Digital Journal: 9/11 Truth: Time to review post 9/11mentality and face reality?

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Opinion: 9/11 Truth: Time to review post-9/11 mentality and face reality?

Posted Oct 17, 2010 by  Bill Lindner
9/11 Truth: As more evidence obliterating the Government's 'official' 9/11 fairy tale emerges, demands for investigation into the truth about what happened that day are growing. When do we review the post-9/11 mentality and face reality?
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September 11, 2001, was the exclamation mark in modern history which will be remembered, the obvious sign of a drastically changed global dynamic.

The public demand -- backed by former senior intelligence officials, former members of Congress and other government officials -- for a real investigation into the terrorist attacks of 9/11 is growing, and there is no sign of them going away any time soon. Why? Because, for many, it's common knowledge that the official story from the 9/11 Commission is admittedly full of lies and false information and has fallen apart.


An excellent essay by Elizabeth Woodworth explains the principles of evidence-based medicine (EBM) and how it could be applied to an investigation into the attacks of 9/11. The effects of 9/11 are far from over as the U.S. Government has used those attacks to declare its fraudulent, endless 'War on Terror', and has shrouded itself in suspicious secrecy to keep its illicit actions covered up. There are many good reasons to investigate the attacks, and more evidence continues surfacing showing that the official story is seriously flawed and full of holes. It's important to understand the events of that day and how it has affected us.


For years the Government has claimed that public knowledge of certain things would endanger 'National Security.' That's a lie. The vast majority of those bogus claims arise due to the Government's need to keep evidence of their crimes covered up and to avoid embarrassment and accountability. The G.W. Bush administration relied heavily on 'National Security' claims to cover its ineptitude and malfeasance, and the Obama administration has picked up right where its predecessor left off.


The 9/11 Commission admitted that their final version was full of lies -- saying that "at some level of the Government, at some point in time...there was an agreement not to tell the truth," and that any real attempts at investigating the truth were blocked by George W. Bush's administration. To anyone that has investigated the attacks themselves, this is not surprising. The only thing the 9/11 Commission 'investigation' proved is that the Government lied to keep massive crimes covered up, as well as the fact that the government will not investigate itself. The implosion of World Trade Center building 7 -- which the BBC reported as collapsing twice before it actually did -- is not mentioned anywhere in the Commission's report. There have been many highly-credible people who question what happened on 9/11. People also tend to forget that Bush asked Senator Daschle to limit an investigation of the 9/11 attacks. Naturally, the Senator complied. Neither would have done that if they weren't trying to hide the truth.


We've been told that 9/11 changed everything, but it didn't: The illegal invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq were planned before G.W. Bush was illicitly appointed to the presidency by a politically corrupt Supreme Court. Iraq's oil fields were made a national security priority by Vice President Dick Cheney before 9/11. The PATRIOT Act was planned and written long before 9/11. The illegal power grabs and subversion of Democracy by the Bush administration were dreamt up long before the attacks of 9/11. Illegal spying on Americans by the Government -- spying that has continued to this day unabated -- began several months before the attacks of 9/11. In fact, illegal spying isn't being used to keep us safe. It's being used to quash political dissent and to blackmail other politicians. The list goes on and on.... 9/11 didn't change everything. The Bush administration's complicity in allowing those attacks to happen did. Illegal actions conducted by an illicitly appointed President and fraudulent elections resulted in destroying human rights, freedom, and the rule of law, virtually creating a never-ending police state.


The Project for the New American Century (PNAC) was a right-wing Neocon think-tank whose members comprised George W. Bush's administration. The PNAC dreamt of establishing a global American empire to bend the will of all nations and wrote about a new Pearl Harbor that would allow them to implement their illegal plans. Members of the PNAC ran the Pentagon, the Defense Department and the White House. Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Richare Perle and Paul Wolfowitz were just a few of the members of the PNAC that held high positions in Bush's administration. The PNAC was co-founded by William Kristol and Robert Kagan in 1997, with roots to the 1992 Pentagon. Many of Bush's policies were based on white papers written by the PNAC. As with his presidency, most of Bush's policies were failures.


Media has censored the facts of 9/11 for more than 9 years


When Iran President Ahmadinejad told the United Nations (UN) that most of the world believes the U.S. government was involved in planning and executing the 9/11 attacks, he wasn't lying. The well planned cover up of the attacks of 9/11 would not have been possible without the involvement of the CIA and Mossad. More on that can be found below. Keeping the truth hidden and buried would not have been achieved had it not been enabled by the complicity of the U.S. establishment media. The fact that 23 nations walked out while Ahmadinejad gave his speech is repeatedly noted by establishment media, but the fact that 163 nations stayed is ignored.


News is censored. Only six corporations decide most of what we read, hear and see. The White House, under the Bush administration, furthered by the Obama administration, has turned America into a dictatorship under the guise of keeping Americans safe from terrorism. Conveniently omitted from the equation is the fact that few if any acts of terrorism happen without the direct involvement or knowledge of officials in the U.S. Government. Al-Qaida was created by the CIA. Most of the Al-Qaida and Taliban groups are funded, trained, and supplied by the CIA or one of their other assets, with U.S. taxpayer dollars, and the 'security threat' these 'terrorist' groups pose is greatly exaggerated. In fact, if you look back, for the past six to eight years, 'terrorist' threats have 'increased' during our election cycles. The facts of 9/11 have been censored for more than 9 years now, which isn't surprising when you consider the fact that our political and economic systems have been hijacked by organized corruption and theft, and our establishment media oftentimes misinforms the public. Gone are the days of being able to go to the New York Times or the Washington Post with leaked information. Instead of investigating and publishing the truth, they check with the government first to clear what they can feed or hide from the public. Establishment media is now the lapdog for the government. So much for honesty and integrity...


Many remain uninformed about the CIA's dubious history of committing and creating terrorism under the orders of the White House and others in Washington because it's purposely ignored by establishment media, and because the CIA is also heavily involved with establishment media and information manipulation. For years the U.S. has committed all kinds of crimes against humanity with total impunity, usually with very little mention in the establishment media. These crimes are committed in America's name. There is no mystery as to why much of the world hates America. Citizens pay the price for the Government's deadly, illegal deceptions, not the politicians responsible for them. In order to justify perpetual wars like the "War on Terror," real terrorists have to be created. As Mark Phillips recently noted, "Beware of Governments trumpeting terror threats." When the Government does trumpet terror, the establishment media mindlessly picks up comments -- usually lies or propaganda -- from anonymous Government "sources" and trumpets it as fact with no questions, and no regard for the truth.


There are so many fallacies from the Government about what happened that day that it would take several articles to document them all, so we'll just focus on some of the more important facts. There are more questions about the attack on the Pentagon that aren't addressed here either. To begin to understand the fateful events of that day, you need to understand the U.S. relationship with Israeli officials, which is very dark and very sordid. Many Americans remain blissfully unaware of the billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars given to Israel each year courtesy of the U.S. Government, and how our elected officials have defrauded America for the past three decades.


Before I elaborate -- due to the games played by certain factions that own the U.S. Government -- I need to clarify that I am talking about corrupt Israeli, and American officials, some of which hold dual Israeli-American citizenship, not religion or the Jewish people. Criticizing these corrupt officials is not anti-Semitic as many would try to have you believe. Neocons and Zionists with dangerous radical beliefs and philosophies constantly try to dissuade conversation of certain topics due to the fact that overwhelming evidence points to their guilt with bogus claims of 'Anti-Semitism.' Those claims are nothing more than tricks they always try to use to weasel their way out of responsibility for their criminal actions. Most of America's problems stem from the corrupted collusion between Israeli and American officials with these Neocon and Zionist beliefs and agendas.


For years, the U.S. Congress has been hijacked by a record number of Zionists whose loyalty and dedication to Israel has endangered America. Many of those hold high Committee chairs and run America's affairs. It's become painfully obvious the past decade that the U.S. Congress has sold out the Americans they allegedly serve. California alone has 10 representatives who have a strong allegiance to Israel. For a history of Israeli control of America, see this article from Veterans Today. In his America First Committee Des Moines Speech, Charles Lindbergh, referring to Israeli leaders, said "Their greatest danger to this country lies in their large ownership and influence in our motion pictures, our press, our radio and our government." Lindbergh said those words on 9/11/41. Those words are even more relevant today.


Israeli intelligence has spied on the U.S. with total impunity for years


In an interview with Scott Horton, Lawrence Wilkerson, former Chief of Staff to Secretary of State Colon Powell, stated that there are people in the Pentagon, right now this minute, who are working for Israel. There is no need to wonder why the Pentagon would want to continue waging illegal wars and trying to goad the public into going to war with Iran. For decades, the Pentagon has served Israel, not the troops it keeps needlessly slaughtering. The Israeli execution of an American on board the Gaza flotilla has been confirmed by a U.N. report, yet you can bet that the U.S. will deny it and do nothing about. Until Americans wake up to the truth and magnitude of the Israeli stranglehold over American foreign policy, nothing is going to change.


Israel's intelligence agencies have illegally spied on the United States for decades, and continue doing so to this day. During the attacks of 9/11 Israeli companies were in charge of airline security and are still responsible for most telecommunications security in the U.S., giving them easy access to virtually all phone records originating in the U.S. Virtually anything that has to do with security, intelligence, spying and so much more involves Israeli agencies. According to Philip Giraldi, numerous Israeli air-travel security companies are known to act as local Mossad stations. Some of the hatred being currently directed at Muslims is courtesy of Mossad agents impersonating U.S. intelligence, possibly in preparation for more false flag operations.


A Mossad surveillance team consisting of five individuals -- later dubbed the Dancing Israelis -- set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers before the attacks, and were seen congratulating each other afterwards. Witnesses reported that these men were seen jumping for joy after the initial impact. These men, who all failed multiple polygraph tests, were arrested and held for a few days before being ordered released by none other than "Homeland Security" Secretary Michael Chertoff who holds dual Israeli-American citizenship. Two months after the attacks, three of the five Dancing Israelis appeared on Israeli TV and admitted that they were Mossad and they were there to document the attack.


Despite Israeli foreknowledge of the attacks, and despite the lack of evidence, the U.S. immediately began pinning the attacks on Osama bin Laden. Robert J. Loewenberg, President of the Israeli Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies (IASPS) published a letter online before the U.S. began trying to blame bin Laden, inadvertently revealing that Mossad was in part a player in the 9/11 false flag attacks. Loewenberg's letter highlighted the intent of the attacks and what they expected to gain from it. It's rather ironic that G.W. Bush would try to pin the attacks on Osama bin Laden when both families have a long history -- a history that went back for more than 20 years. Members of the bin Laden family were flown out of the U.S. at taxpayer expense right after the attacks occurred.


After the attacks, the U.S. Government claimed that 19 men of Middle Eastern decent hijacked planes to fly into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. These men were allegedly hand-picked by Osama bin Laden, despite bin Laden being hospitalized with Kidney failure -- he was visited by the CIA and the military, who knew where he was at all times -- the night before the attacks occurred in Palestine. Of these 19 alleged 'hijackers,' at least 7 of them are still alive. The U.S. Government fictitiously created these hijackers as a diversion, proving yet again that the 'official' story of 9/11 is full of holes. Osama bin Laden reportedly died in December of 2001, but Washington had to keep his ghost alive to manipulate their fraudulent 'Global War on Terror.' The government has purposely lied about not knowing bin Laden's whereabouts for years. U.S. 'intelligence' has once again tried to claim that al-Qaida released an audio tape of bin Laden...


More evidence that explosives brought down the Twin Towers


Recently, after a freedom of information act request and threat of a lawsuit, the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), who repeatedly lied to cover up obvious claims that demolitions were used to bring down three World Trade Center buildings, released a lot of video and other evidence -- three terabytes of material -- involving the attacks of 9/11. There was already a lot of hard evidence showing that explosives had been used to topple the towers. Material released by the NIST revealed the sound of multiple explosions from the twin towers as they fell. Molten metal was reported by firefighters who were at the scene after the towers fell. Scientific forensic investigations into uncovered evidence revealed that the official 9/11 story is false, and that we have been deliberately mislead. Who told the NIST to lie, and why? It appears the NIST purposely tried to manipulate evidence to hide the fact that explosives brought down those towers and killed a lot of innocent people. Aiding and abetting the treasonous acts of those they served is a crime.


Residues and unignited fragments of nanothermite -- a high-grade military explosive -- were found in debris from the twin towers. Thermite melts and vaporizes steel. Only the Government and the military have access to thermite. The discovery of Thermite in the WTC dust reveals yet more scientific proof that explosives were used to implode those buildings, killing almost 3,000 innocent people. In fact, three explosions from the basement of the towers before a plane hit it were reported.


Bush admitted to seeing the first plane hit the WTC on TV, despite the fact that he was in a classroom in Florida when it was first shown to the public. Either he had access to a stream of it hitting the building before it was made public or he knew well in advance what was going to happen. Former Secretary of State Donald Rumsfeld inadvertently admitted that Flight 93 was 'shot down.' Claims of people receiving phone calls from passengers on board hijacked flights have already been proved false. Stories from top Bush officials were always changing as they saw fit.


Many are unaware that Marvin P. Bush, G.W. Bush's younger brother, was a principal in Securacom (now Stratasec), the highly-secretive company that provided 'security' for the World Trade Center, United Airlines and Dulles International Airport -- all of which were key in the attacks of 9/11. Securacom was backed by a private Kuwaiti-American investment firm with close ties to the Bush family. The weekend before the attacks, there was a 'power down' condition in Tower 2, meaning there were no security cameras and no locks on doors with many 'engineers' coming and going in and out of the tower. A heightened WTC security alert, due to numerous phone threats, was lifted on 9/6/01 two days before the 'power down.' Once the alert was called off, bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed. Why? It also turns out that Marvin Bush was in New York on 9/11. Coincidence? Probably not. Convenient? You betcha.


Looking to the FBI or the Department of Justice to investigate serious acts of treason committed by Government officials? Don't bother wasting your time. The highest ranking members of both "Justice" branches are corrupt and just as guilty as those they serve. In fact, USA Today reporters found 201 cases -- which just scratches the surface -- in which egregious misconduct was found by Department of Justice attorneys, with few consequences. Justice is an oxymoron that has become so politically corrupt, it's easily manipulated to further whatever agenda the President or his administration deems fit and malfeasance is rewarded.


It's time to rid ourselves of the post-9/11 mentality and face reality


The facts showing the 9/11 attacks as being false flag operations speak for themselves, some of which are outlined above. On the morning of the 9/11 attacks, there were several military exercises taking place, some of which actually mirrored planes flying into the World Trade Center. Despite having plenty of time to shoot the planes down before they crashed into the towers, Vice President Cheney gave orders for the military to stand down, allowing the planes to hit the towers. More than one Bush administration official lied when they claimed they never dreamed of planes flying into the World Trade Center. The only plane that was shot down was flight 93. The rest, as they say, is history.


The information above is only the tip of the proverbial iceberg. A lot more information is out there, such as the anthrax attacks and the stock options that were purchased against United and American airlines right before 9/11, and more, and the growing evidence indicates the need for an honest investigation into what really happened on 9/11 and why it happened. All you need to do is follow the money and the rest becomes more evident. Instead of vilifying those seeking the truth, we need answers. As history has taught us, the interesting thing about 'conspiracy theories' is those who complain about them the loudest are usually the ones trying to keep things covered up -- since they have the most to lose -- and many of these so-called 'conspiracy theories' actually turned out to be true. Think about it, then get used to the fact that our Government is not what it seems. Who benefited the most from the attacks?


It's time to correct the wrongs and review the issues that have plagued this nation since 9/11. Attempts to find the truth are always met in contemptuous ways by the Government, or one of its highly paid cronies who attempt to vilify those who speak up about 9/11 Truth while conjuring up something they want you to believe debunks the truth. Put the Bush cabal on the stand under oath in a court of law that isn't presided over by one of its corrupt appointed Judicial cronies and hold them accountable. Release the hundreds of tapes and other evidence that was confiscated -- provided Bush didn't commit another crime and order them destroyed -- to the public and prove that the Government's official 9/11 fairy tale is true. Here's a hint: that won't happen because it would incriminate most of our politicians in Washington and those who own them...which, if you think about it, is one of the best reasons of all for a true, thorough investigation by anyone other than the Government. The Government has repeatedly proved that it cannot, and will not, investigate itself or hold itself accountable.


As taught by Socrates, the pursuit of truth can only begin once you start to question and analyze every belief you ever hold dear. If a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it should be kept. If it doesn't, not only should the belief be discarded, but the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous information in the first place. We've been purposely misled on what happened on 9/11/01 by the Government. Why? Truth was replaced with war profiteering, fraud, cronyism, and a lot more political corruption.


The rule of law needs to apply to everyone, including politicians and the politicized "Justices" and other Federal Judges appointed by them -- and those industries and corporations that control them -- for the atrocities that have occurred because of and after the attacks of 9/11. The out-of-control Government needs to be put back under control. Enough lives have already been sacrificed in order to further the needs of a few. Theoretically, the U.S. Government and the U.S. Military work for the Americans who pay their salaries, but those days have been purposely replaced with the industrial-military complex that is out of control. The U.S. "Intelligence" apparatus is unmanageable. "Homeland Security" and "Justice" are oxymorons. Until the people create their own "Pearl Harbor" and get involved, it's only going to get worse.


There are so many reasons for a real investigation into the events of that fateful day. 9/11 was a pre-planned treasonous act. Despite the mounting evidence, there will still be many in denial. It's time to rid ourselves of the post-9/11 mentality and face reality. The truth about the attacks has been purposely withheld from the public, most likely because it incriminates a lot of high-level political officials, and mountains of evidence points to the CIA and Mossad. Destroying the evidence, as ordered by President George W. Bush, was a crime. Ordering NORAD to stand down was a crime. Since the appointment of George W. Bush to the presidency, the vast majority of our Federal government has done everything in its power to circumvent, exploit, and subvert the law for personal and political gain while suppressing public awareness, which is criminal. Until we perform a real investigation into all the events of that day, the demand for the truth will only grow louder and stronger.

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good article, omissions.

Very good article, very well researched. However, it completely omits to mention the crucial and pivotal role of 911 Truth research groups and individual personalities, such as,,,, and others, and a central and pivotal role of science by Prof Jones, Harrit, et al., a research speaker lead role by prof Griffin, and leading science speaker role by R. Gage and his

that is odd that those are not in the piece, but

otherwise I think it is a good one to send to others who haven't put it all together yet.

pfgetty wrote: "otherwise I

pfgetty wrote:

"otherwise I think it is a good one to send to others who haven't put it all together yet."

completely disagree. This is a poorly sorted list of links. It jumps topics with little connections drawn between. This article comes of as very scattered and speculative. And as you get deeper into the piece, the ugly racist connotations begin. Loosely connected points trying to claim Mossad having a major role in the attack are so inconclusive that they continually come off as bigoted throughout the piece and it's links. Time to face that hard reality indeed. Zihop has been debunked several times over.


"The well planned cover up of the attacks of 9/11 would not have been possible without the involvement of the CIA and Mossad"

Emphasis on "CIA and Mossad", without mentioning ISI or GIP. Special pleading.

"To begin to understand the fateful events of that day, you need to understand the U.S. relationship with Israeli officials"

No I don't. This is cherry picking and only a small part of the entire breadth of 9/11 evidence. This is followed by a long diatribe
against Israel, which insinuates that 'The Jooos Did It'. Discussing Israeli influence over American politics is fine with me, but as we shall see, and as the first warning signs indicate, this will probably degenerate into anti-semitism. It's like recognizing spam in your e-mail inbox, it's a Bayesian task.

"Only the Government and the military have access to thermite."

Everybody can buy thermite on e-bay. It should have said "nanothermite".

"Rumsfeld admitting UA 93 was shot down"

Yeah and he also said a missile hit the Pentagon. He misspoke, this proves absolutely nothing.

"Claims of people receiving phone calls from passengers on board hijacked flights have already been proved false."

This is a controversial and unresolved issue. Claiming the issue is settled is unwarranted.

"The weekend before the attacks, there was a 'power down' condition in Tower 2, meaning there were no security cameras and no locks on doors with many 'engineers' coming and going in and out of the tower."

This is interesting, but evidence for this claim, so far, has been weak. More evidence is needed.

"The only plane that was shot down was flight 93"

This issue is unresolved. Presenting it as undisputed fact is irresponsible.

When the author writes "growing evidence", he links here ... an article which squarely blames the Mossad, Israel and the "Jooos" for 9/11.

When the author asks: "Who benefited the most from the attacks?", he cites this link which exposes him as a ZIHOP theorist, a theory also jokingly referred to as the "Jooos Did It" in mentally stable 9/11 research circles.

When the author writes "Attempts to find the truth", the author links to Veterans Today, who blew all their credibility out the window with the article: Analysis by Non-Commissioned Investigator Shows Plane Footage Doctored Up to Hide Clandestine Remote Controlled Anti-Gravity Ball Hitting World Trade Center Building 2 , disclaimer or not, and who also frequently espouse anti-semitic nonsense.

When the author writes, near the end "a pre-planned treasonous act", he links here ...A blog article, which again, blames the "Jewish Lobby" and uses Yiddish slurs like 'schlemiel'.

So no, unfortunately, this is not a good article at all, it's just another crypto-Nazi embarrassment for the Truth Movement. Another one in a long, hopeless tradition.

Remarkably, the last name of the author, "Lindner", appears to indicate German Jewish ancestry, which may have led the author to believe he was somehow 'entitled' to target the Jewish community for 9/11 specifically. Who is to understand the meanderings of a bigoted mind?

Great points Snow Crash

Just because the article has a number of thing I agree with will not negate the bigoted references and statements you point out above Snow Crash. The bogus speculative claims about Mossad connections and planes being shot down are ridiculous and unproven. Once again "pfgetty" has posted an article wrapping 9/11 truth in a blanket of antisemitism, laden with speculation and controversial unproven topics which continue to help discredit the 9/11 Truth movement. "pfgetty" please check the links and articles you post for such fringe racist elements before posting here on the blog. If you do post things like this, it is important that we and you (pfgetty) criticize the bad information as much as praise the good. Like I said, there were some good points in this article, however its great leap into the Israel Mossad connections being important and critical are simply false.


I commented here to bring this blog entry back for you.

Emphasis on "CIA and Mossad"

without mentioning ISI or GIP. Special pleading.

I think it's interesting, that the above mentioned intelligence agencies do have more in common than links to 9/11. There seems to be a connection followed by the "Safari Club", the outsourcing of wrongdoings after the Church Committee.

What hints do we have?

Mossad: Israel spy ring, "Living door to door with Atta". "ZIM", "Odigo", Long history of false flags and terror expericence, A warning to the US of Al-Midhar and Al-Hazmi, Dancing Israelis, False claim of 4000 missing israelis / jews as desinfo, framing Palastinens.

ISI: Paymaster, 100.000 Dollars to Atta and training of the terrorists. KSM. Murder of Daniel Pearl.

GIP: Money inflow, list of names of Mudjahedeen sent to ObL guesthouse. Role of Turki Bin Al Faisal (ObL, US-links). Captured Ali Zubaida told names of saudi princes involved. Later all three dead. Al-Bayoumi as GIP member and hijacker connection in SD. Saudi-Arabia declared identity of alleged hijackers may be mistaken, later deleted all remarks of it. 15 of 19 alleged hijackers saudis. Jiddah US granted terrorist visa hotbed.

CIA: Covered identities, Footnote #44, More?, I doubt it, to obvious...

Now if you consider international work sharing, as suggested by the wrondoings of the "Safari Club", you may get a clue how things have been worked out. Financiers. Footsoldiers. Ringmasters. Patsie building. Covering. You may ad the german BND, the french and egypt intelligence for further roles. And you may get the whole picture.

At least it is special pleading to left out this crucial information that shows there is more to the story that we've been told!

Can't believe you pulled this thread back up!

Read through the first comment's. I'm sick of folks trying to make 9/11 Truth look like racist anti-semites. Save it!

I know but,

i'm engaging cameronfansite and want to respond to his stuff with the points that have the logical research backing them up rather than the emotional reaction to the type of stuff he's raised

and not all who first come to 911blogger are as clued up as the lifers here!

when i came here first a year plus ago i strongly believed there had been no airliner crashed into the pentagon

911blogger helped me get over that

pls be patient master the students are coming

I'm no master. The problem is

This article is filled with flawed logic. Which has already been discussed in the comments. I'm not going to repeat what I said already about it.

Fair enough, and I just read

I think I'll use that as a guide when interacting with others similar to cameronfansite