Architects for 9/11 inquiry: Fire couldn't demolish WTC in 11 seconds March 2, 2010 RUSSIA TODAY

Architects for 9/11 inquiry: Fire couldn't demolish WTC in 11 seconds

RussiaToday
March 02, 2010

The question isn't who or why anymore so much as how. How could 200 thousand tonnes of steel have dropped to the ground in under 11 seconds because of a fire? Over a thousand engineers and architec...
The question isn't who or why anymore so much as how. How could 200 thousand tonnes of steel have dropped to the ground in under 11 seconds because of a fire? Over a thousand engineers and architects say it simlpy couldn't, not the way it happened on September 11, and now they want a new investigation. Tim King has been following this issue in quite some time.
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A&E4911T - is the very leading edge

of the tip of the spearhead, of the 911 truth movement. If you don't support them yet, you should. Best bang for the buck going, in history, helping that group continue to grow and get its message out there, far and wide, until we at long last get to see an eventual transformation, not in military affairs, but in human and global affairs. The official story myth, and it's nothing more than that, a fairytale, cannot stand, and it doesn't, not even in the face of the smallest degree of rational objective observation and reasoning. History and time are now on our side, on the side of the 9/11 truth movement, and in time, we shall, every last one of us, be considered among the first true real patriots, of the 21st century. And not just American patriots, but global patriots, as the global historical participants that we really are, by neccessity, the neccessity of choice. Soon a historical evaluation is going ot take place in regards to 9/11, before the year 2020, and looking back in the rear view mirror of near 20/20 hindsight, we shall see. Everyone will see, and the MSM had sure better sit up and take notice, as our numbers surpass 50% of the American and global population. Zelikow's universe - is about to implode in a black hole singularity, of insanity, surrounded by an ocean of truth and reality. And our moves (our Jon Gold comes to mind) to bridge over and into the anti-war and anti-establishment movements, that's powerful, and highly transformative.

Bottom line - We'll get there yet, of that there can be no doubt. Why?

Because grade ten physics students, armed with nothing but a few youtube videos, a stop watch and some basic equations, will prove it, time and time again, from generation to generation, while the twin towers of the World Trade Center, remain forever conspicuously absent the New York City Skyline, in perpetuity.

THEY DID NOT "COLLAPSE" from the plane impacts and fire - they were BLOWN UP, it's painfully OBVIOUS, so again, back to our spearhead..

So I say GO Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth!!! Go GO GO!!! (i was getting tired of shouting Go Canada for the 2010 Olympics anyway..)

I think I will join them and see what I can do to help out, and you should too - ya never know, you might just change history itself in the process! Think about that, about the implications of that - could there be anything more vitally important?
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On the 11th day, of every month.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q9nRs8cu5Y&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Ftruthaction...

Firefighters

At this point I would also love to see a strengthening of the First Responders group of Eric Lawyer. Hopefully, they're working with Richard Gage and learning how to grow. I think it's easy for Joe Six-Packs to ignore a bunch of "pointy-headed geeks" (sorry for the ridiculous stereotype), but salt-of-the-earth firefighters are another story altogether.

Can you imaging large numbers of NYC firefights taking to the street to demand a new investigation?? For the mass-media to ignore this would truly mark them as dinosaurs just waiting for the next asteroid.

Plus.

If there was a viable Firefighters for 9/11 Truth group with dvd's and flyers we could all go down to the local firestations and pass these out. that could really work.

Thoughts please?

Several times on comments in the past, I have brought up this infamous thread at what is considered the main meeting point on the internet for firemen - U.S. ones anyway.

Why does each and every single firefighter there, except Erik Lawyer, have a burning hatred for 9/11 truth and its members?

Here is a representative sample of that thread; a "firefighter" says to Erik Lawyer:

I just hurt myself. I fell off the chair laughing. This friggin' moron is lecturing ME about NFPA 921. ME!

You may not be hear to name call and insult, but I am. You are a loser, pal. I challenge you to walk into anyf firehouse in NYC and spew this nonsense. Just make sure that you leave good info as to what you want done with your remains (not a threat, but a prediction).

And, just so I fit into your little model, here...I was standing with several hundred other fire fighters outside Manhattan Community College when 7 fell. I watched it, heard it, smelled it and saw it fall. You are 100% completely, totally positvely wrong on every single count.

And another:

Absolutely agree. I have challenged these whacks to contact FDNY firefighters about what happened that day. The typical reply is a youtube vid where a NY fireman is saying, "It was like a huge explosion when the tower went down."

LIKE an explosion, knothead, LIKE an explosion. He is NOT saying it WAS an explosion that brought those buildings down.

That is why I am so disturbed that there is some fireman behind a website implying that there are many in our profession who believe the conspiracy baloney.

Later on in the thread they link to a JREF thread which "proves" that Richard Gage is a charlatan and a fraud, and they also use the argument of "the petition signers on ae911truth are 0.0001% of the world's engineering population" and "you'll find whack jobs in any profession."

I find it strange especially in light of the fact that the comments at the Washington Times article were overwhelmingly pro truth.

Is firefighting such a "blindly follow orders" job that these folks have lost the ability to think at all? Surely all the posters at that thread are not paid agents.

Outside of the firefighters thread, does anyone else notice that whenever there is a favorable piece or a hit piece on 9/11 truth, sometimes the comments are overwhelmingly anti-truth, and in other places, they are overwhelmingly pro truth?

I wonder what the demographic explanation is for this phenomenon?

What does it say when the Washington Times receives overwhelmingly pro truth comments while some relatively minor local paper receives mostly 'debunker' style comments?

Seems like stages of death

Looks like they are experiencing the 5 stages of grief and death to me. They can happen in any order, and may happen in an overlapping fashion. I believe they are denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance.

Looks like tons of denial, and a touch of anger...

To be fair, I have felt all of these when confronted with the idea that I waslied to and continue to be lied to about 9-11, and I am STILL angry after all these years, it's what keeps me coming back to pages like this. Thanksfully, it looks like a lot more people are reaching the acceptance stage...

The love that you withhold is the pain that you carry

This is a very interesting question

with a difficult answer. I think the reason it is unpredictable is because a handful of people dominate the comments under stories on the net. These comments make for a poor barometer, especially with emotional issues like 9/11. We can communicate over the phone, over the internet, with letters in the mail, or face to face. Being face to face with someone, as you know Adam, is totally different than the others because the human aspects and senses come into play.

The internet is so awesome, I hope we can keep it!... ..I sound like a child, but it is a lagitimate quetion

Things I've noticed about people on the net:

some like to vent
some are extremely brave (so I have read)
some admire others who write so well (everybody writes better than me)
some are funny
some are serious
some are mean
some are stubborn (once they have their stake in the ground, that's it)
some know people who are experts at something (my brother is a controlled demolition expert)

Great question!

Fire Fighters for 9/11 Truth is viable now

and the Northern California 9/11 Truth Alliance are working with them to improve their flyer and create more flyers for them.

911tv.org is already planning on creating at least one dvd with Erik Lawyer and other fire fighters.

Stay tuned as this is a very exciting development, and one I have been anticipating for over two years.

I think that first contact with local fire fighters should always be in regard to helping the ill and injured members of FDNY, other first responders and ground zero workers. Once a rapport has been established, then the issue of the destruction of the three WTC buildings can be brought up. First connect with them on a purely human level, then get into the often politically sensitive topics. Of course, if a fire fighter brings the issue up right away, then don't hesitate to respond. The importance of first impressions when making first contact cannot be stressed too much. In general, fire fighters tend to be more conservative and cautious than most in the 9/11 truth movement (I have several friends who are fire fighters, so this opinion is formed from direct experience).

We can make 2010 a breakthrough year for 9/11 truth, brothers and sisters, let's get busier!

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

Eric Lawyer......

Is a tremendous voice for truth. Thanks for facilitating this effort, LW. His speech from the Press conference is now on youtube and it is a home-run.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uor8NhUr_90

Right now this second we could combine that with other interview clips of firefighters and the FDNY radio transmissions. Plus the quotes from Fire Engineering magazine and the firefighters who witnessed the pools of molten steel. Right now, we could make a 30-45 minutes long DVD called "Firefighters for 9/11 Truth" to distribute that would promote their site.

The Firefighters are heroes who resonate with Joe 6-pack and the general public better than ANYTHING.

Part 6/6 – AE911 Truth 1000 – SF Press Conference Eric Lawyer

http://www.911blogger.com/node/22730

Part 6/6 – AE911 Truth 1000 – SF Press Conference

Firefighter, Eric Lawyer, founder of Firefighters for 911 Truth, Eric Lawyer, pointed out the many ways in which long-established protocols for handling crime scenes involving fire and building collapse were egregiously violated, consistent with a cover-up. Eric

* (YouTube; February 25, 2010) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZFDsAH-CLA

"We also demand an investigation that follows the national standards and has contempt and subpoena powers."

Firefighters for 9/11 Truth in history

that's perfect.

Now all we need are PHYSICISTS - for 9/11 Truth, to top it off. Scholars as we know, got um, sidetracked, so how about physicists? Maybe David Chandler could start that up..?

Because in this case, it's physics, which will alter history, and set the record straight for the sake of truth and justice, even for the victims themselves and all the many more victims created in their name, and in ours, in the wake of 9/11 as a "historical turning point" from which we are STILL, to this very day, mired in. It's doesn't matter how horrific are the implications, only our comittment and dediction to truth and reality itself, a form of disciplined reason without which, there can be no love, no glue.

I think their whole worldview and "historical narrative" - is COMPLETELY unravelling. Therefore, NOW is the time to push on in, and through the threshold of historical transformation. Let us use and employ Zelikow's evil genuis, against him ie: "the shifts are perceptual shifts, about our recent past, and they occur instantaneously and suddenly, are of an unpredictable nature, being non-linear, and which form the predominantly held viewpoint of the "relevant" political class (in our case, everyone else BUT the elite) even well beyond the point of view, of the "experiencing generation", thereby transmitting and retaining their essential power, from generation, to generation, as a public MYTH commonly shared by all." (ie: that the buildings, in particular, the twin towers of the world trade center, were completely destroyed as a direct and SOLE result, of the plane impacts and fires, an utter absurdity we know).

Let the truth itself be their eventual downfall, and the historical millstone around the necks - there's no getting around the truth of the matter. THEN, when the truth be known, maybe, MAYBE, then and only then, can we begin the process of mourning, and learning, or even ultimately, forgiving, a neccessary process, for the sake of justice which must by its very nature belong only to God alone (let justice be mine sayeth the Lord).

What we have done in relation to 9/11, is to have laid open the possibility, as a gateway to freedom, for much learning and much healing to be done, and as such we carry the torch of victory (Truth in History), in the name of the victims.

So I say good work, well done everyone. We exceeded in the end, our wildest imaginings and expectations, we held the frick'n GATE open, for the winds of freedom to one day blow again! I suspect we are applauded by those, all of them, who's lives, who's very lives, were sacrificed, for an overarching global "geostrategic" (said like Zbignew Brzinski however you spell it) GAMBIT, who's agenda, was quite simply that of WAR (and through war, global domination via "shock and awe"). It's CRAZY! Utterly insane, those "Neocon Zionists", they were stark raving MAD - and by God the world must KNOW about this, what happened in the opening decade of the 21st century, they MUST (they will) - and as David Chandler has pointed out, it's as simple as watching the video of the North Tower quite literally exploding, before your very eyes. It's plainly obvious and in plain sight. Nobody can deny it, and generations from now, they won't be able to any longer. There'll be an inversion of Zekikow-reality 9/11 myth-based universe, simply due to the very fact that their operation was too BRAZEN, and just simply too UNBELIEVABLE, to be accepted by the masses, as true. His myth therefore MUST be rejected at SOME point in history, and therefore crumbles, even as we speak..

One generation, that's all we need and we almost have it, thanks be to the Internet.

YES!!!!

- omniadeo

I am thrilled to see that RT repeatedly addresses 9/11.

I would like to se AE911Truth set up a donation fund slated for TV advertising. TV advertising could start with a run of 30 second spots in a local venue...with costs generally in the range of $50-$100 per 30 second spot. TV ads would elevate AE911Truth to a whole new strata of audience exposure, along with putting sweat on the dark side. "Play in the press" would probably result which would make the ads more cost-effective. Also, when people see things on TV, they seem to think that it is more credible.

Me too but..

Doesn't it seem that keep covering the same thing over and over? I hear the same questions being repeated on the same topics. I'm glad for RT and all, but it seems they could go a little more in depth. Just a passing thought.

peace al

dan
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“The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is.”
-- Winston Churchill

Sense of humor test - slightly - but not completely off topic

Obviously mass murder used to justify more mass murder is NOT funny.

Still - we need a little foolish absurdity once in a while. It's a human need. That's why the Three Stooges were - and Jim
Carey is - so successful.

So - that having been said, wouldn't it be funny if we got a real investigation with subpoena power and we discovered that the planes really were holograms, that the towers were destroyed by a beam weapon, that there were mini nukes in the basement of the buildings and that Kahlil Sheik Mohammed really did plan the whole thing?

And - here's something else that's pretty " funny"

Karl Rove doesn't " know" that KSM was " the mastermind ." He still thinks Osama "was responsible."

Thank God, Nature, The Big Bang or whatever you believe in - that you don't have his karma.

In "Courage and Consequence," Rove argues that history will look favorably on Bush's two-term presidency, particularly his decision to invade Iraq. He calls the 2003 invasion the most consequential act of the Bush presidency and a justifiable response to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, even though al-Qaida and Osama bin Laden, not Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein, were responsible.

Rove, the Inflated

Which says to me that these people really are fundamentally weak and delusional. They believe their own hallucinations. They really do seem to operate from the perspective that if they can control the imaging and narrative that's "beamed" into the living rooms of the fat, passive rubes of America, if they can control perception, they can ultimately control reality in perpetuity. It's this kind of mad grandiosity that has ALWAYS caused empires to fall.