Take Action to Impeach Cheney for 9/11 Crimes!
This just in:
"Yesterday in a stunning development, a bipartisan majority of Congress rejected the attempt to kill the privileged resolution
brought by Dennis Kucinich to impeach Vice President Cheney, for his unprecedented constitutional high crimes. Instead the bill was sent to the House Judiciary Committee, which is exactly where we want it to build momentum. Now all we have to do is pressure them to follow through, and impeachment will be a reality."
You can take action for impeachment at:
H.Res 333 Action Page: http://www.usalone.com/hres333.php
Here is my letter to congress and to my local newspapers:
Impeach Cheney first! HR-333 (impeach Cheney) is the most important article ever to come before the House of Representatives. Strong evidence suggests that Cheney is guilty of high crimes including:
* Lying to the 9/11 Commission about his whereabouts during the crucial hour when Bush was reading about pet goats and going AWOL as Commander-in-Chief; * Issuing a stand-down order to the military to allow the Pentagon to be attacked on 9/11 without interference, as described under oath by former Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta in testimony to the 9/11 Commission; *Destroying a CIA anti-proliferation project by outing Valerie Plame *Planning a false-flag terror event to trigger a nuclear attack on Iran, as described in American Conservative magazine: http://www.amconmag.com/2005_08_01/article3.html *Ordering the murder of Senator Paul Wellstone as outlined in the book American Assassination by Four Arrows and James Fetzer.
Cheney may be the worst mass murderer and traitor not just in US history, but in the history of the world. He's the kind of guy who responds to criticism by shooting a friend in the face--and then making HIM apologize. He must be held accountable, beginning with impeachment, and ending with a treason trial. Any Representatives who do not support impeachment are themselves complicit in Cheney's crimes, and will be judged so by history and by future Nuremburg-style tribunals.
Sincerely,
Dr. Kevin Barrett
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You look like a lunatic
When there is so much strong evidence of Cheney's crimes, making bizarre claims
such as Cheney is the worst mass murderer in the history of the world is extremely
irresponsible and defeats the credibility of your other claims involving arcana known
to anti-Bushcist researchers, but which will only have the effect of alienating legislators
and citizens who lack the background to understand them.
Honestly, Dr. Barrett. Look at what some idiot is circulating under your name!
You have been spending too much time in the echo-chamber of internet radio with
small, self-selected listenership, and your idea of leadership is to charge off even
further than that elite group. That's politically isolating. Your letter is extremely
counter-productive. Can't you find a way to get the attention you so desperately crave
without discrediting the important issues you bring up?
Thank you for your consideration.
When credibilty counts, broad slander is counterproductive.
I have to concur with Petgoat on this one. Dr. Barrett is leaping to conclusions and dragging the movement down with these unsubstantiated claims. There are enough SOLID and IMPEACHABLE crimes to move forward, and saying that Dick Cheney killed Paul Wellstone, etc. only makes us look like fortune tellers. Hell, there might be a very good case for that, but war crimes, lying under oath, and abuse of power will do just fine to put this lying, treasonous bastard behind bars.
Why try to invent fire on one page, when Rome is burning another?
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it might cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know it - now"
- Patrick Henry
The truth is damning enough
I agree: No need for hyperbole. Just be factual.
MrEguy
I agree the absolute truth is way more than damning
enough, it also shows 99.9% of the MSM to be criminally complicit in the crimes and the cover ups.
Best to leave ANYTHING that Fetzer has a hand in out of your argument, please Dr Barrett get the phuck away from this nutbag Fetzer & Woods.
We need to remain as credible as humanly possible, enough of the Space Beams, No planers, the Holocaust, Moon Landing and Global Warming deniers.
Just deal with factual reality and what can be PROVEN way beyond any reasonable doubt, there is plenty to hang these bastards on.
Hear, hear!
Well said.
MrEguy
You speak not boldly but recklessly.
Your citation of the Clinton impeachment unintentionally refutes your
own point: Overstatement led to political failure and derailment of the
Republican revolution such that stealing the 2000 election was
necessary. If you want to make like Newt Gingrich, do it with your
own issue, not ours.
You seem to regard the political landscape as a stage for working out
your adolescent hangups.
Give up your false dichotomies and grow a brain. And take that
sock out of your briefs. Jeez!
not to mention . . .
Not to also mention, the impeachment of William Jefferson Clinton was not successful, a fact many forget when citing that "he was impeached". He faced the Articles of Impeachment, and was not, in fact, impeached.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it might cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know it - now"
- Patrick Henry
what counts
Shows how ridiculous the whole impeachment process is in the first place and how what counts most is the media.
I heard an interesting radio program recently where Krugman was talking about how intense the response is from the right-wing mafia everytime a writer includes a person on the far left in what they are writing. He mentioned someone he knew who had been physically threatened.
It's too bad the anti-war and truth advocates are not organized into a machine like that to constantly shoot off emails and make phone calls to anyone who writes positively about the criminal presidency and its advocates. It can be done without threats and bravado and false claims, just numbers and persistance. In the end, numbers are what we have that is most powerful, but if not organized, an opportunity is lost.
I've been involved in media campaigns that have forced media to cover issues. It mainly takes organization and persistance. Over-the-top stuff gets published to expose the over-the-top nature of the author -- not to highlight the message, but to mock it.
Some people are still operating on the magical theory of activim
That is they expect we will win JUST because we are right and we shout about it.
"t's too bad the anti-war and truth advocates are not organized into a machine like that to constantly shoot off emails and make phone calls to anyone who writes positively about the criminal presidency and its advocates. It can be done without threats and bravado and false claims, just numbers and persistance. In the end, numbers are what we have that is most powerful, but if not organized, an opportunity is lost."
There's that tactics and strategy again. First people have to reciognize they are needed, then there's a LONG learning curve about how to apply them. Face it--the opposition has had loads more practice with this sort of thing to support their parasitic war based ecomomy. And in many case anti war people literally feel bad if they aren't being open and transparent about everything they do--regardless of whether it's smart at a particluar time.
I was going back over 911Blogger's archives, in the Haloscan days of yore, and this subject did come up. Unfortunately, it was organized with the Devil from the start(no fault there--no one could have known) and doomed to failure as a result.
Anyone planning something simular--for fuck's sake, don't advertize it publicly until you're established.
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You do make a good point
To quote:
"Some people are still operating on the magical theory of activim
That is they expect we will win JUST because we are right and we shout about it."
End quote.
May I ask what actions we CAN do in order to deal with the Bush-Cheney Cabal?
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The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it
Clinton Was Impeached
Read your constitution. Impeachment is effectively similar to indictment; it's a finding that sufficient cause exists to have a trial. That trial was held in the Senate and Clinton was not convicted. But he and Andrew Johnson were impeached.
It's not safe for you around here, luv.
Now why don't you blog how we're "learnin' people" about Tarpley at Indy Media UK?
That, or "your special day". Either, or.
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If You Want Me to Plug Your Work
You gotta provide a link. I'm willing to run with it because it fits a post I linked just an hour ago from 9-11 Cultwatch which noted that some "big hitters" in the London Truth movement were conspicuous by their absence from Tarpley's stemwinder there.
Give us all a break--you've seen our posts at Indy UK
Not to hard to find if you've been reading Truthaction--among other places --as faithfully as we know you do.
But go on, focus on the Cultwatch wankers instead of anything usefeul--just continuing to show what you're about, you are.
I should be kind--you're probably just all a flutter over the upcoming nuptals...
http://coljennysparks.blogspot.com/2007/11/pat-curley-has-bridezilla-mom...
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Impeached and acquitted
People often seem to equate the term 'impeach' with conviction in a Senate trial and consequent removal from office. They are different. Clinton was, indeed, impeached by the House in December 1998, then acquitted in the resulting Senate trial the following February--and, accordingly, not removed from office. The same thing happened in the case of Andrew Johnson in 1868. Nixon, ironically, was not impeached: he resigned before it reached that point, precisely because he knew he didn't have support in either the House or Senate, and was sure to be convicted by the Senate once the House had impeached him. So he resigned before either branch of Congress could act.
Regarding historical facts
The death toll of 911 and the ensuing 911 wars may be in the millions.
Let us not FORGET though the mass murders under Stalin, Mao & Hitler which were HIGHER, in the tens of millions.
If we just look at the death toll in the 2nd World War, it would be easy to refute your statements.
I think we all agree impeachment is ideal and 911 and the ensuing wars ARE MASS MURDER.
It is just the superlative "9/11 was the most murderous act of treason, and the most treasonous act of mass murder, in the history of the world".
Unfortunately history has many many competitors for that INFAMOUS TITLE OF WORST MASS MURDERER.
Right now as BAD AS This guy maybe HE HAS HAD HISTORICAL COMPETITION.
To quote petgoat :"...making bizarre claims such as Cheney is the worst mass murderer in the history of the world is extremely irresponsible and defeats the credibility. .."
I believe we are asking for more accuracy so that the media will not twist one's words and attack one's credibility.
Personally I will like to add that I Respect the Important Work that you are doing and realize it is NOT EASY.
I do hope you will be able to take some sincere constructive criticism.
I know you mean well and are trying your best.
Let's correct any misunderstandings, build bridges and focus on the REAL ENEMY.
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I believe he is saying
The most "treasonous" act of mass murder, in other words mass murder against your own country.
Mao & Stalin murdered millions of their own countrymen
Pls tak a good look at history again. The Gulgags, the Cultural Revolution etc.
Mao & Stalin murdered millions of their own countrymen. This is an established historical fact.
Dr Barret (PHD) should be more careful and we need to be more careful with our FACTS AND HISTORY.
People will doubt our credibility if we have distorted historical facts and implausible scientific ideas like DEW, "no-planes" when there were eye-witnesses to planes and no hard proof on energy weapons.
There is FAR FAR BETTER PROOF FOR EXPLOSIVES.- www.ae911truth.org.
Always, always, CREDIBILITY.
Mao killed many more of his own countrymen.
China's Bloody Century
By R.J. Rummel, New Brunswick, N.J.: Transaction Publishers, 1991.
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE2.HTM
So did Stalin.
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE4.HTM
As bad as 911 was and the 911 wars are we should be careful of hyperboles or exaggerations.
We need FACTUAL CREDIBILITY. HARD SCIENCE. HARD HISTORY.
Jim Fetzer, Reynolds etc is NOT ADDING TO ONE'S CREDIBILITY.
I sincerely hope Mr. Barret changes his mind and starts correcting their serious errors.
They don't have the science and their suspicious behavior of distorting the real issues & facts have harmed the movement.
Add that to exaggerations and we lose even more Credibility.
Not good.
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I don't see a lot of Cojones...
...in your letter. What I see is a chronic Fetzeritis. Too bad there are no shots for that!...
Here is a very subtle place to start
9/11 Lies: Another Basis for Impeachment. Indeed, Kucinich already mentions some of this in his articles of impeachment.
Thanks for Posting Link to Action Page
I gave em' my 2 cents
Am I Off Topic?
Does anyone care to discuss Kucinich's impeachment drive?
This resolution just shows
how confused the American public is. If you think Cheney has done the crimes, you should
be behind this 1000% a try & push it all the way.
This is a real chance for some action/punishment.
It's up to the people.
Yeah it is "up to the people"
however the only avenue left apparently is for We the People to literally take action ourselves and forcibly remove these cretins from office in chains at the barrels of 120 Million guns.
Sadly that isn't going to happen.
The Congress and the MSM are all fully complicit in both the crimes and the cover ups and they aren't going to do a damn thing but put on a dog & pony show.
Can protest in the little Sheeple pins all you wish, can send in 10s of millions of email & calls to your respective Congress critter but I'm thinking that most of us are finally waking up to the fact that they don't give a rats ass what we the people think, they are going to do what they damn well please because the MONEY comes from Big Oil & that top 2% of mega rich and THAT is all they care about.
So until that money supply is cut off then nothing is going happen.
Cheney Impeachment Controversy Can Help Stop Iran Attack, WWIII
The forest: The point of impeachment, besides the chance that it could open up 9/11, is that an impeachment controversy will create a black cloud over Cheney's head. This will make it easier for patriotic powers-that-be, including military people, to keep "pushing back" against Cheney's Iran war plans. The bigger the controversy, the bigger the effect, regardless of whether impeachment, much less conviction, is successful.
The trees:
*Please read carefully before you comment. I said "mass murderer AND traitor." Hitler, Pol Pot and Stalin, whatever their faults, are not conventionally judged as traitors.
*Having studied the Wellstone affair, I am convinced that the Wellstone murder should be near the top of the list of charges against Cheney. You are welcome to disagree--but your disagreement means little unless you too have studied this issue.
*Finally, the anti-Fetzer guilt-by-association stuff is unbecoming of mature intellects. Fetzer has published about 30 books, most peer-reviewed and highly acclaimed, on a variety of subjects. His new book The 9/11 Conspiracy contains essays by David Griffin, Peter Dale Scott, John McMurtry, and Elias Davidsson. (Guilt by association, anyone?) Regardless of how wrong you think Fetzer is on controversial 9/11 research issues, it would be stupid to dismiss everything associated with someone who has published 30 highly acclaimed books, simply based on your disagreement with him on less than two percent of the relevant 9/11 issues.
Listen to the wisest head in the movement, David Griffin:
"The worst part of the movement is the tendency of so many of its members to think that people who say things with which they disagree must be plants."
and:
"People who think in these categories (“disinformation agents” and the like) seem to be beyond persuasion."
and:
"I deplore the common references to Morgan and Judy, or Steven, as “disinfo.” "
and:
"I also agree that Judy’s views about the towers should not be dismissed out of hand. I for one simply don’t know if thermate and other conventional explosives and incendiaries could have caused all the phenomena."
(all quotes from October 2007 emails)
Bottom line: Let's focus on the main issue, stopping WWIII, and drop the pettiness. To stop WWIII, we need a Cheney impeachment controversy. Polemics whip up controversy. If you don't like my polemics, write some of your own.
Once, a long time ago, I had
Once, a long time ago, I had a bad hangover. My grandmother offered me a cup of tea, and I said that would not do much to make my hangover go away, to which she replied - "Well, it's better than a poke in the eye witha sharp stick." While a Cheney impeachment would not be as good as a new 9/11 investigation, it would certainly not be a bad thing either. I'm all for it. Just my 2 cents.
Agreed
Some of the energy spent criticizing each other inside the 9/11 truth movement can be used more effectively to fight the actual enemy. It is a plus that we have different opinions on different issues, while all of us are united on demanding a new investigation of 9/11. It simply shows that nobody really knows the truth.
Cheney impeachment definitely worths a try. It is a powerful tool. I agree with Barrett that even if it delays the planned attack against Iran, it is important. Once the war starts, people will be too excited/scared/angry/distracted to think why free fall building collapse violates conservation of energy and momentum laws. Just my opinion.
Even though I am not a fan of provocative writing style, I gave a 10 for the post because of the courage -- or "cojones" as Barrett likes to refer to it. Bless you all.
Pierre
"Some of the energy spent
"Some of the energy spent criticizing each other inside the 9/11 truth movement can be used more effectively to fight the actual enemy."
No shit. Why do you think infiltrators and agent provocateurs exist?
As for the comment "I agree with Dr. Griffin that we must not prematurely dismiss
Dr. Wood's theories." I'd like to see it substantiated as I've never once heard Dr. Griffin utter any such thing.
Yes.. and no...and huh?
Barrett's out, for anyone(Screw Loose) whose too slow to get the message. Whatever good he might have done in the past is overshadowed by his recent antics. He joins Tarpley with that--every pun intended.
But don't know why you're dragging Rodriguez into the mix. What you're implying when you say this:
"It is also necessary to hold him accountable for lending credibility
to the William Rodriguez story, "
is that Rodriguez isn't credible.
Now anything's possible. As we've seen with Webster Tarpley, no one is above criticism. If you can prove there's something dodgy about what Williams has said, by all means blog your research and link to references and proof. But as you've said it, it comes off as Barrett and Rodriguez come as a package--if you're against one you must be against the other.
Not true. Barrett is on his way to joining his mate Tarpley in my books, and there's plenty of proof why. Not so with Rodriguez. He's still my man until you can prove he shouldn't be.
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Mr. Rodriguez is not credible. He makes wild unsubstantiated
and implausible claims about 22-story collapses, single-handed
nonspecific rescues, and mass evacuations. Barrett's job when
he took on the promotion of Mr. Rodriguez last spring was to
clean up the circus act and make it respectable. Barrett didn't care
enough about truth (or William, or the movement, or anyone down
the line upon whom he foisted the flawed Rodriguez story) to do so.
Mr. Rodriguez's magic key is a fraud. If it was the lifesaving talisman
he claims, FDNY would never have let him take it down from the 39th
floor. Sorry, that's how it is.
Then blog it here.
If your facts check out. everyone has a right to know. ;-)
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Mr. Rodriguez's facts don't check out.
No 22-story collapse, no 15 single-handed rescues.
No magic key.
If the key had been worth anything at all, they never
would have let him take it with them when they turned
him back from 39.
Barrett should have checked this story before
promoting it. It wasn't ready for prime time. And for
Barrett to recommend it to other activists who
relied on his scholarly judgment was a betrayal.
Help your cause and BLOG IT
All you're doing now is repeating assertions with no links to back them up.
This is what 911Blogger is for. If you can't prove your point with links and research, no one has to take you seriously.
It's easy:
1:login
2:go to the left side bar where your user name is listed--find "create content"
3: under "create content" click "blog entry". The blog entry page will open and you can submit what you want in either text or HTML.(warning--you cannot navigate away from this page without loosing your work. It is STRONGLY advised you do most of your work in a separate word processing program and copy/ paste it into the entry page when you are done)
4: Preview and submit. It will take several hours for you blog to be approved, but then your very important information we should all know will be available to Truthers everywhere easily
And I can tell that is what you want to do. Don't be shy--you can do it! ;-)
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You can't say you've debunked something if you haven't proved it
And it is possible to prove something that is very implausible by doing enough research to gather enough evidence about what is likely to have happened. Then you point to inconsistencies that make you doubt someone else's claim that "X" exists.
This is done all the time in journalism. But all you have at present is a repeated assertion of you OPINION: you haven't yet linked to a reference of how you came by said opinion.
For instance, chemtrails cause quite a stir in some quarters. I do not believe in "chemtrails", that is, I do not believe there is an atmospheric effect that cannot be adequately explained by our current knowledge of meteorology and smog producing aeroplane engines. But it is not sufficient for me to just blindly assert "chemtrails don't exist". I must explain what does exist and why I think chemtrails are highly unlikely as described:
http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7829#7829
and then link to info supporting my thesis:
http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7835#7835
Until you have done this work, and presented it in a format others can respond to, you have not debunked anything. You have simply shared your opinion. Which you are entitled to--but you have convinced no one to consider it as a FACT.
And that's why you should make a blog.;-)
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The magic key is debunked on its face by the claim's illogic
The claim was made that it was essential to saving lives.
Allusions to "hundreds" have been made.
If the key had the power to save lives, FDNY should have
kept it when they sent Mr. Rodriguez away.
Mr. Rodriguez's incredible claim of the partial collapse
from 65 to 43 would appear to be motivated by the need
to explain why they let him take the key. If everybody
above 43 was crushed, there would be no need for
the key.
This is more than an opinion--it is a logical analysis.
If you disagree, present a more logical one. Asking
for proof when there is no proof either way is beside
the point--which is that William's story suffers total
progressive collapse at near-freefall speed when
subjected to scrutiny.
I don't know why Dr. Barrett won't step in and defend
his friend William.
What's that word he's so fond of? Gutless?
It's more important to impeach Cheney!
It's clearly the most important action to impeach Cheney. It would hamper his war efforts! Cheney is a stateless traitor, a corporate creature! He'll abscond to Dubai along with his former Halliburton when he leaves office. He's gutted America.
If you don't take notice of Cheney, you're sadly mistaken! Cheney threatened Wellstone with repercussions and a payoff too big to ignore a possible link. Bush and Cheney intruded upon the Senate race in Minnesota to a very noteworthy degree.
Cheney was in charge of the drills on 9/11 as the result of a change in procedure done just a couple of months prior to the tragedy. Peter Dale Scott points to Cheney as the main culprit in 9/11 crimes in his book. It seems, certainly, much has been distorted in the events of that day to minimize Cheney's role. What was he doing in the tunnel at the Pentagon during a contested time frame where Cheney and Rumsfeld are both hard to place?
Cheney's interview in April warning of a nuclear terrorist attack in a major U.S. city stands out as ominous along with the cadaverous Chertoff's gut feeling this summer. In 2002, Warren Buffett warned a nuclear attack is almost a certainty! You have to ask how do they know? Or, is it more appropriate to ask what do they know? You have to be alarmed in the aftermath of the B-52 incident on August 30th! You have to ask what happened in Syria? I suspect, there are rogue elements at work attempting to promote war at the public's expense!
You have to ask, "did Buffett along with Brent Scocroft meet with George W. Bush at Offutt AFB on 9/11?" It seems an inconceivable coincidence that Ann Tatlock, the CEO of Fiduciary Trust , was there as well that day for just a charity event? What else might have been going on?
These may be only assertions but they are very good questions? Questions offered as proof it's preferrable to be on the attack than play defense, impeach Cheney! This is too serious!
For the sake of your country...
...don't believe them!
what works
>>Listen to the wisest head in the movement, David Griffin
I tend to doubt David would really want to be described that way, even as many agree that he is indeed wise -- I tend to think he also appreciates that we all have our own wise heads about us, each in a different way.
AFAIK, David Griffin is no longer a member of Fetzer's group.
Fetzer no longer posts here for a reason, and it isn't the intellectual immaturity of the entire movement.
These are simple ideas, not hard for average people to grasp. When a person being put forth as an important member of the community cannot post on a forum, that's a red flag.
Discrediting by association is part of how the CIA overthrew a leader in Iran. The CIA apparently uses it for the simple reason that it works. Likely, others use it too.
You made a good point Victronix
This requires maturity from us and Discernment
We have to separate the wheat from the chaff.
To put in midly I am disappointed with Prof Jim Fetzer, even Webster Tarpley and for that matter Alfred Webre etc.
Like it or not some will try to associate us with them.
What we must TRY OUR BEST TO DO IS TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WE HAVE NO LEADER.
WE DO NOT FOLLOW INDIVIDUALS. THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE CULT OF PERSONALITY .
IT IS ABOUT THINKING FOR OURSELVES AND USING OUR GOD GIVEN FACULTIES OF THINKING AND REASONING.
EVEN IF ONE DOES NOT BELIEVE IN GOD, AT LEAST USE ONE'S OWN MIND INSTEAD OF HAVING IT CONTROLLED BY SOME ONE ELSE.
Better to be lead by Common Sense, Wisdom, Truth and the Facts.
Not Individuals or Personalities.
I prefer being led by Principles such as those established in the CONSTITUTION.
I sincerely hope more people will realize that is more important.
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Further clarification Dr Kevin Barrett Sir,
To quote you:
"*Please read carefully before you comment. I said "mass murderer AND traitor." Hitler, Pol Pot and Stalin, whatever their faults, are not conventionally judged as traitors."
I believe we all have been reading carefully.
Hitler, Pol Pot and Stalin are considered mass murderers in your judgement. That is good.
But you don't consider them traitors?
Ask their victims if you can. Stalin KILLED MILLIONS OF HIS OWN COUNTRYMEN. SO DID MAO.
How is that not betrayal or treason?
http://www.threemonkeysonline.com/article_khrushchev_stalin_cult_individ...
Always, always, CREDIBILITY.
Mao killed many more of his own countrymen.
China's Bloody Century
By R.J. Rummel, New Brunswick, N.J.: Transaction Publishers, 1991.
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE2.HTM
So did Stalin.
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE4.HTM
As bad as 911 was and the 911 wars are we should be careful of hyperboles or exaggerations.
We need FACTUAL CREDIBILITY. HARD SCIENCE. HARD HISTORY.
ISN'T KILLING YOUR OWN COUNTRYMEN TO CONSIDERED TREASON?
You are trying to avoid admitting a mistake. We all make mistakes Sir and I would gladly admit mine if I had made any.
What we are trying to point out to you is the hyperbole or exaggeration that you are using in A HISTORICAL CONTEXT is reducing your credibility.
If i may quote Mr EGuy "I agree: No need for hyperbole. Just be factual."
Let's be factual.
You have a PHD and expectations are higher.
Proff Jim Fetzer, Judy Woods & Morgan Reynolds have ISOLATED themselves moving away from hard science into unnecessary divisive issues like unproved energy weapons and no-planes.
Just ask the people in www.ae911truth.org if they agree.
Jim Fetzer's lack of leadership, patience and inability to PROJECT COMMON SENSE AND WISDOM IN UNITING PEOPLE shows his weakness and inability to be SUCCESFUL IN UNITING THE 911 TRUTH MOVEMENT SO THAT WE CAN DO MORE IMPORTANT THINGS INSTEAD OF ALL OF THIS IN-FIGHTING.
HOW DO YOU EXPECT TO TAKE ON THE ENTIRE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL-FINANCIAL-MEDIA-COMPLEX WITH ALL OF THIS INFIGHTING MOST PROBABLY STARTED BY JIM FETZER AND CO.
THE BUSH-CHENEY BOYS IN D.C. MUST BE LAUGHING AT US!!!
ARE YOU HAPPY ABOUT THIS?
Is this divisiveness necessary?
Jim Fetzer could have published 30,000 books for all we care.
I know his history in the JFK research and he WAS DIVISIVE AND ATTACKING OTHER JFK RESEARCHERS TOO.
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http://www.jfk-info.com/feedback.htm
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Fetzer's Follies
aka: When Will He Learn?
http://www.jfk-info.com/040101a.htm
An Open Request of Noel Twyman
June 19, 2001
Mr. Twyman - It has been several years since you attended a private meeting back East with several fellow JFK assassination researchers and historians. You were shown evidence that proved your published conclusions regarding alleged tampering of the Zapruder film to be incorrect. And you admitted to the group that the conclusions published in your book, Bloody Treason, were, indeed, incorrect.
When will you be telling us your true beliefs regarding alleged tampering of the Zapruder film?
Private email link ONLY for Mr. Twyman to respond.
Fetzer's Follies
aka: When Will He Learn?
"Fetzer has been playing fast and loose with this case since at least 1993. He has misrepresented evidence, used more respected researchers to enhance his own prestige, and consistently defined those who saw through his patent bullshit as "disinformationalists" ..." -From my inbox recently
UPDATED 05/05/2001: Here are some notes from others who have opinions on Fetzer's works:
Fetzer Feedback
Updated May 5, 2001 - The Amazon.com reviews I wrote that James Fetzer so vehemently decries appear below. Not only has he threatened to sue me for their content, a source at Amazon.com advised me that Fetzer threatened her staff, too, for maintaining these reviews. And here is a link to Vince Palamara's article that Fetzer publicly misrepresents (as recently as 04/01/01): "59 Witnesses: Delay on Elm Street." Vince's respected report summarizes eyewitness accounts of the presidential limousine's movements in Dealey Plaza.
"Clint Bradford is the biggest disinformation agent I know ... He wrote negative reviews of my books on Amazon.com..."
- Jim Fetzer, April 1, 2001
When Fetzer released his book Assassination Science in 1988, I saw flaws and wrote about them. The concept of "free thought" bothers Fetzer: When he read this mini-review on Amazon.com, he called me on the telephone and threatened to sue me if I didn't retract my writing. I didn't retract a word.
Zapruder Film a Fraud?, August 9, 1998
Reviewer: clintbrad4d@earthlink.net from Mira Loma, CA
I find a great deal of Assassination Science to be un-objective and unSCIENTIFIC.
One author's "proof" that the Zapruder film was altered is his list of nine "anomalies" that appear on his Robert Groden slide set. NONE of these "anomalies" appear on the new MPI Home Video release, nor on any of the 12 renditions from several sources of the Zapruder film that Groden himself offers on the video, "The Assassination Films." Yet we are to believe this author's ONE slide set and its alleged "anomalies" to prove tampering. I don't buy it.
Another author shouts, "The Zapruder film is tampered!" - yet fails to define the heritage of what he is looking at! (He has promised, though, to clarify his chapter for future printings of this book.)
A common theme among a couple chapter authors is that they see Secret Service Greer's head turn around in a super-human manner. In one frame, or 1/18th of a second, they claim. Again, this "proof" of tampering is not apparent in many, many copies of the Zapruder film. Greer's one head turn lasts from Frame 300 to Frame 306 - and is VERY natural and fluid, albeit quick.
These authors want us to believe, I guess, that if we see any copy of the Zparuder film that shows a natural head turn by Greer, and the Presidential limousine slowing down right before the moment of the final head shot(s), then we must be looking at altered film, because THEIR copies don't show it.
And another major chapter author has promised to amend future printings of this book to eliminate his accidental mis-quoting of witnesses and mis-attributed citations.
We deserve better. Maybe future printings will be better on this topic. We need to work together and advance the cause of justice for our dead President.
Then Fetzer compiled another book on the JFK assassination. And I wrote another piece for Amazon.com.
Here We Go Again..., September 7, 2000
Reviewer: S CLINT BRADFORD from Mira Loma, CA United States
You would think that Dr. Fetzer would bring respected researchers to this new volume ... especially after being shown the errors of his ways in his previous mis-titled tome, "Assassination Science."
Instead, to "prove" photo alteration, he offers a lunatic who publicly rants that all films shot in and around Dealey Plaza that fateful day were mysteriously seized and sinisterly altered. Further, this "renowned researcher" now tells us that Abraham Zapruder couldn't have possibly shot his film because he believes that Marilyn Sitzman was blocking his view of the Presidential limousine.
Fetzer describes this researcher's studies as "useful in exposing image alteration by government custodians in their effort to distort the evidence and subvert our ability to discover the truth." Well, Dr. Fetzer didn't do his homework when he included Jack White's "research" in this new book. Repeatedly Fetzer has been shown the errors of White's rants. Why would a responsible editor support and promote such work?
If anyone is to believe this researcher chosen by Fetzer to explain the photographic evidence, the many photographic exposures taken by Bond, Nix, Muchmore, Bronson, Towner, Hughes, Bell, Martin, Grant, Bothun, Burroughs, and Murray (and probably others I have missed) have ALL BEEN SINISTERLY TAMPERED WITH - *all* altered to prove wild theories of flying people, liquid signs, disappearing people, et al ad nauseum.
As in his previous compilation, I wish Dr. Fetzer - as "editor" - would better research the researchers he promotes.
Clint Bradford, http://www.jfk-info.com
UPDATED 05/05/2001: Here are some notes from others who have opinions on Fetzer's works:
Fetzer Feedback
And here are some background papers on Zapruder film authenticity:
The Zapruder Film is Authentic
What's my personal "bottom line" in all of these "attacks" on the good doctor? It's simple - and has remained unchanged for years:
No matter how many letters you have after your name ... no matter how many books you have published ... no matter how many degrees are hanging on your office wall - document your claims, substantiate your assertions, and check out others who you decide to promote. And be ethical enough to admit your mistakes, do what is necessary to correct them, and move forward.
It's a simple doctrine ... one that I use in my personal life, too. I am not a "distrustful" person. I just want those who promote themselves as "researchers" to fully document their works. Self-proclaimed "researchers" who refuse to accept constructive criticism and blindly promote the works of questionable people are to be exposed for what they truly are: They are a disgrace to the true assassination research community, and are disrespectful of the memory of our late President.
- Clint Bradford, April 2001
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Please RECONSIDER YOUR POSITION.
Have you got your facts straight?
Have you been influenced by the wrong people?
We all agree 911 is an Inside Job but what are THE BEST APPROACHES TO DEAL WITH IT?
IS HYPERBOLE, EXAGGERATION OR MIS-INFORMATION / DIS-INFORMATION A GOOD WAY TO DO IT?
Do you really believe supporting Proff Jim Fetzer's EGOISTIC attempts to confuse & divide the TRUTH MOVEMENT IS IN ANYONE'S BEST INTEREST?
At first I tried to give PROFESSOR JIM FETZER (PHD) THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT.
After careful research, one just concludes no benefits are necessary.
Just ask anyone at ae911truth.org if they support the "BEAM THEORY".
David Ray Griffin (God Bless him for all his efforts as well as your goodself) but IS NOT THE INTELLECTUAL HEAD OF THIS MOVEMENT.
To quote you- "Listen to the wisest head in the movement, David Griffin:......" End quote.
IT TOOK HIM A FEW YEARS TO WAKE UP.
SOME PEOPLE HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THE INSIDE JOB ELEMENT OF 911 FROM DAY ONE 8.47 A.M EST 11TH SEPTEMBER 2001 AND DON'T CLAIM TO BE THE HEAD OF ANY MOVEMENT.
We HAVE NO LEADERS EXCEPT THE TRUTH & COMMOM SENSE.
SO I BEG TO DIFFER FROM YOU SIR.
I DON'T SEE DAVID RAY GRIFFIN, KEVIN BARRET, JIM FETZER OR ANYONE ELSE AS THE HEAD OF THE TRUTH MOVEMENT.
ESPECIALLY AS SOME OF THEM TOOK SO LONG TO WAKE UP!
YOU HAVE DONE SOME GOOD WORK.
BUT SOME OF YOUR CURRENT EFFORTS ARE SERIOUSLY SERIOUSLY COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE.
PLS THINK OF THE BIG PICTURE. AND KNOW WHAT WE ARE AGAINST.
WE HAVE NOT TIME FOR PET SECRET WEAPONS "ENERGY BEAMS" THEORIES. OR DISTRACTIONS LIKE THAT SUCH AS THE NO-PLANES MYTH.
TO ME, ONLY COMMON SENSE AND TRUTH AND THE CONSTITUTION LEADS THE MOVEMENT.
DON'T CLAIM LEADERSHIP PLEASE WHEN YOUR CREDIBILITY IS REDUCING.
YOU ARE DOING MUJCA A GREAT DEAL OF HARM BY NOT HAVING DISCERNMENT.
WE NEED RESPONSIBLE SELF-LEADERSHIP.
LEAD OURSELVES INSTEAD OF TRYING TO LEAD OTHER PEOPLE.
Pls reconsider your position on some matters.
A collective strategy based on CREDIBLE FACTS is needed.
A good example is what the folks at www.ae911truth.org are doing is A GOOD INDICATION.
We need MORE Richard Gages NOT Jim Fetzers.
I am sorry if this post offends you but I do hope you will reconsider your presumptions.
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The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it
Let's hope the Republicans stay true to form
...By pulling out all those daggers and gladiuses and do away with the old no-good baby killer.
send PEACHES for imPEACHment
Does anyone here remember the Roses for Barbara Boxer campaign? (
http://members.aol.com/lupinaccim/boxer_roses_copy.jpg )
Where Americans who were appreciative of the ONE Senator willing to
sign for Ohio's 2004 vote fraud filled Barbara Boxer's office with
roses?
I have a devious idea.
Dick Cheney's popularity is at 9%... just below athlete's foot.
The DLC Republocrats just punted Kucinich's ball and now it's in John
Conyers' hands. He doesn't know what to do. He'd *like* to impeach
Cheney, but I'm sure he's been threatened and made promises and
reassured and what have you. It's time for a pre-emptive strike.
Well, peeps... all the emails in the world wouldn't show him anything
like this: Let's fill his congressional office with peaches to
send a strong message to impeach Cheney.
I'm sending this message out to those who have websites and donation streams already set up...
What do you say?
~Markov
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
~George Orwell
peaches for impeachment!
Good one! Do it up nice,.
Perhaps Speaker Pelosi's office would be a better place
to send the pallets of impeachment peaches?
She is, after all, the head gatekeeper standing in the way of the will of the people.
While I agree that impeachment is clearly called for, I must also note that, were it to actually happen it would distract attention from, and diffuse some of the energy behind, our call for new investigations into the events of 9/11/01 (especially if the impeachment does not include any of the crimes relating to 9/11).
The impeachment of Cheney and/or Bush is the ultimate limited hangout for those actually running the show (just as Nixon's departure cut short a deeper look into the underlying cancer killing our republic, as Peter Dale Scott states so well in his new book).
I hope that you are all well, and rested, as the game is seriously afoot now.
The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.
"While I agree that
"While I agree that impeachment is clearly called for, I must also note that, were it to actually happen it would distract attention from, and diffuse some of the energy behind, our call for new investigations into the events of 9/11/01 (especially if the impeachment does not include any of the crimes relating to 9/11)."
I'm seriously glad you brought this up as it's been on the periphery of my mind for quite awhile. The impeachment proceedings, if even allowed to go forward, would undoubtedly take a long time to transpire. We have to keep in mind that this administration (if all goes according to historical precedent) will be out of office in just over a year from now. That is not much time remaining. A false flag attack could be very imminet for all we know at this point, which would render all talk of impeachment, *forever* "off the table", for Martial Law would soon, or immediately follow. I think that, although impeachment SOUNDS bold, it might already be too late to push for it. There is just too little time left in this administration's tenure. What we need to do, instead I think, is to push full speed ahead on gathering professionals all across the world who are experts on the fields relevent to 9/11, and push for (first) a "9/11 experts symposium" to assess and organize which facets surrounding 9/11 are the most critical to obtaining justice and truth to be presented at the hearings, and second, a citizen's call for all truth activists to promote, in a publicly visible fashion, the fact that we are not only calling for, but are already in the process of organizing the tools necessary to start a real, *international* investigation into the 9/11 event.
This, rather than impeachment, is the goal we should now be striving for on a 1st priority basis. If impeachment is all we are working toward, then the next neo-con administration will not suffer the consequences of pursuing its globalist agenda. The drive toward getting a real investigation into 9/11 would not only hold the present culprits accountable, but would serve as a major, most likely permament deterrent for future regimes who wish to attack and murder their own citizens.
Just my 3 or 4 cents.
"While I agree that
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