WikiLeaks founder drops 'mass spying' hint
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/06/22/2933892.htm
WikiLeaks founder drops 'mass spying' hint
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WikiLeaks co-founder Julian Assange. (Colbert Report)
WikiLeaks co-founder Julian Assange has given his strongest indication yet about the next big leak from his whistleblower organisation.
There has been rampant speculation about WikiLeaks' next revelation following its recent release of a top secret military video showing an attack in Baghdad which killed more than a dozen people, including two employees of the Reuters news agency.
Bradley Manning, a US military intelligence officer based in Iraq, has been arrested on suspicion of leaking the video but it is also claimed that Manning bragged online that he had handed WikiLeaks 260,000 secret US State Department cables.
In an interview with the ABC's Foreign Correspondent, Mr Assange said cryptically of WikiLeaks' current project:
"I can give an analogy. If there had been mass spying that had affected many, many people and organisations and the details of that mass spying were released then that is something that would reveal that the interests of many people had been abused."
He agreed it would be of the "calibre" of publishing information about the way the top secret Echelon system - the US-UK electronic spying network which eavesdrops on worldwide communications traffic - had been used.
Mr Assange also confirmed that WikiLeaks has a copy of a video showing a US military bombing of a western Afghan township which killed dozens of people, including children.
He noted, though, it was a very intricate case "substantially more complex" than the Iraq material WikiLeaks had released - referring to the gunship video.
European news media are reporting that Mr Assange has "surfaced from almost a month in hiding", speaking at a freedom of information seminar at the European parliament in Brussels.
But during the course of the past month, Mr Assange has been talking to Foreign Correspondent for a program examining the efficacy of the WikiLeaks model.
"What we want to create is a system where there is guaranteed free press across the world, the entire world, that every individual in the world has the ability to publish materials that is meaningful," he said.
Whistleblower speaks
The program has also spoken directly to former computer hacker Adrian Lamo who blew the whistle on Bradley Manning after a boastful online discussion in which Lamo alleges the military intelligence adviser revealed himself as a significant WikiLeaks source.
"He proceeded to identify himself as an intelligence analyst and pose the question: What would you do if you have unprecedented access to classified data 14 hours a day seven days a week?" Mr Lamo said.
"He (Manning) was firing bullets into the air without thought to consequence of where they might land or who they might hit."
WikiLeaks has built an information repository it thinks is foolproof. Instead of secret documents physically changing hands, they are anonymously sent to digital drop boxes and stored on servers around the world. Finally, they are posted on the WikiLeaks site.
During Foreign Correspondent's assignment Mr Assange had been preparing to fly to New York to meet his hero - Daniel Ellsberg - the former US military analyst who leaked the Pentagon Papers which amounted to a devastating expose of the Vietnam War.
Instead, concerned about travelling in the US and attracting the interest of authorities, he used Skype to speak to the conference.
He told the crowd: "Leaking is inherently an anti-authoritarian act. It's inherently an anarchist act."
Mr Assange has been quoted as saying he feels perfectly safe in Europe, "but I have been advised by my lawyers not to travel to the US during this period".
Daniel Ellsberg, named by Henry Kissinger as "the most dangerous man in America", told Foreign Correspondent that Mr Assange was "a good candidate for being the most dangerous man in the world, in the eyes of people like the one who gave me that award".
"I'm sure that Assange is now regarded as one of the very most dangerous men and he should be quite proud of that."
Truth or Dare, Foreign Correspondent's examination of Julian Assange and WikiLeaks, airs tonight at 8PM on ABC 1
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original thoughts but
you need proof regarding your accusations of the "shady bunch" . As I have said before for the sake of humanity I hope you're wrong. Perhaps you're right and time will tell if Wikileaks doesn't.
Good questions, but keep it civil
camusrebel, back up your accusations with links, and refrain from using insults; you've violated the spirit of the rules, and this is the second time you've been warned: http://911blogger.com/rules
"For all we know, brave souls in NEADS, FAA, NORAD, Secret Service and/or FBI have sent these posers "smoking gun" type bombshell material, only to be quietly murdered, material destroyed. It is possible.
Potential whistleblowers....if you must use WLeaks, at least send several copies to other sites with instructions that if WLeaks does not run it in a reasonable timeframe , they should."
True enough and good advice; and you can make these points w/o using terms like "poser", "clown" and twisting his last name.
"Rougue CIA, Mossad, Soros crowd much more likely"
This is your opinion- but you've provided no evidence to back it up, and on top of that, you've repeatedly resorted to insults, ad homs, accusations and insinuations. If you can find any evidence showing that Assange or wikileaks are not what they claim to be, post it.
Meanwhile, there's a huge archive of records on their website that it's in the public interest to have, including the never before seen video of US soldiers killing unarmed civilians and reporters in Iraq, an episode which the US military had covered up and lied about- same situation with the about to be released video of over 100 Afghanis getting slaughtered. It's your opinion this means nothing and has done nothing, but there are many others disagree- this video has gotten close to 7 million views in about 2 months http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0 and MSM have been compelled to cover it. It has confirmed what many already knew, and has likely opened and changed many other minds.
Yes, we don't know who Assange really- and we don't know who Manning really is, either- we don't know if he's really the one who leaked the videos, or if he provided cables to wikileaks- maybe he did- but there are some strange elements to this story:
The strange and consequential case of Bradley Manning, Adrian Lamo and WikiLeaks
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/06/18/wikileaks/i...
so, again- make your points and raise your questions- and do it w/o insults and evidence-free accusations.
This goes for all 911blogger commenters- and if anyone ever sees any posts that violate the letter or spirit of the rules (including mine), please contact news.911blogger AT gmail.com- if you use an alternate email it'll be anonymous.
Thank you for your cooperation
thanks for the reminder LN, after all
what would this movement be without a strict adherence to fact based evidence.
I apologize for leaps of imagination and vitriolic speculation.
One day soon hopefully I can accept the fact that my "gut feeling" is not a link others can post to for confirmation of anything tangible.
I have been banned from many sites(mostly for 911Truth advocacy, but also my pugnacious style) and I have not been bothered in the least. But if I was ever foolhardy enough to face such a fate here, it would really sting. From now on I'm a regular Joe Friday, "Just the facts Maam"
At least you got an explanation
Some people get banned here for things they never even realize they should be banned for - then the site changes hands, and a request to be un-banned does not get honored, or an explanation given for why.
The bottom line?
We are ALL in search of the truth, no matter how ugly, no matter who we insult, no matter who gets offended, it really doesn't matter because name calling on a message board will NEVER equate to the mass murder committed at the WTC, Pentagon or wars resulting from 9-11. The point is that we ALL should still be FREE to voice our concerns, our ideas, our theories, in a respectful manner, about what we believe to have happened, and we should ALL be able to VIEW and DISCUSS what those ideas represent. Censoring that is sad, and unfortunately equates to covering up the truth since it does not harbor a sincere exchange of information.
camusrebel, we all understand your passion. That does not excuse insults, but what happened here allows me to underscore the need for us ALL to participate in a discussion about truth, liberty and the pursuit of justice. It really doesn't matter who you believe was responsible for 9-11, don't you all believe we should ALL be FREE to express that belief here??
I am almost certain this will get me banned, and I really don't care at this point. If making sense gets me banned from this site, I am in the wrong place.
Dave Nehring
Dave Nehring
Yes, " we all should still feel free to voice our concerns, our ideas, our theories, in a respectful manner ..... censoring that is sad .... If making sense gets me banned from this site, I am in the wrong place. "
back in May on the thread " 9/11 Pentagon Eyewitnesses - Plane Hit the Building ", Jbax was allowed to insult me and speak of me as if I was an agent! Having called me insane for simply and respectfully encouraging us all to trust our individual inquiry into 911, his post was removed. And then he just continued on. Jbax -",I'll stand by my words - all of them. ". .. "though I expect a sh*storm to follow this post for saying so ( and I walk a fine line to satisfy the Mods) it could very well be possible that the site/movement could be becoming hijacked by anti-truthers posing themselves as, let's just say, less than-rational-sounding-personalities which would detract from the seriousness of our plight and make us seem more like stereotypically flakey tin-foil-hat flower children. " He was referring to me and , no, the only sh*storm that followed his insulting posts were people who are very intelligent and interested in voicing their theories and ideas respectfully, were banned without any explanations! I was not banned because I am only a flower child!! Btw. I fight bullets with roseflowers!! Pretty dangerous am I!!!
So thanks Dave for your timely post. And really this place seems to be purging itself of any mention of CIT or Israel's involvement in 911. I have loved coming to this site, sharing and learning and inquiring into the hidden world of September 11th, 2001. But it seems that this may not be the place to truly uncover ALL of the lies!!
Lillyann
Related to your ongoing off-topic complaints
Someone asked you a question right here.
Clarification
Regarding insults, I have understood that rule as forbidding any directed at others who post and comment on this site. But does it in fact mean that we also are not supposed to express negative opinions about some of the subjects of posts (those not posting or commenting, but posted about and commented on)? In other words, I have thought that using a term like 'clown' would be a problem only if the person at whom it was directed (in this case Assange) was himself a participant on this site. But is it in fact also a problem if such terms are used about him when he is merely the subject of a post?
What gets covered and what doesn't
One thing I feel confident about: If they were to leak anything helpful to the cause of 9/11 truth, many of the very same alternative media outlets that are giving them attention now wouldn't touch the story with a ten-foot pole--as usual.
On that note, hopefully Manning was astute
enough to make copies of at least most explosive cables. Wonder if they got the ol waterboard going?
Oh, and please spare me the wailing about
how wonderful they were to release the "Colateral Murder" tape. Like the whole world didn't already know they targeted journalists and have already slaughtered over ONE MILLION innocent civillians.
What did the video change, concretely? Whose actions were altered one iota? Nothing and Nobody's.
Talk to yourself much?
Talk to yourself much?
"Judge a tree by its fruit"
and so far WikiLeaks has done well.
I need not tell fellow 9/11 truthers that we are in a war for public opinion. WikiLeak's Iraq video may have not yet changed history, but it has given a hard jolt of reality to the public's view of this illegal war.
So instead of preemptively bashing them with vague and unproven accusations, let's see what WikiLeaks does next.
all tools for whistleblower supported
helping whistleblowers in this computer age is a good thing. Knocking down those who help expose atrocities to help bring the public closer to the war they are funding. is a good thing.
jonathan
www.flybynews.com
Titles or articles on this subject from FN:
06 April 2010 - Democracy Now!
Massacre Caught on Tape:
US Military Confirms Authenticity
of Their Own Chilling Video
Showing Killing of Journalists
Children and innocent civilians harmed!
Collateral Murder
WikiLeaks has released a classified US military video depicting the indiscriminate slaying of over a dozen people in a suburb of New Baghdad -- including two Reuters news staff.
12 April 2010 - Democracy Now! - Josh Stieber
"This Is How These Soldiers Were Trained to Act"
- Veteran of Military Unit Involved in 2007 Shooting Says Incident Is Part of Much Larger Problem
An Open Letter to the People of Iraq
Two soldiers from Bravo Company 2-16,
the company depicted in the video, have
written an open letter of apology to the Iraqis
who were injured or lost loved ones during
the attack that, these former soldiers say,
is a regular occurrence in this war.
http://www.lettertoiraq.com/
07 June 2010 - Wired - 911blogger
US Intelligence Analyst Arrested
in Wikileaks Video Probe
11 June 2010 - 911blogger- Kevin Poulsen and Kim Zetter
Wikileaks Commissions Lawyers
to Defend Alleged Army Source
'As feds hunt for Wikileaks' Julian Assange in hopes of preventing him from publishing diplomatic secrets, Samuel P. Jacobs talks
with Pentagon Papers whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg about why he should stay out of America and why some things should be kept secret.'
11 June 2010 - The Daily Beast - Samuel P. Jacobs
'Assange Is in Some Danger'
07 April 2010 - Online Journal - Jerry Mazza
Killing Baghdad civilians and Reuters journos from the air! If the statues of Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, and our forefathers could speak, they would scream in anger at us for this descent into barbarism. It makes this writer sick to his stomach.
12 April 2010 - Colbert Report - Stephen Colbert
Julian Assange entitled the Apache helicopter video
"Collateral Murder"
to get maximum political impact?
Is ignorance bliss?
Yep... Wikileaks beats mainstream media journalism.
I am glad to see these Wikileaks reports.
It puts the issues out in the forefront.
Justice for Bradley Manning Petition
If you would like to sign the petition you can find it here: http://www.petitiononline.com/manning1/petition.html
signed the petition
however, there is really no evidence that manning was the one who leaked the massacre video or the missing 260K cables. Wikileaks claims it doesn't think it has the cables etc. All we know is this guy was bragging in a chat room right? Wikileaks might try to defend him just on the perception that it would generate etc. These are interesting times eh.
Agreed. No actual evidence yet.
Here is an interesting article about Assange, Manning, Lamos and WikiLeaks by Glen Greenwald: The strange and consequential case of Bradley Manning, Adrian Lamo and WikiLeaks
Source: http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/06/18/wikileaks
Strange times indeed.
Already signed!
Thanks for the link.
i believe the term i am looking for is
"honeypot"
Do I have rock solid evidence WLeaks is a nefarious bunch of ne'er do wells?
No.
Have they ever published one scintilla that would propel our cause further on down the line to victory?
No.
Can I explain why my spidey sense is all a tingle over these guys? Well, maybe not to everyone's satisfaction but I should make the attempt.
When I did some research on Assange the main points
I walked away with were he grew up poor and remained so into adulthood. He was an extremely sucessful teen-age hacker. As often happens in these cases, he got in some trouble with Johnny Law.
So, where did the start up money come from? Did he cut a deal to keep his Assange out of prison?
Then I read an article in a recent New Yorker about him. Very flattering. Glowing. Perhaps a tad over the top. It was written by some character named Raffi Katchadourian. This guy is a product of the Nitse SAIS, where folks like Brezinski and Wolfowitz have been known to hang out. Not really a hot bed of muckraking journalism. Reading bios of the faculty you run into many CFR refs.
Katchadourian also wrote a New Yorker piece on the bloodbath in Iraq. It reads like a love sonnet to some cold blooded killers.
Is Raffi Katchadourian a Mockingbird plant. I'm as free to speculate as the next person and to me it smells bad.
Cleary none of this would stand up in court. My BS detector has been going haywire on this WLeaks org from day one (and I'll admit I do not have an excellent reason why) but in the past it has behooved me to pay it heed.
Yes, as a matter of fact, I do rather enjoy
talking to myself. I'm just saying, ok, you cant publish all 260,000 cables, I get it.
How bout like...i dont know....3? That would still leave Soros or whoever is really behind it 250,997 US embassy messages to blackmail your enemies with.
If Sibel Edmonds is leery about this outfit perhaps we should hold off on the ticker tape parades.
Many sites are busy singing the praises of everything Assange. Maybe here we could at least wait till they add something in our quest for TRUTH, or a new investigation.
Camus, I'm not saying that
Camus, I'm not saying that I'm completely in line with your "radar" in this case, but I do think it's unfair how quick everyone here is to judge you. One would think such an avante guarde community such as this would know better (deep down they do). But we live in a world in which people don't like to be disagreed with. Myself included. It just feels yucky when we feel we are right. In this case, I think you have every right to express your feelings of dissent. I don't have to agree with them to feel that way. I've learned a valuable lesson throughout my life, and that is...unless and until one is verifyably proven, TRUST NO ONE. And this wikileaks thing (in terms of public awareness) is relatively...no, VERY new. I don't know this Assange guy from a hole in the wall. I DO know there are double-agents in the world and I haven't the foggiest idea of what this man's real intentions are. One thing you said though is very true. And that is that thus far, nothing has come from this organization which advocates for the truth regarding 9/11, which is MY personal issue of choice. Does that make me self-centered. I guess in a way, but mostly I feel that 9/11 truth is THE MOST important political subjectmatter ON THE PLANET. Sure releasing the Collateral Murder video was great, but absolutley, what has transpired so far with regard to that video? Nothing. Business continues on as ususal. That was "like, so April". I do hope that this new Afghani video is released and that it has more traction than what the previous one did. Unlike yourself, I'm not yet judging Assange. He may be a great man who just hasn't discovered 9/11 truth yet. Or had any leaks to his organization concerning this topic. I just don't know. It's not just for ANYONE to judge anyone until they are proven. Assange, for all intents, is still very much...a rookie. Compromise people? Yes? Group-think...no? Oh, and....the real victim in this case is Manning. And I can't even prove that THAT was or wasn't staged. Have you people seen The Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus? How about an oldie Twilight Zone episode? Scooby Doo maybe? Truth is stranger than fiction and I don't rule ANYTHING out until I see and hear with my own fuckin senses. All I do know is that the 9/11 truth movement is now several years old and I'm growing very impatient waiting for/working toward critical mass. Very impatient.
Thank You T&J, and while I'm out here on some
thin ice (in many here's opinion) I may as well skate further.
Over the last few weeks I have heard a lot about the lovefest between Assange and Daniel Ellsberg.
Ellsberg was a hero of mine for most of my life. Recently I have been forced to take a second and third look at the guy and his many CIA associations. Some of his best friends were agents and many people question his motives for releasing the PP's.
Jesse Ventura's recent book leaves a lot to be desired, especially in the MLK chapter, but in the Watergate chapter he touches on some of Ellsberg's ulterior motives. Much more, better sourced and explained material at various sites open to a curious person's googlebility.
Birds of a feather etc.
Like the old blues song says, "Nobody loves me but my Momma, an she might be jivin' me too"
Peace
Ellsberg
I have recently wrote on another post too, that Col. Fletcher Prouty did say in his two books ("the Secret Team" & "JFK") that Ellsberg was very much likely CIA material. And he does make a convincing case.
For those who don't know, Prouty is the man from which the Mr. X character is based upon in Oliver Stone's JFK movie. However, since Prouty is now gone, we could never ask him what he knew exactly. And, as I had said in that same post, Prouty was likely CIA material himself at one point or another, so it's hard to be sure of anything in that regard. But I can't summarize all he conveys about Ellsberg, so please read the book(s) if you can and let me know what you think...
For this reason, although I have been extremely enthousiastic about Assange and Wikileaks in the past, I had to calm down a little when Ellsberg got into the picture suddenly, as a hero of Assange... Ellsberg comeback to the media stage seems strangely sudden... Is it just me, or had he been out of the news for a very long while?
CD
The Most Dangerous Man in America: Daniel Ellsberg and the Penta
The Most Dangerous Man in America: Daniel Ellsberg and the Pentagon Papers - Trailer
A handful will do
I really don't care about the actual number of cables - a handful of superb leaks will do, if it ends a war, hangs a few traitors, or at least puts some perps behind bars until hell freezes over. We need the truth to come out on all fronts.
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