AE911Truth "The Blueprint" Monthly Newsletter | March 2012
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| AE911Truth Blueprint Newsletter | Vol. XXXVI | March 2012 |
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In this issue: Phoenix brings back AE911Truth to present to hundreds at venue inspired by architect Frank Lloyd Wright; FAQ: Paint Chips or Nano-Thermite? – Even you can tell the difference; Dealing with Popular Mechanics – Part 2: Plane Impacts, Fire Damage & Melted Steel; Courageous St Mary’s College professor has AE911Truth teaching 9/11 class in Moraga, CA Contents
Arizona Heating Up in Anticipation of AE911Truth Tour: Three-City Desert Trip Begins March 16
by Nory King
The Compelling 9/11 Evidence Heads North: AE911Truth Tour of Canada Kicks Off March 24
by Nory King
This will be our third trip to Canada, and we have always been met with a good response. During our most recent trip, we joined David Ray Griffin and other esteemed 9/11 researchers at the Toronto Hearings. Debunking the Real 9/11 Myths: Why Popular Mechanics Can’t Face up to Reality – Part 2
Plane Impacts, Fire Damage & Melted Steel by AE911Truth Staff
(Quotes from Popular Mechanics’ book are shown in red and with page numbers.) Plane Impacts and Fire Damage PM next turns to the issue of the plane impacts and fire damage and their roles in the WTC event. FAQ #7: Aren’t the Red-Gray Chips Identified in the WTC Dust Merely Primer Paint from the WTC Steel Structural Elements?
by AE911Truth Staff
Some defenders of the official 9/11 story have claimed that the red-gray chips of thermitic material identified in the WTC dust by chemist Dr. Niels Harrit, Ph.D., Dr Steven Jones, Ph.D., and other scientists are simply remnants of the rust-proofing primer paint that was applied to the steel structure of the WTC skyscrapers during their construction. Bringing Truth to the Youth: AE911Truth University Outreach Repeats its Success at St. Mary’s College
by Hoda El Hamrouni
Yes… for five years in a row, Professor John Dragstedt of St. Mary’s College in Moraga, California, has invited us to speak in his special January session. Unleash the Power of Your Computer – Become a Part of the AE911Truth Writing Team Expansion
by Eli Rika
News Writers: We receive breaking news here at AE911Truth about 9/11 evidence and events on a regular basis, and we have been so overwhelmed with these news items over the last few months that we need more writers to help us document and disseminate this critical information. |
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From OP:
"Editor’s note: The preliminary results of a new study of the red-gray chips, commissioned by Chris Mohr, a supporter of the official NIST reports about the destruction of the WTC skyscraper, and authored by Dr. James Millette, have recently been released. They seem to confirm that the composition of the red-gray chips does not match the formula for the primer paint used on the WTC steel structure. Look for a critique of Millette’s study in next month’s Blueprint newsletter."
See? Millette confirmed the composition of the red-gray chips. This is what passes for "the truth" in the 9-11 "truth" movement.
I can't believe
what I'm reading.
This is straight up lying by omission in an AE911Truth newsletter.
To the Contrary,
AE911Truth is not going to put words into the mouths of Mohr/Millette about what they determined the red/gray chips are since they didn't give an answer themselves. They claimed not to know the source of these chips, but have determined they are not WTC primer paint (a previously used suggestion by JREF'ers and self-professed debunkers). AE will offer further critiques of their study, such as the fact that they did not use a DSC to replicate the ignition of red/gray chips. How can you have replication when you don't employ the most basic test of all??
1. Millette did in fact discover red/gray chips in WTC dust samples. Around 40 were extracted for testing.
2. Millette did determine that they weren't paint, thus debunking that claim.
3. Millette failed to explain their source, where they came from.
4. Millette did not use a DSC to test ignition, nor did he heat chips to the proper ignition temp.
What is Millette saying?
Conclusions
The red/gray chips found in the WTC dust at four sites in New York City are consistent with a carbon steel coated with an epoxy resin that contains primarily iron oxide and kaolin clay pigments.
There is no evidence of individual elemental aluminum particles of any size in the red/gray chips, therefore the red layer of the red/gray chips is not thermite or nanothermite.
-- Millette red/gray chips study
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What is Millette saying? You may not agree with him, but this is the section "Conclusion".
I see a little something conspicuously MISSING in the AE911Truth newsletter.
Are you going to join them in this infamy? You can't be serious. This is utterly PATHETIC.
Agreed, a jaw dropping omission
This kind of attempt to frame the results to match a theory is very disturbing.
So let me get this straight, AE in their newsletter attempts to decree a sort of victory by saying that the chips weren't from paint. And yet the test still proves there was NO THERMITE OR NANOTHERMITE because there is no aluminum? Very deceptive. AE911truth, will you please correct this glaring error? Explain please because I know you all are thoughtful people and SOME people actually consider you a leader.
About as deceptive as NIST?
I posted a comment recently stating that scientific conclusions can't be rejected simply because it doesn't fit an agenda.
This is not the critique
SC / kdub completely ignore the following:
--We will be publishing a critique of the Millette paper in the near future.
--The reaction of the red-gray chips in the DSC proves they are thermitic
--We are free to agree with some points of Millette's paper and disagree with others.
Millette's conclusions will be addressed and critiqued by AE911Truth. Frankly there's a lot to say.
Blatant deception
RL McGee said--"We are free to agree with some points of Millette's paper and disagree with others."
I guess you think you are free to be completely dishonest as well in reporting his findings.
Such as:
RL McGee said...."Millette did determine that they weren't paint, thus debunking that claim."
He describes their chemical make up as that of paint. It is very obvious from reading his report that is here....
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/64959841/9119ProgressReport022912_rev1_030112webHiRes.pdf
it says:
"The red/gray chips found in the WTC dust at four sites in New York City are consistent with a carbon steel coated with an epoxy resin that contains primarily iron oxide and KAOLIN clay pigments."
Gee...whatever could it be? His report also states...
"According to the Federation of Societies for Coatings Technology, KAOLIN (also known as aluminum silicate or china clay) is a platy or lamellar pigment that is used extensively as a pigment in many segments of the PAINT industry."
"Iron oxide pigments are also used extensively in PAINTS and coatings"
"Both kaolin and iron oxide pigments have been used in PAINTS and coatings for many years."
All you're doing with this dishonesty is to dig a deeper hole for yourself.
Now tell us how he is honest at the same time he is a fraud such as when he states....
"The composition of the red/gray chips found in this study (epoxy resin with iron oxide and kaolin pigments) does not match the formula for the primer paint used on iron column members in the World Trade Center towers (Table 1)."
And then pretend that this means he ruled out all paints in the world when he clearly didn't. You think this helps your claim?
Same Cast of Characters ...
Causing the same drama and distraction.
I for one am thankful for the repeated success of groups like AE911Truth. Richard has done more for the cause than the handful of dramatists in this thread have ever done.
Going public with pertinent information will always afford the the dedicated among us a place the peanut gallery can't reach. Thank goodness for hard work, for tenacity, and for courage exemplified by Richard and his peers that others merely berate.
Fact is that Mohr/Millette did not duplicate the original test, hence their findings are in the very least incomplete. Bad science on their end, though fitting for the modus operandi of the official conspiracy theory believers.
'Drama and distraction'...
... and storms in teacups involve lots of sound and thunder. The truth, by contrast, sits quietly in the background.
One hopes for resolution
If Millette has failed to, or fails to, ignite the material in a calorimeter, then Millette cannot be trusted. If memory serves, the original Harrit et al paper never claimed we had conventional thermite with grains of iron oxide mixed with grains of elemental aluminum. Instead, we had grains of iron oxide scattered amongst a crystalline matrix of material that contained aluminum in elemental form. That's not so different from what Millette has found, except that any aluminum in the "platy" matrix is in a silicate form (?). Chemically this may make all the difference in the world. And Millette may turn out to be right (that this is not a thermitic material), but he needs to ignite the stuff and see if it's energetic, or else his evaluation is highly suspect. The nature of the material is infinitely more important than its verbal definition.
If Millette demonstrates that what we have is merely a non-incendiary/non-explosive paint, then I hope Richard Gage will man up and take a closer look.
That said, I personally like Richard Gage, having sat twice with him in conversation in Seattle, the latter time for a few hours. My impression was that he was tenaciously dedicated to getting a new official study of the events of 9/11.
Addendum
None of this is to suggest that, should Millette ignite the material and find it non-energetic, he should be taken as the final word.
***If the authors of the original ATM paper could take some of their material, and give a public demonstration of it igniting in a calorimeter, that would really be helpful.***
One should not have pre-ordained beliefs about this stuff--and I plead guilty to having vacillated between beliefs regarding 9/11 myself. One is justified, however, in harboring deep suspicions about the event, when it is viewed in context of the Neo-cons and their published goals (circa 2000) for "multiple simultaneous wars" in the Middle East. With something this large, it need not be "paranoid conspiracy theorizing" to suspect someone such as Millette of foul play. However, it is time for Harrit et al to stand up and show us the physical truth of what they published. This may sound hard, but is it too much to ask?
This is their chance to be heroes on a pretty large scale, and with one heck of a lot of vindication.
If they can't, I'm not going to make snide comments or laugh derisively. But I will, in that case, no longer listen to them.
Smug
You are so smug. Have you ever questioned authority? Does criticism make you sad? How about critical thinking? Do you get anxious when solving a puzzle?
These could be side-effects, if you are taking the new blue pill, which we like to call Authorigra. If you experience excessive cheer leading, for more than 4 hours, please call a real Truther and make snide remarks about people with any views different from your own. Then gulp down a bunch more Authorigra and practice the new goose step.
Many of us strongly support AE911Truth
Unfortunately, some folks have an aberration: a compulsion to control the possessions, activities and lives of others. Often this compulsion is attempted by various methods such as enforcement or "making one guilty" or inhibiting others or covert friendliness or strained criticalness or whatever. This can make things disruptive for a group or for leaders.
I have to hand it to Richard Gage.
He took a road which many of us would never travel. He committed himself (pledged, bound himself to a cause) for an indefinitely long period of time when he founded AE911Truth. He is the founder.
His training background and experience was as an architect, not a public speaker nor a leader of a dynamic organization. Yet, he has made great inroads along these lines.
It is no easy task to lead a group. Decisions are always tough as a leader. Not every member of a group is always going to be cheerful about all the decisions made. Sometimes, some members can tax the time and efforts of the leader. Some members can drain the esprit. It takes a stalwart leader to remain firm to the course and commitment while yet keeping his compassion. I gotta hand it to Richard Gage. He has done what many of us could not or would not do.
Incredibly, Gage invites participation and feedback. I have seen Richard readily open to ideas and actions by others. Not many leaders invite so much input. Sometimes this open participation opens a can of worms. (As an aside: Many volunteers start in with enthusiastic participation, but later find their tenacity waning and then drop off the line. I have also seen some volunteers want to instigate and lead an action while everyone else becomes a "worker bee".)
Despite all the flak and troubles which bleed their way up to the top, Richard Gage keeps his cool. Pretty admirable quality in my opinion.
Anyway, I have to hand it to Richard Gage and the hard working folks at AE911Truth. I tip my hat.
kdub, Go start your own group.
Start your own group of professionals.
Evidently, you can do better. Then, go do it.
Cook your own food. Start your own restaurant if you don't like the fixins.
Love it or leave it
Eh, TomT?
THAT'S WHAT WE ARE ALL ABOUT
YEEHAW
We have been fed to many bad meals in this restaurant
And, it is important that people who want to act like a sous-chef pay attention to what they are serving. So instead of being dismissive Tom, how about speaking to the critiques in this thread..
Do you understand that this newsletter omits the critical conclusion of the Milette paper?
Do you think it is honest and forthcoming of AE911 truth to present the papers findings in this way?
Do you think makes 9/11 Truth look good when it's alleged representatives speak at rally's led by notorious, inflammatory racists?
What did we learn about omissions from David Ray Griffin?
I also noticed a lack of coverage about the A&E911 presentation to the Nation of Islam.
Yes,
And my comment (originally the first on this thread) asking about the NOI has been removed by Jkeogh, for those who did not notice. Justin, I don't hate you or for it, but why was it deemed 'offtopic?'
I did not think it was offtopic to ask about the AE newsletter and an AE event, so I assume there are other reasons. Yes, assume, because Justin has not responded to me. (non-response is becoming quite trendy with some)
Nonetheless, here are some words from Richard regarding the NOI event:
http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/Perspectives_1/article_8672.shtml
The blog is not about NOI
The excuse that you thought it would be in the newsletter is just that.
As you know, you are welcome to post a blog on a topic that interests you, I even suggested a title in my response to your email.
Comments regarding AE @ NOI are on-topic here:
http://www.911blogger.com/news/2012-02-29/richard-gage-presentation-nation-islam-911-what-really-happened-and-why
From the rules:
"Keep your comments relevant to the blog entry. Post useful information and commentary, not ad-hominem attacks or insults."
Stick to what you know..
AE911TRUTH is a group of building engineers (and other engineers of course) and architects. Not political scientists, historians, policy analysts. This is why they stick to only controlled demolition issues. The newsletter links right to the report so I don't see where the problem is. If is that important they mention it, then lets see what the April issue shows.
The problem a know nothing avg schmo like me sees is that when something is critiqued around here it goes to levels it shouldn't go to. If one thinks the article should have mentioned more about Millette's, then say it, but leave out the "this passes for truth" and "they're just as bad as NIST" opinions to yourself, or post them on your personal blogs. Snide remarks that comment only to a person's intent lead nowhere since no one can prove another persons intent without extremely close and personal information that I feel quite safe in saying that no one here has. Maybe it's just me, but it seems lately that all people want to do here now is tear down those that paved the way thus far, some deservedly so I have no doubt, but often times it is uncalled for. (Forgive me if this too far off topic.)
C'mon people, let's move past all this. Its our own divisiveness that hurting us. No one researcher here knows all the facts and nor do they claim too. If the OCT is so demonstrably false, then lets demonstrate it as a single force. If I may borrow from LeftWright, is absolutely correct in stating that LOVE is the only way forward and it takes patience and tolerance, and mostly, it is unconditional. Thanks again everyone.
dtg
Sorry but unconditional love is earned AND
And I think you are confused, for the very people you claim are being divisive are actually the ones showing love and respect. I care about justice and my friends and people here who want justice. This is why I and others critique. It is a position of apathy and ambivalence to allow theories and deceptive behavior to go unchecked. Also, appealing to accomplishment ("those that paved the way thus far,") is a dangerous fallacy in an information war. What we have seen for years is people claiming to have paved the way, when really they jumped into someone else's moving vehicle, then started distracting the driver.
Critique is not division. If anything its to build a bridge. No one here is a cheer leader. None of the people being critical here were unwilling to accept the help of AE so long as AE was reasonable, critical, and thoughtful.
It is divisive to assert a false claim then attack those who critique it rather than respond directly to the critique. I just recently saw Kevin Ryan accuse people of embracing video fakery with no proof. When questioned and corrected about it he did not respond of apologize. This type of behavior defines divisive.
You have missed the point of the critiques here. It is not simply that people are upset that AE didn't talk about every single aspect of Milette's paper (the way you portray the critics here). It is that this newsletter skips over the most critical conclusion of the paper and actually gives the perception of the opposite of what the conclusion is. Is this a simple mistake AE911truth glossed over? Possibly, so if they are willing to correct it after it's pointed out, then we are talking quality valid sound research. If they are unwilling to adjust this, then the presentation of the paper in this newsletter is accurately described as deceptive. It is not closed minded to be critical. It is closed minded to say that everything everyone says and does should be accepted with love. It's even a bit divisive to claim one thing is the ONLY way forward , but I know what you meant. Idealism can filter aspects of the truth and in doing so omit the actual truth from outing.
Look for a critique of Millette’s study in next month’s Blueprin
A quote from this newsletter:"...Look for a critique of Millette’s study in next month’s Blueprint newsletter...."
It says it right there. Stay tuned for more.
Either some folks do not read or they just love to be snarking carpers.
Ha! These guys who STRAIN hard at criticalness in order to invalidate this newsletter and AE911Truth are laughing stocks to many of us. What a joke! These carpers are a riot. How silly!
Who is the joke here? This is no laughing matter.
I wrote quite a long response above that wasn't insulting like you are being here. I'm not holding my breathe for further critique. Now they AE911 will have to address the currently deceptive way in which they are presenting the papers results. I don't think anyone is happy to have to point out this divisive deceptive behavior.
I will add to those concerned in this thread that I also think it's sketchy that the NOI presentation wasn't mentioned. The lack of response from Gage and Ryan about them taking part in such a hideous event is quite telling. Real researchers are open to critique and reason. Gage and Ryan are acting just the opposite.
Kdub
Your response was well worth the read.
I agree except for the part about cheerleaders. There are obviously cheerleaders, and they point themselves out with "explosively destrying the offcial story" quotes at every AE article.
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Thanks!
I think you are right. What I meant really was that none of us are supposed to be cheerleaders.
Readyyy? Ok!
Made me think of a good pun to, instead of saying Appeal to Accomplishment we can say...psuedo-leaders and reps don't deserve 'The benefit of the clout' (Let the eyes roll and the smirks commence)
Edit:
Maybe TomT could respond to some of my specific questions to him above instead of laughing at people.
Hey, thats what you and RL
Hey, thats what you and RL McGee said about NOI for this newlsetter, and it ain't there!
And that is not the concern, if you read a bit more carefully.
validate the contents
of our minds
I am still laughing...
Ha! I am still laughing. After all, it is pretty silly to strain so very, very, very, very hard to be critical.
Extreme or laborious effort towards criticalness. Great exertion.
It is like baby curmudgeons.
Again, it says right here in the quote to stay tuned to the next newsletter. A quote from this newsletter: "...Look for a critique of Millette’s study in next month’s Blueprint newsletter...."
there is a bitter campaign
there is a bitter campaign going on, yes.
FROM THIS THREAD
TomT = Supports Our Dear Leader
[Indent1]kdub = Criticizes Dear Leader and Dear Leader's Group's Association with NOI
[Indent2] TomT = Criticizes kdub's lack of loyalty - says love it or leave it
[Indent3] kdub = Asks TomT to look at criticism instead of blind loyalty
[Indents 4 & 5] = Two more people noting specific omission of recent NOI talk from newsletter
[Indent6] = Moderator says do not talk about NOI because it wasn't in the newsletter
Circular logic of blind loyalty keeps ending with abuse of moderation power, for some reason.