- The signals in figures 1a & 1b match the moment when the planes hit WTC1 and WTC2 respectively.
- The signals in figures 2a and 2b match the collapsing of WTC1 and WTC2 respectively.
- The signal in figure 2e shows the collapse of WTC7.
Determination/indetermination of the Temporal Shocks from the Point of Origin of the Signals.
In the five examples, the origin of the signals was attributed, by the seismologists who published the data, to the impacts of the planes and the collapses of the buildings (Kim et al., 2001; Irvine, 2001; Hoffman, 2006). A study of the propagation of such seismic signals really belongs to applied geophysics, which examines the distance of propagation in relation to the nature of the sources. Normally in this type of study, the time of origin is known with great precision (down to the millisecond), necessary in order to calculate the propagation speed of the different waves. That isn't the case here. In this case, the video used for the North Tower (WTC1) was from a recording made by CNN with a time stamp on the screen (Hoffman, 2006), and the results were compared with the method utilized by Lamont (Kim et al., 2001). A second method consisted of giving an approximate speed of 2km/s for a Rayleigh wave that traversed several stations (see figure 3) situated at various distances from the point of origin. The major inconvenience of this method is that the stations are not situated on a rectilinear line, that the surface terrain - in which the surface waves move - are different, and, moreover, they don't have the same speed of propagation. The Hudson River is located on a fault line that separates to the west the sedimentary terrains of the Trias and Jurassic, with intrusions of dolerite, all of which are covered by recent Holocene sediment; and to the east, the crystalline and metamorphic formations of the Proterozoic, the Cambrian, and the Ordovician eras that are found there. These last formations are more rapid than those found to the west, which explains why the path WTC-MANY, the only site to the east of the Hudson, was more rapid than all the other paths, situated to the west. The speed of these formations closely depend upon the sedimentary cover traversed. In other words, it isn't surprising to find that only the stations at Palisades (34 km), at Arny (67.5 km) and TBR (51 km) provide similar results because they are situated on similar geological formations. Also, the enormous indetermination of 2 seconds in the calculations fixing the time origin of each of the signals, attributed by the authors themselves (Kim et al.), oblige us to take some distance from the official conclusions.
Wave Graphs Attributed to the Planes Crashing Into the Towers
In the first place, we must pose a question about the meaning of such signals' function with the cause attributed to them. Although the cause of the two signals is similar, the crashing of a plane, the magnitude (reflected by the amplitudes) of the two signals is different and the wave generated by the two do not have the same apparent speed (see figures 1a and 1b), even if the Twin Towers could be considered identical in terms of the spatial origin relative to their distance from the recording sites. The calculation of the propagation speeds, as shown in the graphs of figures 1a and 1b, where the origin was fixed according to the corresponding crash, indicates 2900 m/s for WTC1 and 2150 m/s for WTC2: we are obviously dealing with Rayleigh waves. Even if they were considerably amplified, these signals could not have been generated by the crashes into the Twin Towers - the actual waves generated by the crashes were deadened before hitting the ground (assuming that we were dealing with the same (low) frequencies). Frequencies of waves generated by explosions are on the order of Hertz - which is the case here - while those of crash impacts are above 10 Hertz, often around 100 Hertz. Furthermore, the range of the recording instruments cited does not allow for the recording of such waves. As to the theory of the oscillation of the Towers to explain these signals, as defended by Irvine (2001), it doesn't hold water because in such a case we would have had a "square" signal of long duration and a constant amplitude, while in actuality we observe a "bell" signal, representing a strong and brief explosion, which is particularly evident in the case of WTC2.
To the degree that it is geophysically impossible to have two different propagation speeds for the same wave at the same frequency - because the surface waves are dispersive, which means that their speed depends upon their frequencies - travelling the same path at a few minutes interval, one must bow to the evidence that the supposed origins of the recorded waves are incorrect, and that they are not linked to the crashes but to another origin, such as an explosion, with a non-identical time displacement for the two towers in relation to the impacts of the two planes. As well, the difference in the magnitude of the two signals can only be linked to different parameters relative to the volume of explosives and/or their distance from the surface.
Wave Graphs Attributed to the Collapse of the Towers (fig. 2a, 2b and 2c)
While the Twin Towers have approximately the same mass, the same height and size, and the same type of internal structure (as well as identical points of origin of the wave in terms of distance to the recording station) the signals attributed to WTC1 (fig 2a) and to WTC2 (fig 2b), instead of being similar as one would suppose from the official thesis which attributes the source of the seismic waves simply to the collapsing of the Towers, they are in fact very different from the point of view of their "form", their composition and especially their apparent speed.
In fact, the recording for WTC1 demonstrates the three types of wave characteristic of a brief explosive source ("Dirac" type) confined in a compact, solid material: a P wave with a speed of 6000 m/s, the typical value for a very consolidated crystalline or sedimentary terrain (which is the case in the bedrock of Manhattan), an S wave with a speed of 3500 m/s and a surface wave with a speed of of 1800 m/s (Rayleigh wave). These values match with those registered by an earthquake or seismic drilling.
On the other hand, the recording linked to the WTC2 shows none of the type P or S waves observed for WTC1, but only the surface wave, for which the spreading of the amplitudes over the duration is different from that of WTC1. Relative to the determined origin of the signal, the propagation speed of 2125 m/s (Rayleigh wave) is also markedly different from that of WTC1. This wave seems to be followed by a second Rayleigh wave four seconds later.
We find the same thing in the figure for WTC7 where the calculation of the speed of the wave according to the determined point of origin is similar to a Rayleigh wave with a 2200 m/s speed. Note that the amplitudes are comparable to those of the waves emitted at the time of the crashing into the Towers by the airplanes. This wave seems to be followed by a second Rayleigh wave 6.7 seconds later.
Discussion
The problem of the above-named "displacements" between the time of origin of the seismic waves and the times that the planes crashed into the Towers, particularly that for WTC1, is certainly the key question which is emblematic of all the contradictions of the official version of September 11, 2001. In their publication on the Web (Kim et al., 2001), the LDEO published two different timetables of sources, which are indicated in the table below. The first timetable (LDEO [1]) is that furnished without the published graphs, then the LDEO modified them (LDEO [2]) to obtain coherent seismic speeds. What is the indisputable data here? There are two: the time that the waves reached the Palisades station, which is relatively easy to determine, and the distance from the WTC to Palisades (34 km). If the recorded wave is actually a Rayleigh wave, its speed is around 2000 m/s. Therefore, this wave was created 17 seconds before its arrival at Palisades. Where the problem deepens for the adepts of the official version is that the time for the source of the Rayleigh wave attributed to the crash into WTC1, which officially arrived at Palisades at 8.46.42±1, must in fact be 8.46.25±1! Compare that time with the times given in the first column of the table below.
The data given by the NTSB (National Transportation Safety Board) comes from radars at ground level and are reliable to one second. If we consider the time of the impact of the plane into WTC1 furnished by the NTSB, 8.46.40 (Ritter, 2002), the only reliable data because it doesn't come from any hypothesis, there is a hiatus of 15 seconds between the plausible time of the origin of the Rayleigh wave and the time - afterwards - of the crash of the plane into WTC1. What else but an explosion could be the origin for this seismic wave in the absence of an earthquake?
Concerning the generation of the seismic waves following the crash into the Towers by a Boeing, the transformation of the kinetic energy into seismic waves would only make sense if we were dealing with a crash between two full, solid, and in-deformable objects. In this case, the kinetic energy of a moving body would in part be transformed into heat and the rest would be transmitted to the pierced object in the form of vibrations, that is, seismic waves. However that is not the case here because we have two hollow and deformable objects. During the crash, the whole of the energy is transformed into heat and the deformation of the envelopes (exterior walls). In the case where a little mechanical energy would remain, the waves created in the pierced envelope would be quickly dispersed because of the absence of continuity in this alveolar envelope. The necessary condition for the creation of seismic waves by such a crash would be the direct impact of the central columns by a full body. Even if a Boeing engine had succeeded in hitting a central column, it would have been with an energy lessened by the envelope. In conclusion, even if a seismic wave could be created in a metallic column, it would hit the ground in the form of a sound, and as the passage from metal to rock is a refraction that absorbs energy, there wouldn't be much left to propagate in the ground.
Could the collapse of the towers be the source of these seismic waves? In the case of a crash on the ground that generates seismic waves, the enormous mass of the Twin Towers could hypothetically be taken into account if the Towers had fallen in a compact block, like a meteorite. But in the present case, it was scattered remains that fell, largely transformed into dust, and the fall lasted several seconds. We are far from a Dirac-type force that can create seismic waves; in this case, the magnitudes simply don't add up.
Given that neither the crash into the tower nor its vibration, nor the fall of debris can be the source of the seismic waves registered 34 kilometres away, and that the low frequencies could not have been provoked other than by explosions, we must research why the wave graphs are different. Various things must be considered. We must distinguish between subterranean explosions, subaerial explosions (close to the ground without touching it) and aerial explosions.
Subterranean explosions are similar to earthquakes in that mechanical energy is transmitted to the earth in the form of volume waves (P and S) - either directly in the latter case, or by conversion of the waves due to a cavity in the former case - and surface waves (Rayleigh and Love), when the signal reaches a solid-fluid interface (in the case of the atmosphere, for example) (Case 1). Aerial explosions give off all of their energy in the air (P waves, or sound waves), and what remains upon hitting the ground - if it hits it - is thus too weak to create volume waves (although there can be surface waves over a small distance) (Case 2). Subaerian explosions give off an energy that splits into sound waves, mainly in the air, and surface waves on the ground. The volume waves dispersed in the air don't end up lessened on the ground, but surface waves are certainly present (Case 3).
In brief, a subterranean explosion would not be heard in the air, but the ground would shake and initiate a series of waves (volume and surface waves), while if we hear an explosion, it is because it is either "aerial" and doesn't give a seismic signal, or it is subaerial and surface waves could be generated.
Therefore we can affirm that explosions qualified as "subaerial" were set off close to the base of the Towers simultaneously with the crashes into each by the planes. The sound coming from these explosions would have been mixed with the sounds generated by the impacts of the planes (Case 3). The Towers were thus weakened by the breaking of the load-bearing columns. The explosion at the base of WTC1 was heard by eyewitness Walter Rodriquez (2006) (see also Spingola (2005)).
As to the collapse of the Towers, we must distinguish between WTC1 and those of WTC2 and WTC7. Based upon the tips of waves coming from these last two towers, they underwent a very large "subaerial" explosion (Case 3), heard by witnesses. For example, regarding WTC2, a fireman witnessed an explosion before the building collapsed into an enormous cloud of dust (See [1]), apparently not too far from the base of the tower accompanied by flashes of light and noise, according to an "Assistant Commissioner" (see [2]). Another fireman, present at the base of WTC2, stated there was a large explosion about 20 floors below the impact zone of the plane just before the summit of the Tower collapsed (see [3]). These explosions were too high to generate volume waves in the ground, and the Rayleigh wave recorded probably comes only from the explosion closer to the ground. Among the other explosions heard at the base of WTC2 (Anonymous, 209), one of them generated the second Rayleigh wave four seconds after the first. The same thing happened at WTC7. A witness watching this tower heard something like a "thunderclap" that caused the windows to explode outwards, while the base of the burning building gave way a second later, before the whole building followed the movement (see [4]), aided by a second explosion that generated the second Rayleigh wave 6.7 seconds later.
As for WTC1, the collapse of which began after that of WTC2 in spite of the fact that it had been hit earlier, it was a subterranean explosion (Case 1) that preceded its collapse. This explosion was thus logically not heard by the witnesses outside at 10:28 EDT, except for those located next to the tower (see [5]), but it was "felt" by a camera filming the tower that was solidly on the ground and was shaken by the vibration of the ground at the moment of the explosion (see [6]). On the other and, it is also logical that the many explosions shown in videos in the upper floors before and during the collapse didn't provoke any seismic waves (Case 2) because of the fragmentation in time of the detonated energy with the multiplication of successive sources, each of which had only a limited force, insufficient to generate seismic waves in the ground.
Even if controlled demolitions do not create seismic waves (aerial explosions), it is useful to compare these observations with seismic data obtained during the controlled demolition of the Kingdome in Seattle (see Anonymous, 2009) and at Oklahoma City (US) (Holzer et al., 1996). The case of the Kingdome is particularly interesting because seismologists expressly asked that the explosions be measured (they wanted to take advantage of the occasion), and those in Oklahoma City were part of a reconstruction using explosives of the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah building. These two examples fit into Case 3 cited above, with a powerful subaerian explosion and the emitting of Rayleigh waves, and where the falling of the debris had no seismic consequences, even at distances under 34 km (less than 7 km and 26 km respectively). Only the seismic equipment situated close to the source during the reconstruction of the bombing in Oklahoma City reacted to the seismic energy created by the collapse of the building.
The local magnitudes (ML) that the seismologists calculated from the surface waves gave results that consolidate our analysis. Effectively, on the Richter scale, they were higher than 2 for the waves emitted at the moment of the collapse. It is impossible to get such a magnitude only from the falling of the debris, more especially over a duration of ten seconds!! Even if the entire tower had been compacted into a tight ball, it would have necessitated the speed of a meteorite, in any case, more than that caused by the Earth's gravity, to even approach such a magnitude!! Moreover, we must note that the magnitude attributed to the subterranean explosion at the WTC1 is ML=2.3 - comparable to the earthquake that hit New York January 17, 2001 (ML=2.4) - while the magnitude coming from the WTC2 explosion is ML=2.1, thus weaker, and this disparity - consistent with the explosions described - is particularly appreciable in this logarithmic scale. Given the Twin Towers were of similar height and mass, the falling debris should have generated similar magnitudes, if they were the source of the waves...
Note that applied geophysics knows how to generate seismic waves in the ground, using non-explosive sources such as "weight dropping" - which consists of letting a three ton weight fall to earth - or else using "vibrators" attached to the ground. But the energy of the waves developed in the ground are too weak for the waves to go further than several hundred meters.
The Relation between the Seismic Waves/Process of Collapse
Observation of the collapse of each tower shows they were each different, and this correlates with the corresponding measures of the seismic waves.
The collapse of WTC7 is the one that comes closest to a classic controlled demolition, with the successive collapsing of the floors starting from the base which had been weakened by a subaerial explosion. As for the Twin Towers, they were first weakened by explosions at their base at the moment the airplanes crashed into them. After that we must distinguish between the parts of the building above the impact zone of the planes and those located below. If the seismic waves couldn't have been generated by the small explosions visible in the floors (which allowed for the gradual collapse from the bottom up to the impact zone) then only a powerful explosion at the base of both buildings could have accelerated the process of total ruin and produce the observed seismic waves.
In the case of WTC1, FEMA (Federal Emergency management Agency) implicitly confirms this scenario. They note that "Review of videotape recordings of the collapse taken from various angles indicates that the transmission tower on top of the structure began to move downward and laterally slightly before movement was evident at the exterior wall. This suggests that collapse began with one or more failures in the central core area of the building." (FEMA, World Trade Center Building Performance Study, chapter 2). As this transmission tower was a lattice of I Beams posed diagonally, called a "hat stress", it connected the walls of the edge to the central structure between the 107th stage and the roof and therefore reinforced the centre structure. It also supported the tower installed on the top of the building. Contrary to the official version which declared that it was the hat stress that transferred the instability of the central columns to those of the perimeter, which then gave out after they were deformed because of the pulling of the floors, the logic of the events forces us to consider that the "rupture" of the central columns came from an explosive "cutting" prior to the collapse of the building.
Conclusion
At the moment of the impact by the planes on the Twin Towers and their collapse, as well as that of WTC7, seismic waves were generated. To the degree that (1) seismic waves are only created by brief impulses, and (2) that low frequencies are associated with an energy (magnitude) that is comparable to a seismic event, these waves undeniably have an explosive origin. Even if the planes' impact and the fall of the debris from the Towers onto the ground could have generated seismic waves, their magnitude was insufficient to be recorded 34 km away, and they should have been similar.
However, the composition and magnitude of the seismic signals show significant differences, above all in their propagation speed, even though their paths were identical under identical conditions. This last difference being physically unexplainable in the official version, we must put into question the calculation of the speeds effectuated from the origin shown on the video images. We can only conclude that in reality, the (explosive) source was manually detonated, thus accounting for the variable shift for each origin in relation to the videos.
The composition of the waves is revealing both in terms of the location of the source and the magnitude of the energy transmitted to the ground. The subterranean origin of the waves emitted when WTC1 collapsed is attested by the presence of the P and S volume waves along with the Rayleigh surface waves, which are present in all five explosions. The placement of the source of the four other explosions is subaerial, attested by the unique presence of Rayleigh waves. The aerial explosions visible on the videos of the upper floors of the Twin Towers do not produce seismic waves 34 km from the source.
There is a factor of ten between the power of the explosions at the time of the impacts on the twin Towers (as well as at the time of the collapse of WTC7) and the strength of those more powerful ones at the time of their collapse, the subterranean explosion under WTC1 being the one that transmitted the most energy to the ground.
Note as well that the degree to which the surface waves disperse (their speed depends upon their frequency), the duration of the recorded signal is not representative of the duration of the signal at the source.
Finally, the controlled demolition of the three towers, suggested by the visual and audio testimony, as well as by observations of their collapse, is thus demonstrated by the analysis of the seismic waves emitted at the moments of the plane impacts and at the moments of the collapse.
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Figures
(Please note that for reasons of readability, these figures are shown without modification of their scales, which have a relation of one to ten between the recording at the moment of the collapse of WTC1 and WTC2 and those at the moment of the impacts, as well as for the recording of the collapse of WTC7.)
(*) André Rousseau, Docteur d'État, is a retired researcher at CNRS where he studied the relations between the characteristics of progressive mechanical waves and geology. He published numerous peer-reviewed articles on geophysics and participated in numerous conferences, including selection committees. In this article he puts forward evidence that the seismic waves recorded on September 11, 2001 in New York are the result of subterranean and subaerial explosions that were part of the controlled demolition of the Twin Towers and WTC7.
Curriculum Vitae
André Rousseau
- Faculté des Sciences de Paris:
- Second cycle en Sciences de la Terre, Géophysique interne et externe,
- DEA de Tectonophysique-Océanographie,
- DEA de Géophysique Appliquée - Université de Rennes 2 : thèse de 3ème cycle
- Université de Bordeaux 1 : thèse d'Etat (voir ci-après). Ancien Chercheur titulaire au CNRS
List of Publications
Theses
[1] ROUSSEAU A. (1971) Géologie du Plateau continental nord-espagnol entre 2°20' et 3°35'. Considérations théoriques sur l'interprétation d'enregistrements de sismique-réflexion (sparker). Thése 3ème cycle, Université de Rennes, 146 p.
[2] ROUSSEAU A. (1980) Apport de la gravimétrie à la connaissance de la lithosphère du Bassin d'Aquitaine. Thèse d'Etat, Université de Bordeaux I, 98 p., 27 fig. H.T.
Publications
Participation a ouvrage collectif avec comite de lecture
[3] ROUSSEAU A. and JEANTET D. (1997) Some improvements in the processing of borehole acoustic signals for the characterization of geological structures. in "Modern Geophysics in Engineering Geology", editor : D. M. McCann, Geological Society Engineering Publication No. 12, p.75-88, London.
Reviews with Peer-review Committees
[4] DUPEUBLE P.A. et ROUSSEAU A. (1971) Stratigraphie des terrains affleurant sur le plateau continental nord-espagnol entre Santander et Guernica. C.R.A.S.,série D, 272, p.1952-1955
[5] BOILLOT G. et ROUSSEAU A. (1971) Etude structurale du plateau continental nord-espagnol entre 2°20' et 2°30' de longitude Ouest. C.R.A.S.,série D, 272, p.2056-2059
[6] ROUSSEAU A. (1976) Carte des anomalies de Bouguer dans la zone sud-orientale du Golfe de Gascogne (densité : 2,3). Bull. B.R.G.M. (2), II, 3, p.285-294
[7] MALZAC J. and ROUSSEAU A. (1978) A "processing density" to calculate marine bouguer gravity free of topographic variations in case of unknown bottom density. Geophysical Prospecting, 26, p.853-867
[8] MALZAC J. and ROUSSEAU A. (1982) Gravimétrie des Pyrénées ariègeoises : quelques conséquences structurales. Bull. Soc. géol. France, (7), t. XXIV, n° 4, p.739-753
[9] LAQUECHE H., ROUSSEAU A. and VALENTIN G. (1986) Crack propagation in mode I and mode II in Slate Shist. Int. J. Rock Mech. Min. Sci. and Geomech. Abst. Vol.23, No.5, p.347-354
[10] ROUSSEAU A. (1992) A new geodynamical model for the seismicity and in-situ stresses of the mediterranean region. Tectonophysics,202, p.183-201
[11] ROUSSEAU A. (1993) How to point out easily the data enclosed in the "full waveforms" (sonic logs). Examples from the Balazuc 1 deep borehole. Publications du BRGM (Documents n°223). VI Symposium international sur l'observation de la croute continentale par forage, p.319-333
[12] ROUSSEAU A. and JEANTET D. (1994) Contribution of the 3-D visualization of acoustic borehole signals (full waveforms) to a quick formation evaluation. Journal of Applied Geophysics,31, p.213-260
Conferences Invitées
[13] ROUSSEAU A. (1987) (communication invitée)
Application of the G.K.S. software to the study of signals : two examples in well-logging data processing. Colloque International de Bordeaux sur le Graphique et l'Image, 5-7 mai 1987, Université de Bordeaux I
[14] ROUSSEAU A. (1987) (communication invitée) Présentation de produit normé GKS : analyse interactive de spectres. Réseau REUNIR : réunion nationale sur la norme CGI, Lille, 6-8 oct. 1987
[15] ROUSSEAU A. (1989) (sur invitation) A new geodynamical model for the seismicity and in-situ stresses of the mediterranean region. International Symposium : Geodesy and Seismology : deformation and prognosis, Erevan (URSS), Oct. 1989
[16] ROUSSEAU A. (1995) (sur invitation) Contribution des diagraphies soniques à la caractérisation des formations géologiques traversées en forage (fracturation, compétence et porosité) et estimation de la qualité de la cimentation. Réunion Technique S.A.I.D., I.F.P. (Rueil-Malmaison), 7 février 1995, intervenant unique
[17] ROUSSEAU A. et MARI J.L. (1995) (sur invitation) Acquisition de données en forage : conséquences sur la modélisation. Journée thématique du Pôle Modélisation du Centre de Ressources Informatiques de Bordeaux I : Sols et sous-sols (6 Avril 1995)
[18] JEANTET D., MARI J.L. and ROUSSEAU A. (1996) (sur invitation) Use of borehole acoustic and seismic waves in environment geophysics. The Internal Congress on Environment/Climate (UNESCO), Rome, March 4-8,1996, p.89
[19] ROUSSEAU A. (1997) (sur invitation) Borehole acoustic signals and formation petrophysics : contribution and limits. EAGO / EAGE / SEG International Geoscience Conference & Exhibition, 15-18 September 1997, Moscow (Russia), abstract C2.5.
[20] ROUSSEAU A. (1998) (sur invitation) Borehole acoustic signals and formation petrophysics : contribution and limits. International Conference & Exhibition on Well Logging, SPWLA / EAGO / RGUNG, 8-11 September 1998, Moscow (Russia), Technical Abstracts F2.1.
[21] JEANTET D. and ROUSSEAU A. (1998) (sur invitation) A new method for calculating acoustic body wave velocities. First results. International Conference & Exhibition on Well Logging, SPWLA / EAGO / RGUNG, 8-11 September 1998, Moscow (Russia), Technical Abstracts B1.7
[22] ROUSSEAU A. (1998) (sur invitation) Diagraphies acoustiques et pétrophysique : présentation historique. Réunion Technique commune S.A.I.D.-Association Française des Techniciens du Pétrole, section Exploration-Gisement, 1 décembre 1998, I.F.P. (Reuil-Malmaison) : Apport des diagraphies acoustiques aux études pétrophysiques. Application aux réservoirs fracturés, anisotropie et modélisation. Lettre de la SAID n°129 (mars-avril 1999), Paris, p.3-4.
[23] ROUSSEAU A. et JEANTET D. (1998) (sur invitation) Vitesses ultrarapides des ondes de pression en domaine d'anisotropie de contraintes horizontales (formations compétentes). Réunion Technique commune S.A.I.D.-Association Française des Techniciens du Pétrole, section Exploration-Gisement, 1 décembre 1998, I.F.P. (Reuil-Malmaison) : Apport des diagraphies acoustiques aux études pétrophysiques. Application aux réservoirs fracturés, anisotropie et modélisation. Lettre de la SAID n°129 (mars-avril 1999), Paris, p.55-67.
[24] ROUSSEAU A et BARAUD R. (2003) (sur invitation) Caractérisation des décharges abandonnées par une méthode géophysique : le radar géologique. Présentation des Projets de Partenariat Recherche/Industrie (Conseil Régional et DRIRE d'Aquitaine), Pau, 17 juin 2003. Actes, Pôle Environnement Aquitain, p.26-30.
Congres et Colloques Avec Comite de Selection
[25] ROUSSEAU A. (1982) Structural deductions concerning the lithosphere of the Aquitaine Basin from the gravimetry of the vertical intrusions. Proc. of the 17th general assembly of the European Seismological Commission, Budapest, 1980. Rev. of the Hungarien Academy of Sciences, p.549-555
[26] ROUSSEAU A. (1989) Représentation 3-D de signaux acoustiques. Assemblée Générale du Club GKSBx, Montpellier, mai 1989
[27] ROUSSEAU A. (1990) Caractérisation géométrique de failles rencontrées en forage dans un granite, à l'aide d'une visualisation en 3-D des signaux acoustiques ("full waveforms"). Colloque : Diagraphies et Mécanique des terrains, Bordeaux, nov. 1990, p.67-88
[28] ROUSSEAU A. (1991) Apport d'une visualization 3-D des signaux acoustiques pour l'étude des terrains traversés par forage. Soc. Géol. Fr.-Soc. Int. Stéréologie : Journée du 8 février 1991, Paris. Objets géologiques : description quantitative et modélisation, p.77-80
[29] ROUSSEAU A. (1992) Contribution of the 3-D visualization of acoustic logs ("full waveforms") to the geological interpretation. VI Intern. Symp. Continental Scientific Drilling Programs, Paris, April 1992, P.227
[30] ROUSSEAU A. (1992) Using of 3-D sonic images ("full waveforms") in order to distinguish the main zones and characterize them ; the example of the deep borehole Balazuc 1 (Ardèche, France). VI Intern. Symp. Continental Scientific Drilling Programs, Paris, April 1992, P.229
[31] ROUSSEAU A. and JEANTET D. (1993) Contribution of the 3-D visualization of acoustic borehole signals (full waveforms) to a quick formation evaluation. Intern. Symp. on Applications of Geophysics to Environmental Problems, Lausanne, April 1994, p.56-57
[32] ROUSSEAU A. and JEANTET D. (1994) Caractérisation des fractures par visualisation 3-D des diagraphies acoustiques. Réunion Technique S.A.I.D., Schlumberger (Montrouge), 5 avril 1994 : Diagraphies et formations fracturées.
[33] ROUSSEAU A. and JEANTET D. (1994) Some improvements in the processing of borehole acoustic signals. 30th Annual Conference of the Engineering Group of the Geological Society (Liège, sept. 1994) : Modern Geophysics in Engineering geology, p.243-260
[34] JEANTET D. and ROUSSEAU A. (1995) Body wave dispersion in formations crossed by boreholes : consequences on velocity calculation. Proceedings of 1rst Meeting Environmental and Engineering Geophysics, European Section, 25-27th Sept., Torino (Italy), p.222-225
[35] ROUSSEAU A. (1996) Characterisation of formation heterogeneities by new parameters of borehole acoustic waves. Proceedings of 2nd Meeting Environmental and Engineering Geophysics, 2-5th Sept., Nantes (France), p.31-34
[36] ROUSSEAU A. (1997) Two causes of the deformation of borehole acoustic full waveforms : resonance and distortion. EAGE 59th Conference and Technical Exhibition, 26-30 May 1997, Geneva (Switzerland), extended abstract P177
[37] JEANTET D. and ROUSSEAU A. (1998) A new method for calculating acoustic body wave velocities : First results. Proceedings of IVth Meeting of the Environmental and Engineering Geophysical Society, 14- 17 September 1998, Barcelona (Spain), p.613-616.
[38] JEANTET D. and ROUSSEAU A. (1999) 3D visualisation of borehole acoustic signals using animation techniques. GEOVISION 99, International Symposium on Imaging Applications in Geology, University of Liège (Belgium), p.133-136.
[39] ROUSSEAU A., BARAUD R., and JEANTET D. (1999) 3D imaging processing of borehole acoustic signals applied to GPR signals. GEOVISION 99, International Symposium on Imaging Applications in Geology, University of Liège (Belgium), p.205-208.
[40] ROUSSEAU A., BARAUD R., and JEANTET D. (1999) Contribution of the 3D display of GPR signals in a noisy environment. Proceedings of Vth Meeting of the Environmental and Engineering Geophysical Society, 6-9 September 1999, Budapest (Hungary), Gr5, 2p.
[41] ROUSSEAU A., and JEANTET D. (1999) Signaux acoustiques en champ total (full waveforms) et pétrophysique. Journées Scientifiques de l'ANDRA 1999, Nancy, 7-9 déc. 99. Résumé des Conférences et des Communications par Affiches, p.67-69
[42] ROUSSEAU A. (2000) Consequences on body wave velocities of the stress distribution modifications around a borehole. EAGE 62nd Conference and Technical Exhibition, Glasgow, Scotland, 29 May-2 June, Abstract D-43.
[43] ROUSSEAU A. (2001) Relationship between acoustic body waves and in situ stresses around a borehole. EAGE 63rd Conference and Exhibition, Amsterdam, The Netherlands,11-15 June 2001, Extended Abstract M-029.
[44] ROUSSEAU A. (2003). Horizontal stress anisotropy determined from acoustic full waveforms in borehole. EGS-AGU-Joint Assembly, Nice, 6-11 April 2003, Geophysical Research Abstracts, Vol.5, 03564, 2003, European Geophysical Society 2003
Autres Reunions et Publications Scientifiques
[45] ROUSSEAU A. (1977) Anomalies de Bouguer dans le S-E du Golfe de Gascogne : quelques déductions structurales en fonction du champ gravifique du Bassin aquitain et des Pays basco-cantabriques. 5ème Réunion Annuelle des Sciences de la Terre, Rennes (19-22 avril 1977)
[46] ROUSSEAU A. (1978) Anomalies gravimétriques circulaires : méthode permettant l'unicité de solution avec abaques par la détermination successive des paramètres du cylindre vertical : rayon, profondeur de la base et du sommet, densité. 6ème Réunion Annuelle des Sciences de la Terre, Orsay (25-27 avril 1978)
[47] MALZAC J. and ROUSSEAU A. (1978) Method of computing a "processing density" variable in the horizontal space, for setting up Bouguer gravity free from broken topography. 5th European Geophysical Society meeting, Strasbourg (29 august-5 sept.1978)
[48] ROUSSEAU A. (1979) Calculs des profondeurs et des densités des intrusions verticales du Bassin Aquitain et de ses environs. Déductions tectoniques et structurales sur la lithosphère de cette région. 7ème Réunion Annuelle des Sciences de la Terre, Lyon (23-25 avril 1979)
[49] MALZAC J. et ROUSSEAU A. (1979) Méthode de calcul d'une "densité de traitement" variable dans l'espace horizontal, pour l'établissement d'anomalies de Bouguer affranchies d'une topographie accidentée. 7ème Réunion Annuelle des Sciences de la Terre, Lyon (23-25 avril 1979)
[50] ROUSSEAU A. (1979) Circular gravimetrical anomalies : method permitting to know separately the geometry and the density of a vertical cylinder (unique solution). EOS, American Geophysical Union, vol.60, 32, p.565 (6th European Geophysical Society meeting, Vienne, 11-14 sept.1979)
[51] ROUSSEAU A. (1980) Structural deductions about the lithosphere of the Aquitain Basin from the gravity of vertical intrusions. 7th European Geophysical Society meeting, Budapest (21-29 august 1980)
[52] MALZAC J. et ROUSSEAU A. (1981) Gravity of the Central Pyrenees (France) : an example of its usefulness for resolving some tectonic problems. 8th European Geophysical Society meeting, Uppsala (24-29 august 1981)
[53] LAQUECHE H., ROUSSEAU A. and VALENTIN G. (1984) Crack propagation in mode I and mode II in Slate Shist. 10th European Geophysical Society meeting, Louvain-la-Neuve (30 july-3 august 1984)
[54] AMOKRANE K. et ROUSSEAU A. (1986) Reconnaissance et surveillance par diagraphies soniques et mécaniques. GRECO Rhéologie des Géomatériaux : rapport scientifique 1986
[55] ROUSSEAU A. (1987) A conjectural explanation of some seismic observations in the mediterranean region ; a new hypothesis and its quantitative analysis after comparing the seismicity, the geoid and the Earth's surface present motions of the mediterranean region. A possible key for seismic prediction in this region. Ed. IUT A de Bordeaux, 49p., 30 fig. H.T.
[56] AMOKRANE K., ROUSSEAU A., AZZOUZ R., FAUGERAS J.C. et BACONNET C. (1987) Structure spatiale de la variabilité des propriétés des sols : fonctions d'autocorrélation et analyses variographiques. GRECO Rhéologie des Géomatériaux : rapport scientifique 1987
[57] MORLIER P., ROUSSEAU A., AMOKRANE K. et DUCHAMPS J.M. (1988) Analyse statistique des diagraphies de forage. GRECO Rhéologie des Géomatériaux : rapport scientifique 1988
[58] ROUSSEAU A., and JEANTET D. (1999) Signaux acoustiques en champ total (full waveforms) et pétrophysique. Poster présenté au 9ème Congrès International de Métrologie à Bordeaux, 18-21 oct.1999
[59] ROUSSEAU A., and JEANTET D. (1999) Peut-on construire des capteurs de pression azimutaux fonctionnant en milieu fluide pour l'acquisition de trains d'onde complets en forage ? Poster présenté au 9ème Congrès International de Métrologie à Bordeaux, 18-21 oct.1999
(Online)
[60] ROUSSEAU A (2005) A New Global Theory of the Earth's Dynamics : a Single Cause Can Explain All the Geophysical and Geological Phenomena.
[61] ROUSSEAU A (2005) Relationship between acoustic body waves and in situ stresses around a borehole.
[62] ROUSSEAU A (2005) Is the San Andreas Fracture a bayonet-shaped fracture as inferred from the acoustic body waves in the SAFOD Pilot hole?
[63] ROUSSEAU A (2005) Comparative study of P and S wave amplitudes of acoustic logging through solid formations : contribution to the knowledge of in situ stresses and fractures
[64] ROUSSEAU A (2006) Model of horizontal stress in the Aigion10 well (Corinth) calculated from acoustic body waves
Graphs at website
I also found the CV of Dr. Rousseau succinct - In this article he puts forward evidence that the seismic waves recorded on September 11, 2001 in New York are the result of subterranean and subaerial explosions that were part of the controlled demolition of the Twin Towers and WTC7.
Recommended Reading
1) Note the website hosting this essay:
"SOTT is the 'news' arm of a cult that specializes in communication with extradimensional entities and separating followers from their money. Previous 9/11-related contributions from sott.net include the widely circulated "Pentagon Strike" flash video and an epic treatise on how 9/11 truth is mostly disinformation, except for Judy Wood."
For more information on the organization, see:
Laura Knight Jadczyk's Cassiopaea Cult
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2) SOTT has attacked Jim Hoffman as "Cointelpro"
i.e.,
Jim Hoffman - Booby Trap For 9/11 Truth Seekers
By Joe Quinn
"We found Hoffman's arguments and conclusions in the following article to be based on anything but facts or reason. In fact, in making his case, Hoffman even resorts to using the same twisted logic employed by the Bush administration to justify the war on terror. From magical disintegrating airplanes to mysterious "detonation waves", it seems CoIntelPro is in full swing when it comes to the 9-11 Truth Movement."
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3) Jim Hoffman is cited in this article however, Jim's actual essay which essentially refutes the claims is in the title of a link that goes elsewhere on the 911Research site.
The reference is this --
"Hoffman J. (2006) : Seismic Records of the Twin Towers' Destruction: Clarifying the Relationship Between Seismic Evidence and Controlled Demolition Theories"
But it links to this --
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/collapses/freefall.html
That actual essay by Jim Hoffman, Clarifying the Relationship, is here --
Seismic Records of the Twin Towers' Destruction:Clarifying the Relationship Between Seismic Evidence and Controlled Demolition Theories
by Jim Hoffman
Version 0.9, Oct. 31, 2006
Introduction
The total destruction of each of the Twin Towers produced seismic signals that were recorded by at least 5 seismic observatories within 60 miles of lower Manhattan. The published charts from the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, New York, have been cited as evidence supporting the following two claims:
* Each Tower fell completely in 10 seconds or less
* The largest seismic spikes preceded the fall of each Tower
Both of these claims can be found in a large cross-section of literature challenging the official story. The first claim is also accepted by many defenders of official collapse theories, and is even found in the 9/11 Commission Report . In this essay I will examine these widely-repeated claims and show that, despite their popularity, they both lack supporting evidence and are contradicted by verifiable evidence. I will, however, also show that the seismic records do support the case for controlled demolition, but in a way that has been overlooked.
I have previously addressed both claims on these pages:
* Speed of Fall: A Timeline for the North Tower
* ERROR: 'The Towers Collapsed in 10 Seconds'
* ERROR: 'Seismic Spikes Preceded the Towers' Collapses'
* Popular Mechanics' Assault on 9/11 Truth: Seismic Spikes
In this essay I will provide a more focused and complete exposition of these issues.
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/demolition/seismic.html
Citizens campaign using seismic evidence
The Citizen's Campaign for a 9/11 Grand Jury Investigation is using this seismic recording evidence, which connects to the testimony of William Rodriguez about explosions in the basement prior to planes hitting the tower. Plus it connects to the evidence of explosives found in WTC dust and (impossible fire-induced) near free fall speeds of the 3 NYC steel-frame high rise collapses.
The evidence keeps mounting as the deception of truth continues to lead us down into a world of ruin and war.
I will link to this from www.FlybyNews.com and to citizens campaigns. Thanks for all taking actions..
Building 7 was NOT "near free fall" - it WAS free fall
This is VERY IMPORTANT.
One can argue what "near" means - but one cannot argue with the fact that NIST certified free fall - NOT "near free fall" - but "free fall" for 2.25 seconds.
Exactly.
Building 7 fell at free fall for the first 2.25 seconds. That means that over 100 feet of the building provided NO (ZERO, ZILCH, NADA) resistance. As Shyam Sunder of NIST said "a free fall time would be an object that has no structural components below it"
The only thing I know of that can remove all structural components out of the way fast enough to archive this situation is explosives.
Crackpot Analysis
zmzmzm,
why do you keep repeating this falsehood? NIST didn't admit free fall WITH resistance! NIST divided the collapse of WTC 7 into three stages. NIST then said that the second stage (the 2.25 seconds stage) of the collapse was free fall BECAUSE the column supports had already buckled in stage 1.
Several months ago I wrote what NIST said, but as usual no one read it! SHAME ON YOU! This is the THIRD time I've had to make this comment.
Yes, NIST's analysis is crackpot, but they gave a crackpot explanation none the less! Your duty is not to say NIST admitted free fall. Your duty is to show how NIST's claim of free fall is utter crackpot:
http://norcaltruth.org/2010/06/01/reward-5000-%E2%80%93-10000-wtc7-911-c...
Dean Jackson/Editor-in-Chief DNotice.org
Washington, DC
HUH? Just the fact that NIST admitted free fall is significant !
NIST and others have tried to say that Building 7 did not experience free fall. zmzmzm is correct when he says THIS IS IMPORTANT. NIST had to admit free fall, after David Chandler pointed it out, it was impossible to refute. Of course NIST tries to obfuscate the fact of free fall but the model and explanation does not however match observations. However, just the fact that NIST admitted free fall is significant in itself.
Where Is David Chandler?
Tony,
NIST only admitted free fall where there was no resistance underneath. Again, NIST divided the collapse of WTC 7 into THREE STAGES. The Second Stage NIST said was free fall because by the end of the first stage of collapse all the columns underneath had buckled. NIST doesn't admit free fall with resistance underneath, they admit to free fall ABSENT resistance underneath. Do you understand the significance of the difference?
Dean Jackson/Editor-in-Chief DNotice.org
Washington, DC
Free fall == no resitance (so dont be dense)
Free fall means no resistance.
DO NOT DISCUSS WTC WITH NOVICES TO 9/11 TRUTH!
Tony says,
"Free fall means no resistance."
Response:
Yes, and in NIST's Second stage of collapse NIST says there is no resistance. That's my point!
Folks, this is just one example of the complexities of explaining the WTC to novices to 9/11 Truth! If we can't get it straight, how the hell is a novice going to understand it?
Dean Jackson/Editor-in-Chief DNotice.org
Washington, DC
People understand what free fall means.
It is obvious to anyone. NIST describes a scenario of deformation that would necessitate a collapse that would be less than free fall and their animation does not jive with free fall. NIST can hand wave all they want. I do not have a problem with talking to anyone about it.
1. NIST tried very hard to dispute free fall and failed
2. Even with a controlled demolition you do not always get a free free fall state.
3. Getting to a free fall state where there is any resistance is impossible.
4. The whole of the building accelerated at free fall symmetrically not just a portion.
5. NIST's Explanation for Building 7's Destruction does not conform to reality. (and is therefor false.)
You Have To Be Precise When Quoting NIST
Tony writes, "It is obvious to anyone. NIST describes a scenario of deformation that would necessitate a collapse that would be less than free fall and their animation does not jive with free fall. NIST can hand wave all they want. I do not have a problem with talking to anyone about it."
Response:
Then tell people what NIST actually said. In it's technical reports (which David Chandler didn't read before he said NIST admitted free fall!) NIST explains the Stage Two free fall; the floors have no resistance because by the end of Stage One the columns underneath had buckled (see my last comment to zmzmzm).
The link below should have the 2.25 seconds explanation in detail. It should be in the 'NIST NCSTAR 1-9: Volume 2' or the 'NIST NCSTAR 1-9A' supplements. For some reason I can't open those PDF files:
http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/NCSTAR1-9index.htm
Dean Jackson/Editor-in-Chief DNotice.org
Washington, DC
How do you know David did not read the NIST report?
What make you say that he did not read the NIST report? Or are you just making things up?
I have read NIST report and it does not jive with observations of how building 7 behaved. What NIST calls stage one, the time between the first sign of downward movement and free fall, is less than a second, Whereas NIST claims a far longer period (almost 2 seconds) Are you saying that the fact that NIST admitted free fall after their version of stage one in some way makes more their explanation more valid? The stage that is demostratably shorter than what NIST claims?
I don't think anyone here is saying that NIST doesn't understand the concept of free fall. What we are saying is that even NIST had to admit free fall because it is a fact. A fact that they and others tried very hard to deny.
Final Draft vs. Technical Reports
Tony writes, "What make you say that he did not read the NIST report?"
Response:
I believe David Chandler didn't read the pertinent technical report where NIST discusses the three stages of collapse of WTC 7, which would mean David relied on the Final Draft only.
Dean Jackson/Editor-in-Chief DNotice.org
Washington, DC
So how did the "columns underneath" collapse at free fall?
Obviously, the "columns underneath" would have had to collapse at free fall in order to get out of the way of the "columns above" fast enough for them to collapse at free fall.
If the "columns underneath" collapsed any slower than free fall, then the columns above could not collapse at free fall because the columns below would be in the way and provide resistance.
So how did the "columns underneath" collapse at free fall? Please don't try to answer this. There is no answer other than an external energy source.
NIST's WTC 7 Stage Two Is Crackpot
zmzmzm,
Hey, don't ask me to explain NIST's crackpot analysis. NIST's analysis still doesn't make sense [to me]. I'm just telling you what NIST said.
NIST says the columns underneath buckled by the time of the Stage Two collapse sequence. That's how NIST explains the 2.25 seconds free fall of Stage Two. NIST is asking us to accept that the columns underneath waited for the last column to buckle during Stage One before Stage Two collapse commenced (otherwise we would have seen a progressive collapse moving sequentially around the building)! Far from explaining the collapse of WTC 7, NIST's 2.25 seconds free fall explanation earns NIST the continued contempt from us that it deserves.
Dean Jackson/Editor-in-Chief DNotice.org
Washington, DC
Good reason to make a big deal of WTC 7
Can anyone come up with a mechanism by which all perimeter columns of WTC 7 remained intact, no deformation, not a window broken, while the internal columns collapsed one after another until nothing was left but the shell?
I don't think so. Surely at some point the collapsing floors would have pulled some external columns inward, as is shown in the NIST reconstruction video. This deformation should have been observed anywhere in the height of the building, but was not.
Let us pretend that such a mechanism exists. Can anyone then come up with a mechanism by which all the perimeter columns near the ground suddenly decide to buckle simultaneously? Would this not require that the internal columns and floors simultaneously remove support from the external columns? Can anyone come up with a mechanism whereby this very asymmetrical building would have set the external columns free simultaneously?
I think not.
If there is no mechanism to explain the observation then stage 1 of the NIST report is complete bunkum. Something other that progressive collapse of the internal structure must have set the building free to fall with an acceleration of g. This free fall, now admitted by NIST, is highly significant. It commenced even though there could have been no progressive collapse mechanism to explain it.
Furthermore, NIST only managed to create the "stage 1" part by choosing a point near the centre of the building, where the demolition initiated. If you look at the corner of the roof, there is no stage 1, it just accelerates at free fall, virtually from the start. The support columns of this section clearly could not have buckled as buckling provides resistance in the early stages - they were severed.
It is appropriate to talk about free fall to the newcomer provided the impossibility of stage 1 is also explained, as I am sure most people do.
Positive Psychological Mindset
Frank says, "It is appropriate to talk about free fall to the newcomer provided the impossibility of stage 1 is also explained, as I am sure most people do."
Response:
I would prefer the novice to 9/11 Truth to come to NIST's WTC imbecilities later, after he/she has been introduced to simple to understand mainstream media accounts of government malfeasance, such as:
1. Operation Northwoods;
2. The 1993 WTC bomb being a FBI bomb (also that FBI agent John Anticev...involved in the 1993 WTC bombing... was the main investigator for the 1998 American embassy bombings in Africa!);
3. The 9/11 Commission Report contradicting NORAD and Popular Mechanics about NORAD's true monitoring capabilities over the United States;
4. Lawyer David Shippers' account of three FBI agents who came to him six weeks before 9/11 with the exact scenario that happened on 9/11 (which independently confirms Sibel Edmonds' account that the FBI knew all about the attacks...from one of their best sources in the Middle East...as of April 2001); and
5. Kurt and Lori Haskell's affirmation of the botched false flag attack last Christmas.
When the novice to 9/11 Truth is finished researching the above talking points (which can be found in non-9/11 Truth literature), then the novice can delve into WTC research. When the novice then delves into WTC research, he/she does so under the mindset that what 9/11 Truth says about the WTC is truthful, because the five talking points above are verifiably truthful.
Dean Jackson/Editor-in-Chief DNotice.org
Washington, DC
Links Broken
All the links in the above are relative links and take you to a 404 error back here on blogger.
Can you post at least one link to the site where these files reside please?
Edit
Doh!
The link at the top takes you there!
technical and a bit confusing
I am not a geophysicist.
did the researcher see explosions before the planes hit? did the plane hit look like signature of other explosions or was it unique? could the plane hit have been augmented by an explosive charge? where the explosive signatures of the towers the same as WTC7? does this research paper confirm the work of movie maker (sorry forgot his name) that described explosions and calculated time from his camera position in New Jersey?
any help explaining this in lay terms would be appreciated.
The plane impacts and falling debris could not cause
seismic signals of 2.1 plus to be picked up 34 kilometers away. Only an earthquake or a large near to or underground explosion could generate enough force in the ground to cause those signals, and that is the essential point of the paper.
Rick Seigal
(sorry forgot his name)
This voted down because I know his name and typed it.
We all know Seigal is an opportunistic ASS.
two velocities
My sense was that there were two different velocities calculated for what should be the same wave motion, which is impossible. The starting time for one of the waves must therefore be at fault. Not sure if I am reading something into it, so I shall give this another read.
Suspect Site
I agree with Victronix above. I also found UFO crap on the site.
Maybe the author should submit to the Journal of 9/11 Studies and/or other.
John Lear believes in some "very far out" stuff
Does that disqualify him as an expert in aviation?
I think not.
Facts are facts, and must be judged and tested in their own right - regarless of which "site" they are on.
At theII risk of being cast into hell w/Judy Woods, I just
need to say.....there is something to unidentified flying objects. ok, there, I have outed myself. Whew.....I feel much better, it's so....liberating. Thank you all for accepting me as I am.
I have no idea if SOTT is intentional disinfo, complete whackjobs or trying their best to be honest brokers, but I feel we in the truth movement need to be open minded enough where having secret desires of the UFO kind does not ipso facto make a person incapable of contributing to The Truth.
I know we must be very careful not to be easily conflated with crazy fringe ideas as our enemies could and would use such connections against us. I have been in "the movement" since early 2002 and have never mentioned my deep dark secret before, and will not again but.......
there's something happenin here
what it is aint exactly clear
I am tempted to list a mountain of books and articles the curious could peruse to bolster my claim but will just mention one. In May of 2001 the Full Disclosure Project held a little shindig at a place called the National Press Club. Please check it out on youtube. They had another in 06 or 07 that was not nearly as impressive.. Or choose to ignore, thats fine too....UNLESS you plan to flame me, then I think its only fair if you watch it first.
Full disclosure: I also am 100% certain that reincarnation is real and Atlantis did exist.
Again, I understand the danger of getting 911 Truth tied to these other "crazy" ideas and will not mention them again so please do not lecture me. Thank you all for allowing me to be who I really am. I was tired of living a lie. It feels wonderful to finally come out of the closet, like a huge weight has been lifted.
Thanks 911blogger family for accepting me as I am.
I check http://www.sott.net/ daily
http://www.sott.net/
as well as these:
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/index.php
http://dissidentvoice.org/
http://rawstory.com/
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/
Re-phrase What I said
(Edit: Meant to respond to camusrebel's comment.)
Hi, CR. How's that harmonica?
Let me re-phrase my view on the publication:
I think that having the paper published at journalof911studies would offer some validation. I also see the association with other topics, such as UFOs, as being detrimental to the focus on the ideas presented in the paper.
That's the best I can do. I don't want to flame anybody or even flame SOTT. My apologies for taking away focus from the paper.
"If my thought dreams could be seen ......
they'd probably put my head in a guillotine ........"
Bob Dylan
Other Publications?
So SOTT translated and posted the article but it was originally posted at reopen911.info? I didn't see the original posted there, but I am clueless with French. Was it written exclusively for that website or was it published in a trade or other publication. It seems like that this should be able to pass peer review if it could be submitted in any of the American trades of similar profession. Paper's like should be appearing in professional journals and publications.
This was excellent read, I will look forward to reading the useless rebuttals that will try to debunk it.
peace all
dtg
Breaking new ground?
I enjoyed this article also. I think it opened up new areas for investigation. Other papers have been written on this topic, particularly about the government's fudging of the data to make its timelines work. But they seemed to leave a lot up in the air. This paper focuses attention on what appears to be new territory.
critique
A comment on this paper from an email --
"The writing is clearly designed to evoke an air of authority, as in the recitation of geological details, none of which figure into the argument. That argument amounts to a set of assertions that the signals were too small, not timed correctly, etc. etc., most of which aren't backed by even the pretense of the crudest quantitative analysis. Given the lack of documentation, it's purely an argument from authority. "
If you don't understand how the author arrived at the claims this article is making, does it make sense to promote it directly to the public? It's unfortunate, then, this was put on the front page of this site .
If someone within the movement is making the above critique (that is one small excerpt), how can activists defend the claims, if they don't understand them? Can activists point to the calculations that support the claims, and if they could, do they understand how they apply?
Seismic waves are not a simple phenomenon and we are again dealing with data provided by government sources (I'm not saying government sources are compromised at all, only that we did not measure the waves ourselves).
We could measure the speed of Building 7 fall ourselves.
We can SEE the explosions of the towers as they were destroyed.
Seismic signals are not those. They are complex and the original data is not a simple thing to interpret that we can easily just see. Can you tell me what the average error is for seismic radar data? If not, how do you know the relevance of what this author is writing (i.e., his conclusions could be explained by error)?
In some cases, seismic data is pretty clear. In this case it is not so clear.
This needs to be properly vetted and should not be being promoted to activists and the public.