The Daily Kos: Official story of 9/11 "almost entirely untrue"

Official story of 9/11 "almost entirely untrue"

by Inky99 - Sat May 16, 2009

Now, before you get your panties in a bunch, this is about a new book, titled "The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America's Defense on 9/11".

And before you get all outraged (The FAQ! The FAQ!), here is the author of the book, John Farmer:

John Farmer served as Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission, where his areas of responsibility included assessing the national response to the terrorist attacks and evaluating the current state of national preparedness for terrorist attacks and natural disasters, he also served as attorney general of New Jersey (1999-2002), as chief counsel to Governor Whitman, and as a federal prosecutor. He recently served as a subject matter/rule of law expert on security to the special envoy for Middle East regional security. He is currently a partner of a New Jersey law form and an adjunct professor of national security law at Rutgers University Law School. His editorials and articles have appeared in "The New York Times" and elsewhere

And my diary title are the words of Farmer's publisher, Houghton Mifflin...


I was banned...

From DailyKos long ago. Here's my one post on the subject of Farmer's book.

Edit: Here's a thread I posted on DailyKos a long time ago.

Edit Part II: Can someone with posting privileges at Daily Kos please go post this in the comments...


Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?


It's gonna be an interesting year.

It appears Farmer's views are being misinterpreted

AFAICT, Farmer is claiming that the 9/11 Commission report is false because of a CYA agenda. He isn't claiming anything sinister took place but rather that incompetence and chain of command disconnect were worse than portrayed by the 9/11 Commission report. For example, NORAD officials lied because they didn't want to admit how badly they dropped the ball. Suffice to say this isn't in the realm of other theories like a NORAD stand down or intentional confusion by way of war games.

I agree...

From what I understand, when Farmer testified before Leahy in regards to a "Truth Commission," he was all for another 9/11 Commission type investigation. Farmer's book confirms that we don't know the truth. We have to emphasize the fact that Farmer's belief as to why that is the case is just an opinion. An opinion that is most likely incorrect. That doesn't mean there won't be "nuggets" in the book.

You can watch him testify here. He starts at 37:53.

Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?

Shenon's book from the viewpoint of a commission insider

is my guess. Shenon, Kean/Hamilton, Clarke, Tenet and now Farmer have all managed to get 9/11 books published.There is an obvious contradiction between the views presented in 9/11 books (incompetence, bureaucratic inefficiencies, turf battles) and the overwhelming secrecy in relation to 9/11 Commission records. For example, one would think the FBI and CIA Bin Laden unit chiefs have something substantive to say about 9/11 yet we haven't heard a word from either of them.

I know most people on 9/11 Blogger know these details but many people who read Farmer's book will not know that:

Bamford refuted the incompetence explanation when he reported that Rossini and Miller were ordered to withhold information from the FBI. Bamford was also unable to explain why Hayden didn't use FISA. Cooperative Research has examined the conduct of FBI UBLU officials and discovered that UBLU officials deliberately obstructed Cole investigators (i.e. falsely claiming the Gorelick wall prevented information sharing even though the NSLU attorney said otherwise).


Purposefully obstructing justice is not "incompetence." It is criminal.

With regards to Shenon... he and I correspond on occasion. He's not a bad guy. However, the one question he won't answer is why he doesn't have a front page article on the NYTimes going through some of the more obvious problems with the official account.

Edit: I just asked Phil to sign up and comment. Don't know if he will.

Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?


Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?

Mike Malloy, The Daily Kos & 9/11

Wed, 21 Jun 2006

"...9/11 is the lynch-pin, the keystone… so why would Daily Kos say, no more discussions on my website, unless it’s the official story? ...

What the hell is going on?

Now, I realize that Daily Kos has not been a real great friend of certain left or liberal causes or individuals, I understand that, you kind of suck it up for that… but this?

I don’t know. What is the rush? What is the insistence that the story put out by the Feds, by the Bush Crime Family shall not be tampered with, and anyone who questions the collapse of buildings, the stand-down of the US Air Force, the total blackout by NORAD, the lack of body parts and black boxes… all this stuff… and if you bring it up and talk about it…

Mumble-mumble-Consiracy Theorist-mumble-mumble…

This is an essential story in US history. It will become like the attack on Pearl harbor, or like the battles at Lexington or Concord. It is part of the fabric now, of what this country is, and since September 11th, the entire policy of the Bush administration, Domestic and Foreign, has been built on what has been considered to be the official story of what occurred in this country on September 11th, 2001.

And that’s not to be challenged?

Daily Kos says, no-no-no-no, we’re not goin’ there. No, no, we’re gonna not talk about that. I don’t expect this putrid mainstream media to challenge and beat the hell outta this lying fake story… mainstream media is dead. It’s dead.

It stinks. What you smell is its rotting corpse… but online?

Where I thought the hope lay in somehow, someway ferreting out the Truth? And the Truth has already been decided?

I don’t know what the hell the Truth is, but neither does Daily Kos."

-Mike Malloy, June 16, 2006.


I believe the powers that be are floating this story as a limited hangout misdirection.

The numbers show that a good proportion of the masses don't believe the official story. They are now aware of what a bunch of liars the Bush Crime Family are. They are hypersensitized by the effects of the economic crash. They are more receptive to the 911 Truth. This story is floated to show coverup, but stop short of the Real Truth, complicity.

Daily Kos is helping float the limited hangout.

Good Point Rob. It is kind of their "marketing plan".

I am with you Rob. As time goes on, I am sure that we will see many more "false revelations" , odd 9/11 stories,and distractions in order to direct public attention.


We truthers, because we have grown in amazing ways...know how to get around a limited hangout...

Just ask the Pentagon, and Cheney, and all the "gatekeepers" how well they are doing versus how well WE are doing.

Its time to dump edgy characters who are being considered as "leaders" of the 9/11 Truth Movement...aka...AJ, Tarpley, Reynolds [how DID he get on TV early on in the game...OH yeah, he's from Texas and part of the Bush Crime Family], Ventura, Fetzer, Barrett et al.

The single most important development to me in my years of engagement with 9/11 is that SOMETHING about 9/11 got onto thedailykos.

PLEASE..just trust in yourselves...and trust that the readers of thedailykos are perfectly SKEPTICAL about almost everything...they will see through the smokescreens too...

So,. sharpen your pens, practice your answers, get ready to be the best that you have ever been at answering questions, explaining what we know, and establishing the fact the it IS PATRIOTIC to question the ALL TIMES...and especially surrounding actions of war!

Malloy is right on target in all of this...but he has been targeted by AirAmericaRadio...aka...the "lefties" in NYC-WDC because they KNOW that he will go right at these democratic whores in congress. And most Manhattan "lefties?" have some really, really big stuff to hide about 9/11...

Also, don't expect much action regarding the "fariness doctrine" in radio...from the democrats???...who will immediately be exposed as being nothing more than republicans in blue drag BY any progressive radio talk-jock...NFW!

This is a GREAT time to be alive, we are onto something really good, lets continue making our way past the left, or ANY gatekeepers [Chomsky-Zinn et al] and ELIMINATE...the limited hangout process...

Actually, thats what TRUTH SEEKING inherently actually does...we listen to the gatekeepers and hang-outers...and then ask...hey, whats the truth now that you have erected your info-fence that you THINK I'm not gonna climb?

This is terriffic news...even the owners-operators of thedailykos cannot control the minds of its followers...the truth has the best chance of accomplishing that...

Love, Peace and Progress...with:


[its a patriotic blast to count ballots...been there-done that]...


...does it not make sense that IF if we stand for democracy, why do we not give ourselves the day off to support it...and make part of it work right?...

[because the ruling class looses control when we vote while being INFORMED...that's why we vote on wierd dumb ass Truther...duhhh]

...and BTW...that's just for starters as we learn to organize in order to throw out all of these corporate whores masquerading as politicians allegedly serving US...

Robin Hordon

CD...Civil Disobedience...
CR...Civil Resistance...
CI...Civil Informationing...

Which one of the above do the HI PERPS worry the most about?

Its information baby...its all about the information...

...they WANT us to be justifies their police state...
...they WANT us to resist as individuals...because we act individually and get frustrated at being alone...
...they informed poublic that actually votes to their needs and desires...


Why do you have Jesse on that list?

I think Ventura is quite legit.

Because he is a wrestler and hung out with Uncle Fetz?

I like Ventura because he is an honest man; that is not comfortable in fear!

He absolutely showed us the way to smash the shock jocks with truth...

Robin make your case?

Regards John

9/11 24/7 UNTIL JUSTICE!!

Semper Fi

Marines, Navy Seals and special military ops folks behave by their OWN set of rules...PERIOD!

Ventura is a fringe player and when we attach our legit movement to ANY fringe player we step backwards.

If Ventura or anybody else, even McKinney wants to support our efforts and respect us, fine...lettum do it.

But NONE of them, if anybody, all, should be considered as being a "leader" of the 9/11 Truth Movement.

The Ron Paul Experiment should have made this case CLEARLY...cognitive dissonance affected ALL of the Ron Paul folks who THINK that he is a exactly opposite.

And history will show that the We Are Change "push" into the existing 9/11 Truth Movement is far more dubious than anyone other than me thinks.

Thankfully some WACrs have taken control of their concepts and practices for their own WAC groups...and its quite opposite from the confrontational tactics that forced its way into, or rode the backs of the 9/11TM in the name of supporting Libertarians and Ron Paul.

So, let the research and evidence do its work outside of leadership personalities...because they are ALWAYS trouble...

love, peace and progress...

robin hordon

Mike Malloy knows...

that the ruthless bastards in the Bush Crime Family, a term that Malloy is credited wtih coining, are prime suspects in what really happened on 911. He is a friend of 911 Truth and a credible, intelligent and courageous talk show personality.


You bet he is a friend of 9/11 truth. He is the only talk show host I will listen to. Telling the truth about 9/11 cost him his job on Air America. I love the guy for his courage. A true patriot in my book.

Most hypocrites

and thick-headed jerks finally end up doing a 180. But then, they'll still denounce you and say they knew it all along. At which time I feel like committing a Texas chainsaw massacre.

To be quite frank

I don't give a rats ass about "Dailykos" I don't give a rats ass about what they say or think. In my mind they are no different than Fox News or CNN.

I'd Like to See the KosBots Wake Up and Abandon Kos

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I have come to regard sites like Daily Kos, Firedoglake and Huffingtonpost as frauds exposed by the touchstone of 9/11.


Interesting that of my attempted posts at Huff Post, those containing links to the Harrit Danish news video are censored with special rigor.

“On the altar of God, I swear eternal hostility against all forms of tyranny over the mind of man."--Thomas Jefferson

We are fortunate with "9/11 Truth" in regards to sifting out...

We are fortunate with "9/11 Truth" in regards to sifting out the controlled media. They made it known where they stand.


I just had a look and their were 823 comments on this article at Daily Koss ( I have never seen that number of comments on any site, so I assume it is quite rare. I have not read any comments yet. It will be interesting to see if the reputed Daily Koss censorship of pro-911-truth comments will take place. Over I go, Tallyho!

Kool aid drinkers

Not much evidence of functioning brain cells over at Daily Koss.

They pride themselves in thinking alike...

on any day, pick a story, any story and read the comments. If you look for evidence of programmed groupthink
you will find it there.

I am going to venture there and find examples:

"There is no problem posting facts here - no threat of banning. You only run the risk if you post bullshit.
extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"

"evidence. You don't have it. You have suggestions of possible contrary accounts.
You have no coherent account of what might have happened that better accounts for the fact at hand.
It's called occam's razor. Look it up."

"Why do people need to cling to the conspiracy
theories. Isn't incompetence on such a grand scale enough?"

"It was a BBC announcer. Building was behind her
as she announced it's accidental demise.

"A google search page of links with story and videos galore since any singular link might be called a conspiracy site"

" Reporters get it wrong sometimes

"Simple. Reporters can get things wrong.
Especially if they're not native NYers and don't know which buildings are which. Tell me you've never seen a TV reporter make an honest mistake before."

"Of all the conspiracy nonsense, this is the point that proves the truthers are truly the dumbest people on earth. What do you think - BBC was in on the super secret conspiracy? LOL."

Markos Moulitsas Zuniga appears to be a CIA shepherd

Which would explain the meteoric rise of his blog and its mainstream promotion.

“On the altar of God, I swear eternal hostility against all forms of tyranny over the mind of man."--Thomas Jefferson

Daily Kos looks to be a CIA site and Markos Moulitsas Zuniga ...

Daily Kos looks to be a CIA site and Markos Moulitsas Zuniga acts like a covert operative.

That is the explanation that most closely fits the evidence.

Those videos are excellent!

More evidence.

Kos interviewed with the CIA- went "all the way to the end"

The Indictment of Markos C.A. Moulitsas ZÚÑIGA by Justice and History (Updated with Additional Information and Counts)

Check out his appearance at the Commonwealth Club- linked at the above link- he said he had to make a choice about whether to work for the Dean campaign- or to become a spy!! (sounding happy!!) EDIT- and he DID go to work for the Dean campaign; supposedly as a web guru...

Came from a rich, right-wing background and lied about it. Runs a blog that is heavily promoted by MSM as edgy, fun, hip liberal-progressive, but doesn't represent on key issues- like many faux-prog gatekeepers

996 comments- archived.

The CIA Truth about Kos - Daily Kos- Embedded

The CIA Truth about Kos - Daily Kos

Kos's Missing Time Gap - Daily Kos CIA Truth

Daily Kos is Very Close-Minded

I was reading some of the comments over at the Daily Kos site and it's surprising how close-minded many of the posters are. In fact, their close-mindedness has a strong fascistic tone to it. This leads me to believe the site is run by zealous ideologues and not by truth seekers. We knew a lot of resistance was coming from the right. I now see a lot is also coming from the left.


interesting seeing the shades of 'cover up of incompetence and negligence' being posted, as well as the abject fear of considering that it may have been the result of a conspiracy on some level. Some commenters there have gotten good at presenting the evidence and implications, without getting into theory and speculation- other commenters are clearly trying to bait them, including with insults and changing the subject- also see inky99's previous diary, linked near the top of the post

The Comments are Starting to Make Sense

The Comments are Starting to Make Sense!

Huffington post seems to have many more

poster who realize 9.11 was a staged event. Daily Kos seems like they have intentional steered their readers away from real discusssions.

Another one...

Reading Comments at Kos is Painful

"Did you even READ the diary? (31+ / 0-)

The diarist didn't say anything like that. He's saying that yes, there are a few crazies who believe 911 was an inside job, etc. And they are rightfully maligned. But because we're afraid of being maligned as they are, we are afraid to investigate legitimate holes in the 911 story. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. In fact I happen to agree with the diarist on this one, and that doesn't make me (or him) a tinfoil hattie."

above citation classic LIMITED HANGOUT

The PTB are hard at work putting up funhouse mirrors, distorting the real truth while floating the story that stops short of the Truth.

Suspected agents at

One of many things that is hard to understand is how some of the "regulars" manage to post so often.

Meteor Blades: 40 per day for the last month
That starts to look like a professional who is being paid to post on that site and others.

Mia Dolan: Claims to be a lawyer. Must have lots of extra time to post so often
Look like an agent

DKos Slowly Coming Around

I comment ther under a different user name. I do what I can do there to further a clear view of 9/11 without getting banned. I bet if they did a poll there 40% would believe there is govt complicity.

and the other %60 IT = Incompetence Theory

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