet fuel exploded meant many of the 2,974 victims and some of their killers were all but atomised in the attacks.
Only 300 whole bodies were ever recovered. When rescue workers first entered the ruins of the 110-storey World Trade Center in New York they were confronted with two million tons of rubble that had been incinerated by 11,000 gallons of aviation fuel blazing at 2,00C.
The debris was taken to a special clearing site on Staten Island for forensic examination.
Somewhere deep in an FBI complex in Virginia, a locked steel freezer carries all that is left of nine of the hijackers who carried out the attack on the Pentagon and brought down Flight 93 in Pennsylvannia.
Another secret building in New York holds the charred bone fragments of four of the fanatics who attacked the World Trade Center.
The glass containers are under 24-hour armed guard as America still tries to come to terms with the enormity of the 2001 atrocities and the ramifications of keeping hold of the body parts of killers hailed across the Middle East as martyrs.
The FBI and coroner’s office staff are holding on to the remains while the 9/11 inquiry stays open, but eventually it may be left to the President-elect Barack Obama to decide their fate.
Although neither the terrorists’ families nor their countries of origin have asked for the body parts to be repatriated, America is split over what to do.
Some believe the remains should be treated with respect. But many of the families of the victims say the killers should be left for eternity under lock and key.
Although the FBI has been able to name and release photographs of all the terrorists, the agency is refusing to reveal which of the men’s remains it has recovered.
Of the 10 who took part in the attack on New York, ringleader Mohammed Atta is the most recognisable but it is not known whether he is one of those whose body parts were recovered.
The fact that any remains were identified from the carnage of Ground Zero is testament to the skill and dedication of Robert Shaler, who was head of New York’s Department of Forensic Biology at the time.
In the days after 9/11 he promised the victims’ families that he would try to separate what was left of the hijackers from the people they had killed.
Initially, Professor Shaler, 66, thought his 100-strong team would only be able to identify remains larger than a thumb.
The team eventually analysed 21,743 fragments, some no bigger than a fingernail, and were able to put a person’s name to 12,595 parts.
The families of more than 1,622 of the dead have been reassured that at least some of their loved ones’ remains can be given a funeral.
The authorities were able to confirm who died using DNA provided by relatives.
Professor Shaler said: “They did not want the terrorists mixed in with their loved ones. These people were criminals and they did not deserve to be with the innocent victims. No one knows what will happen, but I don’t think they should be buried on American soil.”
Kurt Horning, whose 26-year-old son Matthew died in the New York attacks, said: “It would be sadly ironic if the hijackers ended up being properly buried or sent to a Muslim country when many of the remains of the victims are buried in a garbage dump.”
Additional reporting by Paul Thompson
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Story suspect /owner of UK Express highly questionable
UK Express is run by a company called Northern & Shell owned by Richard Desmond. * Richard is a British publisher, owner of Express Newspapers and founder of Northern and Shell, which publishes OK!, new! Magazine and Star Magazine and owns the pornographic television channels Fantasy Channel and Red Hot TV. Express Newspapers publishes the Daily Express, Sunday Express, Daily Star Sunday and Daily Star. SUPERMARKET SENSATIONAL TABLOIDS (resource Wikipedia). He is of Jewish background and is prominent in Jewish charitable institutions and in 2006 was appointed to head Norwood, helping children in need.
Richard's business dealings with the New York-based Gambino mafia organized crime family. The Village Voice has reported on Desmond's business dealings with the New York-based Gambino mafia/organized crime family. According to press report, Desmond's swindle with the Gambino's resulted in one of his senior employees being "worked over" and slashed in the face with a razor blade by Gambino mobsters while in New York. According to the article, Desmond expressed little concern for the injuries his employee sustained in the attack.
Now it sounds
even more fishy. Since the publisher is tabloid centered. I thought it sounded like a fishy story already. What with the armed guards and refusal to identifty witch terr. they have. Sounds like they are trying to start new unfounded CT's.
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Did they find
any thermate / thermite with the DNA?
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Pernicious lies
"The high temperatures generated as the jet fuel exploded meant many of the 2,974 victims and some of their killers were all but atomised in the attacks."
I can't believe this sentence is published in a real newspaper. Is this a real newspaper?
This sentence is so absurd, it doesn't even seek to try and fit into the official version of events.
Next, they throw thirty million pounds (50 million dollars or more?) at this symbolic investigation of no consequence. How much did they allocate to the 9/11 Commission to investigate the "full" facts of the attacks???
70 Disturbing Facts About 9/11
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http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/
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Newsweek also covers this story
The Sunday Express isn't the only publication to cover this story. It also appears in Newsweek:
Remains of the Day
Nineteen hijackers died on 9/11. What should be done with what's left of them?
By Eve Conant | NEWSWEEK
Published Jan 3, 2009
From the magazine issue dated Jan 12, 2009
http://www.newsweek.com/id/177724
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Thanks ShoeSrting
I could not find this story anywhere else at first.
Make your comments on Newsweek.
Make your comments on Newsweek.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/177724
Thanks Shoestring for the heads up.
I posted mine..right above yours Rob. Thanks
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This...
Was also reported here.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/177724/output/print
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/us/21hijackers.html?ref=us
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
Lies like a big dog
What are the chances that remains from all four of the "fanatics" who attacked the WTC would be found and identified? What DNA samples did they use to compare the remains to?
What a load of shit! I don't believe any of this.
The reason...
"with DNA traces discovered at the terrorists’ hideouts" is bolded is because if I'm not mistaken, this is the first statement about where the DNA came from.
Here's historycommons.org entry regarding Robert Shaler.
October 4, 2005: Book Describes Scientific Effort to Identify 9/11 Victims
Robert Shaler, the scientist who led the forensic examination by the New York City medical examiner’s office to identify 9/11 victims, releases a book about this investigation, called Who They Were: Inside the World Trade Center DNA Story: The Unprecedented Effort to Identify the Missing. According to Shaler the investigation eventually identified three of the 9/11 hijackers. However, he writes that they were not identified by name because the ten DNA profiles supplied by the FBI had no names attached. Shaler writes, “No names, just a K code, which is how the FBI designates ‘knowns,’ or specimens it knows the origins of. Of course, we had no direct knowledge of how the FBI obtained the terrorists’ DNA.” He also believes the three hijackers they identified were in the backs of the planes, stating, “I still doubt the pilots have anything remaining to collect or analyze.” [Publishers Weekly, 8/22/2005; New York Daily News, 10/12/2005] The medical examiner’s office concluded its efforts at identifying the remains of those killed at Ground Zero in February 2005, having been able to identify 1,588 of the 2,749 victims. [Shaler, 2005; New York Daily News, 2/23/2005]
And here's the original report about the identified hijackers being from the back of the plane.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
Let's hope
that any sane person views this very skeptically, if they even give it the time of day.
According to the article
"forensic scientists eventually put names to the fragments by matching them with DNA traces discovered at the terrorists’ hideouts."
Of course, to do this they first had to rapidly identify the hijackers, locate their hideouts and swab for DNA before the rooms were contaminated. Then they had to retrieve the matching DNA from beneath the rubble of the WTC (where it had survived the impact, fire and collapse of the buildings) and from the Pentagon (where it had survived the impact and vaporization of the plane, the fire and collapsing building) and from Pennsylvannia (where again DNA proved more durable than aircraft engines).
We are asked to believe that the hijackers helped with the first part by supplying their identities. Helen & Harry Highwater of Unknown News outline rather well the problems with believing that with reference to a Newsweek article of 2006:
OK, let me get this straight:
Mohamed Atta, "a chief coordinator of the hijackings," has spent months, years, plotting this perfect terrorist attack, with no interference from authorities no matter how many clues have been dropped.
As this dastardly plan finally comes to fruition on the morning of September 11, 2001, Mohamed Atta wonders, 'What shall I do with all these "Arab-language papers revealing the identities of all 19 hijackers involved in the four hijackings, as well as information on their plans, backgrounds and motives?"'
And of course, he does what any clever terrorist would do: He stuffs two suitcases full of this evidence that fingers him and all of his co-conspirators. And then he goes to the airport, strolls over to the baggage check station, and cooperatively surrenders these bags-o-evidence to airport employees.
This, we're told, is how the 19 hijackers were so quickly identified... though the article doesn't make it clear why feds waited 4½ years to tell us about the tell-all luggage being checked and lost.
And the article doesn't explain why, if the papers in Atta's suitcase were the key to identifying all the hijackers, several of the names were clearly false, as several purported 9/11 hijackers either survived the crashes or were misidentified.
And you might wonder, since those names were wrong, why we accept the rest of the names of the hijackers as accurate?
But the most obvious question with today's 'news' is, why would this bad guy, Mohamed Atta, hand over suitcases full of incriminating evidence to airport baggage handlers?
Apparently, we're supposed to believe that he just wanted to make sure, in case the plan went awry or his luggage got lost, that federal agents would have a treasure trove of evidence to hang him and round up all his co-conspirators.
And if you believe that, you'll believe anything.
Playing devil's advocate
Isn't it possible that the hijackers wanted their identities to be known? I think the possibility must be entertained.
Yes, but then why would they
Yes, but then why would they check-in the suitcases with all the evidence as they most likely would have been put on their plane and destroyed in the crash?
Either way, it makes no sense.--if they had wanted the suitcases destroyed, why check them in as they might not make the flight-change and thus be discovered?
If you consider this matter from Atta's point of view, it really makes no sense.
When you consider these suitcases along with the passport found in NYC, there is clearly a very strong indication that evidence was planted.
A "normal" investigation would have red-flagged both the suitcases and the passport.
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JFK on secrecy and the press
high temperatures didn't bother Al Suqami's passport
"The high temperatures generated as the jet fuel exploded meant many of the 2,974 victims and some of their killers were all but atomised in the attacks."
The high tempertures didn't seem to bother Al Suqami's paper passport. Didn't even singe the edges.
Such a shame that this is so obvious - yet unknown to so many.
What a crock of shit!
They got DNA samples from their terrorist hideouts? How fucking gullible are the American masses?
They still have to sell their bullshit story 7 years later with more amazing bullshit. This is a "feel good" story, also known in the trade as a "puff piece". It is floated out there to subtly reinforce their lie while massaging the Faux news idiots about not having the victims buried with the "terrist". Ahh, that feels good don't it Bubba?
This is a classic mind game ploy.
Ditto
But why? Are the cracks in their hull letting in too much water? Are we in for a "kinder, gentler" dismissal of 9/11 from Obama? We know one thing. The "new" story is there to change the "conspiracy" conversation away from somewhere else where we are gaining ground.
I wonder some times, if no one challenged the official story would they still concoct these fantastic stories?
C$I 911
for all the Neo-Con cheering loons in la la land.
Its the $cientific Method after all these days.
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Evidence Of "Hijacker" Guilt Is Unconfirmed
Allegations of "hijacker" guilt are repeatedly represented as fact.
The accused were apparently onboard each aircraft.
The evidence of their guilt is highly circumstantial and unconfirmed.
Bottom line: The attack aircraft did not require pilot control.
confusing
"The accused were apparently onboard "EACH aircraft." " (caps mine)
"Bottom line: The "ATTACK aircraft" did not require pilot control." (caps mine)
This is so confusing because "each aircraft" may not be the same as the "attack aircraft."
As long as we have no serial number verified identifications we really don't know how many aircraft were involved, or which aircraft did what, or which aircraft the "accused" may or may not have been on.
What we do know, is that we are not being given verifiable evidence.
Comments please
Let's register (always quick) and post a few comments:
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/79402/Exclusive-Remains-of-9-11-kill...
Forensic evidence and the cause of global collapse...
Cariola recalls that "some pieces of bone were so charred that if you held it with two fingers it would disintegrate."-Newsweek
"Cremating at the optimum temperature (1400 - 1800 degrees), the average weighted remains takes 2 to 2 1/2 hours.The cremated remains are then processed into fine particles... "-Consumer Resource Guide-Cremation Questions.
"Fires — even with jet fuel — create only 1,700°F maximum. "AE911 Website. These fires were not located throughout the entire structure of course and arguably only occurred in the first few minutes after impact and the temperatures rapidly declined as the fuel burnt off.
Is the forensic evidence even MORE evidence pointing to something other than fire and gravity as the cause for collapse? I think so...
"I would imagine that if you took the top expert in that type of work and gave him the assignment of bringing these buildings down with explosives, I would bet that he could do it." -1993-John Skilling, Head Structural Engineer WTC Towers
The "Hijackers identified from DNA" story
In Eve Conant's Newsweek article dated January 3, 2009:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/177724
...the principal players in the "New York hijackers identified from DNA" claim are:
Alan Giusti, an "FBI DNA Analyst", who is "employed by the FBI laboratory in Quantico, Virginia".
http://www.nlada.org/Defender/forensics/for_lib/Documents/1116864115.77/...
Giusti was allegedly "creating DNA profiles of the New York terrorists from scraps of evidence left behind in hotel rooms and rental cars in the days before the attacks".
Then we have Robert Shaler, Head of New York City's Dept. of Forensic Biology, and his deputy Howard Baum. Shaler released a book about his investigation, and as of 2005 was claiming to have identified three of the "New York terrorists" (and four by September 2007). From historycommons.org:
According to Shaler the investigation eventually identified three of the 9/11 hijackers. However, he writes that they were not identified by name because the ten DNA profiles supplied by the FBI had no names attached. Shaler writes, “No names, just a K code, which is how the FBI designates ‘knowns,’ or specimens it knows the origins of. Of course, we had no direct knowledge of how the FBI obtained the terrorists’ DNA.”
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a100405victimdna#a100405v...
I suggest the ten unnamed profiles supplied by the FBI originated with relatives of the Towers' innocent victims, and was passed off as "hijackers' DNA". Shaler had identified 59% of the victims after 7 years. From a sample of ten, it's reasonable that he should identify four, especially given he didn't start working with the FBI's ten "hijackers" profiles until February 2003. The ruse would have meant innocent people's remains were classed as hijackers' remains and buried separately, and some of the bereaved were led to believe that their loved ones had not been identified when they had. Shaler needn't have been part of the plot, nor was Giusti necessarily in the loop if some anonymous person at the FBI switched the samples, either misleading Giusti into thinking he had hijackers' DNA or making the switch when Giusti sent the DNA on to Shaler's Department.
Interesting that Giusti found that DNA on the inside collars of shirts was mixed, and assumed that the "hijackers" shared shirts. Perhaps it was not planted very well, or they thought mixing would increase the prospect of a match.
There was no positive identification of hijackers at Pennsylvania or the Pentagon; they just needed the required number of extra DNA profiles that didn't match those provided by families. 'Identification' was merely by a process of elimination.
Conant's original stated a temperature of "2,000 degrees", clearly supposed to be Fahrenheit. This was then mashed up by Stuart Winter into "2,00C" (sic).
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/79402/Exclusive-Remains-of-9-11-kill...
However, Winter's expertise is in ornithology, not physics.
http://www.express.co.uk/blogs/author/268/Stuart%20Winter
The "11,000 gallons" of aviation fuel also derives from Conant's piece, but is supposed to relate to Flight 93. Winter has misinterpreted Conant's article and assumed the same figure applied for the WTC planes, although they were carrying about 10,000 gallons, 3,000 of which burned up in the initial fireballs and half went out the windows or flowed down elevator shafts leaving less than 4,000 gallons for the pool fires which burned up within a couple of minutes. In any case, the "11,000 gallons" for Flight 93 incorrectly assumes that the whole aircraft ended up in the crater, rather than being shot down and dispersed over several miles. And Winter's "two million tons" of rubble is rather over the top. But who needs facts when you have a good yarn for the sheeple?