And note his reference to the 9/11 aircraft attacks to support his position - possibly the strongest aspect of the official myth.
This aspect of the official myth has relied entirely upon the public's virtual unanimous ignorance of the concept of precise GPS guided aircraft auto-pilot control to accomplish the aircraft attacks.
The official story is a mostly unproven allegation.
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The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it
Watch how he manages to keep a straight face until a caller, who identifies himself as having 30 years in the military, mentions Able Danger. Just watch that smirk (at 4:59). Someone should tell him that just because you string words together it doesn't automatically make a meaningful sentence. I don't mean to be mean, but he really does look like the typical villain from any spy-thriller flick.
No need for qualification. He looks like a cross between Gollum and Skelator. And his black heart is just as ugly. This man is one of many who will stand trial for the 911 coverup.
"Today, America would be outraged if UN troops entered Los Angeles to restore order {referring to the 1991 LA Riot}. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there were an outside threat... whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the world government."
--Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberg Conference, Evian, France, 1991
So "whether real or promulgated" huh? Evil that makes people willingly relinquish their rights!
Remember that Kissinger was the first choice to be Executive Director of the 9/11 Commission. I'm not sure if DHS is connected to this scheme, but it should be viewed with great suspicion.
Kissinger attended the US Open. Elites are fond of tennis. Sports in general. So am I. I remember a clip shown a few years ago where Poppy Bush waltzed into Agassi's dressing room to congratulate him on a victory. Agassi (rightly) looked like he was being visited by the Grim Reaper. It was disturbingly funny. My mother likes watching golf. I hate the sport. I agree with George Carlin that golf courses should be turned into public housing grounds for the homeless. I saw a bit recently where Poppy Bush, during a golf tournament, spoke of Americans and their loss of "values". What values he was describing I'm not sure. Presumably: infidelity, ignorance and sloth, as opposed to drug pushing and mass murder.
You gotta love "elites". Poppy Bush and Kissinger feel they have the right to attend public events like the US Open. They have no shame. They have no fear of being lynched. In a sane world, these people would be wearing straight jackets, not formulating public policy.
When the archeologists dig us up ten thousand years from now, assuming the human race survives, they will say the following: what the fuck were they thinking?
George Carlin was one of those that seemed to have a fairly good grasp on how the world runs - he was right about golf, too...
"Dorko in the plaid knickers is going to hit it again, and walk some more. Let these rich cocksuckers play miniature golf. Let 'em fuck with a windmaill for an hour and a half or so, see if there's really any SKILL amongst these people." - George C.
The love that you withhold is the pain that you carry
This cretin is a walking deception. His responses wriggle off the point like worms. His contempt for the callers and by extension for us is palpable. This "Holocaust Deniers" bullshit seriously pisses me off.
"The line between military and criminality has been eliminated" (rough quotation)- how right you are Mr. Chertoff. Just scrap our Constitution and everything will be fine.
The irony of conflating holocaust deniers with 9/11 Truthers never fails to bewilder and astonish me.
There was an incredible degree of denial by ordinary citizens as well as Allied authorities and there was a criminal and conscious cover up by Nazi authorities and German media during WW2.
Today there is an incredible degree of denial by ordinary citizens as well as all government authorities, and there is criminal and conscious cover up by certain elements of American government and media.
Don't allow THEM that argument..
I couldn't have said it better.........and I'm bewildered, too. I write it off to an extreme minimum of people who would dare make the accusation and think they can get away with it, and only when (they feel) they have their backs against the wall.
The reader will have understood the message: what this well-documented and fearless book explodes is the myth of a unique Jewish people, miraculously preserved, in contrast to all the other peoples, from external contamination … [Sand’s] conclusions, which are prudently formulated, nonetheless lead one towards a sole solution: the construction of a secular and democratic Israel. (Jacques Julliard - Le Nouvel Observateur )
I first became truly cognizant of a conspiracy watching the 2003 AIPAC convention on C-Span just prior to the Iraq invasion. Something about John McCain hugging Hillary Clinton during that bizarre blood festival preceding the wholesale slaughter labeled "Iraqi Freedom", piqued my curiosity. Chertoff still seems to exude quite a bit of bravado, although he belongs in irons.
Brian Lamb has been quite a friend to 9-11 truth, I think he may have let the callers run a bit more than this Peter guy.
From what I understand, Chertoff is a duel citizen between the USofA and Israel.
It should be clear how Zionism will respond to our efforts to spread the Truth about 9/11...and all sorts of other troubling stuff too...
Anyway, their most effective two weapons against the TRUTH...in almost all areas...is to call someone an antisemite if at all possible...and of course, regarding our mission, to associate the 9/11TM with "Holocaust Deniers".
Its ALL part of their simple, observable and predictable plan.
What's good about the repeated phone calls regarding 9/11 Truth is that it shows we are still going hard at it...and will not go away...and...
...more and more people will discover the "rights eliminating scam" that are the Homeland Security quagmire and the Patriot Act...and...
When people just get a "read" on sleezeballs like this tool, citizen's will always have doubts about these characters.
I'd LOVE to have Henry the "K" respond to all of our 9/11 Truth questions every day!...talk about momentum building our way...
I think that eventually all the: "your an antisemite", and the: "you are a Holocaust Denier" attacks against us and others will expose the truths behind their actions...will become antiproductive for them...and will be a major benefit for us.
The more the Zionists communicate, the more they are exposed.
And that's a really, really good thing to happen for world peace...and 9/11 Truth.
So, lets just keep civil...lets just keep factual...lets make sure that we keep accessible to the average citizen.
They will eventually sort out 9/11, war and peace, Israel and Zionism along with alotta other stuff...
Showing that Chertoff has a dual citizenship with Israel, or a mailing address in Israel that belongs to Chertoff, or are you basing that on the "right of return?"
If you are, then that would mean that I also have a "dual citizenship" with Israel even though I have no mailing address there, or no documentation to substantiate that claim.
Edit: Are you going to answer this question Robin, or are you going to continue to push bs?
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
Would be if Britannica used Bollyn as a source. Or worse, simply went on the rumors. That would be a facepalm moment. I'm considering contacting Britannica to find out. It's something I think Chertoff would like to hide, considering possible conflicts of interest in the past. If one asked Israel directly, they'd probably deny it.
That people are voting me down because I question a statement with no source. You know... trying to be responsible, and credible doesn't sit well with some people. If it's a statement against those nasty Zionists (Jews), it must be true because "we know."
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
I tend to take the voting system with a grain of salt. Now and then it says more about people's preconceptions than about the quality of the comment. Sometimes I think I've brought up a great point, but I see no reactions except downvoting. It's a gauge, but of what exactly, I'm not sure. Reactions are much more useful. 911blogger isn't a forum, and sometimes I question the wisdom of engaging in long discussions here. A forum format may be better.
I agree that meticulousness and scrupulousness isn't always rewarded as it should. A real bad outcome would be if people let their thoughts be dictated by the tyranny of the majority, as is the case with the Wikipedia model. It's not a particularly good model for fact finding and truth seeking. Think independently is my creed.
By the way, I assume this means you haven't found anything about Chertoff's 'dual citizenship' in your own archive? After all, it's our own free Lexis-Nexis.
Of "dual citizenship" before regarding a multitude of people (because supposedly even George Tenet has a dual citizenship based on some people's lists), and I have found nothing to substantiate that claim. Myself, and others have looked into it, and have gotten the same results. The "Law of Return" or "Right of Return" is what most people who make that argument cite, and that is a bs argument. Essentially that says that if you are Jewish, then you have a "dual citizenship" with Israel. Sorry, but I'm Jewish, and I've never been there, have no intention of going there, and certainly don't have a mailing address there. "We know..." my ass.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
Who was the first one in this theme? Bollyn!: http://www.bollyn.com/911#article_10467
(BTW: In his update he claims that his article was the reason Prof. Jones started his 9/11 research, even with a photo op. As far as I know that's not the truth. I doubt it.)
Think of Eric Hufschmid. Where does he get his ressources from?
and the first time he ever heard of 9/11 sceptics was from Linda Peters, he mentioned it in one of his powerpoints. "Hat tip to Linda Peters"
She mentioned it during her speech: If you think the WTC towers came down by fire alone you'll have a lot to learn ( I'm paraphrasing.)
Jonathan Gold Thank you for your suggestion. Having extensively researched the matter, our editors have deleted the sentence concerning dual citizenship. We appreciate your readership and assistance in keeping Britannica the world's authority since 1768. -Britannica Editors
And there you go. It still has it up, but Jon Gold was right, and Christopher Bollyn, and Robin Hordon were wrong. For those who are more interested in fiction than facts, vote this down.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
Chertoff and the interviewer are so transparent, very few people could miss it.
Only Chertoff, alleging that he "missed" Rumsfeld's news about the "missing" trillions might "miss" the fact that nobody watching "missed" his baloney!!
Man, one right after another after another. BAM...BAM...BAM.
He's plays a cool character, but I think he was rattled.
Beautiful!
We all need to get onto those call-in lines, stat, and keep it up!!!!
I think that whenever we make any public statements, we all need to have absolute calm and confidence in our manner. We also need to be MORE articvulate than others. Just like the African Americans in days past, they were assumed "less than" before they opened their mouths, unfortunately. If they happened to be ordinary, and often lacking in great communication skills, theirs is a double plight of trying to sound credible. Ours is too. We have to be ABOVE the common, because too many already assume the worst before we even speak. Anyone speaking inarticulately will DAMAGE the truth movement's great momentum. Be comfortable if you are going to call in. Be unshakable. Be prepared. State what you and others already know, before asking any questions, which you know will be met with a subtle and disparaging attitude. So, it is more about making clear statements than about asking questions, but I guess you have to appear to be asking a question.
To be honest, I was embarrassed by a couple of those call ins.
The most severe form of learning disorders are owned by those that "already know everything."
"Anyone speaking inarticulately will DAMAGE the truth movement's great momentum."
Unfortunately we can't control who represents or speaks for the Truth Movement.
For every Ricard or Steven or Abby or Dylan or Aidan or Jon, there are 10 paranoid crazy people who push outrageous theories and discredit the ones who lead with common sense and solid evidence and facts.
Since we can't silence them we have to support the ones who represent us well.
The cream tends to rise to the top as with MLK, Ghandi etc.
As mentioned earlier, he's a pro, he's attended the media training sessions, he's doing his best...but he's not fooling us!
Watch those eyes blinking away, blinking almost constantly! He has learned not to divert his eyes (not easy to do), he just stares straight into the camera, "calmly", as people formulate their intelligent questions. Except the uncontrollable blinking reveals he's trying very hard not to lose it! That smirk is just a little personal Mt Saint Helens diffusing pent up nervous energy. You know, the blinking reminds me of Bush vs. Kerry, when he was wearing a wire and being coached off-camera. I doubt that's the case here, but it is strange to see all that blinking.
The Oregon Truth Alliance attended a press conference Chertoff and Portland officials held at the end of the Top Off terrorism drill held in Portland in October of 2007. Somehow, all three of us got to ask the evil bastard our questions.
I will try to find the transcript, and if it is in good shape (one of the members did it from a crappy recording), I will post. He did the same condescending schtick, talking about "magical thinking", totally skirting the question on the use of private security contractors by reframing it, etc.
It's great to see this dirtbag stick his foot in it, because he is a bit of an idiot and he is bound to slip.
how hard it is to get on air. When I had the time I would often push redial for 3 hours straight, 4-5 days a week. Only got in a few times. My point is, besides getting to see Skeletor dance around the questions, they know that 4 people getting in with 9/11 questions on the same 1/2 hour segment represents an enormous number of similar folks trying to get in. Those that have any concept of statistics or probability(of which mine is only rudimentary) were given an indisputable lesson this morning as to how widespread our movement has become.
No, they didn't all orate with the eloquence of a David Ray or a Gage but the average CSPAN viewer knows how one tends to get nervous and choked up a little when, BAM, you are speaking to the entire country.
When I said on air, around 2003 that I mention other possibilities than the official fairy tale to my eigth grade students(among other points) after being cut off the guest(who for the life of me can't remember his name or even profession) went freakin ballistic about how I should be fired and oh my God how terrible!
Bottom line, many of the 3 million viewers came away from this mornings show more aware how deep the river of truth runs. By extension, some of the more thoughtful must've come to realize how iron fisted the MSM clamp down on any and everything truth related is being enforced.
Some will no doubt even be motivated to do some of their own research!!
Truth is like a snowball hurtling down the moutain of fear and ignorance, getting bigger daily, gaining momentum, UNSTOPPABLE!
Well, Camus, I think many people will be inspired by your actions alone. Certainly, I don't have the patience to sit around on a phone line waiting for someone to pick up. That you DO have such patience is itself a form of inspiration You rock.
We associate with as many people as possible that push "Holocaust Revisionism" and "Obama's Birther scandal" so people like Michael Chertoff look like geniuses.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
Holocaust revisionism does damage the cause. Greatly. This says nothing about the historical accuracy of those events, which is a topic I avoid. 3 million is just as bad anyway.
My country unfortunately was particularly helpful deporting Jews. My province, on the other hand, is known for sheltering many Jews from the Nazi's. If you want to take on Holocaust revisionism, please consider doing it without linking it to 9/11 research. Not because to be silent is a good thing, but because it's wise to choose your fights carefully and appropriately. For example, there are many Jewish intellectuals discussing the use of the Holocaust as an eternal excuse for the human rights violations in and around Israel by the hardline Israelis and their backers. Let them talk about it, and the ADL can attempt to shoehorn them into the role of anti-semite instead.
The Holocaust is the one exception I personally make, because the fact that large numbers of Jews, intellectuals, gypsies, socialists, communists, handicapped and other enemies of the Nazi's were exterminated with horrifying efficiency is undisputed. Any "result" adjusting the number of casualties of that genocidal horror will be a pyrrhic victory for its promoters and any direct link to 9/11 research would be catastrophic. The propaganda dogs are hungry, fit and ready to play more guilt by association cards.
I can question the basis for the establishment of Israel. 9/11 truth has enough obstacles to hurdle without adding additional baggage. Pont taken. I will no longer mention my suspicions here, or in any 9/11 forum.
In fact when we become vindicated and justice is served, any reason I had felt like bringing up Israel at all(its inordinately strong influence on our foreign policy etc.) will most likely also be alleviated.
And any link between Israelis arrested in the USA re 911 is CLASSIFIED. IT IS CLASSIFIED INFORMATION!
Also, what are people trying to hide when they hide the Pentagone videos? What IS there to hide? If the official story were true, there should be nothing to hide.
Here in France it is FORBIDDEN to question the holocaust. Well if the official story about the holocaust were true, why would it be forbidden to conduct any scientific inquiry about it? Just imagine, in France we have the right to question anything that happened in the seven thousand years of civilisation, EXCEPT for just TWO years towards the end of WWII. Discussing those two years in relation to the official story about the holocaust is forbidden by law.
The quest for Truth should be without compromise.
Yes, Chertoff is right, 911 Truthers are HISTORICAL REVISIONISTS. study the facts. It is not yet against the law.
I remember when this happened and nothing came of it. Imagine if they had been arab. Their lives would be over. One thing is for sure, that tunnel would be completely safe now (that there is a record that Israel may have had an interest).
LAUREL, Md. - Maryland State Police say they released a 24-year-old Israeli man without charges Friday night after questioning him about photographing the Fort McHenry Tunnel in Baltimore.
Investigators say another motorist reported that a man driving a green Dodge minivan was using a camera and appeared to be taking pictures as he drove through the tunnel.
Police say the van continued south on Interstate-95 and then turned back in the other direction near Laurel.
Officers stopped it on northbound I-95 near Route 198.
A bomb-sniffing dog checked out the car but did not find any explosives.
Police say they found a laptop computer and a digital camera containing pictures of the tunnel inside the van, but nothing else suspicious.
I don't KNOW anything, except that we were lied to, that the "investigations" we got were a sham, that the "powers that be" in this country have used 9/11 for atrocious things around the world, and in this country, that the families deserve better, the responders deserve better, and we deserve better. I don't KNOW anything but pieces of information that deserve attention in a REAL investigation. The Israeli/Palestinian conflict is a different conflict than the cause of 9/11 Truth. This is the 9/11 Truth Movement, not the anti-Zionist movement. "Holocaust Denial" or "Holocaust Revisionism", a ridiculously controversial issue, has no place in this movement, which is ALREADY about a ridiculously controversial issue.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
...then why is SnowCrash allowed to erroneously state that no one disputes the alleged extermination of millions of people, but I am not allowed to correct him on that one point? How would you like it if a newspaper editorial stated that the official story of al-Qaeda hijacking the four planes was disputed by no one, and you were not allowed to argue otherwise?
Who dispute "the alleged extermination of millions of people."
1) Nazis and Neo-Nazis, or people who don't like Jewish people.
2) Muslim people who don't like the fact that Israel was given to the Jewish people after the Holocaust, when the Holocaust was caused by Europeans.
3) People in the Middle East and elsewhere who don't agree with Israel and the United States' policies in that region, and hate the fact that Israel uses the Holocaust as a "get out of jail free card," so they try to say the Holocaust didn't happen.
Which group do you belong to?
I belong to the group of people who don't like how Israel uses the Holocaust from WWII as a "get out of jail free card," but I don't dispute that it happened. Having met people with numbers burned into their arms, and having been to the Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C. pretty much convinced me that it did happen.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
which was deleted with horrifying efficiency by someone with control over this forum. For the record, it was SnowCrash who stated that the story of exterminations was "undisputed." I merely pointed out that this historical record is indeed disputed, and provided a link to a book that does just that. The book I referred to was written by an American scholar who is neither a Nazi, a Moslem nor of Middle-Eastern descent.
Is that it is very easy to paint him as anti-semitic (as CNN did), and the rest of us by association. My problem with Bollyn is that he created this myth that Chertoff has a "dual citizenship," even though he doesn't (what's the latest number of people with dual citizenships? 20 people? 30 people?). My problem with Bollyn is that he obviously targets Israel in most everything he reports (the sign of someone who has a problem with Jewish people). I don't think this "controversy" is ridiculous. I have a problem with people equating being Jewish with being a Zionist. I have a problem with Zionist witch hunts taking part in the 9/11 Truth Movement (I guess since you're not Jewish, you haven't had to deal with accusations of Zionism). I have a problem with people trying to make it a Zionist/Jewish crime rather than a crime carried out by men. Much like I don't want people to make 9/11 a "Muslim crime." I have a problem with people who say they don't want Muslims to be blamed, but have no problems blaming an entire idealogy like Zionism for the crime (an entire idealogy that all you have to be to join is Jewish according to some people). My way of looking at things stops the wars of aggression against groups of people, and holds individuals accountable whereas the alternative has no problem with blaming groups, so long as it is the Zionists (Jews) that are being targetted.
Quite honestly, my family, and my grandfather would be ashamed of me because of the "associations" I have with these people (not by choice).
Thanks, but no thanks.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
I appreciate your calmness and reasonable engagement, but if you ever want to say something is "bad for the movement", then it applies to the post you replied to. I reported it (again), in the hopes that folks visiting 911blogger don't find blatant Holocaust denial in the comment section. This stuff makes me cringe.
of the Jews out of this 9/11 forum. I understand the 2 are seperate issues and one being historic, has no relevance to current events.
Also, our movement does not need extra reasons to turn people off or give morons like Glen Beck avenues to attack us, linkinking us to whackjobs like that old coot at DC museum.
BUT......Jon, I do take offense when you tell us that honestly your grandfather would be ashamed because of your associations........please. When agreeing to not discuss the H. word, that should hold across the board. While here, lets focus solely on 9/11 TRUTH. I frankly don't give a damn about your grandfather's opinion, as you probably do not care about my grandfather's opinion. And just because my grandfather probably hated your grandfather does not mean we must promulgate the hate.
Lets evolve. Lets stay focused. All religion is tool of control.
About people like Eric Hufschmid, Daryl Bradford Smith, Kevin Barrett, Robin Hordon, Christopher Bollyn, etc... My grandfather is dead. He died 3 weeks before 9/11. I dedicated my 9/11 work to him.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
The "DEVIL" gets grilled between his LIES!
If Not Me? Who? If Not Now? When?
http://www.northtexas911truth.com/
Chertoff Apparently Max Attentive Of 9/11 Truth
And note his reference to the 9/11 aircraft attacks to support his position - possibly the strongest aspect of the official myth.
This aspect of the official myth has relied entirely upon the public's virtual unanimous ignorance of the concept of precise GPS guided aircraft auto-pilot control to accomplish the aircraft attacks.
The official story is a mostly unproven allegation.
9/11 is a cold case getting warmer every day.
Time for another FOIA request?
Mandy: . . . 9 scientists that were given debris from the World Trade Centers have found evidence of nanothermite – a high grade military explosive.
C-SPAN Host: Okay, Mandy, thank you, we're going to leave it there because we know where your going. Mr. Chertoff, you've addressed that question.
Michael Chertoff: Yeah, I gotta – you know this, this crops up from time to time and, ah, it has been looked at thoroughly by everybody . . .
Looked at thoroughly by whom? And what was looked at? Nanothermite?
The sweet sound
of 911 Truth.
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The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it
Oh, he's a pro
Watch how he manages to keep a straight face until a caller, who identifies himself as having 30 years in the military, mentions Able Danger. Just watch that smirk (at 4:59). Someone should tell him that just because you string words together it doesn't automatically make a meaningful sentence. I don't mean to be mean, but he really does look like the typical villain from any spy-thriller flick.
...
No need for qualification. He looks like a cross between Gollum and Skelator. And his black heart is just as ugly. This man is one of many who will stand trial for the 911 coverup.
another black heart....
"Today, America would be outraged if UN troops entered Los Angeles to restore order {referring to the 1991 LA Riot}. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there were an outside threat... whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the world government."
--Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberg Conference, Evian, France, 1991
So "whether real or promulgated" huh? Evil that makes people willingly relinquish their rights!
Remember that Kissinger was the first choice to be Executive Director of the 9/11 Commission. I'm not sure if DHS is connected to this scheme, but it should be viewed with great suspicion.
Re: Kissinger
Kissinger attended the US Open. Elites are fond of tennis. Sports in general. So am I. I remember a clip shown a few years ago where Poppy Bush waltzed into Agassi's dressing room to congratulate him on a victory. Agassi (rightly) looked like he was being visited by the Grim Reaper. It was disturbingly funny. My mother likes watching golf. I hate the sport. I agree with George Carlin that golf courses should be turned into public housing grounds for the homeless. I saw a bit recently where Poppy Bush, during a golf tournament, spoke of Americans and their loss of "values". What values he was describing I'm not sure. Presumably: infidelity, ignorance and sloth, as opposed to drug pushing and mass murder.
You gotta love "elites". Poppy Bush and Kissinger feel they have the right to attend public events like the US Open. They have no shame. They have no fear of being lynched. In a sane world, these people would be wearing straight jackets, not formulating public policy.
When the archeologists dig us up ten thousand years from now, assuming the human race survives, they will say the following: what the fuck were they thinking?
Great observation
George Carlin was one of those that seemed to have a fairly good grasp on how the world runs - he was right about golf, too...
"Dorko in the plaid knickers is going to hit it again, and walk some more. Let these rich cocksuckers play miniature golf. Let 'em fuck with a windmaill for an hour and a half or so, see if there's really any SKILL amongst these people." - George C.
The love that you withhold is the pain that you carry
looks like that old blood sucker...
I was thinking he more resembles Nosferatu,
http://media.photobucket.com/image/nosferatu/cafehey/Nosferatu2.jpg
CSpan is getting a tad desperate when they have to cut off that many callers, great to see really.
Smell the sulfur
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Black Heart
This cretin is a walking deception. His responses wriggle off the point like worms. His contempt for the callers and by extension for us is palpable. This "Holocaust Deniers" bullshit seriously pisses me off.
The line between military and criminality ...
"The line between military and criminality has been eliminated" (rough quotation)- how right you are Mr. Chertoff. Just scrap our Constitution and everything will be fine.
At least he's up front for an evil sucker.
Isn't it ironic?
The irony of conflating holocaust deniers with 9/11 Truthers never fails to bewilder and astonish me.
There was an incredible degree of denial by ordinary citizens as well as Allied authorities and there was a criminal and conscious cover up by Nazi authorities and German media during WW2.
Today there is an incredible degree of denial by ordinary citizens as well as all government authorities, and there is criminal and conscious cover up by certain elements of American government and media.
Don't allow THEM that argument..
Totally.
I couldn't have said it better.........and I'm bewildered, too. I write it off to an extreme minimum of people who would dare make the accusation and think they can get away with it, and only when (they feel) they have their backs against the wall.
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Hang on !
.......Going to puke! Be right back. Damn i never could stand the smell of BULLSHIT!
Chertoff
It's interesting to observe an actual demon.
Hehe.
"I've never stood that close to evil ..." -Lewis Black, on meeting Dick Cheney.
C-Span
I first became truly cognizant of a conspiracy watching the 2003 AIPAC convention on C-Span just prior to the Iraq invasion. Something about John McCain hugging Hillary Clinton during that bizarre blood festival preceding the wholesale slaughter labeled "Iraqi Freedom", piqued my curiosity. Chertoff still seems to exude quite a bit of bravado, although he belongs in irons.
Brian Lamb has been quite a friend to 9-11 truth, I think he may have let the callers run a bit more than this Peter guy.
Zionism's automatic responses...
From what I understand, Chertoff is a duel citizen between the USofA and Israel.
It should be clear how Zionism will respond to our efforts to spread the Truth about 9/11...and all sorts of other troubling stuff too...
Anyway, their most effective two weapons against the TRUTH...in almost all areas...is to call someone an antisemite if at all possible...and of course, regarding our mission, to associate the 9/11TM with "Holocaust Deniers".
Its ALL part of their simple, observable and predictable plan.
What's good about the repeated phone calls regarding 9/11 Truth is that it shows we are still going hard at it...and will not go away...and...
...more and more people will discover the "rights eliminating scam" that are the Homeland Security quagmire and the Patriot Act...and...
When people just get a "read" on sleezeballs like this tool, citizen's will always have doubts about these characters.
I'd LOVE to have Henry the "K" respond to all of our 9/11 Truth questions every day!...talk about momentum building our way...
I think that eventually all the: "your an antisemite", and the: "you are a Holocaust Denier" attacks against us and others will expose the truths behind their actions...will become antiproductive for them...and will be a major benefit for us.
The more the Zionists communicate, the more they are exposed.
And that's a really, really good thing to happen for world peace...and 9/11 Truth.
So, lets just keep civil...lets just keep factual...lets make sure that we keep accessible to the average citizen.
They will eventually sort out 9/11, war and peace, Israel and Zionism along with alotta other stuff...
love, peace and progress...
Robin Hordon
Kingston, WA
Do you have a document...
Showing that Chertoff has a dual citizenship with Israel, or a mailing address in Israel that belongs to Chertoff, or are you basing that on the "right of return?"
If you are, then that would mean that I also have a "dual citizenship" with Israel even though I have no mailing address there, or no documentation to substantiate that claim.
Edit: Are you going to answer this question Robin, or are you going to continue to push bs?
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
Not really my business, but..
"He held dual U.S. and Israeli citizenship."
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/1089860/Michael-Chertoff
Well I'll be damned...
That's the first actual reference I've seen to that outside of Bollyn's article. Bollyn doesn't even cite that. Good job Snowcrash.
Edit: Actually... what kind of page is that? What is their source for that? That looks like a wiki-style site.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
As far as I know
Britannica does not allow editing by anybody. It allows to suggest an edit, it seems, which then has to be checked and admitted by their own editors.
Where they got this information, I have no idea. I posted it because it is Britannica. They may be wrong, of course. At least it's not Bollyn.
Yea...
But without citing a source, to me, it's bunk. For sh*ts and giggles, I tried to edit it to see what happens.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
A bad scenario
Would be if Britannica used Bollyn as a source. Or worse, simply went on the rumors. That would be a facepalm moment. I'm considering contacting Britannica to find out. It's something I think Chertoff would like to hide, considering possible conflicts of interest in the past. If one asked Israel directly, they'd probably deny it.
I think it's funny...
That people are voting me down because I question a statement with no source. You know... trying to be responsible, and credible doesn't sit well with some people. If it's a statement against those nasty Zionists (Jews), it must be true because "we know."
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
Grain of salt
I tend to take the voting system with a grain of salt. Now and then it says more about people's preconceptions than about the quality of the comment. Sometimes I think I've brought up a great point, but I see no reactions except downvoting. It's a gauge, but of what exactly, I'm not sure. Reactions are much more useful. 911blogger isn't a forum, and sometimes I question the wisdom of engaging in long discussions here. A forum format may be better.
I agree that meticulousness and scrupulousness isn't always rewarded as it should. A real bad outcome would be if people let their thoughts be dictated by the tyranny of the majority, as is the case with the Wikipedia model. It's not a particularly good model for fact finding and truth seeking. Think independently is my creed.
By the way, I assume this means you haven't found anything about Chertoff's 'dual citizenship' in your own archive? After all, it's our own free Lexis-Nexis.
I have looked into the allegations...
Of "dual citizenship" before regarding a multitude of people (because supposedly even George Tenet has a dual citizenship based on some people's lists), and I have found nothing to substantiate that claim. Myself, and others have looked into it, and have gotten the same results. The "Law of Return" or "Right of Return" is what most people who make that argument cite, and that is a bs argument. Essentially that says that if you are Jewish, then you have a "dual citizenship" with Israel. Sorry, but I'm Jewish, and I've never been there, have no intention of going there, and certainly don't have a mailing address there. "We know..." my ass.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
If Bollyn stated it
that means to me that the info ist most probably correct but has to be published with his smell.
Ever think of it that Bollyn is used for that?
I mean, come on, ever If I stumpled upon a serious issue Bollyn or some likeminded people had already made this before.
That is the case with the molten metal. We had this a few days ago. That's clearly the case with the earth shaking. Just the scholars recently made the case more clear.
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200609/ExplosionInTowerBeforeJ...
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2009/MacQueen_EarlyEarthShake.pdf
Who was the first one in this theme? Bollyn!:
http://www.bollyn.com/911#article_10467
(BTW: In his update he claims that his article was the reason Prof. Jones started his 9/11 research, even with a photo op. As far as I know that's not the truth. I doubt it.)
Think of Eric Hufschmid. Where does he get his ressources from?
Thermite hypothesis
The thermite hypothesis orginates from Derrick Grimmer, iirc. (Who, in turn, seems to credit other people like Mike Rivero, etc.)
http://physics911.net/thermite
Yes, I can confirm that
and the first time he ever heard of 9/11 sceptics was from Linda Peters, he mentioned it in one of his powerpoints. "Hat tip to Linda Peters"
She mentioned it during her speech: If you think the WTC towers came down by fire alone you'll have a lot to learn ( I'm paraphrasing.)
That must have took place in spring 2005.
So Bollyn is overstating his influence.
I just received this...
From the Encyclopedia Britannica correctionsdesk@eb.com ...
Jonathan Gold Thank you for your suggestion. Having extensively researched the matter, our editors have deleted the sentence concerning dual citizenship. We appreciate your readership and assistance in keeping Britannica the world's authority since 1768. -Britannica Editors
And there you go. It still has it up, but Jon Gold was right, and Christopher Bollyn, and Robin Hordon were wrong. For those who are more interested in fiction than facts, vote this down.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
Voted you up
and Britannica takes a big hit in credibility. Facepalm.
Adam, thank you!
That's PRICELESS!!
Chertoff and the interviewer are so transparent, very few people could miss it.
Only Chertoff, alleging that he "missed" Rumsfeld's news about the "missing" trillions might "miss" the fact that nobody watching "missed" his baloney!!
Man, one right after another after another. BAM...BAM...BAM.
He's plays a cool character, but I think he was rattled.
Beautiful!
We all need to get onto those call-in lines, stat, and keep it up!!!!
They've got nowhere to run and nowhere to hide.
communication
I think that whenever we make any public statements, we all need to have absolute calm and confidence in our manner. We also need to be MORE articvulate than others. Just like the African Americans in days past, they were assumed "less than" before they opened their mouths, unfortunately. If they happened to be ordinary, and often lacking in great communication skills, theirs is a double plight of trying to sound credible. Ours is too. We have to be ABOVE the common, because too many already assume the worst before we even speak. Anyone speaking inarticulately will DAMAGE the truth movement's great momentum. Be comfortable if you are going to call in. Be unshakable. Be prepared. State what you and others already know, before asking any questions, which you know will be met with a subtle and disparaging attitude. So, it is more about making clear statements than about asking questions, but I guess you have to appear to be asking a question.
To be honest, I was embarrassed by a couple of those call ins.
The most severe form of learning disorders are owned by those that "already know everything."
"Anyone speaking
"Anyone speaking inarticulately will DAMAGE the truth movement's great momentum."
Unfortunately we can't control who represents or speaks for the Truth Movement.
For every Ricard or Steven or Abby or Dylan or Aidan or Jon, there are 10 paranoid crazy people who push outrageous theories and discredit the ones who lead with common sense and solid evidence and facts.
Since we can't silence them we have to support the ones who represent us well.
The cream tends to rise to the top as with MLK, Ghandi etc.
You can't hide those lyin' eyes...
As mentioned earlier, he's a pro, he's attended the media training sessions, he's doing his best...but he's not fooling us!
Watch those eyes blinking away, blinking almost constantly! He has learned not to divert his eyes (not easy to do), he just stares straight into the camera, "calmly", as people formulate their intelligent questions. Except the uncontrollable blinking reveals he's trying very hard not to lose it! That smirk is just a little personal Mt Saint Helens diffusing pent up nervous energy. You know, the blinking reminds me of Bush vs. Kerry, when he was wearing a wire and being coached off-camera. I doubt that's the case here, but it is strange to see all that blinking.
Shall we educate Janet Napolitano on 9/11?
Department of Homeland Security
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Chertoff is a lying sack!
The Oregon Truth Alliance attended a press conference Chertoff and Portland officials held at the end of the Top Off terrorism drill held in Portland in October of 2007. Somehow, all three of us got to ask the evil bastard our questions.
I will try to find the transcript, and if it is in good shape (one of the members did it from a crappy recording), I will post. He did the same condescending schtick, talking about "magical thinking", totally skirting the question on the use of private security contractors by reframing it, etc.
It's great to see this dirtbag stick his foot in it, because he is a bit of an idiot and he is bound to slip.
Your avearage CSPAN junkie knows
how hard it is to get on air. When I had the time I would often push redial for 3 hours straight, 4-5 days a week. Only got in a few times. My point is, besides getting to see Skeletor dance around the questions, they know that 4 people getting in with 9/11 questions on the same 1/2 hour segment represents an enormous number of similar folks trying to get in. Those that have any concept of statistics or probability(of which mine is only rudimentary) were given an indisputable lesson this morning as to how widespread our movement has become.
No, they didn't all orate with the eloquence of a David Ray or a Gage but the average CSPAN viewer knows how one tends to get nervous and choked up a little when, BAM, you are speaking to the entire country.
When I said on air, around 2003 that I mention other possibilities than the official fairy tale to my eigth grade students(among other points) after being cut off the guest(who for the life of me can't remember his name or even profession) went freakin ballistic about how I should be fired and oh my God how terrible!
Bottom line, many of the 3 million viewers came away from this mornings show more aware how deep the river of truth runs. By extension, some of the more thoughtful must've come to realize how iron fisted the MSM clamp down on any and everything truth related is being enforced.
Some will no doubt even be motivated to do some of their own research!!
Truth is like a snowball hurtling down the moutain of fear and ignorance, getting bigger daily, gaining momentum, UNSTOPPABLE!
...
Well, Camus, I think many people will be inspired by your actions alone. Certainly, I don't have the patience to sit around on a phone line waiting for someone to pick up. That you DO have such patience is itself a form of inspiration You rock.
Let's make sure...
We associate with as many people as possible that push "Holocaust Revisionism" and "Obama's Birther scandal" so people like Michael Chertoff look like geniuses.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
Revisionism meaning what eaxactly?
Are we not allowed to question the 6 million number? Are we not allowed to include the non jews that were killed?
I'm not a "denier", just have many questions. How many rich jews got out before it was too late?
Could all that Palestinian land have been stolen without it being 6 million?
Did any waelthy Zionist help the process along and inflate the numbers knowing they would use it to steal Palestinian land?
Knowing mossad had a hand in 9/11 it behooves us to be crystal clear on how and why its host country was created.
Does that make me crazy or anti-semitic to ask questions. Am I damaging the cause?
In this particular case
Yes.
Holocaust revisionism does damage the cause. Greatly. This says nothing about the historical accuracy of those events, which is a topic I avoid. 3 million is just as bad anyway.
My country unfortunately was particularly helpful deporting Jews. My province, on the other hand, is known for sheltering many Jews from the Nazi's. If you want to take on Holocaust revisionism, please consider doing it without linking it to 9/11 research. Not because to be silent is a good thing, but because it's wise to choose your fights carefully and appropriately. For example, there are many Jewish intellectuals discussing the use of the Holocaust as an eternal excuse for the human rights violations in and around Israel by the hardline Israelis and their backers. Let them talk about it, and the ADL can attempt to shoehorn them into the role of anti-semite instead.
The Holocaust is the one exception I personally make, because the fact that large numbers of Jews, intellectuals, gypsies, socialists, communists, handicapped and other enemies of the Nazi's were exterminated with horrifying efficiency is undisputed. Any "result" adjusting the number of casualties of that genocidal horror will be a pyrrhic victory for its promoters and any direct link to 9/11 research would be catastrophic. The propaganda dogs are hungry, fit and ready to play more guilt by association cards.
Please consider reading On Disinformation and Damaging Associations as linked to by the general rules.
OK, I see your point and agree. There are many places
I can question the basis for the establishment of Israel. 9/11 truth has enough obstacles to hurdle without adding additional baggage. Pont taken. I will no longer mention my suspicions here, or in any 9/11 forum.
In fact when we become vindicated and justice is served, any reason I had felt like bringing up Israel at all(its inordinately strong influence on our foreign policy etc.) will most likely also be alleviated.
TRUTH = PEACE, JUSTICE
Just remind people here about the dancing Israelis
And any link between Israelis arrested in the USA re 911 is CLASSIFIED. IT IS CLASSIFIED INFORMATION!
Also, what are people trying to hide when they hide the Pentagone videos? What IS there to hide? If the official story were true, there should be nothing to hide.
Here in France it is FORBIDDEN to question the holocaust. Well if the official story about the holocaust were true, why would it be forbidden to conduct any scientific inquiry about it? Just imagine, in France we have the right to question anything that happened in the seven thousand years of civilisation, EXCEPT for just TWO years towards the end of WWII. Discussing those two years in relation to the official story about the holocaust is forbidden by law.
The quest for Truth should be without compromise.
Yes, Chertoff is right, 911 Truthers are HISTORICAL REVISIONISTS. study the facts. It is not yet against the law.
I remember when this
I remember when this happened and nothing came of it. Imagine if they had been arab. Their lives would be over. One thing is for sure, that tunnel would be completely safe now (that there is a record that Israel may have had an interest).
2006
http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=25&sid=922158
LAUREL, Md. - Maryland State Police say they released a 24-year-old Israeli man without charges Friday night after questioning him about photographing the Fort McHenry Tunnel in Baltimore.
Investigators say another motorist reported that a man driving a green Dodge minivan was using a camera and appeared to be taking pictures as he drove through the tunnel.
Police say the van continued south on Interstate-95 and then turned back in the other direction near Laurel.
Officers stopped it on northbound I-95 near Route 198.
A bomb-sniffing dog checked out the car but did not find any explosives.
Police say they found a laptop computer and a digital camera containing pictures of the tunnel inside the van, but nothing else suspicious.
"Knowing mossad had a hand in 9/11..."
I don't KNOW anything, except that we were lied to, that the "investigations" we got were a sham, that the "powers that be" in this country have used 9/11 for atrocious things around the world, and in this country, that the families deserve better, the responders deserve better, and we deserve better. I don't KNOW anything but pieces of information that deserve attention in a REAL investigation. The Israeli/Palestinian conflict is a different conflict than the cause of 9/11 Truth. This is the 9/11 Truth Movement, not the anti-Zionist movement. "Holocaust Denial" or "Holocaust Revisionism", a ridiculously controversial issue, has no place in this movement, which is ALREADY about a ridiculously controversial issue.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
If it is a ridiculously controversial issue....
...then why is SnowCrash allowed to erroneously state that no one disputes the alleged extermination of millions of people, but I am not allowed to correct him on that one point? How would you like it if a newspaper editorial stated that the official story of al-Qaeda hijacking the four planes was disputed by no one, and you were not allowed to argue otherwise?
There are people...
Who dispute "the alleged extermination of millions of people."
1) Nazis and Neo-Nazis, or people who don't like Jewish people.
2) Muslim people who don't like the fact that Israel was given to the Jewish people after the Holocaust, when the Holocaust was caused by Europeans.
3) People in the Middle East and elsewhere who don't agree with Israel and the United States' policies in that region, and hate the fact that Israel uses the Holocaust as a "get out of jail free card," so they try to say the Holocaust didn't happen.
Which group do you belong to?
I belong to the group of people who don't like how Israel uses the Holocaust from WWII as a "get out of jail free card," but I don't dispute that it happened. Having met people with numbers burned into their arms, and having been to the Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C. pretty much convinced me that it did happen.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
I answered all your questions in my original post...
which was deleted with horrifying efficiency by someone with control over this forum. For the record, it was SnowCrash who stated that the story of exterminations was "undisputed." I merely pointed out that this historical record is indeed disputed, and provided a link to a book that does just that. The book I referred to was written by an American scholar who is neither a Nazi, a Moslem nor of Middle-Eastern descent.
My problem with Bollyn...
Is that it is very easy to paint him as anti-semitic (as CNN did), and the rest of us by association. My problem with Bollyn is that he created this myth that Chertoff has a "dual citizenship," even though he doesn't (what's the latest number of people with dual citizenships? 20 people? 30 people?). My problem with Bollyn is that he obviously targets Israel in most everything he reports (the sign of someone who has a problem with Jewish people). I don't think this "controversy" is ridiculous. I have a problem with people equating being Jewish with being a Zionist. I have a problem with Zionist witch hunts taking part in the 9/11 Truth Movement (I guess since you're not Jewish, you haven't had to deal with accusations of Zionism). I have a problem with people trying to make it a Zionist/Jewish crime rather than a crime carried out by men. Much like I don't want people to make 9/11 a "Muslim crime." I have a problem with people who say they don't want Muslims to be blamed, but have no problems blaming an entire idealogy like Zionism for the crime (an entire idealogy that all you have to be to join is Jewish according to some people). My way of looking at things stops the wars of aggression against groups of people, and holds individuals accountable whereas the alternative has no problem with blaming groups, so long as it is the Zionists (Jews) that are being targetted.
Quite honestly, my family, and my grandfather would be ashamed of me because of the "associations" I have with these people (not by choice).
Thanks, but no thanks.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
Jon
I appreciate your calmness and reasonable engagement, but if you ever want to say something is "bad for the movement", then it applies to the post you replied to. I reported it (again), in the hopes that folks visiting 911blogger don't find blatant Holocaust denial in the comment section. This stuff makes me cringe.
I agreed to keep any questions about the Nazi treatment
of the Jews out of this 9/11 forum. I understand the 2 are seperate issues and one being historic, has no relevance to current events.
Also, our movement does not need extra reasons to turn people off or give morons like Glen Beck avenues to attack us, linkinking us to whackjobs like that old coot at DC museum.
BUT......Jon, I do take offense when you tell us that honestly your grandfather would be ashamed because of your associations........please. When agreeing to not discuss the H. word, that should hold across the board. While here, lets focus solely on 9/11 TRUTH. I frankly don't give a damn about your grandfather's opinion, as you probably do not care about my grandfather's opinion. And just because my grandfather probably hated your grandfather does not mean we must promulgate the hate.
Lets evolve. Lets stay focused. All religion is tool of control.
One Love
I'm talking specifically...
About people like Eric Hufschmid, Daryl Bradford Smith, Kevin Barrett, Robin Hordon, Christopher Bollyn, etc... My grandfather is dead. He died 3 weeks before 9/11. I dedicated my 9/11 work to him.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
NICE
Amazing! I loved the first caller... "Did ya'll ever find it?" (the missing trillions) hahahaha!
Everyone has looked at it?
Everyone has looked at it? That sounds like something a 5th grader would say.