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FBI, Congress: Sibel Edmonds case 'unclassified'

Lukery posted this over at Daily Kos.

In a recent speech, Sibel again emphasized that the reason that she has been gagged is not for reasons of national security, but rather to cover-up criminality, treason, by high level US officials.

As evidence for this claim, Sibel explained that for the three months prior to Ashcroft blanket-gagging her case, the FBI was conducting unclassified briefings for Congress on the case.

In other words, from the beginning, neither Congress, nor the FBI, even considered that this information might be classified, let alone a 'national security' issue.

As Michael Ostrolenk, National Director of the Liberty Coalition, said: "The excuse of protecting national security is fallacious."

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During the Q&A session after the speech, Sibel was asked where we should draw the line between disclosure and national security. Sibel responded thusly (mp3 - 3 mins)"

I can tell you, just from my case (and from other whistleblower cases that I've represented) it almost doesn't deal with any classified information at all. That's why they went and retroactively classified the information.

Even with Congress, one important thing that I have tried to emphasize - and unfortunately the mainstream media is not there really as far as these real issues are concerned... When I went to Congress, I didn't know which Congressmen, Congresswomen, Senators to go to! Because part of my case dealt with our representatives, (and this was based on some counter-intelligence operations) were getting cash bribery from foreign governments. And when I internally started reporting this, and it was not getting anywhere, this great agent that I worked with... said:

"Well, let's say you go to Congress. How are you going to determine who is clean to go to?"

And to me that was really sobering, because he told me:

Just based on Turkish counter-intelligence operations, you know of FOUR corrupt congressional people. Take a look at this room (of translators), we have the Chinese Department, we have, you know, the Arabic, including Saudi Arabia and everything. How many (other corrupt Congressfolk) do you think they have come across?

[snip]

When the two Senators, Senator Leahy and Senator Grassley, one Democrat and one Republican, they heard this information, the FBI discussed the entire case with them during an unclassified meeting - meaning the staff members present during that meeting, none - or most - of them didn't have clearances. So the FBI had decided in the beginning that this was not classified. What happened later? 3 months later? when the Attorney General says 'Oops, this is really going to hurt us' - meaning those who were guilty - 'so we're going to decide to classify it'

I'm a bit of a dunce, and I'd never fully appreciated this. Sibel has repeatedly mentioned that she often had to suggest that certain hearings be held inside SCIFs (Sensitive Compartmented Information Facilities) but I had presumed that was simply because the Senate Judiciary Committee staffers didn't really know what they were doing. But here we have the FBI - presumably Counter-Intelligence agents who likely know a thing or two about classification, secrecy and national security - confirming Sibel's allegations in unclassified sessions with Congress.

As I said, I'm a dunce. The ACLU timeline on Sibel's case reads:

"JUNE 2002: Senators Grassley and Leahy write the Justice Department Inspector General a letter asking specific questions about Edmonds' allegations and write that the FBI has confirmed many of her allegations in unclassified briefings. This letter is later retroactively classified in May 2004."

You'd think that I'd have understood this already.  That's the beauty of the Sibel Edmonds case - there's always something 'new' to learn. And this week I learnt that even the FBI didn't think that the information in Sibel's case deserved to be classified, even as a precaution.

(The 75 min video of Sibel's recent ALA speech is available here (500meg) )

Let Sibel Edmonds Speak

Call Waxman. Demand public open hearings:

DC phone: (202) 225-3976

LA phone: 323 651-1040

Capitol switchboard phone: 800-828-0498

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Sibel has stumbled onto the

Sibel has stumbled onto the top of heap, the top of the pile of shit which has hijacked our government. Eliot Abrams, Douglas Feith, Richard Perle and others. They should all be dealt with according to the penalty of high treason.

I'm not biting...yet

I don't get this Sibel Edmonds tale yet. She is admitting that the gag order has nothing to do with National Security...then why adhere to the gag order placed on her by criminals? If she were to go fully public then surely her case would be seen for what it is right? Surely the gag order would be seen for what it is, a cover-up rather then protecting national security right?

If in fact she holds the key to 'unraveling the entire criminal conspiracy that is the Bush administration"....then why not just come out and go fully public? It doesn't add up.

If in fact she does have the evidence that would shine light on the nexus of drug dealing, terrorism, and nuclear black market...then wtf is she waiting for? A mushroom cloud?

Also, does anyone know when the movie "Kill The Messenger" is do out? I've been waiting for a long time and I can't find any news on when this thing is coming out.

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If she goes against the

If she goes against the court order he testimony cannot be used in court...
She knows this and since the BushCo stifled Whistle blower protection for everyone in the Intelligence community, all she can do is bring attention to the fact she is being gagged. Catch-22.

let me get this straight...

She claims she is being gagged by criminals and that she has high dollar evidence that will expose the massive criminal conspiracy that is the bush administration. In the name of protecting the constitution there is only one thing that she should be doing....

Spilling the beans. Let us say that she has some damning evidence. This evidence has to do with terrorism and black market nukes. A black market nuke goes off in New York City. Seems to me the oath she took (and mentions in the video) to uphold the constitution trumps the 'gag order card' on every level of reasoning.

Add to that the fact that she claims to have info about black market nuke trade relative to international terrorism!

Since when does a 'court' help in this type of situation? Historically in the United States...when has an alleged conspiracy of this magnitude ever been taken to the courts and successfully prosecuted?

The argument about courts is moot because we both know the United States government, mainly the Bush administration, is a criminal enterprise and thus...the courts will protect the criminals no matter what. Just look at the Iraq war. Blatant lies, disinfo, and corruption! Where are the courts?

I suppose she is waiting for a black market nuke to go off in NYC to realize this.

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this argument makes the most

this argument makes the most sense to me. if her information is good she has an obligation.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

It's not a court order...

What court has gagged Sibel Edmonds? I was under the impression that the gag order came from the Justice Department as a "State's Secret Privilege".

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I stand corrected - in

I stand corrected - in either case, under the law, she effectively gagged. What would happen if she did talk? Anyone actually know the next few moves after breaking her silence, hypothetically?

They could kill...

Her family in Turkey (which have been threatened before).


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They could...

But apparently, they could also detonate a black market nuke or give a black market nuke to international terrorists.

Either way, the information and the hearings that confirmed 'some of her claims' is shoddy and leaves to much to the imagination. We are all left to rely on one person, Sibel Edmonds.

I'm not biting quite yet.

Also, I've read the summary conclusion from the Office of Inspector General. Sibel Edmonds never brought up the September 11 attack information to them so they did not investigate it. The OIG conclusion also did not investigate the allegations of espionage, rather left that to the FBI.

The OIG's report was only about allegations of her being wrongfully terminated.

To clarify, she was not actually FIRED from the FBI...because she was not actually an FBI Agent but rather was a independent contractor who provided translation service. Her contract was terminated.

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Comment Edit...

The video posted says Kill The Messenger comes out in Spring 08.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

incorrect

the video refers to a book that will be out in 08 - the book is not about her case particularly

http://lukery.blogspot.com

just another piece of

just another piece of evidence that BOTH SIDES of government are in on it!!!

or she would have been on a stand years ago!!!!

my children are not cannon fodder for the n.w.o. and neither are yours!

evidence? WHere?

She has produced no evidence, just her own claims.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

You...

Have NO idea what you're talking about. There are documents to substantiate ALL of her claims as she and others have pointed out time and time again, and there are individuals that work or worked for the FBI that can substantiate her claims as well. We don't have access to them because our corrupt fucking Government no longer works for the people.


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I have an idea...

Jon,

No need to be so divisive.

I actually have studied the Sibel Edmonds case. I do know what I'm talking about.

The evidence that you are SOOOOO sure of is actually 'alleged evidence' and 'alleged witnesses'. In hearings, a summarized conclusion said that 'some' of her claims were confirmed. Which ones? No way to tell because it's classified.

The same summary conclusion found that her firing was related to 'some of her claims'. Which ones? No way to tell because it's classifed.

We both know that the criminal United States government will use classified information to spread disinfo among the populaiton. The goal is to have people speculating and spending hours concocting massive theories. Take the Pentagon for example...the realse of the short clips that show nothing...and yet are presented as conclusive evidence...but just not conclusive enough to shut down the debate of whether a plane hit the Pentagon.

Why should this be any different? How do we know that the 'gag order' is not part of a wild disinfo goose chase meant to side track people? We don't know this because it's classified information!

You admit that you do not have access to the evidence or witnesses and yet somehow...you are 100% sure that it exists and totally corroborates Sibel's narrative. If you don't have access to this information....how the hell do you know what it corroborates? How have you confirmed the veracity of the alleged witnesses?

My point is that we only have tid-bits of information and yet Sibel is being presented as the 'end all' to the Bush Administration's criminal endeavors!

I have huge reservations when someone tells me that such a conclusive case exists but that the corrupt and criminal US Government is hiding the facts from me so I can't actually verify that it is, in fact, as conclusive as Sibel and her supporters present it as.

On another note....

If Sibel has indeed discovered the golden egg that will shut the doors on the Bush Administration's criminal enterprise....then why the hell is she participating in her own silencing by being quiet? If she has the goods, then spill the beans and let the cards fall right? If she has information about black market nukes, international terrorism, and drug trade....I see no reason to keep quiet any longer.

Maybe she is waiting for the final sign of a mushroom cloud? Then she might be compelled to disregard a criminal gag order imposed by criminals for who knows what reason? Maybe to hide or maybe to send people on a wild disinfo goose chase? You don't know and neither do I.

Spill the beans and let the cards fall. For the good of the USA and the Constitution Sibel Edmonds...

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

jpass...

Please continue discussion here if you wish:
http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1922

Thanks.

Jon...

Please continue discussion here if you wish:
http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1922

Thanks.

Ms. Edmonds should be charged w/ Misprision of Treason, winkwink

If someone took Sibel Edmonds to court on the charge of misprision of treason, things could get really interesting. In fact she needs us to charge her with misprision of treason in order to override the gag order. What if we all did it with different judges? Treason and its legal milieu might be the only way to override the over-reaching, goose-stepping Executive branch at this point. check my recent entries about this topic:
http://www.911blogger.com/node/10274 and http://www.911blogger.com/node/10293

See, now this becomes a really interesting legal case here. I wonder if there is a name for our situation in all this, namely, knowing and not telling a judge that someone is not telling a judge what they know about treason. I guess you could call it "misprision of misprision of treason." Anyways, don't we have any constitutional scholars who see the criticality of this moment and the possibility of this situation?! Last year for the 1st time in decades, a young man from Southern California who joined Al-Qaeda was charged and convicted (I think) of treason. They re-opened it up as a possibility, let's take those that funded Al-Qaeda in the 1st place down with it.

I might turn this into a blog entry unless someone convinces me not to.

“Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehoods school. And the one man that dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool.” –Plato

"We must speak the truth about terror." --George W. Bush

"In fact she needs us to

"In fact she needs us to charge her with misprision of treason in order to override the gag order. What if we all did it with different judges?"

Dude, she has told what she knows. She has followed the rules.
You're barking up the wrong tree.