Barry Jennings Uncut

I've been sitting on this interview for a while, but after viewing the latest BBC piece on WTC7, I feel the time has come to release it in its entirety.

After locating Barry in mid 2007, Jason and I visited him and he graciously granted us an interview during a lunch break. He had agreed to grant us an interview under the conditions that we, at no time, associate his interview with his place of employment.

Jason and I were so thrilled with the content of the interview that we decided to release a few bits and pieces of it on both our show and Alex's.

A few months later, as the film was nearing completion, I called Barry again to touch base and see how things were going. It took him a bit to remember who I was, but as soon as he did, he began complaining about phone calls to his place of employment and that he was in danger of losing his job. He requested to have his interview pulled from Loose Change, and I honored his request.

Fast forward to February, 2008, where I'm doing an interview with the BBC, and I'm informed by their crew that Barry told them the reason he asked for it to be pulled was because of the article on Prisonplanet claiming he was stepping over dead bodies, which he denies saying. I call Barry to attempt to rectify the situation, and he is adamant that he did not use the phrase "we were stepping over people"

Fast forward one more time to two days ago, when the BBC piece finally aired. I now feel an obligation to release his interview, in its entirety, into the public where it belongs for three reasons:

1) To see the difference between the interview he gave us, and the interview he gave the BBC.

2) To establish Barry's timeline in his own words.

3) To preserve his testimony, in his own words, for the historical record.

I have remained true to my word and kept his interview out of the film, however, I can no longer keep it from the public. They deserve to hear Barry's story, out of his own mouth.

As I say in the end of the video, I would appreciate it if Barry could enjoy his privacy and live his life in peace. My intention with releasing this is so his story can be told, not to cause him any further grief or suffering.


for posting this, it makes you want to see everything without edits & in-full.

If Barry is worried about losing his job from speaking out...

why doesn't millionaire Jimmy Walters help him out financially so he can quit his government job?

What do you think? Good idea?

You mean Jimmy "Cut and Run" Walter?

I heard he's living the high life somewhere safe and comfy while the rest of us are down in the trenches working our bloody broken fingernails to the bone and dieing of financial starvation while begging for penny table scraps from the chubby unwashed masses who could all stand to lose a little weight but don't seem to be willing to miss a meal or two.

And people wonder why the world is the way it is today.

Posted on YouTube also...

For the non blip'ers...



Thanks for publishing this Dylan, it's very important to get all this out and on the record !!!

Best wishes

What about the Channel 12 Interview?

Barry mentions that channel Twelve interviewed him and his family at his home some time after 9/11.

Has anyone tried to find a copy of this interview, or know if it was ever aired.

I don't know what subjects where covered but it could provide some additional independent collaboration and insight into his story and time line of events.

Thank you Again, Jason and Dylan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Radical Pragmatist

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9/18 was an inside job! So maybe 9/11 was too...

Thanks Dylan

Posting this may very well keep Barry safe. No more debate as to the wtc7 timeline.
Incredible stuff

Important Timeline Consideration

The explosion reported by Jennings while traveling down the WTC 7 stairwell apparently was not the result of the collapse of WTC 1 (2nd collapse) because the collapse of WTC 2 (1st collapse) caused audible alarm activations (as heard in the lobby of WTC 7 during recorded video there). If these "audibles" were broadcasting during Jennings travels, I suspect he would have recalled hearing them before being interrupted at the 6th floor. These audible alarms may very well have been occurring throughout the building and as one who has worked in a similar high rise building years ago, I can confirm that even audible alarms that are isolated to 1 floor or region (uncommon) can resonate throughout a common stairwell.

The apparent absence of audibles prior to Jennings' explosion account, suggests WTC 2 (much less WTC 1) had not yet fallen before Jennings' evacuation was interrupted.

Listen to the audible alarms in WTC 7's lobby between the 1:48 and 1:53 mark of the following video recorded after WTC 2's collapse and before WTC 1's collapse:

Pretty clear testimony

He's pretty clear about the fact that the explosion was before either tower collapse. He specifically mentions that firefighters ran away from WTC7 TWO times as each tower collapsed before coming back a THIRD time when he was stuck in the building.

TIMELINE according to Jennings:

1. Jennings and Hess reach the emergency bunker and are told by phone to "leave right away".
2. They descend the stairwell to the 6th floor.
3. Explosion occurs and they are trapped on the 8th floor.
4. Firefighters come and tell Barry not to climb down a fire hose because it is too dangerous.
5. Firefighters run away, first tower collapses.
6. Firefighters return, look more concerned.
7. Firefighters run away a SECOND time, as second tower collapses.
8. Firefighters return a THIRD time, and help Jennings descend WTC 7 to the lobby where it is completely destroyed and he is told "not to look down" and that he could tell he was "stepping over people".

Keep in mind, that the FIRST tower collapse did not significantly damage WTC7. According to NIST, only the bottom windows of the south side of the tower were damaged. Jennings was trapped in the north side of the building and described the explosive event in WTC7 taking place before either of the two tower collapses.


"When we arrived, the police were in the lobby... Me and Mr. Hess who I didn't know at the time... [got] to the 23rd floor... we couldn't get in. We had to go back down, then police and security took us to the freight elevators where they took us back up and we did get in. Upon arriving into the OAM POC, we noticed that everybody was gone... only me and Mr. Hess were up there. After I called several individuals, one individual told me to leave and leave right away. Mr. Hess came running back in and said, "We're the only ones up here, we gotta get out of here." He found the stairwell... we went down the stairs. When we reached the sixth floor... there was an explosion and the landing gave way. I was left there hanging and I had to climb back up and I had to walk back up to the 8th floor... it was dark and very very hot. I asked Mr. Hess to test the phones as I took a fire extinguisher and broke out the windows. Once I broke out the windows I could see outside below me. I saw police cars on fire, buses on fire. I looked one way, the building was there, I looked the other, the building was gone. I was trapped in there for several hours. I was trapped in there when both buildings came down. The firefighters came. I was going to come down on the fire hose, because I didn't want to stay there because it was too hot; they came to the window and started yelling "do not do that, it won't hold you". And then they ran away. I didn't know what was going on. That's when the first tower fell. When they started running, the first tower started coming down. I had no way of knowing that. And then I saw them come back... with more concern on their faces. And then they ran away again. The second tower fell. So as they turned and ran the second time, the guy said "We'll be back for you". And they did come back, this time they came back with 10 firefighters. They kept asking "where are you? We don't know where you are?" I said "I was on the North side of the building," because when I was on the stairs I saw the North side. All this time, I'm hearing all kinds of explosions. I'm thinking that may it's the police cars [and] buses that are on fire. I don't see.. you know, but I'm still hearing all these explosions. When they finally got to us, and they took us down to what they called the lobby, because when I asked them, I said "Where are we?" He said, "This was the lobby." And I said, "You got to be kidding me." Total ruins. Keep in mind, when I came in there, the lobby had nice escalators--it was a huge lobby. And for me to see what I saw was unbelievable. And the firefighter who took us down kept saying, "Do not look down." I kept saying, "Why?" We were stepping over people. And you know when you can feel when you are stepping over people. They took us out through a hole... in this wall, and that's how they got us out... this huge police officer came over to me and he said, "You have to run". I said, "I can't, my knees are swollen". [He said] "You'll have to get on your knees and crawl then, because we have reports of more explosions." That's when I started crawling and I saw this guy fall behind me, and his comrades came to his aid and they dragged him to safety."

Later on in the interview, Jennings repeats the fact that he was trapped in the building before both buildings collapsed, citing the fact that first responders ran away twice and came back three times to try and get him out of the building.

Critical questions: Why was the emergency room evacuated? Why was Jennings ordered to "leave right away". Why was Jennings trapped in the north side of WTC7, when the south side faced the twin towers? Why was the lobby completely destroyed? What did he mean by "stepping over people", and why did he later claim "there were no bodies"?
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Good work, Arabesque, that

Good work, Arabesque, that is exactly Jennings timeline.

In answer to your question, the east stariwell was on the north edge of the WTC 7 core, so the windows on the north face were nearest to them when they went back up to the 8th floor.

Your observation about little damage to WTC 7 after the first tower fell is also correct.

If you look at the floorplan of WTC 7, you can see that the east stairwell is not in an area where any debris damage occurred, not even from the North tower collapse.

Also, you can see that core columns # 74 and # 75 would essentially block any dbris that was flying from the North tower towards the east stairwell.

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We got him on his lunch

We got him on his lunch break. We had to make it as quick as possible.

And Hess returned none of Jason's emails or phone calls.

You're welcome.

EDIT: I also highly doubt Barry, while fearing for his life and that he would never see his family again, had time to check his watch every time something happened.

excellent job--great questions!

For a lunch hour interview, it was handled well with excellent questions. Your blog entry to introduce this was excellent as well!

You did the right thing by going public with the interview. There is little left to question. It makes it much more difficult to obfuscate and misrepresent what was actually said!

...don't believe them!

Thanks for the input Carl.

but figuring out the approximate time-line's pretty elementary from this interview.


Thank you for the follow up question regarding the timeline (after the chopper flew by). His testimony is crucial, as a past recollection recorded, at the very least.

Shouldn't that interview be presented to every State and

Federal Judge and District Attorney in New York State?

History was made and Jennings is a hero......

....regardless of why he retracted portions of his interview. History was made the day you secured the interview and today, the day the public finally heard the truth -- first hand. May God protect Mr. Jennings and his family and the boys of Loose Change.....correction, the men of Loose Change.

I'm so fucking excited.


Would somebody please send this to Richard Clarke


great interview. its interesting to see him switch his entire testimony from saying he knows explosives brought down seven to in bbc saying he doesnt believe our government would do something like that.... hmmm

"I will not withdraw from this war even if Laura and Barney are the only ones supporting me." -George W. Bush

Jesus Christ man

How can the BBC just totally misrepresent Barry's timeline and expect to get away with it? This cover up has got to end.

FYI, the BBC timeline

FYI, the BBC timeline appears in the WTC 7 NIST progress report. The NIST progress report of Jennings and Hess's timeline is very deceptive, and never mentions them by name. NIST also omits that staements about explosions and instead says that smoke and debris settled into the stairwell.


Seconded... This is an important interview. Thanks for making it.

Wow. Even though most of the

Wow. Even though most of the high points of the Jennings' interview have been available for months, seeing the full interview vaporizes the official WTC7 explanation. It doesn't matter what NIST says. It doesn't matter what Larry meant. They can't blame fires or debris. Nothing overrules this timeline.

This is the most important video since the Zapruder film.

There is no more 9/11 cover up. There is only an uninvestigated and unprosecuted mass murder against US citizens. There is only a lawless government and the liars who choose to stand with it.

"This is the most important video since the Zapruder film."

I believe you are correct!

"This is the most important video since the Zapruder film."

Yep. This video is like an attorney's statement : "...and I rest my case."

By the way Bob, that is a good line: "There is only a lawless government and the liars who choose to stand with it."

Thanks. I wish I was good

Thanks. I wish I was good with video. I hope someone can interleave the Jennings interview with LC and the distortion presented by the BBC. It's not an ideal situation for Barry Jennings, but there's no getting around it: this interview is the smoking gun of premeditated demolition. It has to be shown to every congressperson that has the power to call for a new investigation ( which is probably only Kucinich ). Barry Jennings has to be called to testify before some committee.

There is now testimony of explosions in the basements and lobbies of WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7- all before any airplane impacts.

Lawless Government?

To me it looks more like gangsters and thugs run this country. I no longer consider this country being run by any legitimate government. It is totally out of control. When this country's last real president gets his brains shot out in public and almost 3,000 people are murdered on TV on 9/11 and the so-called, pathetic mass media helps with the cover-up you know you have big time problems. When will the people in this country open their eyes? We are up shit creek in case you haven't noticed.

"Even if you are in a minority of one, the truth is still the truth." Gandhi


Ya know i haven't cried because 911 since my first trip to
ground zero on the 5th anniversary , but that interview was
so intense that i can't fight it. So many emoitions so much anger
I am not sure how much longer i can put up with the media whores
that continue to tell the pubilc we are crazy. Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck
fuck fuck fuck!

"We are going to keep up this fight till the end, till the very end... They took it from the top to the bottom. We're gonna take it from the bottom to the top!" -Dan Wallace

Praying to Allah

So Barry prays to Allah?

Waterboarding you or your family anybody?
Jeez, that poor man and he still had the guts to tell us what really happened.
If anything he needs our help and protection no matter what he said in the BBC doc.

The bastards.

Dylan, Jason, and all researchers/investigators... "Thankyou"

Dylan, Jason, et al,
It is pretty damn impressive to "out-do", to "out-investigate", what the entire multi-trillion dollar governmental and media systems can come up with as far as the truth to 9/11.

From the world, "Thankyou".

"It is you who are the torch-bearers with respect to that truth. And you have to continue to bear that torch and try to get it into the mainstream, and not be discouraged when you don’t…."

"I ask you not to mourn the passing of democracy and of liberty in this country…don’t mourn the passing of democracy – Organize. Organize to restore it wherever it is possible to do so. Steel your spines. Inspire your children. Then when the moment is right, rise again as though from the ashes, and rebuild this great land. "

Unbelievable. Thank you


Thank you Dylan and Jason.

Summer of Truth

BJ is in a tough spot

"he began complaining about phone calls to his place of employment and that he was in danger of losing his job."

And there is the answer as to his apparent different conclusions on what happened that day. The interview speaks for itself. You did the honorable thing by not putting in your film an explosive interview, clearly you guys wanted to, and hated leaving it out, but was willing to help protect his job at his request. The guy is in a tough spot. I would hope no one harrasses him and leaves him alone. There is no point in ruining his career. The truth still comes out.

Great job, guys! YOU ROCK!

This interview is exactly what I thought it would be when you told me about it back in December.

I don't know how anyone can watch this and still think the OCT is anything but Dr. Zelikow's farcical myth-making.

Now if we could only get this on the 6 o'clock news coast-to-coast and across the planet....

Keep up the great work!

Mr. Jenning's is a family man who clearly loves his wife and kids a lot, so it should be no surprise to anyone that someone might compel him to "modify" his story.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

Thank you Dylan and crew for

Thank you Dylan and crew for posting this.

This has power

This appears to be the "smoking gun" insider interview the movement has long sought re WTC7, so of course the BBC was tasked with diluting and distorting it. Note that Jennings gave testimony to "important-looking people" from the Commission who failed to follow-up or document this in any way--further evidence of the Zelikow-directed cover-up.

The timeline suggests explosions below floor 6 soon after the WTC2 hit at 9:03 but well before the WTC2 "collapse" at 9:59. The spectacle and aftermath of the WTC2 hit may have been exploited in order to do pre-demolition weakening in lower WTC7, which may be the initial source of the fires.

Jennings explains that he was on the north side of floor 23 at 9:03 so was unaware of the second hit. As the OEM bunker was reinforced and sound-proofed this is credible. The still-steaming coffee is not a trivial detail, and Jennings and Hess certainly would not have loitered in the empty OEM for almost an hour after being warned to evacuate. As even the BBC footage shows, the 9:59 event caused no structural damage to 7. The BBC's editing actually suggests (by interspersing the tower collapses with scenes of Jennings' descent) that it took Jennings and Hess until 10:28--well over an hour--to reach the 6th floor of WTC7. Staggeringly obvious deceit.

“On the altar of God, I swear eternal hostility against all forms of tyranny over the mind of man."--Thomas Jefferson

So what ever happened was on 6th to 7th floor

The reason why NIST doesn't want to know what happened there?

Create detailed floor analyses to determine likely modes of failure for Floors 8 to 46 due to failure of one or more supporting columns (at one or more locations) in World Trade Center Building Seven.

Location of Stairwells and Lifts in WTC7...

Spotted this useful image over at LC forums...

Location of Stairwells and Lifts in WTC7

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Best wishes

Right... So why didn't BJ just take the other stair?

Truth and logic, please.

Leaves me with that sensation in my gut

like when I first saw Loose Change.

Excellent job, guys.

my letter to BBC Complaints

I sent the following letter to BBC Complaints to complain about the BBC film on The Third Tower. Others should do the same:

send complaints here.

I wish to complain about a recent BBC programThe Conspiracy Files: the Third Tower, in which BBC interview Barry Jennings. Jennings seems to deny an interview conducted by Loose Change Crew Dylan Avery and Jason Bermas, where he clearly states there were explosions INSIDE WTC7, and dead bodies.
Here is the uncut interview:

There were reports that Jennings was threatened after he gave the above interview. Why was this not made in the BBC film? As that would set BBC interview in a different light.



According to this timeline, the bodies are not important, as they could have been the result of falling debris. The only real question is the "explosion":

"TIMELINE according to Jennings:

1. Jennings and Hess reach the emergency bunker and are told by phone to "leave right away".
2. They descend the stairwell to the 6th floor.
3. Explosion occurs and they are trapped on the 8th floor.
4. Firefighters come and tell Barry not to climb down a fire hose because it is too dangerous.
5. Firefighters run away, first tower collapses.
6. Firefighters return, look more concerned.
7. Firefighters run away a SECOND time, as second tower collapses.
8. Firefighters return a THIRD time, and help Jennings descend WTC 7 to the lobby where it is completely destroyed and he is told "not to look down" and that he could tell he was "stepping over people"."

The bodies are a distraction from the real question: what blew up the stairwell?

Is it possible that the stairwell was struck by airplane debris at 9:03? Did parts of the plane hit WTC7?

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Dead Bodies

Ok its excellent that someone got this guy's testimony on video... but it's a missed oportunity in that the interviewer didn't get him to elaborate on the 'dead bodies' issue. Still great work.

Is Jennings now doubly pissed?

The crux of the controversy around Jennings is that he was pissed about the way his remarks were misinterpreted. There is no question that Jennings describes the experience of walking over bodies, even if he doesn't actually "see" them. That is a relatively minor, debatable misrepresentation. But the BBC created a time line about the activities of Hess and Jennings entering the building and the OEM bunker that significantly contradicts how Jennings says it happened -- and juxtaposes footage of Jennings and a re-enactment to to make it look like it's HIS time line. Based on the way he reacted in the Loose Change "mishap," one would think he'd be FURIOUS over this.

Is he?

Seeking transcript Conspiracy Files, The Third Tower

I'm working on this documentary, for the Dutch site Therefore trying to find myself a complete transcript, but failed in my efforts. BBC has several transcripts from the Conspiracy series on its site, but not from the 9/11 parts. BBC didn't respond on my question if there is one available.

My last solution is creating one for my own use. A word for word (exact) transcript is to much work, haven't that much time. But in fact, that is what I need.

Who can help me on this? Who has one? My address: