If this is it...part 4 – Nazis among us—the grain of truth in the lie
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Part 4 – Nazis among us—the grain of truth
Its a "debunker" cliche the 9/11 truth movement is full of Holocaust deniers and Nazis. It's a lie, but a lie with a basis of truth: Nazis sure do seem to want "join up" and spread the word "the Jews did it!" I say Nazis, but this includes people who aren't actually Nazis but, either don't mind working with them, OR who share the same agenda. I should say “agendas” because where Nazis sympathies lie there appear to be several:
1: the “oppression” of the “white” race by blacks, Jews, Mexicans, Irish Catholics—whom everyone else consider white/of European decent, but these folks never let facts get in their way. For that matter most European Jews are “white”, that is of Polish, German, Russian decent—yep, those pesky facts ....
2: WASP Zionists who are from the Christian Right and have a delusional idea they can bring about the Rapture by mucking about in the Middle East.
3: Various alphabet soup intelligence agencies—the most well know being the FBI—running ops with an agenda of keeping the political force of American labour tied up in phony racist bollox.
4: The same alphabet soup intel ops directed at smearing activists groups as Nazis to undermine their credibility and effectiveness.
Enter the Holocaust “Revisionists”.
These persons seem to the be first line of “Nazi” infiltration into otherwise progressive activist groups. Often initially members of said group will have never heard of the “revisionists” other work, as they have no contact with Nazis or Nazi sympathizers. So it's a bit like a mugging—a la Eric Williams and the Arizona conference.
Of course other right wing nutters are completely familiar with the rubbish, their culture heavily overlapping with the extreme right Nazis and crypt-Nazis gravitate to, so it's no surprise when say “Screw Lucy” leaps on issues like these(if they aren't actually setups from go):
As someone says:
“We just got duped. Pure and simple. And I'm not sure we could have avoided this one. The guy made himself look kosher up to this point.”
Which makes Pat's statement more than disingenuous:
“Note: The point here is not that some idiot Holocaust Denier is holding a conference. The point is that so many other people who imagine themselves to standing up for the "Truth" would care to be associated with such a character.”
If the man kept mum about his Revisionist interests
AND the group he insinuated himself in were not sympathetic to Nazis
OR part of a right-wing culture who might have heard about his Nazi schtick,
THEN its not about people wanting to be associated with this character.
Its about what motivated this man to involve himself in the first place. He couldn't have expected to to hide his interests for long, nor have been surprised at the backlash once he was exposed. It is rare for a genuine Nazi sympathizer TO GO OUT OF THIER WAY, on their own, into a den of “enemies” of the White Race—which at last count was most of the sane people on the planet. The one thing that can be said about “White Power” culture is they prefer to keep to their own—a bit like survivalists. Eric Williams was almost certainly put up to this “job”.
It's pretty much a given when one sees a Holocaust “revisionist” involved, promoted, or excused, you have a flag that a deliberate attempt to inject Nazis material is in progress. Furthermore, given the ultra insular nature of the White Power/Neo-Nazis sub-cultures, the agenda has almost certainly NOTHING to do with “saving the white race”, and is probably all about smearing your activist group as Nazi sympathizers.
Which narrows the actors behind the 911truthers are Nazis smear campaign all the way down to the alphabet soups and their affiliates who have a history playing with Nazis:
[Aside-I seriously have a hard time believing anyone needs to infiltrate a Nazi group to help ORGANIZE NEO NAZI EVENTS? WTF? Gathering info to prevent crimes is one thing—being an organizer is all sorts of dodgey...]
When the Holocaust “revisionist” first pops up, if he's clever(and usually its a he), he won't start off with extreme stuff. He wants to feel the ground, see what his audience will put up with. He'll waffle about the accuracy of figures and “how can we know if people didn't make mistakes”. This is a legitimate historical concern—[u]that historians have procedures for dealing with[/u]. But he won't go there—he's trying to sound you out. He'll appeal to liberal fair-minded but naïve sorts, who take his questions at face value. If you don't volunteer your doubts about the Holocaust, he'll take a wait and see attitude. If you respond acknowledging his concerns and agreeing with certain points while making it clear being associated with Holocaust denial is not a smart thing, you'll be on the line—are you simply very clever at hiding it? Or are you trouble? If you respond with a clearly better understanding of history and sources than the revisionist himself, you will be marked as trouble.
And, very important—
if after sounding you out- -a third supposedly progressive party claims this individual has extreme right-wing sympathies—when he has just repudiated that claim
AND you have observed no evidence
NOR are you presented with evidence of this persons assertions—I cannot stress this strong enough--RUN FOR YOUR LIFE.
Allthose people are part of a crypto-Nazi network.
--The individual sounding you out.
--the third party(ies) because
a) the only way they would know more is if they had more knowledge than you do
b) that they are not volunteering and
c)they remain in the group with the Nazi sympathizer in question.
This sounds alarming but neo-Nazi/white power culture....
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