Support 911Blogger


Jesse Ventura will explore 9/11 with new show

From Infowars.com

Jesse Ventura gives Alex Jones an inside look at his new TV show
Infowars
August 25, 2009

Alex Jones visits with Jesse Ventura, who is working on a TruTV show dubbed ‘Conspiracy Theory’ and slated for a late fall release.

The former governor gives us a glimpse into his upcoming show, which will delve into and investigate various areas of ‘controversial history.’ Ventura won’t give away the episode topics, but does tell us that Alex will be part of the show, and that areas like 9/11 will be explored.

Associated Video:

Article Link:
http://www.infowars.com/jesse-ventura-gives-alex-jones-an-inside-look-at-his-new-tv-show/

He tells...

"Us that Alex will be part of the show." Bad decision in my opinion. But... what do I know? Also, he should call his show, "Conspiracy Analysis" ala Gore Vidal.


Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?

How about...

"Conspiracy Hypothesis," cause really, that is what it is.

The cover-up of 9/11...

Is not a "hypothesis." It is a fact that a massive cover-up regarding the attacks exists. Therefore, analyzing that reality makes more sense in my opinion.


Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?

good point

The cover up is an absolute fact. Most everything else that follows is hypothesis --from stand down orders to controlled demolition to Al Qaeda being a US proxy to a 757 flying over the Pentagon.

Once someone is aware of the facts of a government cover up, the hypothesizing can begin as to why they might have done that. Creating or researching a hypothesis is a healthy thing to do; what we as members of the 9/11 truth movement need to keep in mind at all times is that we are truth seekers, not "I'm right"ers.

To me, a truth seeker can bend ideas to accept new facts. "I'm right"ers are far less capable of this because ideas have changed into beliefs.

________________________
“The greatest purveyor of violence in the world today -- my own government.” -Martin Luther King, Jr.
http://www.ubuntu.com

Someone once said...

And I quote, "I would like to say that theorizing about what happened on 9/11, when you're not being given answers to your questions about that day by the people who SHOULD be able to do so, is PERFECTLY normal."

However, there is a difference between theory and fact. I believe we should promote our facts more than our theories. I've always believed that.


Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?

A 757 flying over the

A 757 flying over the Pentagon stretches the limits of a viable hypothesis. Nobody saw that happen.

Roosevelt Roberts, Jr. Did!

Actually Pentagon police officer Roosevelt Roberts ran out to the Pentagon's loading dock after he heard an explosion. He said he saw a commercial airliner flying just over the light poles, banking away from the Pentagon:

Aldo: Right. So, how many seconds-

Roosevelt: Uh. . .

Aldo: -would you guess?

Roosevelt: Maybe, uh. . . ten seconds tops.

Aldo: Ten seconds tops?

Roosevelt: Ten seconds tops.

Aldo: So you- you heard the explosion and ten seconds later you were outside and you were able to see that plane?

Roosevelt: Correct. You could see that plane just as clear as day. Couldn't miss it.

Aldo: Wha- what color was it; do you remember?

Roosevelt: Uh, it was- to me at that time, it looked like it was silver in color.

*02:30

Aldo: Like silver in color; but you saw it over the south parking lot.

Roosevelt: Right; around the lane one area, and it was like banking just above the, uh, light poles like.

Aldo: Okay. And ho-

Roosevelt: Had to been no more than- had to been no more than fifty feet or less than a hundred feet.

Aldo: Wow. And s- ho- do you remember how many engines you saw on it?

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread382628/pg1

Dean Jackson/Editor-in-Chief DNotice.org
Washington, DC

I know it's off topic, but

I know it's off topic, but yes, you are correct, brian/Dean.
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
"We believe that the NIST investigation and the resulting NIST report are valid and credible.” - Mr. Marvin J. Malecha, President, AIA

His show is not necessarily

His show is not necessarily all about 9/11. It is one of many issues covered. So you propose these ideas as hypothesis, then go through the necessary steps as outlined by scientific method.

As for 9/11, well, it is definitely theory, but to the average uninformed american...it's still a hypothesis.

AJ has too much baggage...

Sorry to say that but he has WAY too much baggage. I just saw an AlterNet story today, "Is Glenn Beck Finished?" It states that 36 advertisers have dropped Beck so far... then goes on to chide Beck for some of his flagrant comments and guests, including:

"He's hosted 9/11 truther Alex Jones on his show, and helped fan the bizarre conspiracy theory that FEMA plans to imprison dissidents in internment camps." (This was the second thing mentioned after stuff about calling the president a racist and wishing for another attack by Bin Laden "for the good of the country.)

"He's hosted 9/11 truther

"He's hosted 9/11 truther Alex Jones on his show" err that's bullsh!t, AJ has never been on Glenn Beck's show as far as I know. What's Alex's "baggage" though exactly?

That's what AtlerNet

said in the article, Dem Bruce-- I was quoting them. Here it is: http://www.alternet.org/story/142163/is_glenn_beck_finished/ Is that not the case? Was AJ never on Glenn Beck's show? Maybe AlterNet is lying.

The "baggage" is all the other stuff that AJ promotes such as the FEMA internment camps and his own version of what a New World Order is and will entail. His theories about the global warming hoax and people being deliberately infected with tainted vaccines, etc. And his tendency to hype and exaggerate things about 9/11 itself. It undermines credibility and reflects upon the movement as being immersed in all sorts of fringe ideas.

But there's no denying his important role in building the movement and doing key interviews either. So I'm torn about AJ.

I agree

with Jon and RL. Alex Jones might be correct on some issues, but in my humble opinion, his style will alienate the people we need to reach. I think Jesse should stick with ae911truth, the forensic evidence, and maybe follow the money. He should also give background on the NIST scientists and their connections to nano-thermite technology.
Does anyone know how to reach Jesse and get him in touch with Richard Gage and Prof Jones, and Kevin Ryan? He needs some educating...

Alex Jones hurts or helps 9/11 truth, you decide

Two perspectives on Alex Jones, speaking from someone who has logged too many hours,to months, and longer listening, and I wouldn't say as much of a supporter but observer. Speaking strictly on 9/11. Most people new to 9/11 material will either be swayed by questions posed by the victims families and the anomalies in the physics that further inquiry is needed or be reinforced by their blind trust, the government would never do that, and the counter narrative (propaganda) group think of conspiracy theory.

To this perspective, that government for the most part does things in the interest of the public, except when we know that government officials can and have been hypocrites at least and corrupt at times is the fact that the mainstream public accept, and most do little about to correct. Within this perspective, what Alex Jones says is detrimental to 9/11 truth because not only does he and his operation support the inside job fact, but also this concept of New World Order that seems to take blame away from the military planners of 9/11, but to a loose group that sometimes infights of offshore international extremely powerful that have puppets, e.g. the military was its puppet on 9/11 and did its bidding. Among other things AJ talks about to fill time, food issues, water issues, vaccine issues, weather/climate change issues, but also government organizational control, e.g. CPS, eminent domain/farm licensing issues, e.g. raw milk regulated. He constantly said Bush engineered 9/11. He was against the bailouts and always against the federal reserve. Lately the issues of health care have been that it is a government takeover, that reform is not needed, government should stay out of peoples lives with little dialog to reform that is needed. The list goes on and on. But you can probably make the argument that the main stream public can easily make a guilt by association argument, that although he has guests and views that oppose the official government theory, that the many other issues that make up the various topics from day to day would serve to discredit, i.e. Alex Jones like any alternative media source has a credibility issue, If he were just a mainstream talkshow host, but just questions 9/11, the public would still question his credibility, but all the other issues AJ brings up, the public has even more ammo to raise suspicions on his credibility.

Now before mentioning the other perspective that a segment of the population seem to adhere to, AJ seems to be playing a zero-sum game that leans GOP (pro-2nd amendment, therefore always a lean to GOP, but he'll say Constitution), as he goes after the Democrats just as he did when Bush was in office, but always from a perspective sometimes at a distant from current events mainstream media (and many times rightfully so as mainstream media has been a corporate complicit propaganda media especially on issues related to 9/11 and the drumbeat to the Iraq wars).

The second perspective is that Alex Jones may help indirectly to 9/11 truth in the following way. You may have noticed that many in the mainstream public are unaware of 9/11 truth, but others do know, but have made the individual decision that it is none of their concern. What AJ does is that if 9/11 is not what motivates you to take action, then the door to action may be one of the many other issues that I previously mentioned to 'creating a perspective' outside the box. There are also issues that are meant for different audiences, whether they be police and taser issues, military and engineered war issues (somewhat), and other times what can be considered positive messages of not using drugs (the governments substance), being non-violent and bringing about change in a peaceful (but very vocal) manner. From this perspective, people may be brought into 9/11 truth from a different issue that they had a primary interest in that AJ covers in a breadth manner (not necessarily depth on issues). That shallowness on a single issue and instead what seems to be a seemingly wide thrown net for the largest appeal to various audiences is what individuals point to skeptically.

There's question is what is AJ's true intent, purpose, and beginnings? He has been publicly broadcasting in some way, shape, or form since the early 90's around the Waco Siege incident. Whether his purpose is to fill time and sway individuals (that may even join militias) that a violent solution against the government is not the answer, but peacefully against the almost abstract concept of the NWO could be one answer. Another could be to be skeptical of the government in everything it does, though this also has implications as well. Whether there's a profit component is another question, but given the amount of bandwidth, employees (does his employees have health care?), and other operational cost it would remain to be seen this contributing factor, given the amount of time he puts into his effort.

To the question of influence of the public there are also aspects of his operations that seem to have been innovative, like gonzo marketing, citizen private camera journalism. There is also little doubt that there is a segment of the population that follows (believes) what he says, perhaps with a grain of salt, but makes AJ as an influential figure, how much so is debatable, to what extent do more 9/11 truth supporters help that may not have 100% a single focus on 9/11 and to what extent does it or can be disinfo/misinfo or as some would say, make us look crazy to the general public. Though is there a line of just questioning 9/11 a better appearance (not looking as crazy) than supporting more AJ issues? And at what point can you call it a divide and conqueror to divide the 9/11 movement to those who focus soley on 9/11 and those in AJ camp or big tent theory ?

Lastly, AJ seems to be behind in one way or another behind the Loose Change movie series, and how many individuals first became aware of 9/11 that way and informed others through that movie before Press for Truth, many.

In other words, does AJ

In other words, does AJ Poisoning the Well'?

"The most perfidious way of harming a cause consists of defending it deliberately with faulty arguments."
-- Nietzsche

"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers."
-- Thomas Pynchon, Jr.

"Disinformation, in order to be effective, must be 90% accurate."
-- Peter Dale Scott

edit: Bottom line is that the fruits of his labor seem to encourage positive change, in a way that opposes the false right left paradigm, or duopoly party system, and corruption in general. Between AJ and corporate media, I'd rather watch/listen to AJ far more than 95% of corporate propaganda known that parroted talking points for the run-up to wars and continue to ignore legitimate grievances of the 9/11 truth movement. AJ is willing and has had Kevin Ryan, Richard Gage on more than a few times for actual discussion and dialog, unlike corporate media with smear and hit pieces.

Perhaps if someone stepped up and did a daily mainstream 9/11 truth audio or video then that would be more productive than quarterbacking all of AJ's faults. And many people have contributed quality work, but a daily show requires it in quantity.

Persona Non Grata

And Jesse should have on Gore Vidal, a person one no longer sees on television much because his father wrote the protocols for America's air defense, so Vidal knew from the get go that NORAD stood down on 9/11.

Jesse should have other personalities on that are now persona non grata because they speak their minds.

Dean Jackson/Editor-in-Chief DNotice.org
Washington, DC

A bended knee to AirIsraelRadio....

A few months back I heard David Bender...

[at that time just another radio-plant on AirIsraelRadio which, along with AIPAC, just managed to get Al Franken seated as a senator with 43% of the vote in Minnesota]

... get Gore Vidal to back pedal "on air" regarding any thoughts of conspiracies etc.

This was right after Richard Gage started to get his message out!

BTW...I had no idea that both Gore Vidal and I would end up on ZERO making some of the same basic points about a public servant's responsibility to protect this country. Wild!

Didn't know his father was a player in the original ramp-up of NORAD and the like. Any more info on that?

Anyway, so many things end up being "not so wild" as is the influence of Zionism working inside this country...

So, don't count on Gore Vidal to speak his deep mind about the U.S. Government anymore. Hope he does though...

We still make progress in spite of all the odds against us...

love, peace and progress...

Robin Hordon
Kingston, WA

Alex Jones Indifferent To NORAD Articles

I do know that Alex Jones refuses to cover the articles on NORAD at www.DNotice.org? I've gone into the comment sections at his website and advertised those articles. When I do, my website is inundated with hits, so his audience is interested, but Alex isn't?

Dean Jackson/Editor-in-Chief DNotice.org
Washington, DC

Love it! And AJ's new doc

Love it! And AJ's new doc looks like the best so far, great music used in the trailer!! Much better than the foreboding tones in his past stuff. I think a lot of you guys stressing out over Alex Jones aren’t looking at the positive contributions he's made, he's not perfect but overall in my opinion he's kicked major ass. Vote me down groupies lol!

Can you show me...

One article on either of his sites that promotes NYCCAN?


Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?

Jon, he had Manny Badilla on

Jon, he had Manny Badilla on his show about 3 weeks ago.

I know...

But does he have a banner on his site to nyccan? Does he post ANY of the announcements on his site? Does he give weekly updates, or tell people at the end of his show to support NYCCAN.org? This wouldn't be the first initiative by the 9/11 Truth Movement that Alex hasn't promoted.


Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?

Agreed Jon

I agree totally with Jon. There's something about Alex Jones that doesn't seem quite right.
As I recall in one of his documentaries he visits the Governor of Texas or somebody and he starts yelling at the guy's house, at night, with his blow horn. Ummmm...Alex - aren't you supposed to be a working journalist ? Why don't you arrange an interview with the guy - that type of thing.
And as this interview indicates - he talks about an important subject - and then tries to get the guest to agree to some totally unrelated, unsubstantiated, topic that just flows out of him. IE - he changes the subject - for no reason.
If he's just ignoring this nyccan initiative - concrete action - it shows how superficial he is.

Im amazed

at your use of the term "groupies" LOL

________________________
“The greatest purveyor of violence in the world today -- my own government.” -Martin Luther King, Jr.
http://www.ubuntu.com

Jon

Leave Brittany alone!

________________________
“The greatest purveyor of violence in the world today -- my own government.” -Martin Luther King, Jr.
http://www.ubuntu.com

AE911 &Ventura need to meet up

& be in sync.

Please keep this blog informed on how the outreach goes w/ Jessie.

Agreed.

He says he only reads books when he's in Mexico. Let's hope that the other half of the year he keeps up with 9/11 truth on the internet; if he does, it's impossible for him not to have heard of Richard Gage and ae911truth.org.
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
"We believe that the NIST investigation and the resulting NIST report are valid and credible.” - Mr. Marvin J. Malecha, President, AIA

I understand why some people

I understand why some people have their misgivings about AJ, but so far it seems Jesse is 100% sincere and on the right track. I've supported his common sense approach and philosophy ever since reading his book Do I Stand Alone? in 2002, well before I was a 9/11 activist.

______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
"We believe that the NIST investigation and the resulting NIST report are valid and credible.” - Mr. Marvin J. Malecha, President, AIA

I second that

but we also should stay caraful, as James Fetzer is a good "friend" of him.

It's due to geographical

It's due to geographical proximity that they know each other. Fetzer was a professor at U of M Duluth. He wrote extensively on the JFK conspiracy, and Jesse, during his digging, happened to read Fetzer's JFK work. If I'm not mistaken one of Ventura's kids went to U of M Duluth. As Jesse and Fetz are both in Minnesota, they met and talked JFK. When Jesse taught at Harvard for a semester in 2004, he invited Fetzer as a guest speaker during his second to last class on the subject of the JFK assassination. We don't need to be suspicious of Ventura merely because he's associated with Fetzer in the past. Ventura is too smart to buy into NPT theories and DEW.

______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
"We believe that the NIST investigation and the resulting NIST report are valid and credible.” - Mr. Marvin J. Malecha, President, AIA

Not true, he actually cut

Not true, he actually cut Fetzer loose and denounced him as soon Fetzer attacked Dr Jones and began pushing "no planes/space beams" disinfo.

When did he do this? Is it

When did he do this?

Is it on the record?

______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
"We believe that the NIST investigation and the resulting NIST report are valid and credible.” - Mr. Marvin J. Malecha, President, AIA

Show "My problem with Jones is his" by Louis D. Krauss

That's the biggest stinking

That's the biggest stinking pile of garbage ever typed on this site, he criticises the criminal state of Israel constantly, he just doesn’t use the word "Jewish" enough I suppose for the disinfo operatives, who are probably working out of Tel Aviv ironically. Anyone want to ban this shill yet? Rep, hello?

Delete


Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?

Smear Agents

There are, no doubt, people who post racist bigoted screeds on 9/11 Truth sites with the intent of smearing a site. They have no real interest in 9/11 Truth.

Yeah, ban a dissenting

Yeah, ban a dissenting voice! How on earth is my comment a racist bigoted screed? Show me what you state with verifiable links in regard to my comment, including commenting on the Israel lobby and I'll review my comment.

"Truth Does Not Fear Investigation No Matter Who It Offends"

http://www.geocities.com/louisdkrauss/911.html

I posted a comment...

I wanted deleted... I didn't ask for his bigoted and racist comment to be deleted. I was born of a Jewish mother, so that means I also have a "dual citizenship" with Israel. Don't trust me. I have a dual citizenship.


Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?

Don't trust me either

My bloodline reaches all the way back to the earliest NWO reptilian elites.

You

make it sound like having a dual-citizenship is a bad thing.

________________________
“The greatest purveyor of violence in the world today -- my own government.” -Martin Luther King, Jr.
http://www.ubuntu.com

I have to agree

.........Jeese you need to come up to speed on the events of 9/11. Don't get me wrong. You are a great American.
Make sure you hear the experts on the side of the truth that have a voice on your show.