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Was 10:45 a.m. the Originally Planned Demolition Time of WTC 7?

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At 11:07 a.m. in the morning of September 11, 2001, a CNN correspondent in New York reported that a third tower had possibly collapsed. While this report was incorrect, it is interesting to note that the reporter's description could have applied to World Trade Center Building 7. This huge skyscraper was indeed the third tower to collapse on 9/11. However it did not come down until late in the afternoon, more than six hours after this report.

CNN correspondent Allan Dodds Frank reported by phone from Lower Manhattan. He described: "[J]ust two or three minutes ago there was yet another collapse or explosion. I'm now out of sight, a Good Samaritan has taken me in on Duane Street. But at a quarter to 11, there was another collapse or explosion following the 10:30 collapse of the second tower. And a firefighter who rushed by us estimated that 50 stories went down. The street filled with smoke. It was like a forest fire roaring down a canyon." [1]

WTC 7 was a 47-story tower, so would have fitted the description of the estimated "50 stories" described by Frank. And it did indeed collapse completely. One could in fact accurately describe its demise with Frank's words: "The street filled with smoke. It was like a forest fire roaring down a canyon." However, this collapse did not happen until 5:20 that afternoon.

What could have led Frank to make his incorrect report? Surely, even in the chaos of that morning, it would have been quite difficult for a mistaken report of another massive skyscraper coming down to have emerged out of nothing. Could the reason be that WTC 7 had originally been scheduled to be brought down (with explosives) at 10:45 a.m.? The incorrect information Frank reported had therefore been put out, by persons unknown, on the assumption that this would be the case. However, something--as yet unknown to us--happened that meant the demolition had to be delayed, and so Building 7 was not ready to be brought down until late that afternoon.

10:45 a.m. would certainly seem a far more logical time for the masterminds behind 9/11 to have wanted to bring down WTC 7. At that time, just 17 minutes after the North Tower had come down, the collapse of a third skyscraper would have appeared less obviously suspicious. It would have been easier for those involved with covering up the truth about 9/11 to claim this collapse was simply a consequence of the two earlier ones. Instead, however, the collapse at 5:20 p.m. appeared completely inexplicable. (Unless, of course, it was a controlled demolition.)

MORE REPORTS OF A THIRD COLLAPSE
What makes Frank's report particularly notable is that there were other incorrect reports of a third building having collapsed--or at least being in danger of collapsing--later in the day, though these made specific reference to WTC 7. These went out in the hour or so before Building 7 came down:

At 4:15 p.m., CNN reported, "We're getting information that one of the other buildings ... Building 7 ... is on fire and has either collapsed or is collapsing." At 4:27, Greg Barrow reported from New York for the BBC radio channel Five Live, "We are hearing reports from local media that another building may have caught light and is in danger of collapse." He added, "I'm not sure if it has yet collapsed, but the report we have is talking about Building 7." At 4:54, presenter Gavin Esler reported on the BBC's domestic television news channel, BBC News 24: "We're now being told that yet another enormous building has collapsed. ... It is the 47-story Salomon Brothers building." At 4:57, presenter Phil Hayton announced on the BBC's international channel, BBC World, "We've got some news just coming in actually that the Salomon Brothers building in New York right in the heart of Manhattan has also collapsed." [2] However, WTC 7 (the "Salomon Brothers building") did not collapse until almost 25 minutes later.

WHY PUT OUT ADVANCE REPORTS OF THE COLLAPSE?
These reports indicated that some people knew in advance that Building 7 was going to come down. This would have been quite a feat, since, as the New York Times put it, "before then, no modern, steel-reinforced high-rise in the United States had ever collapsed in a fire." [3]

Perhaps the real reason we heard these premature reports was that this information had somehow been passed to the media by the 9/11 perpetrators, as a cautious attempt at preventing speculation that WTC 7 was brought down with explosives. This was clearly what the collapse resembled, with the building falling completely and symmetrically into its own footprint in just 6.6 seconds. Indeed, CBS News anchor Dan Rather commented at the time that it was "reminiscent of ... when a building was deliberately destroyed by well-placed dynamite to knock it down." [4]

Speculation such as this would surely have been a threat to the official 9/11 story, as it might lead people to ponder whether--rather than being committed by Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda--the attacks were an "inside job." To stifle any such debate, an official narrative would need to have been put out promptly. Perhaps this was why at 5:10 p.m.--still before WTC 7 had come down--the BBC's Phil Hayton reported: "[Y]ou might have heard I was talking a few moments ago about the Salomon building collapsing and indeed it has. ... It seems this wasn't the result of a new attack but because the building had been weakened during this morning's attack." [5] It appears the information had been put out already, not only that WTC 7 had collapsed, but also that it had come down without the use of explosives: It collapsed because "the building had been weakened during this morning's attack."

And thus, the cover-up had begun.

NOTES
[1] "America Under Attack." Breaking News, CNN, September 11, 2001.
[2] These reports are summarized in Richard Porter, "Part of the Conspiracy? (2)." BBC News, March 2, 2007.
[3] James Glanz and Eric Lipton, "Burning Diesel is Cited in Fall of 3rd Tower." New York Times, March 2, 2002.
[4] CBS News, September 11, 2001.
[5] Quoted in Richard Porter, "Part of the Conspiracy? (2)."

over a year ago, I talked with Newsweek Reporter Gretel Kovach

I was sitting at a coffee place, back when I had discretionary income, and struck up a conversation with a lady nearby. I found out she was a reporter for Newsweek, as well as the Dallas Morning news. I remember her unique name, Gretel Kovach. She was compiling a story about the feelings of the families of fallen soldiers. I brought up my feelings about 911 being an inside job, and said WTC 7 was the lynchpin of my beliefs. I said it was a controlled demolition.

She told me that she was there in New York on 911 and that she knew that WTC 7 was going to come down. She told me it was supposed to come down much earlier in the day. I neglected to ask from whom she got this information, but it is what she said in a matter of fact manner. She did not see the significance of the controlled demolition until I pointed out that setting up a controlled demolition of this size takes weeks.

WOW

That is an important piece of info you got from that lady. Amazing. If this issue is further investigated, it could be another major selling point for people to see that this was an inside job. I mean, I know we already have more than enough facts on our side while they only have lies and a stupid theory! Just having one more nail to add to their coffin would be great!
Thanks for sharing your story.

WTC 7 Reporter

In the afternoon of 9/11 a reporter for NBC or CBS was in the lobby of WTC7. Apparently, he had daringly crossed police lines to take a look into the building (which, by the way, further nullifies Larry Silverstein's quote explained as having firefighters "pulled" from the building because the reporter said the building was empty). In retrospect he was obviously a stooge to set up the notion of the WTC 7 collapse. The oddest thing was that he stood in the lobby and his cameraman was shifting the camera back and forth to simulate the building's instability while the reporter was saying he could hear the building squeaking as if it was about to collapse. He was definitely strange because no squeaking was heard and they were on the ground floor which could not possibly be shifting back and forth as dramatically as the camera tried to show. Another important note was that the lobby was blown out just like the WTC towers' lobbies. The windows had been blown out and things had been rattled off the walls, probably because of sub basement explosions. I have searched for this news cast over the years to no avail. I had also sent email request to all of the networks asking for a list of all the newscasters working ground zero; no one answered me. Does anybody else remember it?

If she knew it was going to be...

... brought down, shouldn't we be in a hurry asking her where she got this information?

Where are the private detectives we need?

Private Detectives for 9/11 Truth!

North Texans for 911 Truth (new site)
http://tellstruth.webs.com/index.htm
North Texans for 911 Truth Meetup Site
http://9-11.meetup.com/249/

I thought she might be inspired to investigate for a new story.

I remember that I urged her to check into it. I wonder if she did. Because she was really a nice person I only told a few of my friends about it. At the time I thought the thing would surely be blown wide open by other more significant revelations. I told myself the truth would be revealed without publicizing this little chat. I also thought there was a possibility that she would be inspired to investigate the issue and maybe even write a story about her findings.

I guess I also had concerns about bringing the spotlight down on anyone. I don't think she was "in the know" about the inside job. I think she just believed they could set up a controlled demolition more quickly than they really can. She was just in the mainstream haze, like so many are.

I found my notes on this meeting. It is dated 3/4/07

I distinctly remember making notes about this meeting, but I thought that I saved it as a Stickies file. Earlier this year I tried to back up my hard drive to my outboard hard drive. I didn't do it properly. I mistakenly thought that you just dragged and dropped files into the backup drive willy nilly. As a result I lost all my Stickies files.

Well I just searched my back up hard drive and found my notes after all. I actually made the notes as an Apple Works word processor file.
The file is dated 3//4/07. On the page I have typed March 1, 2007, so I guess I made the notes or edited the notes on 3/4/07. I was surprised that my memory was even correct on the fact that it was over a year ago, even though just barely. I was wondering as I opened the file whether I may have missed on the specific time frame. It could have just as easily been less than a year ago, but I just knew it had been a long while.

I am trying to post my notes here, but I don't know how to post a .cwk file. Could someone help me on this?? I am using Mac OS 10 Panther and a Safari browser. I want to get this page up as soon as possible.

Thanks.

I found my notes on this meeting. It is dated 3/4/07

I distinctly remember making notes about this meeting, but I thought that I saved it as a Stickies file. Earlier this year I tried to back up my hard drive to my outboard hard drive. I didn't do it properly. I mistakenly thought that you just dragged and dropped files into the backup drive willy nilly. As a result I lost all my Stickies files.

Well I just searched my back up hard drive and found my notes after all. I actually made the notes as an Apple Works word processor file.
The file is dated 3//4/07. On the page I have typed March 1, 2007, so I guess I made the notes or edited the notes on 3/4/07. I was surprised that my memory was even correct on the fact that it was over a year ago, even though just barely. I was wondering as I opened the file whether I may have missed on the specific time frame. It could have just as easily been less than a year ago, but I just knew it had been a long while.

I am trying to post my notes here, but I don't know how to post a .cwk file. Could someone help me on this?? I am using Mac OS 10 Panther and a Safari browser. I want to get this page up as soon as possible.

Thanks.

here is the exact text of my notes I recorded shortly afterward

Thursday Afternoon

March 1st, 2007

Starbucks in Lakewood on La Vista in East Dallas

Had conversation with Gretel of Newsweek Magazine

She was doing field work on a story. She was interviewing family of fallen soldiers to get their feelings about the war, I think.

I asked her if they all said that they felt Bush should be impeached, would you print it?

She said that they are mostly supportive because they don’t want to think that their loved one has died in vain...for no cause...for nothing.

I brought up my feelings about 9/11 in the conversation. I told her I believed it was an inside job.

I pointed out the WTC 7 stuff. That it was imploded, that larry silverstein was on the PBS documentary saying to pull it...

She said she knew that the building was imploded. She said it was supposed to be imploded earlier in the day. She said she was there and heard the countdown.

She did not know the significance of this fact. She thought that they must have set up the implosion really quickly during the chaos of 9/11. She was unaware that it takes 10 guys a month to set that kind of implosion up.

We discussed my belief that Al Queda was a CIA trained group who we supported in Afghanistan against the Soviet Union...and that I thought they were probably still CIA. I said Osama Bin Laden is a manufactured Boogie Man that helps them carry out their agenda.

She said she did a story on Mohammed Atta.

I introduced myself after a long conversation. I offered her a blue tube t-shirt that I was going to photograph for eBay. I told her she should be more skeptical, and to check into what I said.

I told her my name , Rob, and she said her name is “Gretel”.

She was a tall attractive woman about 35 yrs old. wearing black. She had reddish brown to blonde hair... She was online looking at addresses and phone numbers of contacts.

If she heard the countdown...

... she has to testify to the police and inform NIST. And ASAP.

Could you - or someone - contact her?

This is speculative, but I

This is speculative, but I agree that it is a very likely scenario. We need to speculate like this sometimes.

Also, there are the supporting statements made by Barry Jennings, Deputy Director of the Emergency Services of the City of New York Housing Authority. He claims to have witnessed explosions in WTC7 before the Towers pulverized.

If he is right, looks like the demolition was started at that time, but ran into a problem and was not completed till late in the afternoon.
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JFK on secrecy and the press

I don't know her, but her stories look very mainstream.

I will attempt to contact her, but she may end up being hostile to my publicizing our chat. She seemed to be resistant to considering the possibilities. I only had that one contact with her over a year ago. It was a chance meeting which allowed me to share the truth with her. She was a nice person, as I stated earlier, but she does work for Newsweek. That magazine is not known for deviating from the script. I will see what I can do. Newsweek is owned by the Washington Post. Once, a long time ago, a couple of brave reporters for the Washington Post cracked the Watergate case and brought down the criminal Nixon administration. That was one of the Post's shining moments of investigative journalism. Where are the Woodwards and Bernsteins when it comes to the BushCo Mafia? I don't see anyone in the mainstream media that comes close, except for maybe Keith Olberman at MSNBC. Times have changed.

Just the facts

I suggest you don't discuss her opinions about what happened. The important thing is to record her unvarnished testimony - what time she was there, what she saw and heard etc.
Possibly a short video interview. She needs to put her name (or face) to the statements, and provide any supporting documents such as notes taken, job sheets etc. that show she is bona fide and was there that day.

She may in fact be more open to candid disclosure if she is not fully aware of the implications.
Perhaps as a young journalist she would not anticipate the risk to her professional life the story could pose. If nothing else, she'd be labelled a lying twoofer and her personal life trawled for anything that could discredit her. To be fair, she should be aware of this before releasing her testimony.

If she was willing to submit it to the FBI she could at least curtail the inevitable "if she has this damning evidence - why would she post it on the internet instead of going to the police!"

I've often wondered why they didn't...

...implode 7 under the cover of the pyroclastic dust clouds from the Twins' explosions? Or why not wait until nighttime, when no one could really film it?

Then I came across the MITOP hypothesis: "Make it Transparant on Purpose"

Maybe the perps want those of us who care to look deeper into this to know, or they don't care if we know (since they think there is nothing we can do about it)?

9/11 Truth ends the 9/11 Wars

I think this MITOP is maybe too much

What if they just planned to blow WTC7 the 15 minutes after WTC1, but something went wrong and they were unable to pull the whole building? But then, they desperately needed to destroy it ASAP, because it was full of explosives which partially already exploded and full of a really hot paperwork.
To me it looks more probable, than any demonic MITOP hypothesis - if one considers how in fact amateurish the whole operation was - one with common sense sees it was a demolition in all 3 cases without much doubting it. The steel-frame skyscrapers really don't turn into dust and suitably long steel sections just because they decide to.

Indira Singh confirmed intention of earlier demolition

When she was interviewed on Guns and Butter, Indira Singh, who worked as a volunteer EMT that day, confirmed what appears to have been an intention to bring down WTC 7 earlier on in the day. She said, "By noon or one o'clock they told us we had to move from that triage site up to Pace University, a little further away, because Building 7 was gonna come down or being brought down." But she added, "There was another panic around four o'clock because they were bringing the building down and people seemed to know this ahead of time so people were panicking again and running."

So this again indicates that something was delaying their plans to bring the building down. It was not therefore the intention to wait until 5:20 p.m.

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Great work, Shoestring.

Great work, Shoestring. Just recently, a friend of mine (an ATC) recommended to be to check out your stuff.

I totally agree with you on this working hypothesis. 10:45 is right in between the collapse of WTC 1 and WTC 2.

I'd also agree that FL 93 may have been intended to hit WTC 7 at around the time Jennings and Hess reported the huge explosions. That would have been around 9:20, in between the time WTC 2 was hit and the Pentagon.

If you look at the flight path of FL93, it turns right towards NYC right before it spirals to the ground (I believe that talk that FL93 was headed for DC was just clap trap to scare us. None of the flights hit any buildings of historical value).

Also, Giuliani remarked that another plane was headed towards the WTC, that is why he did not go to his command bunker.

FL93 was caught in the runway 40 ,inutes, so it never completed it's mission.

not so fast

That would be odd considering Building 7 was a bottom up demolition..

Maybe they had to re-adjust the plan?

"That would be odd considering Building 7 was a bottom up demolition.."

maybe it was supposed to be top down like WTC 1 and WTC 2, and that's why it took so long to actually take it down. They had to re-adjust the plan.

I tend to think that 93 was

I tend to think that 93 was a back-up for the Towers. If either of the primary flights had missed or stuck only a glancing blow, one of the Towers would have been left standing all wired up and set to go.

Most plausible seems to be that WTC7 was supposed to go down in the morning under the clouds of dust but something went wrong. Jennings' statements on what he saw are strong corroboration for this scenario.

What you say might also have been the case, but seems less likely.
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JFK on secrecy and the press

I agree. Most likely Flt 93

I agree. Most likely Flt 93 was supposed to hit another high profile target. It looks like something went wrong with the WTC 7 demolition and they had to go back to rewire it. I suspect they tried to bring down WTC 7 right after the collapse of the North Tower in the midst of the pyroclastic cloud, perfect cover.

Wires?

I'm guessing that there were not many wires. One of the ways they obscured the planting of these explosives as well as the added work needed to plant them was to use a remote detonation system.

They probably just needed to rework the program and set a new order of detonation for the planted explosives.

They were not sophisticated enough to make it look a bit more random in the way the building was brought down.

Each floor was set to a different frequency and there was not time to alter their settings to create a more random collapse.

Wires were few and far between.
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Together in Truth!

100% agree. "Wired" was a

100% agree. "Wired" was a poor choice of words.
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JFK on secrecy and the press

I agree, Alvin R

My working hypothesis is that they brought the first tower down way before they wanted to because those brave FDNY were up there radioing down that they only needed two crews and two hoses to fight the "two small pockets of fire" and the hoax was about to be exposed. They simply were not ready to bring WTC 7 down that early and were not able to "hide" its demise in the dust clouds.

They would not want to do it at night as the explosive flashes would be quite visible. Imploding the building as late in the day as possible allows the "raging fire for hours" story to have more plausibility. Not that it has any for anyone who takes the time to really look at it, but it gives the msm a cover story to print.

I also think that both 93 and 77 were potential back-ups to be diverted to secondary targets should 11 and 175 hit the primary targets, as they did.

This is all speculation and all the more reason to get new investigations.

Let's get busy in the streets, brothers and sisters!

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

The best way to drop WTC 7

was from the bottom, because of the cantilevered truss system that held up the building, between floors 5 - 7.

Small correction

10:45 would have been after both towers had already come down.

Where are all the photos people must have captured in which the south side of WTC 7 can be seen?

Flight 93

I also think WTC 7 was the intended target for flight 93. The timeline matches well, and the lack of a debris field at the "crash" site could be indicative of a shoot down, possibly by a Canadian NORAD pilot. Although it originated in Newark, public opinion seems to have been manipulated towards the idea of flight 93 heading towards the Capitol. This is the result of an interview given to Connie Chung in 2002 by a man named Peter Bergen, another mysterious terrorism "expert". Notice that flight 93's intended target being the Capitol is the only information revealed, highlighting it's importance. They knew WTC 7 was a smoking gun.

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/09/17/bergen.otsc/index.html

I don't think WTC 7

was a high enough profile target, to risk flying another plane into it. Before 9/11 very few people had ever heard of WTC 7 or even cared about the place.

Yeah, the UA93 was shot down!

There is actually the smoking gun of it directly in the USAF radar data.
A while ago I was working on the analysis of the 84Rades radar data. And there is clear, that just before the "UA93" crashed, there were two separate flying objects in the air the USAF tryied to conceal from its "UA93" flightpath analysis for the FBI. But in the raw radar data one can discover them. see: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?s=&showtopic=8959&view=fin...

The USAF analysts included in their analysis just the orange blips, the brown ones were "ommited" from their "UA93 flightpath study". But if one gets the blips from the raw data and compares then the times when the blips were swept, then there is 100% sure that from the radar data one can distinguish two separate flying objects in the air distant aproximately 2 miles. No mistake! All data before this event are missing, or are out of range of PLA radar.
This is most probably a smoking gun of the shotdown of "UA93". Everyone can look into the 84Rades data and verify the ommited blips are actually there. To my knowledge so far nobody did it and the John Farmer - a former 9/11 Omissioner - who obtained the 84Rades data on FOIA and who was normally communicating with me for a while, have deleted the whole its 84Rades forum just after I've posted there my extensive findings from my 84Rades data analysis. (especially about the very improbable radar invisibility periods on the "AA77" flightpath!) When I've asked him then politely, where the forum is (I thought he moved it elsewhere), he replied me: "It no longer exists...."
My working hypothesis is that the "UA93" was shot down either by a (stealth) plane launched missile, or ground-air missile, and the two blips on the radar is actually most probably the missile just before it hits the plane.
There are also many other anomalies in the 84Rades data which lead me to the conclusion the data are at least partialy manipulated an/or the result of military injects due most probably to the Vigillant Guardian and Global Guardian exercises held on 9/11. Some data there just simply don't add up. So I'm quite reluctant to base on it some crucial conclusions before the FAA radar data would be published - if in fact they will be published some day - to corroborate them. (I don't believe the FAA radar data will be ever published, because - if one sees what is in the USAF data - they would be most probably the final orbituary of the 9/11 OCT) But why would somebody put there two separate flying objects just before the "UA93" crashes ??? It makes to me no other sense than the blips are a badly concealled record of the real 9/11 events.
But for one thing the 84Rades data analysis served well: It helped to expose the disinfo agent "Factfinder General" on Pilots for 911 Truth forum and chase him out.

Again, WOW

We definately should document all of the foreknowledge of WTC 7 coming down. All that foreknowlege lumped together and see how Larry can explain that away!