Outline of Evidence for the JFK Assassination (Part 1 of 3)

(One of the best journals at DemocraticUnderground.com belongs to poster Time for change. I have invited TFC to repost his "Outline of Evidence for the JFK Assassination" here, as it offers a good introduction to just a few of the many problems with the JFK "Official Conspiracy Theory", aka the Warren Commission Report. Quite a few of the things that TFC mentions are covered by JFK researcher Robert Groden in his classic documentary, "JFK: The Case for Conspiracy". If you haven't seen it, Peter Dale Scott draws many parallels between JFK and 9/11 in his talk, JFK and 9/11 - Insights Gained From Studying Both. -rep.)

My interest in the death of President Kennedy derives from my belief that his presidency and his death were pivotal points in American history.

At the time of his assassination, President Kennedy was in the midst of intense efforts to end the Cold War. Had he lived to run for a second term, it seems likely that the Cold War would have ended some 25 years earlier than it did. Instead, through the time that the Cold War ended in 1991 we were ruled by a series of U.S. presidents who (with the exception of Jimmy Carter) sought to expand the Cold War, and along with it the imperial presidency and the scope and size of the Military Industrial Complex.

I believe that the question of how President Kennedy was killed and who killed him is still of great importance to our nation today. If as I and many others believe, powerful interests were behind his assassination, that has grave implications for where we stand as a nation – then and now. If they could get away with it then, they could probably do so again. A 2003 Gallup poll on the subject shows that the American people, by a 75% to 19% margin, believe that people other than Lee Harvey Oswald were involved in a conspiracy to assassinate the president. If that belief is accurate and if our elected representatives hold a similar belief, that could have major implications for the way that our government operates today. Certainly it has major implications over how much control our president and other elected representatives have over the operations of our government. More specifically, perhaps it could help explain why our government is so far to the right of the American people today.

My objective in this post, and two that will follow, is to describe what I see as the important evidence on the subject of whether or not a conspiracy was involved in the JFK assassination. Since the official government position on the subject, as reported by the Warren Commission Report, holds that Lee Harvey Oswald acted as the lone assassin, and that he shot the president from the Texas School Book Depository, which was facing the back of the president’s head when he was shot, the question boils down largely to whether the bullets came from behind the president or in front of him or both. If they came only from behind, that is consistent with the official story. If any of them came from in front of the president, then that flatly contradicts the official story and is clearly indicative of a conspiracy.

The most important evidence in this case is therefore the medical evidence, which comes in two parts: 1) from the doctors who saw and treated the president’s wounds at Parkland Hospital prior to his death; and 2) from the autopsy. The doctors at Parkland Hospital are on record as saying that both the fatal bullet to the head and the one that caused the throat wound came from the front. The autopsy report, on the other hand, indicates that those bullets came from the back.

With that in mind, here is an outline of how I intend to approach this subject over three posts:

Outline of presentation of evidence

Ancillary evidence
In this post I do not intend to cover what I consider to be the most important issues – the evidence from the doctors who treated the president at Parkland Hospital, and the autopsy. Rather, in this post I will talk about what I consider to be ancillary evidence, which I do not claim to be definitive, though I do believe that it is highly suggestive of a conspiracy. Since I am less familiar with (and less interested in) this ancillary evidence than I am with what I consider to be the more definitive evidence, I will cover it in less detail.

The medical evidence from Parkland Hospital
In my second post I’ll discuss the evidence from the medical professionals, including nine doctors and a nurse, who saw and treated President Kennedy at Parkland Hospital prior to his death. In David Lifton’s book, “Best Evidence”, those medical professionals are quoted as saying that the fatal wound produced a large hole (5-7 centimeters by one account) in the back right side of the head. The skull at the back of the head was noted to have “exploded outwards”. The physicians characterized this wound as an exit wound. Lifton also deals with the wound at the front of the throat, which the physicians characterized as being an entrance wound. In this post I’ll also point out some of the major differences between what the Parkland doctors said they saw and what the autopsy doctors found.

Exploring the contradictions between the Parkland doctors’ accounts and the autopsy evidence
Given the striking differences between what the doctors at Parkland Hospital said they saw vs. the autopsy evidence, an explanation is demanded. If the Parkland doctors are correct in what they said they saw, then at least one, probably two, and possibly more shots came from the front – in the direction of the grassy knoll. But the autopsy report says that both of Kennedy’s wounds came from bullets entering from the back – in the direction of the Texas School Book Depository, where evidence placed Lee Harvey Oswald at the time of the shooting.

In my third post I’ll discuss what I consider to be abundant evidence that the reason for this contradiction is that the president’s body was altered prior to the autopsy, to make it look as if the bullets that caused both the head and throat wound came from the back rather than from the front. In that post I will also critique Vincent Bugliosi’s critique of Lifton’s explanation for the many contradictions between the Parkland doctors and the autopsy report. Bugliosi’s critique is from his book, “Reclaiming History – The Assassination of John F. Kennedy”. Bugliosi supports the official account of the assassination, as cited by the Warren Commission.

SOME ANCILLARY EVIDENCE

Eye-witnesses at the scene

David Lifton notes in his book, “Best Evidence”, that 64 of 90 eye-witnesses whose accounts appeared either in the published records of the Warren Commission or in contemporaneous news accounts indicated that shots originated from the grassy knoll area, in front of and to the right of the president’s motorcade.

Three witnesses, including two motorcycle cops, actually noted brain or skull material flying backwards from JFK’s head. Here is Lifton’s description of these eye-witness accounts:

Motorcycle officers B.J. Martin and B. M. Hargis, riding to the left rear of the President, both testified they were splattered with debris from the impact of the fatal shot. Hargis testified the debris struck with such force “I thought at first I might have been hit.” Hargis told reporters on November 22 the fatal shot struck “the right side of the head.” He told the Commission: “I was splattered with blood and brain, and kind o bloody water.” Officer Martin testified that bloody matter ended up on this uniform, helmet, and the windshield of his motorcycle…. Charles Brehm… told Mark Lane… “That which appeared to be a portion of the President’s skull went flying slightly to the rear of the President’s car and directly to its left…”

Motives

I’ve talked about motives in previous posts, so I won’t go into them in great detail here. In one post I discuss JFK’s conflicts with his CIA, which led him to fire three of its most prominent members, including CIA Director Allen Dulles, who was quoted as saying shortly before his death, “That little Kennedy… he thought he was a god”.

In another post I discuss how Kennedy resisted four times over two years the strenuous efforts of his CIA and military to draw him into an invasion of Cuba. Instead of letting them draw him into a situation that could very well have led to a nuclear war, Kennedy sought an accommodation with Castro’s Cuba in the last months of his life.

In another post I discuss how Kennedy further confronted the Military Industrial Complex by refusing to go to war in Laos, thwarting their plans for control over the Congo, making plans for withdrawal from Vietnam, and pressuring the steel industry to reverse their price hikes.

Obviously, no evidence of motives could prove who assassinated JFK. But when combined with everything else, it paints a chilling picture in my opinion.

A statement that Robert Kennedy made to Soviet Ambassador Anatoly Dobrynin in the course of their back channel negotiations during the Cuban Missile Crisis provides additional evidence that JFK treaded on dangerous grounds when he defied his military or CIA. According to Nikita Khrushchev, Bobby told Dobrynin (p 618) that his brother:

didn’t know how to resolve the situation. The military is putting great pressure on him, insisting on military actions against Cuba and the President is in a very difficult position… Even if he doesn’t want or desire a war, something irreversible could occur against his will…

Nikita Khrushchev’s son Sergei fills in additional details of the RFK-Dobrynin conversations. According to Sergei Khrushchev, Bobby told Dobrynin (p 498):

If the situation continues much longer, the President is not sure that the military will not overthrow him and seize power.

The head motion

Frames 312 to 323 of the Zapruder film demonstrate the motion of Kennedy’s head after being struck by one of the bullets, which initially made contact with Kennedy’s head between frames 312 and 313. In frame 312 Kennedy is leaning slightly forward with his head tilted slightly down. Between frames 312 and 313 his head moves down and about two inches forward*, so that his chin is resting against his chest. Then, between frames 313 and 323 the motion is reversed as the head is thrown back against the back seat of the car. This all takes place over a little more than half a second.

What explains the double motion? David Lifton discussed the sequence with Dr. James Riddle, a physicist on the UCLA faculty, whose opinion was that the initial slight forward motion resulted from a downward rotation of the head, which was hit by a bullet coming from the front and slightly above the head. Following that short and quick rotational movement, the forward momentum of the bullet carried the head backwards. Riddle concluded:

The motion of Kennedy’s body in frames 312 -313 is totally inconsistent with the impact of a bullet from above and behind. Thus, the only reasonable conclusion consistent with the laws of physics is that the bullet was fired from a position forward and to the right of the President (i.e. from the grassy knoll area).

Other possibilities are that the double motion is explained by two separate bullets or that the initial down and forward movement was a ducking motion in response to the sound of rifle fire.

The Warren Commission Report did not discuss this issue.

* Warren Commission Hearings, Volume 7, page 560

Acoustical evidence

Many years after the assassination, acoustical science progressed to the point where many believed it could be used to help determine how many bullets were fired at Kennedy on October 22, 1963, and which direction they came from. I don’t understand this science, so I can only report what some others have said.

Most striking are the findings of the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA), which was established in 1976 to reinvestigate the JFK assassination (among other things), and released its final report in 1979. Based on then newly available acoustical evidence that indicated the existence of a fourth shot which probably came from the front, the report contradicted the Warren Commission findings by concluding that the assassination was “probably a conspiracy”.

I find it very telling how little play this finding received in our national news media. In fact, I’ll bet that not 1% of the U.S. population even knows about this. Given the great pressure on the HSCA not to come to a conclusion of this nature, the fact that they did come to that conclusion takes on all the more significance in my opinion.

Evidence has subsequently been presented that supposedly “discredits” the HSCA finding of a fourth shot from the front. And then, subsequent evidence has supposedly “discredited” the evidence that “discredited” the HSCA evidence on this issue. Anyhow, this is a messy subject, and I can’t interpret it. But I thought it would be worth mentioning since it is an instance where a governmental body contradicted the Warren Commission Report enough to label the JFK assassination as a “conspiracy”. Whether or not the acoustical evidence that the HSCA relied on, in part, to contradict the Warren Commission, was itself discredited, I cannot determine.

The single (magic) bullet theory

What has become known as the “single (magic) bullet theory” is that a single bullet hit Kennedy in the back, exited the front of his neck, and then continued on to hit Governor John Connally (sitting in the front seat, in front of Kennedy) in the back, wrist and leg. That bullet was later allegedly found on Connally’s stretcher at Parkland Hospital.

I won’t get into the physics of how a bullet could have made such a journey, which has been argued back and forth by both sides. Aside from the fact that the doctors at Parkland said that the wound at the front of the neck was an entrance wound, there are other problems as well with the single bullet theory.

First, FBI ballistics expert Robert Frazier testified that bullet 399 was “clean”. The bullet weighed 158.6 grains, which Frazier determined to be underweight by 3 grains, an amount which he said could have been accounted for by normal variations in the manufacturing process, and therefore “There did not necessarily have to be any weight loss”*.

Commander James Humes, the chief autopsy pathologist, testified in response to Arlen Specters question, “Could that missile have made the wound on Governor Connally’s right wrist?”

I think that is most unlikely… The reason I believe it most unlikely that this missile could have inflicted either of these wounds (the Connally wounds) is that this missile is basically intact; its jacket appears to me to be intact, and I do not understand how it could possibly have left fragments in either of these locations (in Connally).

Colonel Fink, another of the autopsy doctors, responded to the same question from Specter, “No, for the reason that there are too many fragments described in that wrist.” And Dr. Shaw, one of the Parkland doctors, responded:

The examination of the wrist both by X-ray and at the time of surgery showed some fragments of metal that make it difficult to believe that the same missile could have caused these two wounds… And I feel that there would be some difficulty in explaining all of the wounds as being inflicted by bullet Exhibit 399 without causing more in the way of loss of substance to the bullet or deformation of the bullet.**

Yet, despite all this, the Warren Report concluded:

All the evidence indicated that the bullet found on the governor’s stretcher could have caused all his wounds.

* Warren Commission Hearings, Volume 20, page 174
** Warren Commission Hearings, Volume 7, page 510

Lee Harvey Oswald’s CIA connection

If Lee Harvey Oswald was found to be connected with the CIA, that would of course cast quite a cloud over the theory that he acted as the lone gunman in the JFK assassination. Many researchers have discussed apparent connections between Oswald and the CIA. James Douglass, in his book “JFK and the Unspeakable”, discusses quite a bit of evidence tying Oswald to the CIA. I’ll discuss just one of those here: Oswald’s association with George de Mohrenschildt:

On June 13, 1962, Lee Harvey Oswald returned to the United States after his defection to the Soviet Union. He was not met by arrest and prosecution. Instead Oswald was welcomed by order of the U.S. government…

In the summer of 1962… Lee was befriended by George de Mohrenschildt… De Mohrenschildt would admit in a 1977 interview that he had been given a go-ahead to meet Oswald by J. Walton Moore, the Dallas CIA Domestic Contacts Service Chief… De Mohrenschildt said he was handed Lee Harvey Oswald’s address by “one of Moore’s associates, who suggested de Mohrenschildt meet Oswald… Moore then gave de Mohrenschildt the go-ahead to befriend the Oswalds, which de Mohrenschildt promptly did – with the firm understanding that he was carrying out the CIA’s wishes…. On October 7, 1962… de Mohrenschildt urged his new friend Lee Harvey Oswald to move to Dallas… Oswald… the next day he quit his job and made the move. De Mohrenschildt then became Oswald’s mentor in Dallas… Lee Harvey Oswald reported to work at a defense contractor that was apparently involved in logistics support for the U-2 mission… Oswald was once again… defying the normal laws of government security barriers… None of George de Mohrenschildt’s extensive U.S. intelligence connections are mentioned in the Warren Report.

Douglass then discusses de Mohrenschildt’s last day:

On March 29, 1977, three hours after his (de Mohrenschildt) revelation of the CIA’s sanctioning his contact with Oswald, George de Mohrenschildt was found shot to death in the house where he was staying… His death also occurred on the day an investigator for the House Select Committee on Assassinations left his card with de Mohrenschildt’s daughter and told her he would be calling her father that evening for an appointment to question him.

CONCLUDING REMARKS

What I’ve posted here today is just a very small sample of arguments against the official story of a lone gunman. I’ve been in book stores where there were entire sections devoted to this topic, with dozens, or maybe over a hundred books. Even so, in the absence of any other evidence I would consider the sum total of what I’ve discussed in this post alone to be reason enough to be highly suspicious of the Warren Report’s conclusions. And as I said above, I haven’t yet gotten into what I consider to be the most important evidence, which is the medical evidence and the evidence that the president’s body was altered prior to the autopsy.

The head shots


JF - What I believe is this : ….. And I got my readings as a marksman, I'm a good shooter, always was, I'm not bragging on my stuff, don't get me wrong, but that's what got me my start with David Phillips. Because of something that I did in the service, and I made a mark there and it's on record and it's recorded, for headshots, for what I did, and the things that I did. But anyway, to make a long story short, as I am preparing to squeeze off my round, Kennedy's head moved forward, just as I squeezed. It was already in process, the head started forward. To me … what I believe is, … and I did not see, let me clear the fact now, I never saw Mr. Nicoletti shoot Kennedy, but I know he was the man in the Daltex building, the man supposed to be doing the shooting. Therefore the head started forward and as far as I am concerned Mr Nicoletti hit him at that point. As I squeezed off my round, the head started forward, I hit it and blew the head backwards.

http://jfkmurdersolved.com/headshot.htm

IMO: JFK was caught in a standard military assassination ambush: crossfire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossfire

Did James Files do it? Maybe. Maybe he's covering for the guy that really did it. A voice stress analysis claims Files was at least involved, although he may be exaggerating his role.

I have to ask a naive question

Regarding the shot(s) from the grassy knoll:

Shouldn't there be an exit wound on the left side of Kennedy's head? As I understand it, the wound was on the right side of his head.

I agree with the rest of the evidence cited here.

Exit wound

Rounds could have been used that exploded on impact. And judging from the pictures and the state of JFK's skull, this is indeed what happened.

That's a very good question

It's a question that perplexed Lifton as much as any other question that he dealt with in his book. So much so that in one section of the book he goes through the pros and cons of theorizing an entrance wound to the right temple vs. the left temple.

Indeed, Lifton quotes two of the doctors as saying that they did note an entrance wound in the left temple. But then, the grassy knoll was to the right, which would have meant that an entrance wound in the right temple would have been more likely.

Lifton ends up by saying that this is probably a question that will never be answered. In any event, what appears certain is that the fatal head wound came from the front.

A good compliment to this:

The JFK 10-Point Program

by Joseph E. Green

http://ctka.net/2009/ten_point_program.html

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Warren Commission 26 Volumes, HSCA records and much more:

http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/contents/contents_jfk.htm

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One of the best who and why articles:

The Nazi Connection to the JFK Assassination

by Mae Brussell

http://maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussell%20Articles/Nazi%20Connection%20to%...

For me

it is very hard to discern info, misinfo, and disinfo in the JFK case. But let me just point out a few things:

The Zapruder film should not be taken at face value - it may have been altered in the 12 years before it was publicly released in full form. It has some internal inconsistencies, and inconsistencies with witnesses that are hard to resolve.

I cannot imagine why the acoustic evidence cannot be re-examined NOW by acoustic experts, instead of bickering about the analysis done in the 1970's. Computing power is far greater now, and there are many people around (not me, unfortunately) who are capable of doing it. If I remember correctly, the previous work was not done completely because the team ran out of funds (just after they claimed they found a conclusive 4th shot!).

Thanks for your post!

It was altered

Some time ago, I was looking at various versions of the Zapruder film that I have stored locally. Some versions are slowed down, some include the footage in the sprocket holes...

But I suddenly noticed there was a "jump" in the video. Then I looked at the frame numbers. Somehow during years of interest in the JFK assassination I had managed to miss that.

Everybody focuses on the alleged fakery in the Zapruder film. This is very well possible, but don't forget the simplest and coarsest form of censorship: cutting stuff out.

I quote from Wikipedia, the ever reliable CIA propaganda outlet:

In October 1964, the U.S. Government Printing Office released 26 volumes of testimony and evidence compiled by the Warren Commission. Volume 18 of the commission's hearings reproduced 158 frames of the Zapruder film in black and white. However, frames 208–211 were missing, a splice was visible in frames 207 and 212, frames 314 and 315 were switched, and frame 284 was a repeat of 283.[12] In reply to an inquiry, the FBI's J. Edgar Hoover wrote in 1965 that 314 and 315 were switched due to a printing error, and that the error did not exist in the original Warren Commission exhibits. In early 1967, Life released a statement that four frames of the camera original (208–211) had been accidentally destroyed, and the adjacent frames damaged, by a Life photo lab technician on November 23, 1963. Life released the missing frames from the first-generation copy it had received from Zapruder with the original.[13] (Of the Zapruder frames outside the section used in the commission's exhibits, frames 155–157 and 341 were also damaged and spliced out of the camera original, but are present in the first-generation copies.)

Despite this confusing language by Wikipedia, last I looked, crucial frames 208-211 are still "missing". Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

Unsuprisingly, Time Life has links to the CIA:

Allen Dulles often interceded with his good friend, the late Henry Luce, founder of Time and Life magazines, who readily allowed certain members of his staff to work for the Agency and agreed to provide jobs and credentials for other CIA operatives who lacked journalistic experience.

Nothing about the destruction of frames 208-211 is 'accidental'. Really, I lost count of all the incriminating photos and videos that got 'damaged' or 'lost' in the hands of the accused ... or friends of the accused. I could make a list, but you get the point.

There sure have been a lot of 'accidents'

with this famous film!

FWIW, here's the film, frame-by-frame. I think there are patches (with the 1st-gen copy?) in some places you mention:

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/

Excellent link!

Thanks so much! So there they are! Do you also get the feeling 209-211 are fuzzier than 208 and 212?

It's worthwhile to mention these frames are at the moment the first bullet was allegedly fired, iirc.

I agree that it could have been altered

Lifton noted some very strange characteristics of the Warren report handling of the Zapruder film, including the fact that many of the frames that closely preceded the fatal head shot were missing.

The Zapruder filem was altered...

According to Robert Groden's film, JFK: A case for conspiracy. The film was altered just prior to the president's limo going behind the billboard. The frames that were removed show the president and governor reacting to the sound of the first shot. It also claims to be the first time that the Zapruder film was shown in its original unedited footage.

the documentary can be seen here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8440302925206489846&ei=lLFuSuD_B...

or you can order from Netflix.

Peace

dtg

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- President Eisenhower; April 16, 1953

A few inconsistencies

(and excuse me, much is from memory, I hope I get it right)

- There are two ladies around frame 298; the one holding the camera has claimed that she had one foot off the curb and in the street. This is not the case in the film. Come to think of it, some of the figures on the grass look a little 'pasted' and don't seem to be following the limo, either.

- I think the time break in 132-133 is inconsistent with Zapruder's testimony, who claimed to film continuously. (You'd better double-check this...)

- The two motorcycle police behind the limo claim they were sprayed with a LOT of material from JFK, yet the film shows the spray going forward.

- The bone ejected in 313-314 moves in a manner inconsistent with Newton's laws of motion; it should continue on the same path apparent in 313, but it moves to the right in 314.

Trivia: there is a head seen at the base of the frame in 413. Some people claim this was the assassin. Who knows...

Just my 2 cents.....

Good read

As promising as all of this is, and as much new or previously unseen evidence comes to light, the stigma still exists that those who question the official event are "conspiracy theorists." This event has huge ties to 9-11 for this very reason, I believe, and it is not surprising that the same people that are passionate about the truth on 9-11 are also passionate about the truth for JFK's assassination. There has been so much deception and cover-up in both situations, you would have to be a fool it seems to not question what has been presented. I try to take into account the amount of flouride and aluminum in tap water, and the "programming" on TV and it becomes easier for me to understand how the American public is asleep to what is happening. I pray that we are able to continue moving forward in the struggle against these criminals and that we are able to free ourselves from the shackles of tyranny and oppression. Thanks to all that did such terrific research into this!

The love that you withhold is the pain that you carry

Grassy Knoll shooter has confessed

which I believe fits into TFC's premises
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTVH--eqWg4

A New Book on 11/22/63

Here is a new book on the JFK assassination. It is a must read for all truthers. I am ordering one. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/oliver-stone/jfk-and-the-unspeakable_b_243... To be honest there is still much I don't know about his murder. As a kid I knew right away it was an inside job. I knew the moment Oswald was shot. I knew they had to shut him up.(Just like Big Bin) Actually anyone who knew too much ended up dead. I also knew Oswald could never have hit Kennedy from the School Book Depository. I was in the National Guard at the time and knew the greatest marksman in the world never could have hit him from that position. What I didn't know was who was behind it and why they did it. I sure do now to some extent. If we can get to the bottom of 11/22/63 it will make exposing 9/11/2001 a lot easier.

Quote from new book

"Why does it matter? The death of JFK remains a critical turning point in our history. Those who caused his death were targeting not just a man but a vision -- a vision of peace. There is no calculating the consequences of his death for this country and for the world. Those consequences endure. To a large extent, the fate of our country and the future of the planet continue to be controlled by the shadowy forces of what Douglass calls "the Unspeakable." Only by unmasking these forces and confronting the truth about our history can we restore the promise of democracy and lay claim to Kennedy's vision of peace.

A Nightmare On Elm Street

Mortician Paul Groody describes how federal agents came to his funeral home and asked him to leave the room where Oswald's body was being prepared. When the federal agents left, Groody found both of Oswald's hands were black from fingerprint ink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqyufPSuWXY

Dean Jackson/Editor-in-Chief DNotice.org
Washington, DC

best evidence - secret service stand down

John F Kennedy Assassination Secret Service Stand Down
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5770984395481454022

4th Film. Where is it and why has it never been released

At the end of the video the narrator mentions a 4th video that was confiscated by the FBI and never released to the public. Does anyone have more info on that. (kinda reminds me of all the tapes at the pentagon that were confiscated.)