Arnaud de Borchgrave presented with 9-11 truth on C-SPAN

Today on C-SPAN, a caller asked a question about the presence of thermite in the World Trade Center dust and its implications for American foreign policy. I wrote the entire program up as an entry for a diary on OpEdNews. The last graph contains the 9-11 question.

New Middle East war on the horizon, says foreign policy expert

By Peter Duveen

PETER'S NEW YORK, Monday, June 1, 2009--In a revealing and informative interview, journalist and foreign policy expert Arnaud de Borchgrave said today there is no relief in sight for what ails the Israelis and the Palestinians, and that a war involving the two parties was all but inevitable. He also said Iran was close to obtaining a nuclear weapon, but that military action against that country by the United States or Israel was not a realistic option.

"I think we're a long, long way from a Palestinian state," de Borchgrave, Director of the Transnational Threats Project for the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, D.C, told viewers of the cable news network C-SPAN. De Borchgrave, who is also editor-at-large for the Washington Times and wire service United Press International, said a new war would break out in the Middle East "when people understand that there isn't going to be a Palestinian state." The United States, he said, would not force Israel to withdraw from the occupied territories because of the close relationship between the two countries. "Israel is tantamount to the 51st state," he said.

He said that an Israeli attack on Iran would not set that country's nuclear program back for more than two or three years, and that Iran had "formidable asymmetrical retaliatory capabilities," including a natural alliance with a Shiite Moslem population strategically distributed throughout the region. Iran, he noted, also controls the Strait of Hormuz, through which a major portion of Middle East oil must pass to get to market.

"To intervene (militarily) in Iran I think would be madness," he said.

During almost an hour of air time on early morning television, De Borchgrave was peppered with questions from C-SPAN's viewers on a broad array of topics, from the Iraq war to Osama Bin Laden.

The Iraq War, De Borchgrave noted, was in the planning stages as early as 1996, when a "white paper" penned by former defense department officials Richard Perle and Douglas Feith called for the United States to "try to establish democracies around Israel," a move that the authors maintained would secure peace for that country for a quarter of a century. "That was the overall idea," De Borchgrave said. Part of the plan, he said, was for Israel to keep its settlements in the West Bank.

The decision to invade Iraq, de Borchgrave said, had already been made a year before the first shots were fired across Baghdad. The war was a "huge distraction from the real problems of the world," he said, adding that then-Iraqi President Saddam Hussein was "a threat to his own people only" and certainly not to the United States.

De Borchgrave said Iran is close to developing nuclear capability, adding that it would be naive to think otherwise, as that nation has had the know-how to produce a nuclear weapon for many years. "They've been at it for a quarter of a century." he said. Israel, he said, has been a nuclear power since 1960 or 1961. He said that, in light of a country as young as Pakistan having obtained nuclear arms, Iran was not likely to understand why it should not have them as well.

He noted that Iran was a great power, a great civilization, and had legitimate worries about its security. It is "incumbent upon talk about their concerns and our concerns," he said. De Borchgrave said there was no military solution to the problems of either North Korea or Iran.

On other matters, when asked if Osama Bin Laden, the titular head of Al Qaeda, is alive, he said, "Oh yes, I have no doubt that he is."

Another listener cited a scientific paper demonstrating the presence of a high-tech explosive he called "advanced thermitic material" in the dust from the collapses of the World Trade Center towers on September 11, 2001. The listener asked de Borchgrave what the implications for foreign policy would be if it were determined that the buildings were brought down by explosives rather than by the airliners that collided with them on 9-11. De Borchgrave indicated he was not familiar with the report. "I take your word for it for the time being and will check on it later," he said.

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A previous gem

Even though Arnaud de Borchgrave is a conservative, he appears not to be a neo-con toady. He wrote in the Washington Times back in 2004,

"WMDs were not the principal reason for going to war against Saddam Hussein’s Iraq; they were the pretext.… When this writer first heard from prominent neoconservatives in April 2002 that war was no longer a question of ‘if’ but ‘when,’ the casus belli had little to do with WMDs. The Bush administration, they explained, starkly and simply, had decided to redraw the geopolitical map of the Middle East."

deBorchgrave was presented with 9/11 truth on September 26, 2001

He interviewed Hameed Gul, director of the Pakistani ISI, two weeks after 9/11 for UPI:

RAWALPINDI, Pakistan -- The retired Pakistani general who is closest to the Taliban and Osama bin Laden contends the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on New York City and Washington were the work of renegade U.S. Air Force elements working with the Israelis. Gen. Hameed Gul led Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence during the war against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Gul serves as an adviser to Pakistan's extremist religious political parties, which oppose their government's decision to support the United States in any action against Afghanistan's Taliban regime. Gul contends bin Laden had nothing to do with the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, saying instead that they were the work of the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service -- a version of events that has been endorsed by Islamic fundamentalist clerics and is widely accepted by Muslims throughout the Arab world.

Here is the transcript of the exclusive interview Gul gave to Arnaud de Borchgrave, United Press International editor at large:

Transcript: UPI United Press International, Sep. 26, 2001 interviews General Gul:

De Borchgrave: So who did Black Sept. 11?

Gul: Mossad and its accomplices. The U.S. spends $40 billion a year on its 11 intelligence agencies. That's $400 billion in 10 years. Yet the Bush Administration says it was taken by surprise. I don't believe it. Within 10 minutes of the second twin tower being hit in the World Trade Center CNN said Osama bin Laden had done it. That was a planned piece of disinformation by the real perpetrators. It created an instant mindset and put public opinion into a trance, which prevented even intelligent people from thinking for themselves.


" On other matters, when

" On other matters, when asked if Osama Bin Laden, the titular head of Al Qaeda, is alive, he said, "Oh yes, I have no doubt that he is." "

This reveals everything.

The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it

I think you hit the nail

on the head. De Borchgrave does say Bin Laden is alive, but doesn't say why he thinks so. In his interview with Gul, he voices skepticism over Gul's belief that the U.S. and Israel were somehow behind it. So he has never actually supported a false flag theory relating to 9-11.