Senate Bill Allows Indefinite Imprisonment of Americans Without Trial

If you thought the Patriot Act was bad, how about indefinite detention without a trial?

Tuesday, November 29, 2011
Senate Bill Allows Indefinite Imprisonment of Americans without Trial
Sen. John McCain and Sen. Carl Levin
Bipartisan legislation being considered in the U.S. Senate would expand the military’s power to go after any terrorism suspect, including American citizens, anywhere in the world—including within the United States—and confine them indefinitely without being charged or tried.

S. 1867, referred to as the National Defense Authorization Act bill, was drafted in secret by Senators Carl Levin (D-Michigan) and John McCain (R-Arizona) and was scheduled for a vote by the full Senate on Tuesday.

Voices on both the right and left have expressed concerns about the bill, including the American Civil Liberties Union and Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul.

Senator Mark Udall (D-Colorado) has introduced an amendment to S. 1867 that would “delete the harmful provisions and replace them with a requirement for an orderly Congressional review of detention power,” according to the ACLU. “The Udall Amendment will make sure that the bill matches up with American values.”

The provision has also drawn the ire of high-ranking officials in the executive branch who see it as a usurpation of power by the military. FBI Director Robert Mueller wrote a letter to members of Congress raising his own concerns and stating that “The legislation ... will inhibit our ability to convince covered arrestees to cooperate immediately, and provide critical intelligence.” President Barack Obama has threatened to veto the bill.

Levin and McCain have defended their measure by saying that it includes a waiver that allows U.S. administrations to “hold these al Qaeda detainees in civilian custody if it determines that would best serve national security.”
-Noel Brinkerhoff, David Wallechinsky

John McCain is My Senator

John McCain is my Senator. I'll give him a call first thing in the morning. I'm sure I can bring him around on this thing.

Best of luck there... you'll

Best of luck there... you'll need a miracle.

McCain was the author of the foreword to the 2006 Popular Mechanics book, "Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can’t Stand Up to the Facts". This sad, pathetic piece of pseudoskeptical garbage has been debunked by real science over and over, but is McCain interested in real science?

McCain, a longtime member of the DC mafiocracy, is heavily invested in the truth of 9/11 never coming out.

John Elway helps stand with the tyranny.

I hate spreading fear, but these developments are worth noting. I think most of these provisions have been in place since the Patriot Act from what I understood though, so not sure why the continuing passing of more and more bills taking away our rights.

Notice how everything is based off of 9/11. We are on the right story. The basis of all this mess.
In Modern America, Questioning War Is Considered Terrorism

Unfortunate Predjudice

There is an unfortunate prejudice that all jocks are meat heads. It is not true. It takes all kinds in the NFL, they even have gays.
Payton Manning went to my Alma Mater and I think he was taking some advanced courses not the "jock courses" that they steer players toward. That said, 'cause I didn't want to paint the NFL with a broad brush: "Elway is a meat head."

Time for him to hit the showers

Elway was a great QB, but he's being a complete tool where terror propganda is concerned. He's been discussed on 911blogger before, in fact--after he appeared in some ads advising how to be vigilant against the threat of terrorism. It may not have been coincidence (by which I mean that I doubt very much that it was just coincidence) that these ads ran shortly after Colorado Public Televison had aired both 'Press For Truth' and 'Blueprint For Truth.'

This video is utterly bogus,

This video is utterly bogus, a piece of fear mongering designed to scare, or *terrorize* the public into giving up our hard earned liberties without a fight.

Elway is a tool of the real terror mongers, either with or without his knowledge. The most recent high profile terrorism that was a genuine or "bona fide" (if that is the appropriate term) campaign/case, in which the perpetrator(s) acted out of his/their own volition was the "Unabomber", now more than 15 years ago. From everything I have read about, or gleaned about this case, Ted Kaszynski was the most recent high profile act/campaign of terrorism in which elements within the US government played no part. This type of incident, either "lone nut", or "conspiracy", with no connection to the authorities, is exceptionally rare.

Or to put it another way: every act or terrorism since the Unabomber - that is, those which have been promoted as such by the government and corporate media in tow - have all had deep connections to US federal agencies (notoriously the FBI) in which naive patsies are enlisted to take the hit for nefarious, murderous schemes.

Lone Nut

" which the perpetrator(s) acted out of his/their own volition was the "Unabomber", now more than 15 years ago." Or maybe not; David Kaczynski, Ted Kaczynski's brother, says that Ted was jacked with by MKULTRA experimentation while at Harvard. It was David Kaczynski who turned his brother in which he later had second thoughts about following a double cross by Janet Reno (what else would you expect from her.) You can find David speaking about this on YouTube. He strikes me as a sober, intelligent man and chooses his words carefully. David Kaczynsi is a graduate of Columbia University.

Our Servants Want To Keep Us Safe

This bill must be good because it was devised in a spirit of bi-partisanship.

Putting Americans in jail keeps them safe from freedom.

Cheney was involved in this too...

"Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) emerged from the meeting -- where former Vice President Dick Cheney was in attendance -- saying his colleagues had "a spirited discussion" about Udall's amendment, and predicted nearly all Republicans would oppose the amendment, as they did."

This bill is directly for us

This bill is directly for us guys. This is for 9/11 Truthers 100% all the way.

Levin was a member of the 9/11 Joint Inquiry

I don't know why his credibility isn't up for review. The Joint Inquiry was the first 9/11 cover up. Government officials like Levin were directly involved in covering up the truth about CIA obstruction in regard to active FBI al Qaeda investigations. At the time Tenet lied under oath about CIA conduct in regard to al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar. The public record strongly supports the notion that some powerful officials in the US government protected these al Qaeda operatives before 9/11.

And before that

And before that, if I'm not mistaken, he was the one whom Rumsfeld chewed out at a hearing right after 9/11, for opposing the kind of space-based defense programs that (so Rummy implied, with unmitigated gall) might have succeeded in preventing the attacks.


John McCain wrote the foreword to the Popular Mechanics book Debunking 9/11 Myths. Don't forget that.

Fuck Holder, Napolitano, Levin, McCain, and Elway...

AG Eric Holder urges Americans to fink on their neighbors and report IP offenses like...downloading music and movies illegally: "Not a single prosecution against Wall Street for the collapse of 2008 but he wants people to give a damn about IP violations for Hollywood and the recording industry?"


Let's stop beating around the bush and call a spade a spade: we are talking about a junta here. I think that the most important thing about having a dialog is to clarify the terms up front. Have you noticed people calling Obama a communist or a socialist? That accusation is wrong. We have a fascist system and Obama is a cog in the system so he is not a socialist. In a socialist or communist system the state is the corporation and owns the means of production. In a fascist system the corporations are privately held, outside of state control, which in turn gives them the power to regulate the state. This is an important distinction. Now, in WWII between Hitler and Stalin the distinction was quite clear, however, they each borrowed aspects from their polar opposite which muddied the waters a little and this has led to confusion among some people; an example of this is found among the Nazi's with their National Socialism (NSDAP). There were left wing elements within the formation of the Nazi Party, after all, it was the National Socialist German Workers Party, its formal name. When the Nazi Party coalesced into a national front only lip service was payed to the socialist aspects of the party. One reason for this is: what could be better for the workers than full employment? The other reason that the socialist elements were downplayed was nationalism. The N is NSDAP stood as much for nationalism as national. But despite any rhetoric to the contrary, the Nazis were fascists. They were controlled and funded from outside the government by enormous cartels, the aristocracy (Germany has two classes of aristocrats), the acquiescence of the churches, and the cooperation of the military. Now, in Stalinist Russia the state is the corporation. Businesses are nationalized, farms collectivized, citizens are platooned all for the benefit of the state. Where many become confused is that the next step in either system is authoritarianism and both systems cited above were leaning heavily towards that end, although not completely. So which one sounds relevant to us? Is Goldman Sachs a nationalized corporation like Amtrak? No, the banks and the corporations are all outside of the goverment manipulating the levers of the state.

So why quibble about semantics? Here is why: if you screw up in this country, for whatever reason, and go to jail; the chances are that you will wind up in a corporate prison. In CORRECTIONAL SEVICES CORP. v MALESKO The Supreme Court of the United States has ruled that a convict had no standing to sue in Federal Court for damages. So, in other words you are remanded to Federal Government with no Federal remedy. The Justices decided that remedy could be available within the State that the prisoner was incarcerated. What has happened here is that the government has "disappeared" you as much as someone who is put into the "Shoe." The court remanded this prisoner to the Federal Prison who in turn "remanded" him to a corporate entity. That is fascism at work. The Malesko case, cited above, and the detention of prisoners in torturous solitary confinement like the shoe is already with us. Now they want to ratchet it up a notch and get the military involved. Why, because they have such a good track record in prisoner management? Just look at Bradley Manning, Gitmo, and whatever other black cites that they have. It is important to understand exactly what systems we are dealing with now and where we are heading in the future.

None of this is new however. For a good look at the Government's willingness to disappear a citizen I highly recommend the award winning movie "Missing" which stars Jack Lemmon and Sissy Spacek. The film was directed by Costa-Gravas a genius in the creation of political films. It tells the story of the disappearance of Charles Horman by the military junta in Chile during the fall of the Allende regime. Watch carefully for some startling symbolism but don't let my "film buff" reverence for this film put you off; this is accessible to everyone and highly entertaining. Another good source about the State disappearances is the book "Prisoner Without a Name, Cell Without a Number," by Jocobo Timmerman. This book tells the story of the "desaparacidos" in Argentina and is quite fascinating on many levels.

In English, we borrow many words from foreign languages: detente, coup d'etat, apparatchik,guillotine and now it is time to embrace one more: "Junta" because that is where we are heading. Another one to drop, at least to raise some eyebrows would be "desaparacido" it is succinct and its fluid sound will not be lost on any ears.

Who voted What

Vote Counts: YEAs 93
NAYs 7

Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State

Alphabetical by Senator Name
Akaka (D-HI), Yea
Alexander (R-TN), Yea
Ayotte (R-NH), Yea
Barrasso (R-WY), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Begich (D-AK), Yea
Bennet (D-CO), Yea
Bingaman (D-NM), Yea
Blumenthal (D-CT), Yea
Blunt (R-MO), Yea
Boozman (R-AR), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Yea
Brown (D-OH), Yea
Brown (R-MA), Yea
Burr (R-NC), Yea
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Cardin (D-MD), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Casey (D-PA), Yea
Chambliss (R-GA), Yea
Coats (R-IN), Yea
Coburn (R-OK), Nay
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Yea
Coons (D-DE), Yea
Corker (R-TN), Yea
Cornyn (R-TX), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Yea
DeMint (R-SC), Yea
Durbin (D-IL), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Franken (D-MN), Yea
Gillibrand (D-NY), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Hagan (D-NC), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Nay
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Heller (R-NV), Yea
Hoeven (R-ND), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Yea
Isakson (R-GA), Yea
Johanns (R-NE), Yea
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Johnson (R-WI), Yea
Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Kirk (R-IL), Yea
Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea
Leahy (D-VT), Yea
Lee (R-UT), Nay
Levin (D-MI), Yea
Lieberman (ID-CT), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Manchin (D-WV), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
McCaskill (D-MO), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
Merkley (D-OR), Nay
Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Moran (R-KS), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Yea
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Paul (R-KY), Nay
Portman (R-OH), Yea
Pryor (D-AR), Yea
Reed (D-RI), Yea
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Risch (R-ID), Yea
Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Rubio (R-FL), Yea
Sanders (I-VT), Nay
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Sessions (R-AL), Yea
Shaheen (D-NH), Yea
Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
Tester (D-MT), Yea
Thune (R-SD), Yea
Toomey (R-PA), Yea
Udall (D-CO), Yea
Udall (D-NM), Yea
Vitter (R-LA), Yea
Warner (D-VA), Yea
Webb (D-VA), Yea
Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea
Wicker (R-MS), Yea
Wyden (D-OR), Nay

Rump Senate

That is what a rump parliament looks like. With that kind of lack of contention it is self dissolving.

Coleen Rowley's Piece

Even Udall voted "Yea" after his amendment was killed. Here's Coleen's assessment.

'Are Americans in Line for Gitmo?'

The Senate bill, in effect, revokes an 1878 law known as the Posse Comitatus Act, which banned the Army from domestic law enforcement after the military had been used --and often abused -- in that role during Reconstruction. Ever since then, that law has been taken very seriously -- until now. Military officers have had their careers brought to an abrupt halt by involving federal military assets in purely civilian criminal matters.

But that was before 9/11 and the mantra, "9/11 changed everything." In this case of the Senate-passed NDAA -- more than a decade after the terror attacks and even as U.S. intelligence agencies say al-Qaeda is on the brink of defeat -- Congress continues to carve away constitutional and legal protections in the name of fighting "terrorism."

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