WE DEMAND TRANSPARANCY
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WE DEMAND TRANSPARANCY
Schedule Guide
Saturday
9/12, 10 AM - 7 PM
Main Hall: Featured Experts on the Real History of 9/11
Parish Hall: Film Series
NYC CAN Rally
Sunday
9/13, 2 PM - 10 PM
Featured Activists and Authors on Economics, Intelligence, and Transparency
Panel: How Can We Build a Mass Movement to End War, and Bring about Real Transparency?
Saturday, Sept. 12, 10 AM - 7 PM
Featured Experts on the Real History of 9/11:
* WELCOME - Producer Sander Hicks, 10 AM
* Steve Alten (NY Times best-selling author, "The Shell Game" and more! ) 10:15 AM
* Thomas B. Sawyer (author, "No Place to Run" 11:00 AM
* Barry Kissin (critic of the FBI anthrax investigation) 11:20 - 12:00
* Kevin Barrett (author, "Truth Jihad Against the 911 Big Lie") 12 Noon - 1:00 PM
1:00 PM : 1/2 Hour Lunch Break
* Barry Zwicker and Ian Woods (Canadian journalists) 1:30-3:00
* Sander Hicks (author, "The Big Wedding", investigative journalist) 3:00 - 3:30
* Richard Gage, AIA (founder Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth) 3:30-4:30
* Erik Lawyer (founder, Firefighters for 911 Truth) 4:30-5:30
* Graeme MacQueen (Canadian peace and truth activist) 5:30-6:00 Presenting the talk: “9/11 Truth: the Challenge to the Peace Movement.”
Saturday Night NYC CAN Rally
9/12, 6-7 PM
* 911 Family Members and NYC CAN's attorney give us an update on NYC CAN’s court battle to get a new investigation for 9/11 on the ballot in November.with:
* Bob McIlvaine - Father of 9/11 Victim Bobby McIlvaine, Member of Executive Council, NYC CAN
* William Pepper, Esq. - Prolific Attorney and Author of "Act of State" Chief Counsel to NYC CAN.
Also on Saturday, 9/12, 12-6 PM, in the Parish Hall: Film Premieres + Director Q&As:
* Jonathan Elinoff (Core of Corruption)
* Daniel Hopsicker (Debuts new film "New American Drug Lords" )
* Craig Ranke (director, screens National Security Alert)
Sunday, Sept. 13, 2 PM - 10 PM
Featured Activists and Authors on Economics, Intelligence, and Transparency
* Robert Steele (former CIA agent, expert on Open Source Intelligence) 2 PM
* Tony Gronowicz (BMCC Professor, Green Party activist and historian, presenting on the Secret History of the Drug War.) 2:45 PM
* Frank Morales, NYC squatter activist presents on “Squatting in the Shrinking City.” 3:30 PM
* Ellen Brown (author, "Web of Debt", feminist scholar, attorney) 4:00 - 5:00 PM on:
The Economic 9/11:
How The 9/15/08 Collapse Of Lehman Brothers Let Wall Street Hijack America
* William Bergman (former Federal Reserve economist) 5:00-5:45 PM
* Eric Nadler, Co-Creators of the film "Anthrax War - Dead Silence" regarding the anthrax cover-up. 5:45 - 6:05
* Russ Baker (author of explosive new book on the Bush family, "Family of Secrets.") 6:05-7:00 PM
7:00 PM Dinner Break until 8 PM
Special Panel, 8-10 PM:
How Can We Build a Mass Movement to End War, and Bring about Real Transparency?
* Debra Sweet (National Coordinator, World Can't Wait)
* Doug Wight and David Slesinger (9/11 Truth Organizers)
* Graeme MacQueen (Canadian professor and peace activist.)
* Representatives from (Catholic Worker/Witness Against Torture)
* FEATURING KEYNOTE SPEECH: BY DAVID SLESINGER
Building the Bridge: How Can We Unite the Peace and Truth Movements?
The Peace, Anti-War and Truth movements are all against empire. We are for what Gandhi called Satyagraha, or "truth-force." What tactics should we use going forward? Slesinger reports based in part on his experiences in July at the National Assembly to stop the war.
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PEACE! I just spoke to
PEACE! I just spoke to Sander this morning via email. he's going to be updating the site soon... I'm going to be attempting to break the Guinness World Record (TM) for Longest Freestyle on the 12th. I've been training to do 48 hours!
I'll be featured in the Parish Hall.
I'll be taking pledges to benefit NYCCAN, ae911truth, and Fealgood Foundation.
I'll have a lot of stuff up about this in the next 3-4 days. DJGREENARROW.COM has details.
Longest Freestyle
Longest Freestyle What? May I ask?
I remember last year on 9/11 the news of events and actions were pouring in so fast it was about impossible to keep up. Let us make this years showing much greater. Let "them" know we are not going away.
A new administration and NOTHING HAS CHANGED!
Rap. Here's my bio, which
Rap. Here's my bio, which has details on what I'll be talking about.
DJ Green Arrow
Biography
DJ Green Arrow is among the humans and especially the Hip Hop activists in the Americas, and has been called " a master of finding different ways to present artistic expression," by best-selling author, MC/Raptivist and lecturer Chuck D (Public Enemy). Green Arrow has unofficially broken the World Record for Rap twice, in both October 2007 and August 2009, when he rapped freestyle for 14 consecutive hours.
Green Arrow is the producer of "T.R.U.E.", a mix CD which redefines the DJ as Composer idea, and is currently working with both Hip Hop and Folk Culture. Joining Public Enemy, Afrika Bambaataa, and NYOIL with the legendary National Treasure Pete Seeger, Green Arrow will fuse these artists' work with that of the Shuar Tribe in the Amazon. The project, tentatively called "Conscience of an Economic Hit Man: An Earl Robinson Creation", is is preproduction. Green Arrow is also the author of the forthcoming "Freestyle to Death", a Book and DVD box set which documents his process in training himself to break the World Record for Rap. He is also working on two unique remakes of Public Enemy's essential "It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold us Back" and "Fear of a Black Planet", and producing the first 9/11 Truth audiobook, David Ray Griffin's "Debunking 9/11 Debunking: An Answer to Popular Mechanics and Other Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory".
DJ Green Arrow will be attempting to officially break the World Record for Rap according to Guinness World Records (TM) at the conference. The record is only 8 Hours and 45 minutes, which Green Arrow is confident he can break. He then plans to continue rapping until he triples his own unofficial record and sextuples the Guinness World Record (TM), rapping for a total of 52 hours on the subjects of race, art, 9/11 Truth, the "Shock Doctrine", and the principles outlined in John Perkins' classic "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man".
UPDATE: The 48 Hour rap has been extended to 52 Hours, and has been rescheduled to 10/10/10 in New York City. I will be attempting a total of 10 hours and 40 minutes at "We Demand Transparency!"
Misinformation et al
>>* Craig Ranke (director, screens National Security Alert)
It's too bad this conference is giving a voice to the "flyover" theory at the Pentagon, a claim which even people who think everything was faked do not support. So unfortunately, this is advocating misinformation directly to the public on the 8th Anniversary.
People in NYC who come to see some films will be told that the cabbie in DC whose cab was hit by a lamp post was "in on" the attack on the Pentagon, a claim based entirely on speculation about broad statements like "this is bigger than me". I wonder what NYC residents who attend this will think of the "truthers" after that.
Recommended reading:
Peter Dale Scott Does Not Endorse the Pentagon Flyover Theory (and Neither Do I), by Erik Larson
CIT, Craig Ranke, Aldo Marquis, and the PentaCon Flyover Theory: Origin, Debate, and the ‘Smoking-Gun' Anti-Controversy by Arabesque
To Con a Movement
Google Earth Exposes Pentagon Flyover Farce
ERROR: 'The Jetliner that Appeared to Crash into the Pentagon Actually Flew Over It'
>>* Kevin Barrett (author, "Truth Jihad Against the 911 Big Lie") 12 Noon - 1:00 PM
Interestingly, on a recent blog entry, Barrett described those who critique CIT as "cyber-stalkers" and "wreckers". He even linked to blogger for it. Here's what he now has posted on his website:
Craig, Aldo and CIT have been targeted by the same wrecking crew of cyber-stalkers who (individually and/or collectively) have tormented me, William Rodriguez, Rob Balsamo, Carol Brouillet, Webster Tarpley, Sofia, Dr. Steven Jones, Ellen Mariani, and other competent and accomplished voices of 9/11 truth. Stay tuned to this blog for a detailed discussion of cyber-stalking, the bane of the 9/11 truth movement. (I will be naming names...at least when the culprits have real names, rather than absurd pseudonyms like "Arabesque" and "Col. Sparks"!) Now the same cyber-stalkers are harassing Peter Dale Scott and myself, and presumably also David Ray Griffin and Richard Gage, because we have publicly endorsed the hard investigative work, if not necessarily all of the conclusions, of CIT. Through extremely hard work and exacting research, CIT has made a strong case that the large aircraft that witnesses assumed struck the Pentagon on 9/11 flew over the building rather than hitting it. By establishing a flight path on the north side of the Citgo station, CIT has shown that evidence supporting the official story's flight path to the south of the Citgo station--including downed lightpoles and the ridiculous C-ring hole--was probably manufactured. There would have been no need to manufacture this evidence if a large plane actually hit the building. The wreckers are so desperate to support the government's version of Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon that they have been sending insulting emails to Peter Dale Scott!
http://truthjihad.blogspot.com/2009/08/good-news-911-truth-message-blank...
Recommended reading:
"Kevin Barrett is a prominent 9/11 activist. While he has significantly contributed awareness for the 9/11 truth movement, he has also damaged its credibility with damaging associations, discrediting theories, and controversial statements."
http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2008/03/kevin-barrett.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Barrett
Of Noam Chomsky Barrett wrote:
"If he convinces even one person to do something other than work for 9/11 truth, he may as well have personally murdered all 6 billion people on earth."
Of Amy Goodman, Barrett wrote:
"Amy, you will one day find yourself on the scaffold, condemned to hang alongside the other Goebbels-style traitors and mass-murder-coverup-conspirators from the corporate media you pretend to criticize...."
Every dog has fleas...
Every dog has fleas- Just don't let them drive the beast crazy.
When I read the schedule I saw these people:
*Barry Zwicker and Ian Woods (Canadian journalists) 1:30-3:00
* Sander Hicks (author, "The Big Wedding", investigative journalist) 3:00 - 3:30
* Richard Gage, AIA (founder Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth) 3:30-4:30
* Erik Lawyer (founder, Firefighters for 911 Truth) 4:30-5:30
* Graeme MacQueen (Canadian peace and truth activist) 5:30-6:00 Presenting the talk: “9/11 Truth: the Challenge to the Peace Movement.”
* 911 Family Members and NYC CAN's attorney give us an update on NYC CAN’s court battle to get a new investigation for 9/11 on the ballot in November.with:
* Bob McIlvaine - Father of 9/11 Victim Bobby McIlvaine, Member of Executive Council, NYC CAN
* William Pepper, Esq. - Prolific Attorney and Author of "Act of State" Chief Counsel to NYC CAN.
* Jonathan Elinoff (Core of Corruption)
* Daniel Hopsicker (Debuts new film "New American Drug Lords" )
* Robert Steele (former CIA agent, expert on Open Source Intelligence) 2 PM
* Eric Nadler, Co-Creators of the film "Anthrax War - Dead Silence" regarding the anthrax cover-up. 5:45 -
* Russ Baker (author of explosive new book on the Bush family, "Family of Secrets.") 6:05-7:00 PM
* FEATURING KEYNOTE SPEECH: BY DAVID SLESINGER
The presence of Kevin Barrett and CIT ...
... at this event is disappointing to say the least. Sander Hicks should know better. The statement of Barrett's above about "cyber-stalkers" is dishonest. How much longer will the Movement tolerate this man lying? For him to share a stage with Bob McIlvaine is a travesty. If you choose to support this event, go to support Bob, the family members and some of the other guests who are hard-working activists. If you go to see Barrett and Ranke, "truth squad" their butts and call them out on their dishonest behavior and let them know that it is not just people like Arabesque that will stand up to their tricks, but there are many of us that will not let them turn the 9/11 Truth Movement into a laughing stock for all of history. We will not let you, despite the poor judgment of this event's organizers.
that splinter in the eye comes back
I use a disclaimer on every page of the ezine that i publish that states: 'The views expressed herein are the writers' own and not necessarily those of Flyby News.' The same is true of producing any large event. It is wrong to place guilt onto a person due to associations, especially of someone like Professor Kevin Barrett, who produces media programs to help us gain insight on many points of view. However, to attack a truther like kevin is simply an injustice, and smallness of perception of his whole body of work. Sure, I don't agree with the purported statement he made regarding Amy Goodman, which uses extreme comments to make a point of left gatekeepers. But kevin has been a champion of supporting many of the truth leaders, researchers, media people, and has engaged discussions with those he may not be in complete agreement with.. that is the job of a media personality..
our worst critics are those who claim to be truthers and are so sensitive to being 'politically correct' - This then ignores areas where we agree.. which is much greater in significance than where we may have a few points of disagreement. What we most all support are for new official investigations, and exposure of the cover-up.. the evidence can prove the truth of what we can prove.. we don't have to prove every point.. but enough to overcome the masquerade by the mainstream media and government betrayers.. kevin and this conference.. are working with us.. some of this above criticism.. and focus.. are on points only harmful to what is true.. and the unity we must pursue for the healing in our world..
jonathan
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Rolf Lindgren...
His antics were deplorable. I was friends with Kevin at one time, and probably his biggest supporter as well. I even used to defend him. Things didn't get as they are for no reason. Credibility is EVERYTHING to this cause. The way we act, the information we promote, the initiatives we undertake, etc... no one is perfect, but everyone should try their very best to be when promoting 9/11 Truth. Some people don't seem to understand that.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
Everyone, please read Jon's post above this.
He USED to support Barrett. He USED to defend him. That seemed like the right thing to do at the time.
BUT...He didn't stop paying attention to Barrett's behavior. People change. Just because I did something good at one point doesn't mean I'm incapable of doing something bad.
We should be forgiven for our mistakes. But too many of the same mistakes equals a pattern. And Barrett has now established a pattern of supporting things this movement must do without.
We have to be willing to change our mind about people, even if it hurts.
After what I saw yesterday...
The thought that I was once friends with this man, or defended him makes me sick to my stomach.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
At the end of the day I think
Kevin Barrett has done more for 911 Truth then Goodman and Chomsky put together. Not that hard to accomplish eh. I have great respect for Jon Gold but I am not sure credibility is everything that matters here. What credibility does Chomsky and Goodman put forth in the flat denials and worse that they maintain. Lots of people trust them including friends of mine who will not even discuss 911 because Amy and Noam deny coverage of the topic. (or worse say things like "it doesn't matter") The only real truth is that we don't know the truth and that's why we need a real investigation. However, the truth is many people who know the official story is nonsense (like Goodman and Chomsky and our members of Congress etc) are AFRAID to say so. What they are afraid of we can only speculate but the illusion of a republic is maintained at all cost. Right or wrong my first entry into the matrix was a direct result of Kevin Barrett's comments and I would trust him over most of our elected members of Congress given the choice. It is unfortunate that we can't find a way to work together. I know that the big tent is closed and I appreciate the wisdom of that contention, but I do feel anyone who legitimately puts their neck out for the cause of 911 truth deserves some respect.
I disagree
"I know that the big tent is closed and I appreciate the wisdom of that contention, but I do feel anyone who legitimately puts their neck out for the cause of 911 truth deserves some respect."
That seems reasonable. But it's not savvy. Do you mind not knowing something. I hope not, as learning is the whole point of this movement.
To assert that we should trust or respect someone just because they go to bat for us is the kind of attitude that makes this movement so susceptible to infiltration and bad judgment. If you really spent some time and looked into it, for instance in this location: http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1887 you would see that Barrett actually does more harm than good.
He is one of the biggest supporters of the false notion that a big tent is good for this movement. So if you really do appreciate the 'wisdom' of keeping the crap out, he's not on your side.
You might be kind and assume that the smart and committed people here suggesting that would not be wasting time on it for no reason. Do you really think I want to spend time even thinking about Barrett. No. I do it because I REALLY think that the movement is better off without him. I very strongly believe that, and with a whole bunch of solid reasons.
I appreciate your perspective, What'sgood for the Goose.
In his famous American University speech of June 1963, John F. Kennedy famously said, “And we are all mortal.” I would add, “And we are all fallible.” For this reason I would ask everyone in the 9/11 truth movement to focus their energies on the substance of what happened on 9/11, and not discredit the truth movement by wanton attacks on each other.
Sincerely,
Peter Dale Scott
I don't think anyone can say that Barrett has infiltrated the movement he seems to have been there at the start. Bad judgment is part of being mortal. I would prefer that the movement stick to what is beyond question. Where is the video footage from the Pentagon and why can't we see it and how in the world does our national defense command center get hit (by a hijacked airliner?)in the first place. As far as Goodman and Chomsky are concerned they get off lightly on this for the most part, as if 911 truth just doesn't rank in their worldwide priorities. Barrett's comments are out of line, but I defend his right to comment and at least he is addressing the issue. Sorry to waste everyone's time on this, I already knew how you all felt. I just needed to express myself and we all have our own principals to follow. (or not)
We already have a big tent,
but we learned pretty fast that it makes no sense to let people in who cut the cables, kick the poles out or even try to light the canvas on fire, just because they can.
Any search for truth has to adhere to the scientific method and/or basic logic or it will go astray.
Any political movement has to promote civility while admitting mistakes and critiquing itself or it will be hijacked by egoists and self-destruct..
Credibility is very important and it doesn't take much to severely damage it, especially to the less discerning people in the general public.
We constantly critique the msm, politicians, certain academics and government reports because they are not credible. Everything we do and say in public should be rock solid and air tight. Speculate in private, amongst ourselves, and please keep the violent condemnations under your breath, if at all.
Those who show a consistent pattern of poor judgment should not be given places of prominence in the movement, this is something that has to be earned every day.
[end of sermon]
We are all in this together, brothers and sisters, we can only beat ourselves.
The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.
Amen,
I have always appreciated your insights, comments and style LeftWright. "We are all in this together, brothers and sisters, we can only beat ourselves. " How true that is..........Let's keep the faith
Just wrong
Everything you say above supports the big tent. I've heard it all before. The logic is severely flawed, even as it sounds reasonable and will be convincing to many.
You are the one being PC. There is nothing PC about putting your principles before your associations. I'm one of the least PC people in this movement based on my commitment to the basic principle of truth and my willingness to forgo popularity to be honest. You don't seem even willing to admit there is a problem. One disclaimer, and everything is fine. Now that's PC.
I'm not trying to reason with you. I don't trust your judgment or ability to change. You seem to me to be another person caught up in misinformation and loyalties that betray the core priorities of this movement. I'm sure you mean well. But my point is that meaning well and doing the right thing are not the same.
Let's return from the deflection into KB land - back to V's pt
>> Craig Ranke (director, screens National Security Alert)
Supports no boeing hitting the Pentagon. Spends little time on any non-contentious aspects of 9/11 Research like "NOTHING should have hit the Pentagon." CIT/Pentacon/Pilots911t never explain what happened to Flight 77 except to put forth a ludicrous fly-over theory that has absolutely no witnesses despite occurring over a highly populated area. Not to mention CIT's atrocious behavior to truth activists including publishing a black list with photos and derogatory comments.
And if this steams you as much as it does me how 'bout a little help here:
http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2009/08/21/official-version-or-cover-...
This obsession some people
This obsession some people have with trying to steer people away from CIT's work is bizarre to say the least.
And you're wrong, funhouse. Roosevelt Roberts did indeed see a "commercial aircraft" flying away from the Pentagon "ten seconds tops" after the explosion in the building. He was outside within ten seconds and facing the south parking lot.
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"We believe that the NIST investigation and the resulting NIST report are valid and credible.” - Mr. Marvin J. Malecha, President, AIA
100 to 1
About 100 people reported seeing the plane approach and only 1 says he saw a plane flying away. The explosion would turn every head within earshot. If the plane flew over the Pentagon, there would be more than 100 witnesses reporting it.
CIT's assertion that the north flight path proves flyover is ridiculous. They glibly state it as a fact with NO logical reason or evidence to back it up. Numerous witnesses, including the ones in their video, saw the plane come in low and descending as it headed for the Pentagon. To believe flyover, you must hand wave all the witnesses who saw the plane hit the Pentagon.
Flyover is so bizarre that it must be labeled for what it is, disinformation.
I was in DC
When we confronted politicians back in June, on our way to the capital building we passed the Pentagon. It was quite difficult to see, and the side that was hit was facing away from us. A plane coming toward us might have caught our attention if we were looking at it. How many people were looking at the Pentagon that early in the morning, especially when you could be watching the Twin Towers on television instead? More than likely the 'flyover' plane flew over just before the explosion.
Distraction and deception, like a magician on stage.
More than 100 witnesses? Talk about making outlandish claims to hurt the truth movement. Could you please give us the names of these 100+?
With you in the struggle,
Bruno
WeAreChangeLA - http://www.wacla.org
If anyone thinks...
It's easy to stick to one's principles, and not go to support Bob, or NYCCAN, they would be sorely mistaken.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
Principle before association
I'm preaching about that all the time, but I really don't think most people in the movement understand what I'm getting at. The truth is more important than the participation of any one person, celebrity, activist, or organization. As soon as they promote fallacy, they don't have the same goals as the movement. And there are a LOT of people promoting fallacy in this movement. And I don't consider them truth activists.
The dilemma you express above is exactly my point. No, it is not easy to stick to your principles. But the movement is more important that what feels good to any one of us in the moment.
We HAVE to keep our eye on the ball.
NYC CAN + Catholic Bishop?
Why does NYC CAN say that there will be a Catholic Bishop on the Commission? What is that all about?
With you in the struggle,
Bruno
WeAreChangeLA - http://www.wacla.org
read the petition
The petition says the commission will include "Thomas Gumbleton (Roman Catholic
Bishop)"
Looking forward to attending
-from Philadelphia
I prefer...
This line of thinking.
Edit: Barrett shouldn't be anywhere near a 9/11 Truth event. Guess what Sander? He DID say "toasting 6 million Jews." The accusation wasn't "invented" by ANYONE.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
There is some radar data that may support a flyover...and
...a flyover would be seen by folks on the non-explosion east-northeast side of the Pentagon...and NOT be able to be seen by many of those on the west side who saw it approach...and...National was landing and departing to the north on 9/11/2001...and north departures from National Airport are ALWAYS in that airspace [albeit much higher]...
The point being that seeing a northbound low but climbing airliner east of the Pentagon while NOT seeing or understanding the explosion on the west side of the Pentagon, may not be much of a "noticable" event to those in the best position to have been able to see anything overfly. Traveling on the highways between the Pentagon and the Potomac in both the early morning vehicle rush hour and the early morning aviation rush hour for National departures...is nothing of note for the vehicle passengers. Airliners are ALWAYS overhead!
However, I do NOT have enough information yet about a flyover to fully accept this scenario.
Likewise, I do NOT have enough information about a Boeing hitting the Pentagon to fully accept that scenario either.
And I will NOT dismiss any eyewitnesses to events, only to try to understand and learn from them.
I DO respect the work that Barbara Honegger has done which, if true as it seems to be, has the first explosion happening at 09:30 or 09:32...some 4-7 minutes before the airvehicle arrived at the Pentagon...IF one accepts the third version of the eventual? arrival time...
This is credible evidence and it cannot be thrown away. Conversely, it should make everyone do some rethinking of their version of the events regarding AA77? and at the Pentagon...starting now.
I DO know that there is a vast amount more to be discovered about AA77?, Chic Burlingame and The Pentagon explosions.
FYI...I have just submitted an Affidavit that I filed with William Veale the attorney for April Gallop and in this lengthy document there are many much fuller and more detailed analysis of what I just noted above...and more.
Sadly, 9/11blogger has been censoring me for about six months because I refuse to ignore the role that the Mossad and Israel may have played in the events on 9/11/2001. Since 911blogger recently took off their censorship of my comments to other's posts on 911blogger, perhaps they will be wise enough to front page my Affidavit in support of Gallop. Or, perhaps this comment will never make it through...we will see.
I suspect and hope that the Affidavit may help broaden the research and understanding of the entire AA77?-Pentagon scenario. If 911blogger lets it fly, some new and not so far fetched stuff will hit the 9/11TM.
I wonder WHO it is on 911blogger that has the wisdom to censor a fellow who...has inside info...is the only air traffic controller who is speaking out about 9/11 [which I wish weren't so]...is in several books about 9/11 truth...is on a video with Gore Vidal seen by millions of people all around the world making a few cogent points about how our air defense system, and those who run it, are each supposed to behave...and a fellow who still performs CI...Civil Informationing supporting 9/11 TRUTH for World PEACE between one and three times per week by himself all around the Puget Sound...and elsewhere...
HMMMM? An interesting question aye? Who ARE these wunderkind?
The only thing that we KNOW about what happened at the Pentagon is that we DON'T KNOW what happened at the Pentagon...nor do we know many, many other specifics about what I now call: "The 9/11 Attacks War Game Scenario". Compartmentalization has its benefits when someone wants to hide something...
But...we are making very steady and irreversable progress every day...
Love, Peace and Progress...with...
PUBLICALLY FUNDED ELECTIONS using HAND COUNTED PAPER BALLOTS on a NEW PAID FEDERAL VOTING HOLIDAY...
...as we collectivize to throw the criminal politicians out of office and seek justice...
Robin Hordon
Kingston, WA
PS: This is my real name.
I love these words from you
I love these words from you Robin. Very well said on all points. Thank you for all you do.
I love the CIT video National Security Alert. It's clear that Flight 77 never made it near the Pentagon. The plane that flew over the Pentagon, on a trajectory just north of the gas station was not a commercial airliner. It's refreshing to see citizens investigating for themselves, and doing a darn good job at it. I highly recommend watching National Security Alert.
As far as NYC this September 11th, I will be at every WeAreChange event, and loving it.
With you in the struggle,
Bruno
WeAreChangeLA - http://www.wacla.org
That's nice
I think it's garbage.
Also I recommend this event in NYC instead:
http://www.911blogger.com/node/21020
The Eleventh Day of Every Month
We hear that sometimes
When we are out there telling people that 9-11 was an inside job, sometimes we hear "I think it's garbage" or "retards" or "you are insane".
Maybe those who post on this website should try to rise above that kind of discourse.
With you in the struggle,
Bruno
WeAreChangeLA - http://www.wacla.org
It's funny though
How CIT followers never have a problem with CIT's behavior or level of discourse - lying, accusing people of being agents, accusing 9/11 survivors of being "in on it", keeping enemies lists, etc - but when someone calls that garbage for what it is - then it's a big problem! Cute.
The Eleventh Day of Every Month
That's an excellent point...
Cosmos.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
I haven't heard anything about that + 'follower' ?
Could you elaborate?
Plus, I don't have to be a 'follower' to like someone's presentation. Some people might live for 'followers' but that is not my impression of the CIT team. I see passion for getting to the truth, which is commendable.
What is 'garbage' about CIT again?
With you in the struggle,
Bruno
WeAreChangeLA - http://www.wacla.org
hmm
Do you think that might be a result of some of the conclusions that you may be promoting?
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Conclusions that I am 'promoting'?
What is going on here? 'Promoting'?
I looked at the evidence and it's scientifically convincing. Many witnesses see a plane on a completely different approach to the Pentagon from what the official story says. We all know that a large plane did not hit the Pentagon because there is absolutely zero evidence to support that claim.
Okay, so we have a large plane flying toward the Pentagon. The plane did not hit the Pentagon. Where did it go? A scientific conclusion based on the laws of physics tells us that the plane flew over the Pentagon.
This is scientific.
Peace,
Bruno
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Go to Op Ed
There is a discussion on this issue at Op Ed where people actually go into the details rather than using one word attacks.
http://www.opednews.com/populum/page.php?a=96234&show=votes#allcomments
Peace,
Bruno
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I dont agree
And its as simple as that. If I walk up to someone and tell them that some witnesses said some things that prove the plane flew over the Pentagon and that all of the physical evidence was faked and planted, I will lose another convert to the cause. I've seen it happen.
I dont believe science supports the flyover theory, but that's just me. I think its bullshit. And I think its irresponsible to promote the flyover theory as fact when there's so much more worthwhile information out there. I dont intend on getting into another long, drawn out, energy wasting debate on what happened at the Pentagon, but I would ask that people employ better marketing strategies for 9/11 truth in their communities.
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Great posts Robin and
Great posts Robin and bb.
One thing to remember about the Pentagon is that people who were eyewitnesses didn't have the hindsight we do now. People overlook this fact. Especially after planes had hit the WTC in New York and even before the WTC came down, a plane approaches the Pentagon and then there's a huge fireball. With no hindsight, what are people going to think even if they do see a plane flying away after the explosion? "Oh, I get it! That's the plane they're going to fool us into thinking crashed into the Pentagon when in reality it's flying away!" Come on, people!
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Robin - why not be honest?
Sadly, 9/11blogger has been censoring me for about six months because I refuse to ignore the role that the Mossad and Israel may have played in the events on 9/11/2001.
That's blatantly untrue. You were put on moderation because you attacked Reprehensor. You can read all about it in the comments of this blog:
http://911blogger.com/node/17469
The Eleventh Day of Every Month
Because the people that ran 911Blogger.com...
Didn't want "Mini-Nukes, Space Beams (Exotic Weaponry), the Holocaust (with regards to WWII) didn't happen, the moon landing didn't happen, pods, holograms, TV Fakery, the Jews did it, CGI, cartoons, etc..." being posted about on this 9/11 TRUTH site, and for GOOD reason. I was ALSO moderated for months because I have a tendency to speak my mind.
And it's not "censorship." It's called being responsible.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
And I stand by that...
He was trying to paint me as a racist/crusader who wants to see all Muslims killed by the American Empire for the 9/11 attacks. That "argument" has been used against me too many times to count, and yet these individuals never acknowledge the fact that I have posted about Israel more than most people. That person couldn't answer me why David Ray Griffin gets a free pass for not promoting (check Fact #50, the who benefitted fact) any possible Israeli involvement in 9/11, and I get attacked even though I do (what are the three countries I mention?). Do you know why that is? Does anybody? People should listen to Dr. Michael Parenti explain why researching the alleged patsies is IMPORTANT.
No, I am no longer moderated.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
I see a big event posted here
with a lot of worthwhile people to meet.
Let's grow up.
I'm...
Not the one you should be talking to, and I'd still love an answer to the above question. The people who are desperate to "frame Zionists" lie, and say that I avoid Israel's possible involvement in the 9/11 attacks. If I didn't know any better, I would think that my religion may have something to do with it. So, I think an answer to that question is important.
Edit: Does everyone remember when Kevin had these people on his show so they could talk about things like...
"Meanwhile those who promote the ridiculous LIHOP "blame Pakistan" and "blame the Saudis" Islamophobic hang-outs have been endlessly promoted at [Reprehenser]'s new version of 911blogger; evidence implicating Israel and Zionists is off-limits; and people like Elias Davidsson, the son of Nazi holocaust survivors who proves there were no Muslim hijackers, and Jay Kolar, whose work supports Davidsson, are downplayed or ignored...while Muslim account-holders and those who share their perspectives are expelled. It is as if [Reprehenser] and company are desperately trying to save the "blame the Muslims" core of the 9/11 psy-op, even after the official story has unraveled."
I do.
Edit: I'd like to know how blaming an entire ideology (Zionism, and one I DO NOT agree with) for 9/11 is different than blaming all Muslims (something I DO NOT do) for 9/11. Is there a difference? This is why I prefer this line of thinking. It's less crusadish, and helps against those who try to say we are "anti-semitic." For those who care about things like our credibility.
Edit: Barrett shouldn't be anywhere near a 9/11 Truth event. Guess what Sander? He DID say "toasting 6 million Jews." The accusation wasn't "invented" by ANYONE.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
If you were posting lies...
About someone, like that individual was, then you should be banned. Responding to someone telling lies, like I did, in the way that I did, indicates that maybe, just maybe, I don't like being lied about.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
Interested
'Since 911blogger recently took off their censorship of my comments to other's posts on 911blogger, perhaps they will be wise enough to front page my Affidavit in support of Gallop. Or, perhaps this comment will never make it through...we will see.'
I, for one, would be curious to see this affidavit.