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Glenn Beck forum: Israel did 9/11

The 9/12 Project, which is Glenn Beck's loose-knit political organization, is promoting Alan Hart's slanderous charges that Israel destroyed the World Trade Center on 9/11 using "controlled ground explosives" and airplanes steered by remote control devices hidden in cell phones. Hart has claimed, first in an internet radio interview with Kevin Barrett, then in a radio interview with Alex Jones, that the world's foremost engineering firm has told him of the truth of this conspiracy. He also claimed that he is currently unable to provide any further information about this or to identify his sources because he doesn't have access to the computer in which that data is stored, although he characterized the story as "well documented". As implausible as his story is, Hart's tall tale has been repeated in a variety of forums, including Pat Buchanan's blog and the website of the Ron Paul campaign. (Previous posts about this are available here in the archives.)

Now the Glenn Beck crowd has joined in. Read here: Zionism: The Real Enemy of The Jews - The 9/12 Project (New York, NY) - Meetup.com

Here's what they've posted at Glenn Beck's 9/12 Project forum:

Greetings all,

Up until a couple of months ago I was always uncomfortable when someone criticized Zionist. I had mistakenly thought they were referring to all Jews and I try to avoid stereotyping. However, recently I have come to the understanding that Zionism deserves more criticism than anyone I know of has given it up until recently. Thanks to Mideast-expert, journalist-author Alan Hart, author of the book, Zionism: The Real Enemy of The Jews, the picture is now clear to me and the task ahead is also clear. We the people must take our government back.

Israel is much like the US in that the people, the Jews, do not control the government. Their government is controlled by the same Zionist criminals who control our government...they are better known here as neocons. I do not expect you to believe me, but if you have a yearning for the truth, spend a little time doing some real research away from the mainstream propaganda that we have been spoon fed. It appears to me that the Zionist are guiding us towards World War III.

This interview of Alan Hart by Kevin Barrett pulls back the curtains and exposes the lies we have been told: http://noliesradio.or... That statement is probably an oversimplification for those of you who have been prone to believe everything that comes from the government or their stool pigeons in mainstream media while discrediting everything from alternative sources. If you lack the truth seekers background research, you may need to read Alan's books to bring yourself up to speed.

Those of us who bother to look beyond the darkness of delusion into the light of truth are used to being thought of and sometimes even called conspiracy theorist or kooks. We have already dealt with the extreme discomfort that many will experience while listening to the above interview. Calling us names may make them feel better about the spoon fed ignorance they parrot, but the ignorance remains and the truth is all that really matters to us.

My original subject line was, It's Not the Arabs Stupid, but I decided that this subject matter is much too important to take the risk of offending anyone right up front and losing the chance for enlightenment. Our future is at stake, and it is not because of the Arabs, it is because of the Zionist. If you are as uncertain about what Zionism is as I was a mere few months ago, you could do much worse that spending some time at this site: http://nkusa.org/...

Here is a quick overview: http://www.nkusa.org/...

Scroll down at this site for an audio interview of Dr. Alan Sabrosky, under the title, 9/11 - The US Military Knows Israel Did It: http://www.informatio...

If you can deal with the discomfort, there is much truth that many of you have been unaware of up till now...excuses for staying in the darkness are just that, excuses.

Mike

Great minds think alike...

UPDATE #1 (May 30, 2010):  

Michael Eck, the Glenn Beck 9/12 Project forum member who posted this column, is a longtime, avid Ron Paul supporter. (Read here.) I guess that explains his avatar, a coin bearing the likeness of Ron Paul:


Article printed from Adam Holland: http://blogs.alternet.org/adamholland

If we are talking about explosives and 911 truth

then I say let the debate begin!

"Israel" didn't "do it"

I mince no words when it comes to my conviction that Zionist forces, including strong elements within the Israeli government were primarily responsible for the mass murders of 9/11/01, but that assertion that "Israel did 9/11" is unfair to the vast majority of Israelis who look upon those crimes with the same disgust and disdain that the rest of the world does.

Kerberos' Zionist Forces

Kerberos' "conviction that Zionist forces, including strong elements within the Israeli government were primarily responsible for the mass murders of 9/11/01"

So, this is your "conviction", but can you make a persuasive case for it in the court of public opinion? You haven't done so yet in your time on 911blogger as Kerberos, and it hasn't been done at any of the links you've posted. So how can you prove it beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law?

The public record is incomplete; yet you say you're convinced of your claim. You blame 9/11 on "Zionist forces;" while it seems likely there was a Mossad role in 9/11- art student spies, Urban Moving Systems, the high-fivers, etc.- and there are Jewish American Zionists in positions of power in the US who may well have used their influence to aid, abet and cover up the truth about the attacks- it hasn't been proven yet. What is clear is there's grounds for a full investigation, and the Establishment pols and media are pretending there's no important unanswered questions.

People like George Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condi Rice, John Ashcroft, George Tenet, Michael Hayden, Richard Myers, Ralph Eberhart, Montague Winfield, Colin Scoggins, Charles Leidig, Richard Blee, Tom Wilshire, Dina Corsi, Dave Frasca, Mike Feghali, Rita Flack and many others behaved strangely before, during and/or after 9/11 and have never been honestly called to account for their "failure" to defend the nation, though they had the power to do so, were charged with doing so, and some of them were aware of a plot in progress- some of them may be innocent, but some of them actively worked to thwart those in the FBI and NORAD/NEADS who were trying to disrupt the plot.

Some of these people may be sympathetic to Zionist ideology, and some of them may just view Israel as a convenient ally. However, are you including these people in your definition of "Zionist forces"? If you're unfamiliar with some of these names, you can research the public record at http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=911_project, where you will find many others connected to them, and all the events they're connected with.

When people say things like "Israel did 9/11" or "9/11 was a Jewish inside job", it's not likely they believe all Jews knew about 9/11 or would support it, though some may. In addition, "Israel" may be intended to mean the state, not the nation.

It seems unlikely that anyone could arrive at the conclusion you have, who doesn't harbor some prejudice against Jews. It's the same reason so many Americans have similarly strong convictions that "Bin Laden", "Al Qaeda" and "Muslims" did 9/11; they're prejudiced.

Please see the posts about Lauder...

Silverstein, Lowy, Kissinger, Rothschild, etc. The Zionist connections are irrefutable. Starting with the President of the World Zionist Organization's World Jewish Congress. Ronald S. Lauder, who has irrefutable and well documented ties to the Israeli Mossad.

Kerberos has provided nothing to justify his/her "conviction"

Kerberos: "The Zionist connections are irrefutable." and "my conviction that Zionist forces, including strong elements within the Israeli government were primarily responsible for the mass murders of 9/11/01"

In the above comment and below you've cited the names of some additional people (Rothschild is connected to 9/11? Haven't heard that one before) who should be investigated for potential complicity in the 9/11 crimes and cover up, yet you've provided no evidence, let alone proof, that they're "primarily responsible" for 9/11.

What is clear is that all these people are JEWS.

So, it seems you've got nothing to say about the incomplete list of WASPs in my comment, and their responsibility for "failing" to defend the nation- and possibly aiding and abetting the plot. Is it cuz they're not JEWS, or what?

How about the evidence linking Saudi Royals/GID or Pakistan ISI? (see historycommons.org) All the hard work the Bush Administration and corpse media invested in spinning, ignoring and covering up those connections doesn't pique your interest- let alone your "conviction"? Is it cuz they're not JEWS, or what?

WASPS?

Please define.

very well put

loose nuke, you make some astute and important points. Tho I don't think kerberos necessarily harbours prejudice against Jews, since he did say the assertion that "Israel did 9/11" is unfair to the vast majority of Israelis who look upon those crimes with the same disgust and disdain that the rest of the world does.

Obviously, we all know very little about the actual sponsors of 9/11, all we can be sure of is that the official conspiracy theory is bogus. Having said that, it is reasonable to infer that the culprits form a pretty tight-knit group that is well practiced and expert at secrecy and deception. And we certainly can identify suspect groupings, such as the PNAC, the neocons, the Vulcans (see James Mann, Rise of the Vulcans) But beyond such broad strokes, it's still pretty much all guess work, as far as I can see, figuring out the actual structure of this criminal network. I think only a full and proper investigation will get to the bottom of this.

"a full and proper investigation will get to the bottom of this"

"Obviously, we all know very little about the actual sponsors of 9/11, all we can be sure of is that the official conspiracy theory is bogus. ... I think only a full and proper investigation will get to the bottom of this."

I agree, the things that are clear is that there are too many unanswered questions, that a great deal of what is public proves the OCT is false, and that the people in the Bush administration, Congress and 9/11 Commission who put out the false version need to be investigated as well.

Pretend debunkers will sometimes the 9/11 Truth Movement of not having all the answers, but

1) it's not our job to answer the questions; it's our right and responsibility as human beings and Citizens to demand disclosure and accountability

2) it's the government that has the authorities, resources and responsibility to impartially investigate, prosecute and punish crimes

3) the government has failed to do so- those in charge of our nation's law enforcement, intel and defense before and on 9/11 were in charge of it afterward, and instead of investigating, they obstructed investigations and are blocking the public release of records and other evidence which could answer questions.

There will never be a real investigation while the Establishment is in charge of government. But making unsubstantiated claims such as "Zionist forces, including strong elements within the Israeli government were primarily responsible for the mass murders of 9/11/01," not only doesn't solve the crime, it gives the fake debunkers ammunition, and turns off people who don't want to be associated with people who make irresponsible and inflammatory judgments.

I don't know what it will take to change this system, but due to the 9/11 crimes and cover up- and the economic meltdown, the two invasions, and the subversion of the Constitution in the name of this bogus 'war on terror' (which is really a war for hegemony in geostrategic and oil-rich regions, and which is conveniently making enemies which are in turn used to justify the 'war on terror)- it's time to withdraw all support from the Democrats, Republicans and corporate media, and start supporting alternatives that are transparent and accountable.

Mission: Impossible

Kerberos,

If Air Traffic Control had done their jobs and notified NORAD within the time frame they were supposed to, then all four aircraft would have been taken out. So, are we to believe that the FAA was controlled by Zionists on 9/11? Are you suggesting the same thing with the Pentagon? Are we to believe that Zionist infiltrators deactivated the Pentagon's missile defense system on 9/11 and nobody noticed in time to take out Flight 77 before it crashed into the Pentagon? Talk about Mission: Impossible!

Are you sure all Zionists wanted 9/11 to happen? Are you sure some Israeli non-Zionists didn't want 9/11 to happen? I can think of a very good reason why some Zionists wouldn't want United States troops over in the Middle East, and why our troops over in Iraq and Afghanistan actually make Israel and America less secure.

Dean Jackson/Editor-in-Chief DNotice.org
Washington, DC

To some extent, yes

Steven E. Herbits was responsible for filling key positions in the Pentagon in the spring of 01. He was also a top official in the World Zionist Organization. Michael Chertoff - once connected by the umbilical cord to a Mossad agent - "In the minutes after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, while Attorney General John Ashcroft was rushing back from Milwaukee, Michael Chertoff was calling the shots." Chertoff is the one Bush credited with pinning the attacks on "Al Qaeda". Feith is another ardent Zionist inside the Pentagon. Then we have Perle, Cheney, Wolfowitz. Worthy of note is that a key person at the FAA on 9/11/01 was Monte R. Belger who was listed as "Vice President, Government Connection for U.S. Aviation Technology", a company founded by Ehud "Udi" Mendelson, who described himself as "a captain in the prestigious Army Intelligence Unit of the Israel Defense Force."

I could go on, and on and on.

Sorry, Doesn't Wash

Steven E. Herbits was appointed by Rumsfeld, he didn't INFILTRATE the Pentagon. If Herbits had been infiltrating Zionist agents into the Pentagon, then, as a former Secretary General of the WJC., our counterintelligence would have picked it up, and those infiltrators would have been gone.

Monte R. Belger is not the whole FAA and I don't believe he had the power to determine who works in the control towers!

Chertoff was only the chief of the Justice Department's criminal division. The decision to implicate al Qaeda for 9/11 was not made by him!

Which Zionist agents were responsible for the1993 WTC bombing and the bomb itself?

Dean Jackson/Editor-in-Chief DNotice.org
Washington, DC

...our counterintelligence would have picked it up...

You mean DIA, ONI, Army Personnel?

'investigators within the DEA, INS and FBI have all told Fox News that to pursue or even suggest Israeli spying through Comverse is considered career suicide.'

The Intelligence Community

Kerberos,

Yeah, we all know that. Witness the Israeli Mosad officers taking video of the towers being hit. That has nothing to do with counterintelligence, however. If the Israeli/Zionist agent is in the Pentagon, then we know about it, and if the agent is allowed to stay in place, then that means we want that agent there for some reason.

Dean Jackson/Editor-in-Chief DNotice.org'
Washington, DC

Because they have you by the short hairs

That's the gist of it. Anybody who wakes up and tried to do anything gets the kibosh.

The Leisure Class

Kerberos,

the United States counterintelligence community is always awake, and watching even you and me, even though they aren't supposed to!

If the Republic ends up in the drain, it'll be the fault of Blue Blooded Episcopalians, not relatively recent descendants of Jewish immigrants!

Dean Jackson/Editor-in-Chief DNotice.org
Washington, DC

tell me more

I typically eschew Alternet and Glen Beck alike... as far as I know, they both aver the official story of 9/11.

Has anyone detected any shift in the stance of either these two truth detractors?

http://www.nkusa.org/ blocked for gov users

The nkusa.org site is not accessible from within certain federal government networks. It is categorized as "discrimination". Your tax dollars at work, protecting your government employees from ideas deemed dangerous by those in control.

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