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Pumpitout Radio - "9/11 FACTS not fiction"

Pumpitout Radio - "9/11 FACTS not fiction"
 

Saturday, January 22, 2011

Interview with "jimd3100" one of the  BEST 9/11 RESEARCHER'S I have ever came across. We discussed REAL aspects of the September 11, 2001 attacks and the subsequent cover up at the higest levels.

WHAT is REAL RESEARCH? A SERIOUS look into the attacks of 9/11 based on FACTS, not "theories".

With special guest's Jon Gold and Turk's

Mp3 download link -

http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-69500/TS-442648.mp3

 

 

9/11 FACTS not fiction

Show topics -

"jimd3100"'s Factually documented, sourced info -

9/11---Public record proves inside job! -
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/4071855/

Why I support the "Official Story" -
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/3863772/

"Do the orders still stand?" Who was he? -
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/3712237/

 

 

Additional reference links -

The Facts Speak For Themselves
http://911truthnews.com/the-facts-speak-for-themselves/

Nafeez Ahmed - Researcher and Scholar
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/4078619/

Conversation with Researcher and Scholar John Judge
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/3637786/

The Strategy of Tension
http://nafeez.blogspot.com/2007/05/strategy-of-tension.html

More here - 

http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/4080726/

 

 

"The truth is out there, but the Truthers wouldn't know it if it bit them in the ass. For them suspicion and speculation are reality and motive, means or opportunity are proof of conviction. This is thelogic of lynch mobs. I suggest they do a little research. If you do not support their Matrix of assumptions you must be naive or else part of the government. They are righteous and arrogant in their stupidity, as are those thinking they have religious truth exclusively. I don't have time or inclination to debate or educate them."
- Someone who cares

"Intelligence does not consist in having the right ideas. It consists in rejecting bad ideas once you realize they are wrong."
- David S. Chandler

"Read everything, listen to everyone, Believe nothing, unless you can verify it yourself."
- William Cooper

"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers."
- Thomas Pynchon in 'Gravity's Rainbow'

 

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Throughly Informative

This is a great exchange .

Thanks for doing this guys.

Thanks...

Thanks for listening :)

1: 46: 30

RE : Lawsuits against Saudi Gov

It was Elena Kagan who shielded Saudis from 9/11 lawsuit. She was Obama's U.S. solicitor general at the time.

I wonder what ever happened to her!

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=152949

Link...

Thanks for the link ;)

George W. Bush - Decision Points (2010)...

George W. Bush's book - Decision Points (2010)
http://www.amazon.ca/Decision-Points-George-W-Bush/dp/0307590615

Link to screen cap (page 142) -

http://www.pumpitout.com/images/gwb-decision-points-page-142.jpg

Question - If Army Lieutenant Colonel Tony Crawford told National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice and Rice told President George W. Bush... Who told Crawford??? Since at that time (supposedly) nobody knew it was a "commericial jetliner"!!!

[Thanks to "jimd3100]

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At approximately 8:48 a.m. on the morning of September 11, 2001, the first pictures of the burning World Trade Center were broadcast on live television. The news anchors, reporters, and viewers had little idea what had happened in lower Manhattan, but there were some people who did know. By that time, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), the National Military Command Center, the Pentagon, the White House, the Secret Service, and Canada’s Strategic Command all knew that three commercial airplanes had been hijacked. They knew that one plane had been flown deliberately into the World Trade Center’s North Tower; a second plane was wildly off course and also heading toward Manhattan; and a third plane had abruptly turned around over Ohio and was flying back toward Washington, DC.

So why, at 9:03 a.m.—fifteen minutes after it was clear the United States was under terrorist attack—did President Bush sit down with a classroom of second-graders and begin a 20-minute pre-planned photo op? No one knows the answer to that question. In fact, no one has even asked Bush about it.
http://www.historycommons.org/essay.jsp?article=essayaninterestingday

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Phone Calls?

Listened to conversation, it was bit hard to keep track where everyone was at in the conversation. I do need some clarification however. There was long discussion about phone calls and I am presuming the references are to the cell phone calls made by passengers. Of course, DRG has pointed to an FBI summary chart presented in the Moussaoui trial which showed that only 2 cellphone calls were made from flight '93 and that these calls were made while the plane was under 5000 ft. at 9:58am. (from New Pearl Harbor revisited, pg 115)

I am not sure what to think here. If the calls were made at this time, the plane would be spiraling downward with merely seconds left before impact. It would seem to be a rough time to make a call to me, trying to hold, dial, talk, etc... And they claim that cell phone calls could be made from planes in the air at the time. So what is the deal with the phone calls? Is DRG right or not? I know he likes to mention the voice morphing and it seems elaborate, but mentions it as a possibility, I don't believe DRG claims this is exactly what happened.

Can someone shed a little for me here? Much appreciated.

dtg

DRG...

DRG still claims there were no phones on AA77.

I spoke with many people who saw an American Airlines Boeing hit the pentagon with their own eyes the morning of September 11, 2001. I also spoke with a lady who worked on AA77 quite frequently, but not that day. She personally knew 8 co-workers that died that morning. She also recognised various debris as well as her friend Renee May's bracelet. Furthermore, the attendant told me that there were air phones on the plane, but only 5 can operate at one time. She also said cell phones did work depending on the "provider" and Verizon happened to be a provider that had very good signal reception in the DC area.

dtg86 says - "If the calls were made at this time, the plane would be spiraling downward with merely seconds left before impact. It would seem to be a rough time to make a call to me, trying to hold, dial, talk, etc... And they claim that cell phone calls could be made from planes in the air at the time. So what is the deal with the phone calls? Is DRG right or not?"

"Lee Purbaugh 32, who according to the Mirror was "the only person to see the last seconds of Flight 93" as it came down on former strip-mining land. At the time, Purbaugh was working at the Rollock Inc. scrap yard on a ridge overlooking the crash site less than half a mile away."

Conversations with Lee Purbaugh -

03/27/07 -
http://www.pumpitout.com/audio/lee_purbaugh_032707.mp3

03/28/07 -
http://www.pumpitout.com/audio/lee_purbaugh_032807.mp3

So dtg86, I guess its up to you... will you choose to believe the witnesses or DRG?

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Phone call at 9:58

"these calls were made while the plane was under 5000 ft. at 9:58am"

The call from flight 93 at 9:58 was made by this person Edward Felt.......

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/docs/exhibit/EdwardFelt.png

He called 911 begging for help as he was in the bathroom and this document from the penttbom investigation has the transcript of the call. I'm not sure what anyone plans to achieve by saying it's "fake". This call was recorded because he called 911...

FBI Document with transcript of call:
http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2001-09-17-FBI-penttbom-911-call.pdf

Saying the calls were fake and some unknown person was "fooling" the victims families with "voice morphing technology" is offensive to the families and frankly makes no sense. Besides it wasn't known that some of these people were even going on the planes until the last minute and this person is a perfect example......

"Edward Felt also usually flies Continental Airlines, but books himself onto Flight 93 at the last minute after his company gives him short notice of a meeting he needs to attend in San Francisco."
http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=911timeline&911timel...

"I am not sure what to think here. If the calls were made at this time, the plane would be spiraling downward with merely seconds left before impact. It would seem to be a rough time to make a call to me, trying to hold, dial, talk, etc."

Flight 93 went down at 10:03 -- 5 minutes after the call was first placed.

Saying the calls were " fake" proves 9/11 was an inside job. So does a missile hitting the pentagon. So does a flyover at the pentagon, so does lots of other things that aren't really proven but are rather silly and in some cases offensive theories. I would guess that is a main reason people like to say they are fake, there is no evidence the calls are fake.

Thanks Shure & Jimd3100

The recordings you posted helped some. They establish the plane was flying level ( as best as could anyway ) before pitching into the ground. Like many, I was under the impression it was pitched from high altitude and flown straight into the ground. It can help explain why the debris was so spread out. Also if flown low enough, long enough, the last two calls could have been made. Or is the idea that cell phone calls could have been made from high altitude at that time completely wrong?

The testimony by Lee doesn't help with phone calls but clears up some aspects. My focus is on the FBI report that says only 2 calls were made by cell phones. Of course, ask anyone who doesn't research like we do, and they think all were made by cell phones. The report also says 0 calls connected from flight 77 and we have to deal the calls to Ted Olsen. Were there seatback phones on the planes at the time? I have a hard time trusting Ron Balsamo and Pilots for truth even if was working with DRG. I feel DRG is doing all he can to get to the real facts but we can take faith in the wrong people as we all know too well.

I guess what I would like to see is the actual phone records for proof. When troubleshooting a customer phone issue, I could sign into a switch, dial out and enter the "return call" field with anything I like, the customer wouldn't know. What I can't fool is the record keeping, the origination of the call and what I entered would appear in a phone report. The FBI made a report about the phone calls and also a seating chart for the Moussaoui trial, but never entered into evidence phone reports or the original passenger manifests supporting the charts they submitted. I understand there is no evidence the calls were faked, but there is also little evidence (that I've seen anyway ) that can say they took place. By this, I am referring to the calls to Ted Olsen. Given his history with Bush, its hard to believe him. The Mark Bingham call seemed odd too.

You ask if I would believe DRG or witnesses and my answer is neither and/or both, it depends on what the evidence shows and corroborates what was seen and heard. Witnesses are helpful, but can be unreliable and so can evidence when interpreted incorrectly. For example the demolition of the wtc complex, witness and untampered physical evidence and physics make a compelling argument that simply has become irrefutable in my estimation. The same will go with the phone calls. Without better evidence they were faked and no phone records to support FBI claims, I take the position the calls were real despite conflicts of whether made from airphones or cell phones. It is these calls that confirm hijackers were on the planes despite shoddy airport video, no original passenger manifests, and 4 hijackings without one hijack code being sent, missing CVR's. Flight 93's is the only CVR recovered and presented as evidence albeit to select family members behind closed doors without notes, recordings, etc.. but my skepticism still runs pretty high on these accounts.

I wouldn't mind discussing this further offline for my own edification if either or both would be willing. I can be reached at yahoo under the same name as blogger. Thanks so much guys for taking the time to respond I really appreciate it. I have an opportunity for an important interview next month for posting at a new website call wnytruthers.org which was launched late last year for us seeking truth in Western New York (buffalo/rochester) and I'd like for my facts to be straight.

dtg

sHure...

I would be happy to try and help you with anything I can.

Email me at:

shure_dj (at) hotmail (dot) com

Fake calls = Bad move

"I understand there is no evidence the calls were faked, but there is also little evidence (that I've seen anyway ) that can say they took place. By this, I am referring to the calls to Ted Olsen. Given his history with Bush, its hard to believe him."

I have a blog entry on here that addresses the Olson call. Perhaps it's not convincing. It is to me.......
http://911blogger.com/news/2009-12-22/fake-phone-calls-what-evidence-sho...

"The Mark Bingham call seemed odd too."

Because he used his first and last name? Well, you might think it odd but his mom said it was the opposite of odd. I think she counts more than DRG or any other person in "9-11 truth".

From FBI report of Mark Bingham's phone call:

"She heard ________ say, "We love you too Mark. Let me get your mother."

"When ________ got on the phone, ________________this is Mark Bingham (he stated both his first and last names) followed by, "I want to let you know I love you. I love you all."

"Bingham then said, "I'm on a flight from Newark to San Francisco and there are three guys who have taken over the plane, and they say they have a bomb. I'm calling you from the air phone."

"There was an interruption for approximately five seconds. Bingham then stated to ________"You've got to believe me. It's true."
http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2001-09-19-FBI-FD302-mark-kendall-bingham2...

The name of Bingham's mother was Alice Hoglan:

She fills in some of those blanks from the FBI report:

"HOGLAN: He called me. He called us. He talked first to Carol (INAUDIBLE), then to my sister-in-law Kathy (ph) who I heard her say "We love you too Mark. Let me get your mom." And she handed me the phone and said "Alice, come talk to Mark. He's been hijacked" and that's when I took the phone."
http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/18/lkl.01.html

He used his first and last name when he was serious:

"Hoglan: Once in a while he would say that. He would call up, and he was, he was a young businessman, and used to, used to introduce himself on phone as Mark Bingham, and he was trying to be, uh, strong, and level-headed, and, and strictly business. "Mom, this is Mark Bingham".

You can even see her say this at a debunker's site who of course will be glad to use this as evidence the "truth movement" is a sham. It's at the bottom of this page.....
http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Mom%2C_this_is_Mark_Bingham

Saying the phone calls are fake is helpful in three ways. 1. It helps debunkers (as I point out here) 2. It helps certain members of the Gov (as I point out in the audio) 3. It helps alienate family members.

But it doesn't help to expose the "truth" of 9-11. There is no evidence the calls are fake. These people were real, and their families are real. They made calls in some cases to beg for help. They were not going to get help. They didn't want to die. They all died. To say their final act was "fake" is IMO offensive and insensitive and is backed by no evidence. Some people have the opinion that the calls are fake. IMO that is a giant mistake.

The fist calls were at 8:19 from flight 11 begging for help and alerting officials of a hijacking. At 9:03 when the 2nd hijacked plane hit the WTC Bush and Rice and Rumsfeld were all supposedly still unaware that hijackings were taking place. Maybe we should ask why they didn't know about any hijackings instead of saying the calls are fake.

Exactly.

"Saying the calls were " fake" proves 9/11 was an inside job. So does a missile hitting the pentagon. So does a flyover at the pentagon, so does lots of other things that aren't really proven but are rather silly and in some cases offensive theories. I would guess that is a main reason people like to say they are fake, there is no evidence the calls are fake."

Exactly. People tend to embrace theories that have the potential to prove 9/11 was an inside job, without much regard for the tenability of such theories.

Exactly...

Exactly.