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Shanksville, Pennsylvania, on 9/11: The Mysterious Plane Crash Site Without a Plane

The field where Flight 93 allegedly crashed

"This crash was different. There was no wreckage, no bodies, and no noise."
- Somerset County Coroner Wallace Miller [1]

"I was looking for anything that said tail, wing, plane, metal. There was nothing."
- Photographer Scott Spangler [2]

"I was amazed because it did not, in any way, shape, or form, look like a plane crash."
- Patrick Madigan, commander of the Somerset barracks
of the Pennsylvania State Police [3]

Many people who witnessed the site where United Airlines Flight 93 is supposed to have gone down on September 11, 2001, have said how little it resembled what they expected the scene of a plane crash to look like.

According to official accounts, Flight 93, the fourth plane to be hijacked on September 11, crashed in a field in Pennsylvania after its courageous passengers and crew members attempted to retake control of their plane. However, numerous individuals who spent time at the supposed crash site have described seeing almost nothing resembling wreckage from a plane there. Some witnesses have recalled seeing little or no human remains at the site. And although Flight 93 was reportedly "heavily laden with jet fuel" when it crashed, investigators found no contamination from jet fuel in the soil and ground water around the site.

There is a lot of suspicious evidence relating to the crash of Flight 93, which casts serious doubt on the official account of what happened. This evidence suggests that what witnesses saw might actually have been the result of an attempt to fake the scene of a plane crash in an appalling act of deception, rather than the site of a genuine crash. The relatively small amount of debris that some witnesses noticed could have been planted. If this is what happened, it would mean the fate of Flight 93 is still unknown.

FLIGHT 93 ALLEGEDLY CRASHED AFTER ITS PASSENGERS REBELLED AGAINST THE HIJACKERS
The official story of Flight 93 is that the plane, a Boeing 757-200, took off from Newark International Airport, New Jersey, at 8:42 a.m. on September 11, bound for San Francisco, California. It had seven crew members and 37 passengers--including four hijackers--on board. The first 46 minutes of its journey proceeded routinely. But at 9:28 a.m., the hijackers seized control of the plane, with the intention of crashing it into either the White House or the Capitol building in Washington, DC.

However, crew members and passengers soon began making phone calls to friends, colleagues, and family members on the ground, to report what was happening, and in those calls learned of the attacks on the World Trade Center. Realizing that their plane's hijacking was part of a larger attack on America, they made the decision to fight back against the hijackers. They began their assault on the cockpit at 9:57 a.m. In response, the hijackers chose to crash the plane into the ground rather than risk the passengers and crew members retaking control of it.

Flight 93 crashed in a field in rural Pennsylvania, near the tiny town of Shanksville, at 10:03 a.m., at a speed of around 580 miles per hour. In its final moments, the plane rolled over, and it crashed flying upside-down and at an angle of 40 degrees, with its right wing and nose hitting the ground first. All on board were killed. [4]

There are, however, serious problems with this account. Perhaps the most striking of these is the fact that, remarkably, a significant amount of evidence indicates that no plane crashed at the location where Flight 93 supposedly went down.

WITNESSES SAW 'NOTHING BUT TINY PIECES OF DEBRIS' AT THE CRASH SCENE
Flight 93 weighed 127 tons when it crashed, according to New York Times reporter and author Jere Longman. [5] And yet numerous individuals, including some of the first people to arrive on the scene, have described the lack of anything resembling plane wreckage at the alleged crash site.

Assistant Fire Chief Rick King, who drove the first fire truck to reach the site, recalled thinking when he arrived: "Where is this plane? And where are the people?" King saw "thousands of tiny pieces scattered around--bits of metal, insulation, wiring--but no fuselage, no wings, only a smoking crater and charred earth." [6] He sent his men into the woods to search for the fuselage, but they kept coming back and telling him, "Rick, there's nothing." [7]

Homer Barron, who also arrived shortly after the crash, has recalled, "It didn't look like a plane crash, because there was nothing that looked like a plane." He added: "I [have] never seen anything like it. Just like a big pile of charcoal." [8]

Jon Meyer, the first reporter on the scene, said he was "able to get right up to the edge of the crater" where Flight 93 supposedly hit the ground. However, he described: "All I saw was a crater filled with small, charred plane parts. Nothing that would even tell you that it was the plane. ... There were no suitcases, no recognizable plane parts, no body parts." [9] Local coroner Wallace Miller, who was also one of the first people to arrive, said the crater looked "like someone took a scrap truck, dug a 10-foot ditch, and dumped all this trash into it." [10]

Frank Monaco of the Pennsylvania State Police said the site looked "like a trash heap." There was "nothing but tiny pieces of debris," he said. "It's just littered with small pieces." [11] According to Monaco, "It didn't look like a plane crash." [12] Scott Spangler, one of the first photographers on the scene, said, "I was looking for anything that said tail, wing, plane, metal." But, he recalled, "There was nothing, just this pit." "I didn't think I was in the right place," he commented. [13]

And FBI agent Wells Morrison, the crash site commander on September 11, said his first thought upon reaching the scene was, "Where is the plane?" He recalled, "Most of what I saw was this honeycomb looking stuff, which I believe is insulation or something like that." He added, "I was not seeing anything that was distinguishable either as human remains or aircraft debris." [14]

SCENE WAS UNLIKE A CRASH SITE
A number of witnesses stated specifically that they thought the scene appeared unlike the site of a plane crash. Lyle Szupinka, an area commander of the Pennsylvania State Police, said that when he arrived, "There was pieces of debris, small pieces of debris laying everywhere, and there were a lot of papers blowing around, and the ground was on fire." The debris, he said, was "very, very small." But, he added, "There was actually nothing to tell you that that was an aircraft." Szupinka commented, "Had you not known that that was an aircraft crash, you would've looked at that and you would've said something happened here, but I don't know what." [15]

Local resident John Maslak was one of the first people to arrive at the site, and saw the crater where Flight 93 supposedly went into the ground. A state trooper told him a plane had crashed there. But, Maslak has commented: "There was no way. The hole wasn't big enough and there was nothing there." [16]

Patrick Madigan, a commander with the Pennsylvania State Police, described: "When I looked at the pit, I didn't realize that was where the plane had crashed. I thought, at first, that it was a burn pit for the coal company." A fireman said this was where the plane went into the ground. "I was amazed," Madigan recalled, "because it did not, in any way, shape, or form, look like a plane crash. I thought I would see recognizable plane parts. But at the pit, there was nothing that looked like a plane." [17] Craig Bowman, a colleague of Madigan's, recalled: "Until that point, I had never been to a large plane crash. I was thinking that I should be seeing parts of the plane, seats, etc." However, he said, "There was nothing that was recognizable to me as a plane." [18]

William Baker, of the Somerset County Emergency Management Agency, recalled: "When they said it was a 757, I looked out across the debris field. I said, 'There is no way there is a 757 scattered here.'" Baker said, "The biggest piece of debris I saw would have probably fit in my pocket." [19] And Paul Bomboy, a paramedic who responded to the initial call for help, commented: "It was a very strange thing that there weren't normal things going on that you would have expected. When a plane crashes, there is a plane and there are patients." [20]

Michael Soohy, a veteran FBI agent, had been to the sites of plane crashes before and expected to see "chaos, bodies, [and] a hulking wreck of a jet." But, he commented, "I don't think anyone expected to see what they didn't see." [21]

FLIGHT 93 WAS APPARENTLY 'SWALLOWED' INTO THE GROUND
Some witnesses have said it appeared as if Flight 93 had been "swallowed" into the ground. Bob Weaver, the ranking Pennsylvania state trooper at the alleged crash site, recalled: "I was totally amazed that this big plane was just swallowed up in the ground. ... It took a while for it to sink in that there was an airplane in there." [22] Michael Soohy suggested that the moment the plane hit the ground must have been "almost like a dart hitting a pile of flour. ... The plane went in and the stuff back-filled right over it." [23] And Fire Chief Terry Shaffer said he thought that "the earth literally opened, swallowed the aircraft, and closed up." [24]

Bob Craig, the head of the Pittsburgh FBI's evidence response team, later described what supposedly happened, saying, "Turn the picture of the second plane hitting the World Trade Center on its side and, for all intents and purposes, the face of the building is the strip mine in Shanksville." [25]

It has been suggested that the softness of the soil into which Flight 93 supposedly crashed was a factor. The site where the plane allegedly went down was a reclaimed coal strip mine. This means that a few years earlier, the ground had been excavated down to a coal vein, the coal had been removed, and then the earth had been replaced. The ground was therefore relatively soft and consequently, as firefighters involved in the recovery effort described, "the Boeing 757 tunneled right in." [26]

But even though Flight 93 supposedly disappeared into the earth, the crater allegedly made when it hit the ground seems to have been too small for this to have been the case. Frank Monaco told reporters that the "V-shaped gouge" created by the plane was "eight to 10 feet deep and 15 to 20 feet long." [27] Roger Bailey, of the Somerset Volunteer Fire Department, recalled that the crater "wasn't deep. Ten to 12 feet deep." Bailey said he "thought it was a hole that they had dug to burn garbage." [28]

John Maslak estimated that the crater was "maybe 25 feet wide and 40 feet long," and "ten to 15 feet deep." [29] After the ground had been excavated in order to recover the wreckage of the plane, the crater was still only 35 feet deep, according to the FBI. [30]

Flight 93 had a wingspan of 125 feet, a tail height of 44 feet, and was 155 feet long. [31] Is it really possible that such a large plane, when it hit the ground, would make a crater only about 40 feet across and 25 feet wide, and disappear entirely into soil just 35 feet deep? As reporter Jon Meyer commented, "You just can't believe a whole plane went into this crater." [32]

How then can we explain the almost complete absence of anything resembling a plane at the alleged crash site? Surely, witnesses would have seen a lot more wreckage if a Boeing 757 did indeed go down there. A possibility that needs to be considered, therefore, is that Flight 93 did not crash in this field near Shanksville. The relatively small amount of wreckage that was seen there could have been planted as part of a sophisticated attempt at faking the scene of a plane crash. The intention of the perpetrators was to deceive the public into believing that Flight 93 did indeed crash at this site.

INVESTIGATORS FOUND NO JET FUEL IN THE GROUND
There is a lot more evidence supporting this possibility. For example, reports indicate that, incredibly, no jet fuel was found in the soil and ground water around where Flight 93 supposedly crashed.

The Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection (DEP) began taking samples of soil and well water from around the site about a week after 9/11, to see if they had been contaminated by Flight 93's fuel or other toxic materials. [33] Flight 93 was estimated to have been carrying about 7,000 gallons of fuel, weighing about 37,500 pounds, when it crashed. [34] But David Bomba, a DEP hydrogeologist, told local residents that the first samples of soil and water to be tested had been found to be clean. [35] And a couple of weeks later, at the beginning of October 2001, the DEP reported that "no contamination" had been discovered. [36] DEP spokeswoman Betsy Mallison said that, "whether it burned away or evaporated, much of [the plane's fuel] seems to have dissipated." [37]

United Airlines contracted a company, Environmental Resources Management, Inc., to document soil and water quality at the alleged crash site. That company issued a final report in September 2002, which described the results of environmental sampling. The report concluded that "surface soils, subsurface soils, and ground water beneath the site did not exceed any state health standards and did not require any remediation." Furthermore, according to the report, "None of the surface water results indicated any contamination that could be attributed to the Flight 93 crash." [38]

Curiously, despite the absence of jet fuel in the soil, "hot spots" sometimes erupted in the crater where Flight 93 supposedly crashed. Investigators reported that these flared up as early as the morning of September 12. [39] An excavator was subsequently used to remove soil from the crater, to help investigators recover wreckage and body fragments that were buried there. [40] According to volunteer firefighter Barry Kister, "The Shanksville Volunteer Fire Department was called in occasionally, because somebody would dig into a hot spot and that would cause a little fire." [41] Whether any attempt was made to determine the cause of these "hot spots" is unclear.

WITNESSES SAW 'NO HUMAN REMAINS' AT THE CRASH SITE
An important feature of the alleged crash site, which casts further doubt on the claim that Flight 93 went down there, is that, as well as the absence of plane wreckage, witnesses noticed a lack of human remains there.

There were 44 people on Flight 93 on September 11, who were calculated to have weighed about 7,000 pounds in total. [42] And yet Jeff Phillips, one of the first people to arrive at the supposed crash site, recalled, "The only thing we saw that was even remotely human was half a shoe that was probably 10 feet from the impact area." [43] Dave Fox, a former firefighter, also arrived shortly after the crash. All he saw that resembled human remains were three chunks of torn human tissue. "You knew there were people there, but you couldn't see them," Fox has commented. [44] Kelly Leverknight, a local resident who drove to the crash scene with a neighbor, recalled, "We didn't think there were people on the plane because we didn't see anybody." [45]

Lyle Szupinka, of the Pennsylvania State Police, told an interviewer, "If you've ever been to a bad airplane crash, they're nasty with the human remains and what have you." Therefore, he said: "When I was going to that site, I was preparing myself that basically this wasn't going to be a pretty scene. This was going to [be] nasty." But, Szupinka recalled: "When I got there, I was surprised to find that I saw no human remains. None whatsoever." [46]

Wallace Miller, the Somerset County coroner, was reportedly "familiar with scenes of sudden and violent death." "I've seen a lot of highway fatalities where there's fragmentation," he said. But after walking around the site for an hour, the only recognizable body part he had seen was a piece of spinal cord with five vertebrae attached. [47] "It appeared as though there were no passengers or crew on this plane," Miller has commented. [48] A year after 9/11, he said: "This is the most eerie thing. I have not, to this day, seen a single drop of blood. Not a drop." [49]

LARGE AMOUNT OF PAPER DEBRIS SURVIVED THE CRASH
However, although witnesses noticed a surprising lack of plane wreckage and human remains at the supposed crash site, large quantities of paper debris were seen and recovered from there.

Kelly Leverknight recalled seeing "a bunch of paper." [50] Faye Hahn, an emergency medical technician, said she saw "papers everywhere." Upon inspection, she found these were "pieces of mail." [51] Roger Bailey recalled that "mail was scattered everywhere." And Rick King similarly recalled, "There was mail scattered everywhere." [52]

Lee Purbaugh, one of the first people to arrive on the scene, initially thought the aircraft that crashed "was just a cargo plane carrying some mail, because when he ran up to the actual scene, he didn't notice any carnage, just some mail around," according to the Daily American. [53] According to Jere Longman, the items Purbaugh saw included "envelopes with California addresses, magazines, [and] paper on the ground and in the trees." Some of the envelopes were burned but others were undamaged. [54]

The Independent reported that Flight 93 was carrying "7,500 pounds of mail to California" when it crashed. [55] According to Roger Bailey, in the days after September 11, pieces of mail found at the crash scene would be gathered into a recycling bin and, periodically, the post office would send a mail truck to take away a load. [56]

But if the official account of what happened to Flight 93 was correct, surely fragile and flammable paper items would have been far more likely to be destroyed in the crash than human remains and metal plane wreckage. And yet paper seems to have been the material most able to survive intact. Could this have been because the paper debris was--like the debris resembling plane wreckage--somehow planted at the scene, as part of the attempt at creating the appearance of a plane having crashed there?

PAPER DEBRIS INCLUDED ITEMS BELONGING TO THE ALLEGED HIJACKERS
Some paper items discovered at the crash scene played a role in supporting the official account of the 9/11 attacks and who was responsible for them. For example, according to FBI agents who were involved in the recovery effort, items made of paper and other fragile materials that belonged to the alleged hijackers were found. These included driver's licenses, identification cards, passports, a credit card, receipts, tickets, a red bandana, pages from the Koran, and "a checklist reminding the terrorists to blend in when boarding planes and instructing them to 'shave their beards.'" Referring to items found at the supposed crash site of Flight 93, FBI agent A. Todd McCall said the hijackers "thought their identification would be destroyed during the attacks," but, he added, "They were wrong." [57]

But if the real perpetrators of the attacks included people who worked for the U.S. military and other government agencies, planting such items as these would have had obvious benefits. The presence of these items at the crash scene would have diverted suspicion away from the actual perpetrators and focused it instead onto Muslim terrorists.

Other paper items that remarkably survived intact included a couple of Bibles. Several witnesses noticed one of these at the crash scene. [58] Terry Shaffer and Sam Wills recalled seeing "very little debris ... scattered around the smoldering impact crater left by the plane." However, they said that "about 15 yards from the pit ... lay an obviously well-used Bible that, oddly, was unscorched." [59] Wallace Miller saw the other Bible that was found at the crash scene in a warehouse where victims' belongings were kept. [60]

Might these Bibles have been planted as propaganda for the "war on terror" that the 9/11 attacks would initiate? Perhaps they were meant to symbolize the "good" Christian passengers and crew members on Flight 93 who had courageously and selflessly taken on "evil" Muslim terrorists.

FLIGHT 93'S BLACK BOXES WERE FOUND AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS IN THE GROUND
Another detail that suggests debris was planted at the alleged crash site is the locations where Flight 93's "black boxes" were found. The two black boxes on a plane are the flight data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder. All commercial aircraft carry these devices, which record a plane's condition and performance while it is in flight. They are mounted in the tail of an aircraft. [61]

Flight 93's black boxes were found in the crater at the alleged crash site. The flight data recorder was recovered late in the afternoon of September 13 and the cockpit voice recorder was recovered during the evening of September 14. [62] Significantly, although the black boxes are located next to each other on a plane, those from Flight 93 were found at different depths in the ground. The flight data recorder was found 15 feet into the crater and the cockpit voice recorder 25 feet into it. [63]

FBI agent Wells Morrison commented: "It was strange. The black boxes are right next to each other on the aircraft, but one was found 13 feet deeper into the crater than the other." In other words, had Flight 93 really crashed at this location, the black boxes should have been found in the same place. The fact that they weren't suggests they were planted at the site, but had carelessly been placed at different depths in the soil. Morrison also commented that FBI agents had been "surprised, quite honestly, that we didn't find [the black boxes] sooner." [64]

DEBRIS WAS FOUND MILES AWAY FROM THE ALLEGED CRASH SITE
Another problem with the official account of what happened to Flight 93 is the fact that debris, apparently from the crash, was found far away from the site where the plane is supposed to have gone down.

Part of a plane's engine, weighing about 1,000 pounds, was recovered "a considerable distance" from the alleged crash site, according to Lyle Szupinka. [65] John Marshall, a state police fire marshal and criminal investigator who found this piece of wreckage, said it was "600 yards from the crash site." [66]

Other wreckage was found near a pond by firefighter Mike Sube and a couple of his colleagues. This included "a portion of the landing gear and the fuselage," according to Sube. Sube said that "one of the tires was still intact with the bracket, and probably about three to five windows of the fuselage were actually in one piece lying there." [67]

Some debris was found around Indian Lake, about three miles from the main crash scene. [68] Carol Delasko, who worked at Indian Lake Marina, said that moments after the crash apparently occurred, she saw a cloud of debris, several hundred feet across, above the lake. [69] "It just looked like confetti raining down all over the air above the lake," she described. [70]

Tom Spinelli, who also worked at the marina, said the debris was "mainly mail, bits of in-flight magazine, and scraps of seat cloth." [71] Brad Boyer, who was fishing on the lake on the morning of September 11, recalled that he heard "a huge bang" and then the sky "rained garbage." The debris he saw included "paper" and "tinfoil--little pieces of it." [72] Some of the debris landed on Terry Lowery's nearby farm. Lowery said it comprised "paper, insulation, and mail." [73]

On the morning of September 12, debris began washing up on the shore of the lake. This included "something that looked like a rib bone amid pieces of seats, small chunks of melted plastic, and checks," according to marina employee John Fleegle. [74]

Furthermore, some lightweight debris was found in the borough of New Baltimore, about eight miles from the supposed crash site and separated from it by a mountain ridge. [75] One New Baltimore resident, Melanie Hankinson, had been told by a neighbor, "There was a loud bang and smoke, and then these papers started blowing through your yard." [76] Hankinson subsequently found "several financial documents, an airline magazine, a pilot handbook, and other small pieces of debris." [77] She recalled, "There was some black webbing"--apparently from insulation that had lined the belly of the plane. "A lot of people found that," she added. [78]

DEBRIS WAS RISING INTO THE AIR
The existence of these debris fields away from the main crash scene has led some people to suggest that Flight 93 either came down after a bomb on board exploded, or was shot down by a U.S. military fighter jet. [79] However, the amount of material discovered at these sites seems to have been fairly small, presumably a lot less than would have been found had an airliner weighing over 100 tons started breaking up in mid-air. For example, FBI agents eventually only carted away "a large garbage bag full of debris" that they recovered from Indian Lake, according to John Fleegle. [80] And the debris found in New Baltimore seems to have been a fairly small amount of paper and other lightweight material.

What is more, Carol Delasko said the cloud of confetti-like debris she saw over Indian Lake had been "rising about 200 feet into the air" around the time the crash apparently occurred. [81] Had this debris come from an aircraft breaking up in mid-air, it surely would not have been "rising." And Brad Boyer said the material he saw coming down onto the lake included "leaves. A lot of leaves." [82] Surely leaves would not have fallen out of an aircraft disintegrating in the sky.

As well as being inconsistent with the official account of what happened to Flight 93, therefore, the evidence relating to the additional debris fields appears inconsistent with the alternative theories that the plane was brought down by a bomb or by a missile fired from a fighter jet. Might the debris at these locations instead have been planted somehow, like the debris at the main crash scene, to add to the impression that Flight 93 went down in this part of rural Pennsylvania?

COTTAGE IN THE WOODS WAS TURNED INTO 'A TOTAL RUIN'
Another notable piece of evidence is the damage that was suffered by a cottage near the alleged crash site. The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported that "every window and door" of the cottage "had been blown off and obliterated, [the cottage's] ceilings and floor tiles had been blasted loose, and much of the interior was wrecked." [83] Furniture had been tossed around, the refrigerator was twisted backwards and shoved away from the wall, and items had been thrown from the cupboards onto the floor. [84]

Barry Hoover, the man who lived in the cottage, found a large amount of debris, apparently from Flight 93, surrounding his home, including "papers strewn everywhere ... small pieces of wire all over ... just a lot of small bits of fragmented debris." [85] Now & Then magazine reported that the impact of debris from the plane made the cottage "structurally unsound, shifting it an inch and a half off the foundation." [86]

The garage next to the cottage was also badly damaged, with its door turned "inside out and upside down." Local solicitor Daniel Rullo recalled, "The way it was described to me was that [the garage door] must have been blown up, the springs snapped, and it came back upside down." [87]

COTTAGE WAS SUPPOSEDLY DAMAGED BY THE 'SHOCK WAVE' FROM THE CRASH
The damage to Barry Hoover's cottage was reportedly caused by "the shock waves set off" when Flight 93 hit the ground. [88] The Washington Post described, "The shock wave from Flight 93 ... spewed debris through the woods with such force that it blew out all the windows and doors, and shook the foundation on Barry's place." [89]

And yet it seems odd that this cottage suffered such significant damage, especially considering that there was so little damage at the site where Flight 93 supposedly went down. For example, Patrick Madigan recalled that at the alleged crash site, "All there was was a hole in the ground and a smoking debris pile." [90] William Baker commented that the crash scene "really didn't look like anything major." [91] Barry Hoover said that his cottage, meanwhile, "looked like what you see after a tornado or hurricane goes through--a total ruin." [92]

Hoover's cottage was reportedly located "a few hundred yards away" from where Flight 93 supposedly crashed. [93] It was also "nestled in a thick stand of trees." [94] Why then was it so badly damaged? Might the damage have been created by the perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks, as part of their attempt at fabricating evidence to support the official account of what happened to Flight 93?

LARGE QUANTITIES OF PLANE WRECKAGE AND HUMAN REMAINS WERE LATER FOUND
Even though numerous witnesses have said they saw little or no plane wreckage at the alleged crash site of Flight 93, after searching the area for just 12 days, the FBI announced that it had completed its work at the site and claimed it had recovered 95 percent of the plane from there. [95] And despite the lack of human remains that witnesses noticed, searchers were subsequently able to find about 1,500 pieces of human tissue around the site, according to the Washington Post, which together weighed about 600 pounds. [96] Although this was only around eight percent of the total weight of those on the plane, it was still a considerable amount in light of the accounts of witnesses who made comments such as, "I was surprised to find that I saw no human remains."

A possibility that should be investigated, considering this discrepancy between the accounts of witnesses and the claims that significant amounts of plane wreckage and human remains were found, is that debris was planted at the alleged crash site in the days after 9/11, during the recovery effort.

It appears there may have been a period when work at the site stopped, during which this could have happened. On Monday, September 17, relatives of the passengers and crew members on Flight 93 visited the crash scene. [97] Tom Bender, a therapist who helped support those involved with the recovery effort, recalled that "machines"--presumably digging equipment--that were being used at the site had to be stopped that day. Some workers later complained: "Why did they make us stop when all the families came? I would have wanted to see people digging and working, trying to find my uncle's body."

When the recovery effort resumed, workers had much more success in finding wreckage, including evidence connecting the alleged terrorists to what happened on Flight 93. Bender recalled that following the victims' relatives' visit to the site, he "started hearing reports that [recovery workers] were finding a lot more evidence than they ever expected. 'Bad guy stuff' was the terminology that I heard used." Bender added, "This apparently was a rich place for evidence." [98] Could this have been because debris was planted around the time work stopped for the relatives' visit?

Two days after the relatives' visit, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported, "As investigators have delved deeper below the impact point, the material unearthed has become increasingly larger and more recognizable than the extremely fragmented debris found nearer the surface." FBI spokesman William Crowley stated, "As they go deeper, they're finding material that's more significant; I'll leave it at that." [99] Much of the plane wreckage was reportedly found "buried 20 to 25 feet below the large crater." [100]

CONFLICTING EVIDENCE OF WHAT HAPPENED AT THE CRASH SITE
Evidence relating to the crash of Flight 93 is filled with contradictions, like the claim that much of the aircraft was recovered from the crash scene, even though witnesses had seen almost nothing resembling plane wreckage there. Rick King even noted contradictions between separate pieces of evidence he observed himself. King, who lived in Shanksville, had been standing on his front porch when the crash apparently took place. He later recalled hearing "like a whining, screaming noise of the engines," and then seconds later, he said, "the ground shook underneath my feet. I mean my porch, the house, everything just rumbled." [101]

When he arrived at the crash scene, however, he could see "nothing really identifiable as far as a plane." [102] Seeing, instead, pieces of mail "scattered everywhere," King began thinking that "maybe this wasn't a commercial airliner" that had crashed. "Maybe it was a mail plane or a Learjet or a commuter plane." But, he commented: "I couldn't put that together with the explosion I had heard and felt. It had to be something with a lot of fuel to make that sound and that rumble two miles away in town." [103]

Surely if the official story of Flight 93 was true, there would be more consistency between different pieces of evidence of the crash, since they all would have originated from the same event. The contradictions between separate pieces of evidence are therefore another indication that, rather than Flight 93 having crashed in the field near Shanksville, evidence was created and debris was planted to deceive people into thinking that was what happened.

The fact that there was so much suspicious and contradictory evidence, and that the many anomalies regarding the crash have never been adequately explained, means that the fate of Flight 93 is still unknown. There are a lot of questions that urgently need to be addressed.

For example, if debris that was intended to appear as if it came from a plane crash was planted at the alleged crash site, when and how was it put there? Who planted it? Importantly, if Flight 93 did not crash in this field in Pennsylvania, what happened to it? What was the fate of its unfortunate passengers and crew? And who was behind this outrageous act?

These questions need to be examined as part of a rigorous new investigation of the 9/11 attacks, in which investigators diligently follow the evidence wherever it leads. Until that happens, the fate of Flight 93 should be regarded as an unsolved crime.

NOTES
[1] David McCall, From Tragedy to Triumph. Johnstown, PA: Noah's Ark Publishing Company, 2002, p. 86.
[2] Newseum With Cathy Trost and Alicia C. Shepard, Running Toward Danger: Stories Behind the Breaking News of 9/11. Lanham., MD: Rowman & Littlefield, 2002, p. 149.
[3] Glenn J. Kashurba, Courage After the Crash: Flight 93 Aftermath--An Oral and Pictorial Chronicle. Somerset, PA: SAJ Publishing, 2002, p. 60.
[4] 9/11 Commission, The 9/11 Commission Report: Final Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States. New York: W. W. Norton & Company, 2004, pp. 10-14; "Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs): Flight 93 National Memorial." National Park Service, July 2011.
[5] Jere Longman, "Flight 93: Refusing to Give in Without a Fight." New York Times, September 11, 2002.
[6] Michael Cowden, "Memories of Flight 93 Crash Still Fresh at 5-Year Anniversary." Associated Press, September 3, 2006.
[7] Jere Longman, Among the Heroes: United Flight 93 and the Passengers and Crew Who Fought Back. New York: HarperCollins, 2002, p. 216.
[8] "The Crash in Somerset: 'It Dropped Out of the Clouds.'" Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, September 12, 2001.
[9] Newseum With Cathy Trost and Alicia C. Shepard, Running Toward Danger, p. 148.
[10] Peter Perl, "Hallowed Ground." Washington Post, May 12, 2002.
[11] "The Crash in Somerset: 'It Dropped Out of the Clouds.'"
[12] Michael Cowden, "Memories of Flight 93 Crash Still Fresh at 5-Year Anniversary."
[13] Newseum With Cathy Trost and Alicia C. Shepard, Running Toward Danger, p. 149.
[14] Glenn J. Kashurba, Courage After the Crash, p. 110.
[15] Richard Gazarik and Robin Acton, "Black Box Recovered at Shanksville Site." Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, September 14, 2001; "Oral History Interview of Major Lyle H. Szupinka." Pennsylvania State Police Historical, Educational & Memorial Center, May 31, 2007.
[16] Patty Yauger, "Tribute Flags Serve as Reminder of Attack Victims, Terror War's Costs." Uniontown Herald-Standard‎, June 16, 2005; "Never Forget: New 9/11 Scholarships Help Students." WINK News Now, November 10, 2011.
[17] Glenn J. Kashurba, Courage After the Crash, pp. 59-60.
[18] Ibid. p. 64.
[19] Ibid. p. 43.
[20] David McCall, From Tragedy to Triumph, p. 25.
[21] Michael Cowden, "Memories of Flight 93 Crash Still Fresh at 5-Year Anniversary."
[22] Sally Kalson, "Voices of 9/11: Witness, First Responder, Coroner, Relative." Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, March 30, 2012.
[23] Michael Cowden, "Memories of Flight 93 Crash Still Fresh at 5-Year Anniversary."
[24] Susan Nicol Kyle, "Pennsylvania Firefighters Share Bond With Flight 93 Families." Firehouse, September 11, 2008.
[25] Jere Longman, Among the Heroes, p. 260.
[26] Glenn J. Kashurba, Courage After the Crash, p. 121; Wes Allison, "Small Town Shoulders a Nation's Grief." St. Petersburg Times, September 10, 2003.
[27] "Jet Crashes Near Somerset; Passenger Reported Hijacking in Phone Call." Associated Press, September 11, 2001.
[28] Glenn J. Kashurba, Courage After the Crash, p. 130.
[29] Patty Yauger, "Tribute Flags Serve as Reminder of Attack Victims, Terror War's Costs"; "Never Forget: New 9/11 Scholarships Help Students."
[30] "Response and Recovery: Shanksville, Pennsylvania." Federal Bureau of Investigation, n.d.
[31] "757-200 Technical Characteristics." Boeing, n.d.
[32] Newseum With Cathy Trost and Alicia C. Shepard, Running Toward Danger, p. 148.
[33] Steve Levin and Tom Barnes, "Flight 93 Relatives Gathering for Service." Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, September 17, 2001; Mike O'Brien, "More Than 70 Agencies Involved in Flight 93 Crash Investigation." Daily American, September 20, 2001.
[34] John O'Callaghan and Daniel Bower, "Study of Autopilot, Navigation Equipment, and Fuel Consumption Activity Based on United Airlines Flight 93 and American Airlines Flight 77 Digital Flight Data Recorder Information." National Transportation Safety Board, February 13, 2002; "Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs): Flight 93 National Memorial."
[35] Mike O'Brien, "More Than 70 Agencies Involved in Flight 93 Crash Investigation."
[36] Tom Gibb, "Latest Somerset Crash Site Findings May Yield Added IDs." Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, October 3, 2001.
[37] "Environmental Restoration Begins at Somerset Site." Pittsburgh Channel, October 2, 2001.
[38] Robert E. McCleery, Summary of Evidence for Establishing Dates on Which Cleanup of the Pentagon and Shanksville, Pennsylvania Sites of the Terrorist-Related Aircraft Crashes of September 11, 2001 Concluded. World Trade Center Health Program, February 8, 2012, pp. v-vi, 21-23.
[39] Mike Wagner and Ken McCall, "Calls Suggest Passengers Thwarted Hijackers." Dayton Daily News, September 13, 2001.
[40] Mary Jo Dangel, "Sacred Ground in Pennsylvania." St. Anthony Messenger, September 2006; "Response and Recovery: Shanksville, Pennsylvania."
[41] Glenn J. Kashurba, Courage After the Crash, p. 56.
[42] Peter Perl, "Hallowed Ground."
[43] David McCall, From Tragedy to Triumph, pp. 29-30.
[44] Robb Frederick, "The Day That Changed America." Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, September 11, 2002.
[45] Bobbie Black, "Witnesses Recall Plane Crash." Daily American, September 12, 2001.
[46] "Oral History Interview of Major Lyle H. Szupinka."
[47] Jere Longman, Among the Heroes, p. 217; Gerard Wright, "On Hallowed Ground." The Age, September 9, 2002.
[48] David McCall, From Tragedy to Triumph, pp. 86-87.
[49] Robb Frederick, "The Day That Changed America."
[50] Bobbie Black, "Witnesses Recall Plane Crash."
[51] David McCall, From Tragedy to Triumph, pp. 31-32.
[52] Glenn J. Kashurba, Courage After the Crash, pp. 32, 38.
[53] Sandra Lepley, "International Terror Touches Somerset County." Daily American, September 12, 2001.
[54] Jere Longman, Among the Heroes, pp. 213-214.
[55] John Carlin, "Unanswered Questions: The Mystery of Flight 93." The Independent, August 13, 2002.
[56] Glenn J. Kashurba, Courage After the Crash, p. 129.
[57] Jeremy Boren, "Investigators Had to Improvise at Somerset County Crash Site." Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, September 4, 2011; Paul Peirce, "Investigators Tell of Emotions Associated With United 93 Crash." Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, September 10, 2012.
[58] Glenn J. Kashurba, Courage After the Crash, pp. 43, 110; Susan Nicol Kyle, "Pennsylvania Firefighters Share Bond With Flight 93 Families"; Jerry Bowyer, "Flight 93, the Crater, and the Open Book." American Vision, September 12, 2009; Dennis McCafferty, "Legionnaire Found Miracle in Flight 93 Debris." American Legion, September 9, 2010.
[59] Mike Masterson, "Flight 93: A Hallowed Field." Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, June 13, 2006.
[60] Peter Perl, "Hallowed Ground."
[61] "Setback Over Pittsburgh Black Box." BBC News, September 15, 2001.
[62] Tom Gibb, James O'Toole, and Cindi Lash, "Investigators Locate 'Black Box' From Flight 93; Widen Search Area in Somerset Crash." Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, September 13, 2001; Matthew P. Smith, "Flight 93 Voice Recorder Found in Somerset County Crash Site." Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, September 15, 2001.
[63] Jere Longman, Among the Heroes, p. 217; "Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs): Flight 93 National Memorial."
[64] Glenn J. Kashurba, Courage After the Crash, p. 115.
[65] Richard Gazarik and Robin Acton, "Black Box Recovered at Shanksville Site"; Dick White, "Town Embraces Role it Never Sought." New Bedford Standard-Times, September 11, 2002.
[66] Joe Pinchot, "Flight 93 Probe Involved Trooper With Local Ties." Sharon Herald, October 8, 2001.
[67] Glenn J. Kashurba, Courage After the Crash, pp. 36-37.
[68] "'Black Box' From Pennsylvania Crash Found." CNN, September 13, 2001.
[69] James O'Toole, Tom Gibb, and Cindi Lash, "Flight Data Recorder May Hold Clues to Suicide Flight." Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, September 14, 2001.
[70] Debra Erdley, "Crash Debris Found 8 Miles Away." Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, September 14, 2001.
[71] Richard Wallace, "What Did Happen to Flight 93?" Daily Mirror, September 12, 2002.
[72] Dennis Roddy, "Flight 93 Work is a Major Stressor for Somerset Coroner." Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, November 3, 2001.
[73] James O'Toole, Tom Gibb, and Cindi Lash, "Flight Data Recorder May Hold Clues to Suicide Flight."
[74] Debra Erdley, "Crash Debris Found 8 Miles Away."
[75] "'Black Box' From Pennsylvania Crash Found"; Debra Erdley, "Crash Debris Found 8 Miles Away."
[76] Dennis Roddy, "A Year After Explosive Discord, Town Still Seeks Harmony." Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, September 11, 2002.
[77] Mike Wagner and Ken McCall, "Plane Damaged Before Crash." Dayton Daily News, September 14, 2001.
[78] Dennis Roddy, "A Year After Explosive Discord, Town Still Seeks Harmony."
[79] See William Bunch, "We Know it Crashed, But Not Why." Philadelphia Daily News, November 15, 2001; John Carlin, "Unanswered Questions: The Mystery of Flight 93"; Richard Wallace, "What Did Happen to Flight 93?"
[80] Debra Erdley, "Crash Debris Found 8 Miles Away."
[81] James O'Toole, Tom Gibb, and Cindi Lash, "Flight Data Recorder May Hold Clues to Suicide Flight."
[82] Dennis Roddy, "Flight 93 Work is a Major Stressor for Somerset Coroner."
[83] Cindi Lash, "Flight 93 Crash Shook His House Like a Tornado." Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, September 14, 2001.
[84] Janet Frank Atkinson, "Pride and Sorrow: Shanksville, Pennsylvania, and the Aftermath of September 11." Now & Then, Spring 2002.
[85] "Life After Death: Can an Explosion Echo Forever?" Los Angeles Times, October 21, 2001.
[86] Janet Frank Atkinson, "Pride and Sorrow."
[87] Glenn J. Kashurba, Courage After the Crash, p. 122.
[88] Cindi Lash, "Flight 93 Crash Shook His House Like a Tornado."
[89] Peter Perl, "Hallowed Ground."
[90] Michael Cowden, "Memories of Flight 93 Crash Still Fresh at 5-Year Anniversary."
[91] Glenn J. Kashurba, Courage After the Crash, p. 43.
[92] Cindi Lash, "Flight 93 Crash Shook His House Like a Tornado."
[93] Peter Perl, "Hallowed Ground."
[94] Cindi Lash, "Flight 93 Crash Shook His House Like a Tornado."
[95] Tom Gibb, "FBI Ends Site Work, Says no Bomb Used." Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, September 25, 2001.
[96] Peter Perl, "Hallowed Ground."
[97] James O'Toole, Michael A. Fuoco, and Tom Gibb, "First Lady Meets Flight 93 Families at Somerset Site." Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, September 18, 2001; Vicki Haddock, "Heroes of Flight 93 Honored." San Francisco Chronicle, September 18, 2001.
[98] Glenn J. Kashurba, Courage After the Crash, p. 146.
[99] Tom Gibb and James O'Toole, "Support of Strangers in Somerset County a Boost to Survivors of Flight 93 Victims." Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, September 19, 2001.
[100] Dick White, "Town Embraces Role it Never Sought."
[101] Glenn J. Kashurba, Courage After the Crash, p. 29.
[102] "First Fireman on Scene of Flight 93 Crash Reflects on 9/11." WFMY News 2, September 6, 2011.
[103] Glenn J. Kashurba, Courage After the Crash, pp. 32-33.

Fatal Flaw

I'm shocked that the moderators posted this on the front page, let alone at all. Though it's fairly well written and adequately cited, it has a fatal flaw that should have disqualified it outright.

"This evidence suggests that what witnesses saw might actually have been the result of an attempt to fake the scene of a plane crash in an appalling act of deception, rather than the site of a genuine crash. The relatively small amount of debris that some witnesses noticed could have been planted."

I really thought this movement, and especially 911Blogger, had matured to the point to reject this sort of undocumented, unverified, rabid speculation. It's fuel for our adversaries.

Considering posts that I and friends have tried to post here that were rejected wholesale, even though they contained zero speculation or far fetched theories, I am thoroughly shocked that this made it through the screening. While the crash site is highly suspicious, there isn't a stitch of evidence that debris was planted, and the author doesn't even attempt to suggest any other possibilities for the lack of debris.

Shame on 911 Blogger

We make mistakes.

It would be difficult to "fake" (whatever that means) the damage to the ground, and plant debris over a large area. Unnecessary speculation, I agree. Speculating gets us all in trouble. We should stick to sources.

We are not above criticism, I moved the post to the blogs.

I also applaud Shoesting for his work.

agreed

Yes, I applaud shoestring's work too. This is very well sourced/footnoted and I might even print it out and use it for future reference, sans the handful of speculative remarks. This should be an example for all of us that no matter how well sourced we try to be, if we go off track into speculation it can ruin the effect we might have on the people we want/need to influence the most.

In this case, it was so well sourced, the speculation was totally unnecessary. But I still look forward to reading more from shoestring in the future. Thanks shoestring for the painstaking effort.

speculating

I cant help but post my own speculation... we know a way to accomplish the scene described without planting evidence. Small parts, widely dispersed. Something dense hit the ground at this site. Other parts landed elsewhere. The woods behind the site were on fire.

Mahayana versus Hinayana

".... if we go off track into speculation it can ruin the effect we might have on the people we want/need to influence the most." I have stated this before but will again: this is the same argument between the Mahayana and Hinayana Buddhists and can be attributed to an approach or an outlook but doesn't change the fact that they are still all Buddhists. The obstacle to disseminating any information that is different than the official story is getting people to listen to anything at all. I would wager that most people don't even know the principle players in the OCT, let alone any conspiratorial revision of the same. I have never gotten down to brass tacks with any Jahovah's Witnesses so their message, whatever that is, has never been any kind of affront to me, my only problem with them is the fact that they have gotten through my screen; so, I don't even know what they are selling, just not on my stoop,please. I am currently slogging through Army of Evil: A History of the SS By Adrian Weale. Written by a Sandhurst graduate this is a book for people who have read everything else on the subject as he names all the players. In the preface to Army of Evil ,and it was that, Weale celebrates the fact that he never had to participate in a "mass killing machine." Weale, an officer in the British Army Intelligence Corps*, was called up in 2003 and shipped to Iraq where he became the Deputy Governor of Dhi Qar Province, although I think he said for an interim he was plenipotentiary. With up to an estimated 1,000,000, Iraqi dead this chap is happy to feel that he is not a part of any killing machine. There is your "enemy" right there not Weale per se but the shabby casuistry that we have made of our reason.

*Torturadores

I agree this speculation seems problematic

But in Shoestring's defence it's not as if the idea that the state would plant evidence is off the wall. You need only do a search for planted evidence cases/examples, false evidence cases/examples, or similar terms to see that there are many examples of 'authorities' planting evidence not just in the US but around the world. The cops in the US are caught doing it frequently to people in the war on drugs. There was the New York State Police Scandal 1993. In Iraq US soldiers plant drop weapons to make murdered Iraqis appear as combatants etc etc.

Perhaps in a future article Shoestring could support his implications of planted evidence with examples from the public record as I have done here. I think it is fair to say that although suggestions of authorities (or someone) planting evidence at the Flight 93 crash scene are difficult to prove and should not be leaned on critically they can not be ruled out entirely and leave it to the reader to draw his/her own conclusions

Agree as well

With SO much effort given to convince our own to stop claiming the pentagon scene was staged, the same should go for Shanksville. It isn't reasonable IMO to posit such elaborate speculation when other more innocuous reasons would fit as well. (ie the different depths of the two recorders). I very much appreciate Shoestring's contributions and this well sourced piece would be much better without any mentions of staging. Just my 2 cents.

peace all
dtg

Shanksville site.

I read that the "gouge" at the alleged Shanksville site appears on pre-911 google earth images . Does anyone have a link to those early images ?

The Winged Shaped Hole-Flight 93 (circa. 1984)

The Winged Shaped Hole-Flight 93

Published on Jul 20, 2012

Long Before 9/11/2001 there was a winged shape hole in the ground which happened to be located at the exact same coordinates as flight 93's crash hole, er crash site. Found searching USGS archives, this winged shape hole (circa. 1984) looks like a perfect place to center a missile and call an impact crater. Who needs an airplane, those look like wings to me. Someone found a great place to create the legend. The legend of flight 93. The story reads good (I love the "lets roll" line) But could they fool everybody with such weak images and no evidence? Go sell a story so outrageously fake that no one will dare tell the emperor that he's buck naked.

Incorrect

I checked this last time it was posted and the locations didnt match.

EDIT: found it:
http://911blogger.com/news/2008-10-11/shanksville-crash-scar-visible-photo-taken-1994

Where's the '94 scar then?

Where is the '94 scar then? It should be on top of the '01 crater! Unless perhaps the '94 crater was filled in before 9/11, in which case another one could have been created pre-9/11..... It'd be nice to know if a scar was there on 9/10. No google images later than '94?

Too coincidental that a scar of almost the identical size and shape and depth exists (existed) within a few feet of the crash site which then created this same feature again! That might be my #1 coincidence of all time if it's an innocent fact.
http://xmarinx.sweb.cz/UA93crashsiteUSGC1994.jpg

Pics here

http://911blogger.com/news/2007-09-05/911-new-video-shows-proof-flight-93-did-not-crash-pennsylvania

Man that's a old thread. The scars are not the same size or in the same location. It's a old coal mine...

Thank you very much for this

Thank you very much for this very interesting collection of facts, partly unknown to me.

For me as a layman, the described overall picture would speak for a very powerful explosion as the plane hit the ground, an "unnatural" strong one:

FEMA stated, regarding the plane impacts at the WTC:
"Although dramatic, these fireballs did not explode or generate a shock wave."

But here in Shanksville the plane impact was so aggressive, that the shock-wave destroyed partly a cottage, which stood "a few hundred yards away".

So: Either explosives could have been inside the plane, or the plane could have hit a bomb hidden in the ground, or missile hit the plane as it was already falling down or ...

Enigmatic Crater

This Wile E. Coyote crater exerts interesting powers. The black boxes were said to have been recovered on Sept 13 and 14th. The voice recorder was found buried 25 feet BELOW the crater, but no sign of the tail section which housed the recorders. (Usually the last part of a plane to survive a plane crash).

So if the plane nose-dived leaving deep wing imprints in the soft soil, how is it that one engine is said to have been found buried below the crater, while the other engine was found 2,000 feet away??

If both wings made this deep cartoon-like outline in the soft soil, why aren't both engines in the ground? And if the black boxes are submerged below the crater, what happened to the tail section? And if the plane submerged, how can you have debris fields miles away?

We don't see plane wreckage inside the crash crater because it's way down UNDER the crater .... unless it's a few miles away!

what plane ?

Ground penetrating radar should be able to pick up the entire plane underground...has anyone tried ?

Ground Penetrating Radar

95% of the plane was supposedly recovered (the other 5% at the Pentagon, ha-ha!?) so there is no longer any thing to search for using ground penetrating radar.

Shoestring's work is always excellently researched and it is always good to offer several options for the supposed publicized set of facts, especially in the light of zero-analysis from the MSM, either
a) A plane came with exceedingly anomalous wreckage at 10.03 or 10.06 - hey whatever, what do want here, science???
b) A plane didn't come down at all - in which case explain the explosion and paper?

The killer fact that Shoestring failed to mention, no doubt will in a future revision, is the incredible coincidence of the plane falling into a pre-existing plane-shaped hole.

"pre-existing plane-shaped hole!! Cartoonish

Joe

You tore a page right out of the Bush Administrations book with this cartoon of mass destruction!

Good show.

The lack of substantial jet fuel fires at the scene nor its expected contamination of the soil has always made me skeptical of this whole event. The powers that be certainly made hay in reminding us of all the jet fuel in the tower fires. The official story falls apart everywhere you look.

I'm laughing

:)

Sourceless assertion

"pre-exising plane-shaped hole"

Source please.

This has been hashed out a few times. As posted above, the 94 scar is not in the same location, it's not the same size, and it's not at the same angle as the scar from 9/11.

from: http://911blogger.com/news/2008-10-11/shanksville-crash-scar-visible-photo-taken-1994#comment-199081

from: http://911blogger.com/news/2007-09-05/911-new-video-shows-proof-flight-93-did-not-crash-pennsylvania#comment-159838

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Not quite sourceless...

I know the direction/orientation of the pre-existing hole has changed. However your (very good) diagrams do show that there has been a lot of earth moving and earth works at EXACTLY the point of impact. I agree that the orientation of that ditch is different between 1994 and 2001. We can can continue to argue over the number of angels on a pin head but the totality of the story on 9/11 would lead any right minded thinking person that the official story of 9/11 is false (we agree on that, right?) hence, as shoestring has demonstrated in his analysis, amongst the number of anomalies in the Flight 93 crash is the fact that the plane crashed right on the spot of previous major earthworks.

Speculation

"Rabid" speculation"? "Unnecessary" speculation? Plain ol' speculation?

When we seek the truth and don't have access to all the information, for various legal and illegal reasons, there has to be some degree of speculation. That's exactly what a detective investigating a murder and a scientist observing a new phenomenon do. They initially speculate. They then gather information (ah, if it were so easy) and then see which theory best fits the initial speculation. They then repeat the process. And again. Each time incrementally getting closer to the truth.

This is exactly what Shoestring is doing--and he admits it. Read his penultimate paragraph: It is littered with the words "if", "who?", "how?", "when?", "what?".

Then read his last paragraph: "These questions need to be examined as part of a rigorous new investigation of the 9/11 attacks, in which investigators diligently follow the evidence wherever it leads. Until that happens, the fate of Flight 93 should be regarded as an unsolved crime."

Speculation, indeed! Get some backbone!

Feynman

Speculation ("guessing") is an integral part of the scientific method, but which must eventually be corroborated by data and consistency with known laws.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b240PGCMwV0

Concerns

"As well as being inconsistent with the official account of what happened to Flight 93, therefore, the evidence relating to the additional debris fields appears inconsistent with the alternative theories that the plane was brought down by a bomb or by a missile fired from a fighter jet."

I disagree. The evidence is reasonably consistent with the scenario whereby real people were killed when a real commercial jet was hit with a real missile and was plunged to the ground.

"evidence was created and debris was planted to deceive people into thinking that was what happened."

Indeed, planting evidence to implicate criminals may be what cops are expert at, but that has little bearing on the most likely overall explanation for these events -- that the plane was shot down.

This essay surprises me, I have to admit.

And I've seen this pattern before, where the entire analysis assumes from the start that a plane could not have been involved in the scene and so rather than looking at the observations objectively, the far more likely and rational explanation must now be "proven" to have happened at all.

Meanwhile the far less likely situation, that everything was "faked", can just sit back and gloat about how a plane cannot be proven to have been involved if jet fuel isn't just where a reader expects it to be, if a hole "seems" like it isn't right, if windows blasted apart "seem" wrong somehow, and so, must be the only explanation.

A good example of a situation that might have seemed surprising was the recent explosions from a meteor coming down over Russia. There were many unusual variables that we might not have thought could be real if they weren't caught on film. But that doesn't make the meteor "fake". It just means that some events are extremely complex and not intuitive in their outcome. And the fact is, none of us has experienced or witnessed a commercial jet being hit by a missile and then crashing into the ground -- we simply cannot automatically "know" what that event will produce. We can make estimates, but we cannot rule out scenarios like a shoot-down based on the size of the hole.

"Surely if the official story of Flight 93 was true, there would be more consistency between different pieces of evidence of the crash"

Surely the meteor coming down over Russia could not have blown out all those windows? Therefore, they must have been blown out intentionally by the Russians themselves, perhaps for insurance reasons.

Gerard Holmgren was the first I saw to use the line of reasoning in this essay. PentaCon also does it. A series of suggestive anomolies based on opinionated claims (i.e., "the hole couldn't have been that size", while having no means to actually determine a hole size) are stacked up to create a new reality for the reader, while the most likely explanation is brushed aside without much consideration, as 'impossible', 'inconsistent,' etc.

With this line of reasoning, almost anything becomes possible.

Recommended Reading:

ERROR: 'Flight 93 Didn't Crash in Shanksville, PA'

There is abundant evidence that Flight 93 crashed into a reclaimed strip mine, leaving a crater located approximately at 40°03'02" N longitude, 78°45'22" W latitude in Shanksville, PA. The evidence consists of numerous eyewitness reports (such as collected at the website Flight93Crash.com), jetliner debris in and around the crater, including the black boxes, and the identification of the crew and passengers from about 1,500 samples of mostly scorched human remains.

Nonetheless, some people have questioned whether that crater was the resting place of Flight 93, citing the lack of apparent debris at the site. A review of the consequences of high-speed plane crashes and photographs which do show aircraft debris will disabuse most skeptics of the notion that the crash was faked.

Not to be deterred, American Free Press writer Christopher Bollyn published an article on 9/17/04 suggesting that no remains of Flight 93 were recovered from the crater.

Others followed suit, with Morgan Reynolds denying the reported crashes of all four jetliners. Both Loose Change and 9/11 Revealed theorize that Flight 93's crash had been faked, and that the plane had landed in Cleveland.

Such theories are likely to have the effect of discrediting all claims that the attack was an inside job, especially given the emotional importance of accounts of heroism by the passengers of Flight 93.

In contrast to theories that Flight 93's crash were faked, the theory that it was shot down, supported by abundant evidence, is consistent with accounts of the passenger takeover. In fact, the most likely reason for a shoot-down is that the passengers had rescued the plane from the hijackers, and that authorities feared exposure of the larger 9/11 plot if the plane were to land.
http://911review.com/errors/phantom/flight93.html

Actually Victronix

Cops don't plant evidence to "implicate criminals" so much as they plant evidence to implicate innocents. I'm not sure why you used that language. By saying cops plant evidence to "implicate criminals" you make it seem as though planting evidence is justified, a legitimate aspect of police work, something cops do only to criminals. The fact that cops plant evidence on innocents is undisputed and forms a long public record. Even if the cops do plant evidence to "implicate criminals" it is illegal and immoral and bankrupts any investigation or prosecution.

Arie's film Between The Lines

Between The Lines contains a spokesperson backtracking on his earlier report that Flight 93 was shot down.

http://911blogger.com/news/2009-08-28/between-lies-2009-full-length-film

Do we have footage of his original claim that he is correcting?

donald rumsfeld says pennsylvania flight shot down

donald rumsfeld says pennsylvania flight shot down

Let's just forget Rummy's admission.

I really appreciate the efforts of those who take the time

to research the original accounts and testimonies of these events, and lay them out in logical order. So much gets whitewashed in the years after that we forget the initial anomalies and documented strangeness of the events. I'm going to read this in more detail later - have never really read up on Flight 93. But it certainly does not seem speculative in light of all the other plane anomalies of 9/11 that ask us to believe that planes vaporize -- but, oh wait, no they don't because somebody is said to have found the pieces later... and look, here are some pictures of random plane wreckage turning up years later. Ya, super convincing.

This happened with the Pentagon incident as well. No visual evidence of plane wreckage. No one providing an account of plane wreckage, or bodies. No one denying that there was no plane wreckage. (And why wouldn't we have numerous first-hand accounts of this tragic event? "National security"?) Yet some time later, pictures surfacing of random plane bits on the lawn, along with a new explanation that, oh, we couldn't see it from the angle of the existing photos. I guess we're dumb-dumbs. Never mind the question of why those were the only existing photos in the first place and why we still have no actual video record of a plane crashing into the building. This is supposed to convince us? No, speculation is a natural, intelligent response to sketchy, borderline silly, official accounts of bizarre events. I think it's more important to stick with the original facts and accounts, unless the correcting accounts and pieces of information that arise can be assessed beyond reasonable doubt as factual or at least more credible than the original.

After the 3rd sentence...

If you have not had the time to read up on F93, it's likely the same is true for F77. I know that was the case for me years ago when I was (without specifics and sources) arguing that a large jet did not hit the Pentagon. It became obvious I was wrong when I did the homework.

A number of peer reviewed papers exist covering this. A good starting point is:

http://scientistsfor911truth.org/docs/Mazzucco_letter_Oct2013.pdf

NOTE: This thread is about Flight93, not AA77/Pentagon. If you want to discuss the Pentagon, please do so in a thread about the Pentagon. A few selections:

http://911blogger.com/news/2013-04-12/new-paper-scientific-method-911-supports-large-plane-impact-pentagon
http://911blogger.com/news/2012-06-14/renovation-revolution-was-pentagon-attacked-within
http://911blogger.com/news/2012-01-08/pentagon-attack-problems-theories-alternative-large-plane-impact-john-d-wyndham
http://911blogger.com/news/2012-01-08/further-examination-evidence-confirms-pentagon-flyover-theory-be-impossible
http://911blogger.com/news/2011-09-19/fbi-pentagon-911-attack-investigation-photos
http://911blogger.com/news/2011-09-04/new-paper-refutes-pentagon-flyover-claims
http://911blogger.com/news/2011-02-10/jim-hoffman-discusses-pentagon-research
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