Glenn Beck And Others Are Lying About The 9/11 Truth Movement
Today, sadly, someone went into the Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C. and started firing. My condolences to everyone that was affected.
Glenn Beck and other individuals are making sure to point out the fact that he was an alleged member of the 9/11 Truth Movement, although I've never heard of the guy so Glenn is lying when he says that he was a hero.
There are SO MANY people that question the official account of 9/11. Not because one day we decided, "hey, this would be fun," but because there are simply LEGITIMATE reasons to do so. Because there are so many people, there are bound to be a few psychopaths like the individual that shot up the Holocaust Museum today, and the individual in Colorado who killed his father. It does NOT mean we are ALL murderers.
Look at the opposite side of the coin. Troy Sexton is a psychopath. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. You don't call a 9/11 Family Member, and tell them to put a bullet in their head. Screwloosechange PROMOTES their psychopath as a good thing. We do not. In fact, we denounce the psychopaths allegedly connected to what we do.
Again, my condolences to those affected by what happened today. The 9/11 Truth Movement is a peaceful movement and always has been.
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Same here.
I've been closely watching personalities, leaders and public advocates for 9/11 Truth for 6 solid years, and I've never heard of the guy.
Not only was the idiot no "hero" of 9/11 skeptics, he wasn't even a "fringe player".
Nice try, Beckie.
This seems like a very good idea
Suggestion from constitutional911 under the current posting of "5 Monkeys":
His words:
"I think it will be wise to have a clear statement of the Non-Violent Principles of the 911 Truth Movement posted prominently on this website as well as our stand on not supporting Holocaust Denial".
I agree
Even 911blogger should consider posting a public denunciation of both the shootings and Holocaust denial.
Yes and no
Yes because we want to make perfectly clear where we stand. I agree.
No because if we do so, it is as if we must answer to Fox News and Glenn Beck and conduct ourselves on their terms. This lands you in the trap of a mccarthyism loop.
So, I think it would be better to continuously hammer in the horrible lack of journalistic integrity displayed by Beck, in order to underscore that his attacks are frivolous, and that he has once again demonstrated that he is an unreliable source for facts. This puts the initiative on our side, and puts Beck into defense mode, instead of the other way around, were we must prove at every turn that we are not what they say we are.
Offense is the best defense. Demand an apology from Beck, don't offer one.
Excellent point!
Thank you. I totally agree with this approach. We can demand an apology in the same breath that we state the obvious fact that we are lovers of peace and justice, and haters of war, tyranny and all forms of ignorance and bigotry.
Demanding an apology from Beck
I love the idea of demanding an apology from Beck. That's good.
That could be a powerful truth-magnet, in getting people to look into what we're saying.
If you mean it literally, the next question is: How public and widespread could this demand be made?
Now we've got at least three ideas circulating:
1) Ignore and press forward
2) Brief, non-apologetic disclaimer
3) Demand for an apology
That third one feels like it could snowball into something effective. It might be risky and it might just be a distraction. But there is an intriguing sense of potential in it. The thing is, they've got the MSM, so I'm uncertain.
But I think of the open letters I've read here recently, as by Loose Nuke, ROBinDALLAS, and others. You never know. Maybe some people could be reached.
You left out: 4) Use as a teaching opportunity + take down Fox
To give you an example of what, I feel, 911 Truthers should be thinking about this ugly incident, I reproduce an email from Lawrence Lessig that I received yesterday, entitled "Scoring a Victory"
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(emphasis mine)
The key point is that Change-Congress did not either 1) whine to Senator Nelson or 2) get on its knees and beg him to change his ways.
Instead, they took their case to Nelson's supporters..
A Fox/Beck "supporter" is a viewer. Is this analogy clear enough?
When Beck gets his email about what a terrible guy he is, I expect that he will a) pat himself on the back and then b) show it to his boss, who will be tempted to give him a bonus, on the spot. Does the word "shameless" mean anything to you? Wouldn't it be far, far better to go after Fox's viewing audience? How many of them even know about Outfoxed.?
http://www.DemocracyABC.org
http://www.therealnews.com
http://www.pdamerica.org
I've said it before, and I'll say it again
The people involved in the 911 street-level activism activities are too limited. They should be going after the lying media (via educating the public, and pointing them towards alternatives*), and also educating Americans about the history of false flag operations. I know they do some of the latter, but IMO not nearly enough.
One of the biggest reasons people automatically dismiss 911 arguments, and even hard facts, is because they are ignorant of false flag operations, in general. Thus, dark 911 scenarios are not just perceived as uncomfortable - they are also perceived as strange. There's probably a psychological synergy between the two, leading people to tune out.....
For those who missed it, Barrie Zwicker is working on a new book, just on false flag operations. However, I'm afraid he is accepting Ganser's book at face value. Will somebody please tell Zwicker that Ganser's chapter on Greece is so wrong as to call into question his entire book. The Ganser book needs to be FACT CHECKED. Hopefully, Zwicker will get all of his facts straight, and 911 Truthers can start pushing it, aggressively. To that end, a video of the book could be produced, and given away on a donation basis (ask everybody who views it to donate $1, or more, after they've seen it, if they judge it worthwhile).
(BTW, I've alerted Ganser as to his egregious errors in the Greece chapter.)
* Not non-stop conspiracy outlets like infowars, either.
http://www.DemocracyABC.org
http://www.therealnews.com
http://www.pdamerica.org
Specifics of Ganzer's Errors?
Metamars,
If you can give me specifics regarding Ganser's errors on Greece, I will undertake to forward it to Barry Zwicker. I don't know if he reads this site, and even if he does, he may miss your comments.
Regards
Michael Zimmer
He completely screwed up the story of the bombing of the ....
He completely screwed up the story of the bombing of the Gorgopotamos bridge. It was not saved by the Greeks during WW2, but rather destroyed by them (both leftists and rightists; leftists blew one end, and the rightists the other end).
The true story is here: http://www.sa-snd.gr/docs-pdfs/operation%20harling.pdf .
Furthermore, the explosion that occurred at the bridge in more modern times was not blamed on leftists or rightists, but was considered an accident. Thus, it can't qualify as a false flag incident.
I don't recall, clearly, but I think my cousin (who grew up in Greece) mentioned that the accident occurred as both leftists and rightists were celebrating their success of WW2 days. People were milling around, and unfortunately somebody stepped on some unexploded ordnance.
Finally, it's been a while since I read Ganser's chapter on Greece, but IIRC, he said the bridge was guarded by Germans. It was not - it was guarded by Italians.
http://www.DemocracyABC.org
http://www.therealnews.com
http://www.pdamerica.org
Sent to Barrie
I sent it to Barrie.
Thanks
You're welcome, and thank-you, also
I've read most of Zwicker's book, Towers of Deception, and found it fascinating. Perhaps you'd be kind enough to also ask him whether he agrees with me that the 911 Truth Movement is too narrowly focussed, and should, e.g., also try and help the public leave not just Fox news, but CNN, ABC, etc., for the likes of therealnews? The Real News, while not perfect, is aiming to get a satellite presence.
I'd also be curious, since he's in the media, whether he agrees with me that, now that Beck has raised his ugly head with a smear job, the 911 Truth Movement should specifically go after Fox, via their listeners.
To show you how I have dealt with the anti-Semite smear-merchants, you might want to take a look at this thread.. I am not inclined to let Beck, or Fox off the hook.
http://www.DemocracyABC.org
http://www.therealnews.com
http://www.pdamerica.org
How is that done w/o Interfacing with the public and providing
information?
"The people involved in the 911 street-level activism activities are too limited. They should be going after the lying media (via educating the public, and pointing them towards alternatives*), and also educating Americans about the history of false flag operations."
Nobody is saying not to interface with the public / provide info
I'm just saying that if the information is just about 911, you will automatically not be able to reach a lot of people because of the strangeness factor. By providing other information about false flag operations, e.g., dark 911 theories seem far less strange.
Also, "the rubber meets the road" at election time. If the peace movement, which does not have a handicap of strangeness, has had so little effect on deciding who get elected, shouldn't that be a clue to the 911 truthers that they need to try extra hard to somehow not make the same mistakes as the peace movement (whatever those mistakes may have been), which prevented a peace-loving Congress from taking power? As far as I am aware, there's very little serious strategizing by the 911 truth movement to affect Congressional elections. I'm really not familiar with the history of the peace movement in terms of affecting electoral politics, but isn't it striking that nobody who is prominent in the 911 truth movement has even researched this? How can we avoid the mistakes of the peace movement, if we don't even know what they were?
Look, if the solutions to the problem of an unresponsive government were obvious or easy, they would have been done, already. But in order to make any real progress, people have to evaluate the effectiveness of their efforts as objectively as they can. Maybe some of my ideas will work, or maybe they will all fail. But without at least trying different approaches, there doesn't seem to be cause to be optimistic - either for peace, or 911 truth, or a host of other worthy issues.
Fortunately, because of crowd-funding and the internet, all is not lost. Indeed, Obama's use of crowd-funding for his own purposes, which are not generally populist (and, in some respects, not Constitutional), means that he can serve as an object lesson of how crowd funding can be usurped by a smooth talker. Isn't that a subject worth talking about to your fellow citizens, also?
http://www.DemocracyABC.org
http://www.therealnews.com
http://www.pdamerica.org
Effective Messaging in a picture and few words
This is the image that accompanied Change-Congress' email.
A viral email campaign against Fox news could have a subject title, with accompanying text, as follows: "Is Fox lying, AGAIN?"
Clicking the 'Find Out More' button should get you to a page that
a) starts off summarizing Fox's sordid history of lying and propaganda
b) tells the reader about Outfoxed
c) include the following, embedded video
d) delves into Beck's smear-job of the 911 Truth movement
e) tells the reader about Project Censored
f) suggests a reasonable alternative, like therealnews.com and finally
g) ask readers to never watch fox news, or one of their phoney baloney talking heads, like Glen Beck, again , as watching serial liars is ANTI-DEMOCRATIC and therefore UN-AMERICAN.
Democracy depending upon the free flow of honest information, and all that.
A follow up email, as part of a campaign to put Fox 'News' out of business, would hopefully feature a free, downloadable and copy-able video with good production values, focussing on Fox, but also going into the the other corporate media. The Outfoxed video is, AFAIK, protected by copyright and can't be freely reproduced. (I haven't actually checked that out, but after looking at the outfoxed web site, where they offer their video for sale, and only a preview for free, that's what I conclude.)
http://www.DemocracyABC.org
http://www.therealnews.com
http://www.pdamerica.org
He's such a hero...
That his name appears one time on this site, and in a comment denouncing him. I guarantee his name doesn't appear on 911truth.org. The two most popular 9/11 Truth sites don't even mention Glenn's "hero."
From my facts article...
Fact #38
Over the years, several polls have been conducted that show a majority of people are concerned about this issue. In August 2004, 911Truth.org commissioned Zogby International for a poll that concluded “half (49.3%) of New York City residents and 41% of New York citizens overall say that some of our leaders “knew in advance that attacks were planned on or around September 11, 2001, and that they consciously failed to act.” In May 2006, 911Truth.org commissioned Zogby International for a poll that concluded 45% of voting Americans think “Congress or an International Tribunal should re-investigate the attacks, including whether any US government officials consciously allowed or helped facilitate their success.” In September 2007, 911Truth.org commissioned Zogby International for a poll that concluded “51% of Americans want Congress to probe Bush/Cheney regarding the 9/11 Attacks.” In August 2006, Scripps Howard/Ohio University conducted a poll that concluded, “more than a third of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East.” In November 2007, Scripps Howard/Ohio University conducted another poll that concluded, “nearly two-thirds of Americans think it is possible that some federal officials had specific warnings of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, but chose to ignore those warnings.”
From the 2008 Declaration...
"Below is a list of associations that are damaging and marginalizing to the movement. [...] Holocaust denial/revisionism and Jewish conspiracy theories"
Glenn Beck, and everyone else that tries to tie this movement to Holocaust Deniers are the REAL "9/11 deniers."
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
Beck Knows What He's Doing
He is without conscience, ethics or morals.
He is a highly paid con artist.
He also has a history...
Of attacking those who question the official account.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnKppff5yQ8
As do MOST "mainstream" pundits. What does it say when the "media" that is supposed to be fair and balanced, can't give our information the time of day, and instead, attack us at every opportunity?
It says that this country is in SERIOUS trouble.
Again from my facts article...
Fact #25
As I mentioned in the introduction, the Mainstream Media has not covered the questions concerning the 9/11 attacks as they should, and for the most part, with the exception of small town news, have attacked those that do. According to James Goodale, the founders of the United States “enacted the First Amendment to distinguish their new government from that of England, which had long censored the press and prosecuted persons who dared to criticize the British Crown.” On 10/31/2005, Reporters Without Borders reported that the United States ranked 44th in the world for Freedom Of The Press “mainly because of the imprisonment of New York Times reporter Judith Miller and legal moves undermining the privacy of journalistic sources.” At the recent RNC, several journalists, including Amy Goodman of DemocracyNow were arrested. Over the years, the Mainstream Media has essentially used George Bush’s policy of never tolerating “outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September 11th - malicious lies that attempt to shift blame away from the terrorists themselves, away from the guilty.” At first, and still, they have referred to anyone that questions the events of 9/11 as “Conspiracy Theorists.” They have done so again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again. The Mainstream Media has also repeatedly focused on what is considered the “fringe” of the 9/11 Truth Movement, and has ignored the more credible researchers. Several celebrities have spoken out for 9/11 Truth. Each time one has done so, almost in unison, the Mainstream Media has attacked them. They have done so again, and again, and again, and again, and again. They have portrayed those who question the official account as “unpatriotic,” and also as “terrorist sympathizers.” As pointed out in Fact #23, the media has also ignored the 9/11 Family Members who question the official account, but they have also given a lot of attention to people like Ann Coulter that have attacked some of those family members again, and again, and again. The September Eleventh Advocates responded to Coulter’s remarks. The media has heavily promoted movies like “Path To 9/11” which are factually incorrect, and ignored movies liked “9/11: Press For Truth,” which calls into question the entire 9/11 Report, and is endorsed by the family members that fought for it. The MSM have also repeatedly said that if you question the official account of 9/11, you are dishonoring the family members.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
So he never made it to the theater?
I'm not surprised, most of these people are cowards, never show up in person and hide every way they can.
Did you send him a copy of 9/11: Press For Truth?
Keep up the great work, we're getting there!
The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.
Nope...
He never came, and nope, I never sent him a copy. Betsy may have.
Edit: I forgot I wrote this when Beck did this.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
My email to Glenn Beck
Glenn Beck you are pathetic coward who kneels at the feet of the "most dangerous elements" of the criminal faction of our government. When the truth about 9/11 comes out (and it will) I hope your are among the first to be tried as a treasonous propagandist. You have the gall to associate members of the 9/11 Truth Movement with a violent extremist Holocaust Denial murderer? Nothing you say can stand up to the facts. I feel so sorry for the sheep who are falling for your 9/12 project. They are being led by a vicious media whore who is selling out his countrymen for a huge paycheck. Every time I hear you feign praise for our Founding Fathers or the US Constitution I want to vomit. You are a worthless, lying piece of SHIT!!!
Below is the mission statement of Cincinnati 9/11 Truth. Read it and learn:
Cincinnati 9/11 Truth, a nonviolent grassroots organization comprised of concerned citizens, is committed to researching the events of September 11th, 2001 with an open, non-partisan mind. The ultimate goal of our organization is to bring about a new, thorough and “independent” investigation and the legal prosecution of those criminals involved for the 9/11 victims, their families and all who were effected by these horrific events.
We, of Cincinnati 9/11 Truth, do not proclaim to know the exact events that transpired on September 11th, however, we strongly feel that the “official story” purported by our own government is not only factually inaccurate but intentionally misleading. In the seven plus years subsequent to the attacks on our nation, key elements of the government’s official version have been proven false by basic physics, eyewitness testimony, historical and circumstantial evidence. Our hope is that individuals in search of answers regarding 9/11 can use the resources within our website (and those websites we provide links for) to formulate their own opinion. It is our goal and intention to bring forth to the people of our community the research offered by many highly qualified individuals, yet ignored by our political leaders and a complicit media.
Research. Communicate. Discover. Enlighten. Transform.
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I speak solely for myself in this email. If you have the nerve to read this aloud on your show I want you to do so unedited. Of course that would require honesty and integrity on your part and that 's something you are obviously lacking.
In closing I will provide you with links to many highly respected 9/11 Truth websites. Perhaps you may somehow come to your senses but I won't hold my breath.
www.AE911Truth.org (Architects and Engineers For 9/11 Truth)
www.STJ911.org (Scholars For 9/11 Truth and Justice)
www.PatriotsQuestion911.com
www.Firefightersfor911Truth.org
www.RL911Truth.org (Religious Leaders for 9/11 Truth)
www.V911T.org (Veterans For 9/11 Truth)
www.Journalof911Studies.com
www.Lawyersfor911Truth.blogspot.com/
www.MP911Truth.org (Medical Professionals for 9/11 Truth)
Do these sound like extremist fringe groups to you Mr. Beck???
Karl Pavloff
Cincinnati 9/11 Truth
Cincinnati, Ohio
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"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves" – Edward R. Murrow
Nice job!
I am glad somebody fired off a letter to this guy and told him that many of us know just what he is, an unconscionable lying propagandist. He is sickening. I don't see how anyone who has a clue can watch or listen to him.
It is incredible that Beck immediately tried to use this deranged muderer's actions to discredit the 911truth movement which is working non-violently to bring about justice for the victims of 911 through the exposure of the illegal deeds committed that day by people right here in the U.S.
What Beck is saying would be akin to trying to link the assassin of Arch Duke Ferdinand to people who wanted to expose the Nazi commission of the Holocaust.
"You are a worthless, lying piece of SHIT!!!"
Please don't do this. This is violence too -- verbal violence. I understand that you're angry, but I'm sorry you sent this. If he does read it on the air, it will only confirm his audiences's worst prejudices about us.
One slight correction...
I did change the word SHIT to "flith" in my email before I hit send. LOL
"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves" – Edward R. Murrow
Click my link to help.
My recent post to 9/11 Truth Burnout related to this topic gets a rank of #12 - #2 in a Google search for variations of "jews did 9/11." Please have a look if you haven't. Just the traffic helps the post gain traction with the search results, so another hit if you've read it might help.
http://911truthburnout.blogspot.com/2009/05/taking-out-trash-jews-did-91...
This would also be worth some clicks.
http://911review.com/denial/antisemitism.html
WIthout...
Starting a debate/argument, etc... I don't entirely agree with that statement. As you probably know, I am Jewish. The research that I have done into Israel's possible connection to 9/11 isn't based on anti-semitism. The Bush White House was VERY "friendly" to Israel, and had a history together with them. A history that goes back several years. There are no doubt questions about Israel. Just as there are questions for Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc... etc... I agree with most everything else you said.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
???
I don't really know what you are referring to. Your comment doesn't seem to relate to what I've said. Please clarify.
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"I'm going to go out on a limb here and state a controversial opinion of mine. I believe that much, and certainly not all, of this "honest research" is founded is subtle forms of anti-Semitism."
Ok... then I fall into the "certainly not all" category. Good article.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
Yeah. Thanks.
It's not easy to write about the subject as making any point at all requires a bit of generalizing. I tried to carefully couch things I said in order to make sure I wasn't throwing the baby in with the bathwater.
This is...
VERY frustrating.
Justin A. Martell
www.formyourown.org
www.jamartell.blogspot.com
In a soldier's stance, I aimed my hand at the mongrel dogs who teach! Fearing not that I'd become my enemy in the instant that I preach! My pathway led by confusion boats...mutiny from stern to bow!
Basically...
It means we are having an impact.
Which reminds me... there were A LOT of new people on the 911truth.org grassroots call tonight.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
I think it's encouraging
And maybe it will inspire us to do a little housecleaning as well.
The Eleventh Day of Every Month
I agree with you Jon, we are having impact.
First Obama makes the statement in his speech about some questioning or justifying 911.
We are those questioning 911 and our numbers are growing.
Now we get a boldly slanderous statement from Glenn Beck conflating this white supremacist freak with our peaceful, legitimate, and all-inclusive movement. The truth knows no race, religion, color or gender.
There are very powerful forces at work here.
They are upping their propaganda game because we are having impact.
With the economy in the tank, and the revelations about torture, more people are now receptive to the Truth.
I say we push harder.
I think people should call or write the stations that carry Glenn Beck on the radio as well as his television network, and let them know that he has made an irresponsible and slanderous statement. Demand an apology. I will call an ACLU lawyer who I met a few weeks ago to see whether we can bring a suit against him for this.
That sounds audacious
I like it.
I can just hear Hillary Clinton saying:
"Never waste a good crisis."
I was listening to Blitzer, CNN. Olbermann and Maddow, MSNBC. I definitely get the feeling they are going to spin this for all it's worth. I did not hear any mention of the 9/11 Truth movement until I saw this clip of Glenn Beck. Disgusting. I heard plenty of reference (or speculation) on the news today, that the shooter, James von Brunn, is 88 years old ... anti-Semitic ... racist ... he believes that Jews run Hollywood and the Federal Reserve ... which is unconstitutional ... does not believe that Obama is a natural-born-citizen. It was also reported that (I believe in the 80's) he nearly made it into the boardroom of the Federal Reserve and had intended to kidnap members or parade them in front of TV cameras. I believe he served time for another offense. I think he has a website or blog. They were reporting that this guy is well-known in the white-supremacist movement. I'm sure there will be an extensive profile coming out on him. Nothing all day about 9/11 until this Beck drivel.
It's like yin and yang after the roll that www.AE911Truth.org and Richard Gage are on, with the recent phenomenal strides they have been making in the media. This could be "game on".
here's the profile, nothing about 9/11:
Holocaust Museum Shooting Suspect Has History of Anger, Racism
FOX News, AP contributing
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525718,00.html
If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention.
The real irony here
is that Glenn Beck has far more in common with James Von Brunn than anyone I know or have ever met in the 9/11 truth movement.
From a previous post (5 Monkeys thread):
After viewing the above clip where Mr. Beck casually smears the entire truth movement by connecting us with the clearly deranged James Von Brunn, I did some quick checking online and could find absolutely no link between him and the truth movement or even the issue of 9/11. I find it totally unacceptable that someone on a major network could slander us in such a blatant manner with zero evidence and face no repercussions for it. I feel like the truth movement should rain truth down on Fox and Mr. Beck in every way we can, but I know that this will only distract us from the very important work we are doing and slow our steady progress down. This is very frustrating and infuriating, to say the least.
Most importantly, I think we have to be very careful about agent provocateurs mixing in with our local groups and causing trouble or even engaging in violence or vandalism in the name of 9/11 truth. Anyone like this needs to be identified, isolated and disavowed immediately.
You know you are winning when the other side starts fouling you more often and more flagrantly.
I totally agree with you that we need to stay calm and keep our eyes on the prize.
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As despicable as Glenn Beck and his ilk are, I think our best course of action is to ignore him out of existence.
The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.
What would really be interesting
Is how Glenn Beck would apply his Holocaust denier argument to the many Europeans who lived through WOII or have family members who have, and are 9/11 researchers as well.
The province in the Netherlands where I am from, Fryslân (although the Netherlands performed poorly overall) is known for secretly sheltering lots of Jews during the occupation. Holocaust denial is unthinkable over here. Would it enhance or diminish his argument?
How would the communities respond who were also locked up and killed in concentration camps, such as gypsies, socialists, communists, Poles, Romanians, intellectuals, homosexuals, liberals, religious opponents, etc. etc.
Geez, I just got done correcting Maddow...
no time now, but I'll definitely be taking advantage of this to point out Beck's errors and lack of journalistic integrity.
I agree with Satyakaama and simuvac about making clear statements of non-violence (got one everywhere I have a blog); non-violence is moral and the right way, (and more credible/effective), and clearly stating it is a good offensive policy against these cheap smear tactics by propaganda outlets like Beck, Bill "Kill Tiller" O'Reilly and Faux News.
I also agree w/ SnowCrash's point that an apology should be demanded from Beck for stooping so low as to try and equate the half of the US and growing that supports a new investigation with racist nazis- and without any evidence; "early reports"- and he says he doesn't know if it's true, but it was important enough to devote nearly TWO minutes of his show to it- as LeavingAlexJonestown points out, Beck doesn't mention that Von Brunn stormed the Fed in the early 80's- even though Beck takes a moment to stress that "I mean it’s totally fine to speak out against the Fed"
Let's Blame Everybody Except the Guilty Party
http://leavingalexjonestown.blogspot.com/2009/06/lets-blame-everybody-ex...
Nimmo on InfoWars:
Glenn Beck’s Outrageous Lie: Racist Von Brunn is “Hero of 9/11 Truthers”
http://www.infowars.com/glenn-becks-outrageous-lie-racist-von-brunn-is-h...
http://911reports.com
I don't know about Maddow, but Beck is a waste of time
Wouldn't it be better to start a campaign to turn people away from Fox News, and onto something more realistic, like therealnews.com ? Beck is obviously a sleaze-bag, and to put it bluntly, the body language of him and the ex-CIA dude certainly suggest to me that they're insincere, and lying through their teeth.
So, why bother with Beck? The man is shameless, and couldn't care less who he smears. As long as he keeps collecting his fat paychecks, he's happy. I can only imagine what he would say about - and do - to his own mother, if the price was right.
By now, most people have already heard the main counter-narratives to the government's 911 narratives. So, instead of just passing out 911 DVD's, one can hope that 911 truthers would pass out additional DVD's with Glen Beck doing his unconvincing smear job, and asking people to check out therealnews.com, and to support them instead of lying smear-merchants like Beck. They could also throw in a video of Barry Zwicker talking about the media.
In other words, Beck has presented us with a teaching opportunity: One that can help put Fox out of business.* But if the 911 truthers simply react to Beck, I'm afraid the opportunity will be completely lost, and just turn into a complete negative.
* More realistically, help collapse the "news" segment of their business. If we helped cut it down by 33%, that would still be a huge victory.
http://www.DemocracyABC.org
http://www.therealnews.com
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More to come?
As the truth movement gains more steam and adherents, or as the administration's explanations begin to appear more transparent, I believe we could well see more of these shootings. If people begin to question the government and its account of 9-11, then the government needs to create an association with such people as being hate-filled, irrational, and violent. I still strongly suspect that the US government began the "sectarian violence" in Iraq through strategic bombings, often followed by various sectarian groups "claiming responsibility". Once the US got each group thinking they were being targeted by another group, the violence escalated. And whenever it started to slow down or become resolved, it became time for the US to bomb another mosque in another episode of false flag terror. Knowing the US record for such manipulation, how can we know that the US government might not have been behind this latest act of violence. Maybe it was simply as it appeared; maybe not. But I fear there is more to come, of the false flag variety.
Beck: "I don't know if that's true or not.."
Well, then wait until you do Mr smear campaign Beck.
"Some folks say"
Haven't you seen "Outfoxed"? Fox 'News" should be called 'Fox's American Outlier* Propaganda Channel'.
* "outlier" is with an "e", not "a", though they are effectively out and out liars, too. :-)
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Beck is a loser
& going forward he needs to be left in the ditches.
Daniel Sunjata says it well
"Similarly only willful ignorance or a deliberate contempt for accuracy and logic can explain Glen Beck’s lumping together of Congressmen, law abiding citizens, highly decorated military personnel, prominent artists, and CIA veterans with violent radicals, in sweeping statements such as his ridiculous contention that 9/11 activists are “insane, dangerous anarchists” who comprise “”the kind of group a Timothy McVeigh would come from.” It is an easily verifiable fact that in the thousands of 9/11 protests that have taken place since 2001, not a single individual has ever been arrested for violent conduct or convicted of a violent crime."
"After an erroneous and lame attempt to dismiss and discredit 9/11 Truth as “lunacy” from the “far-left fringe” (the movement transcends both liberality and conservatism alike, is a mainstream phenomenon, and its basic premise is in fact eminently sane), he [O'Reilly] compounded his ignorance by comparing 9/11-dissent to Nazi propaganda and holocaust denial. Like…dude…SERIOUSLY?! It is the very height of disingenuity to suggest that by demanding truth and accountability one is somehow offending and dishonoring the victims or their families, when the only way to honor them is by finding out the truth and holding the guilty parties responsible for their crimes. It would be more apt to compare Nazi propagandists and holocaust deniers to an administration that skewed intelligence about Iraq in order to fear-monger the American people into supporting the doctrine of preemption, while evading the initiation of any official inquiry into the most catastrophic day in our nations history, for 441 days."
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“On the altar of God, I swear eternal hostility against all forms of tyranny over the mind of man."--Thomas Jefferson
My Email To Mr. Beck. Comments and Suggestions Appreciated-
This is my first time every emailing or contacting a television news show. I'm sure I'm one of thousands and suspect this letter of interest will never be read or addressed.
Dear Mr. Beck and Producers,
I just finished viewing your segment on the holocaust shooting and the attempt to link the suspect to the 9/11 Truth Movement. Quite frankly I was shocked and appalled at the actions this individual took. I've also combed many blogs in order to determine if this man was even in the 9/11 Truth Movement. I have found no evidence as such. Maybe this man did believe individuals within the United States Government were responsible for the attacks. That doesn't make everyone who thinks that a right-wing extremist racist. Did you happen to investigate wether this man believes in God? If so, did you try to link this man with ALL people who believe in God as you tried to do with the 9/11 Truth Movement?
Perhaps this is why mainstream media news outlets are begining to faulter in the face of citizen journalism.
James W. Von Braun certainly is not a "Hero" in the 9/11 Truth Movement. Your information is in error so I would expect an apology to the 9/11 Truth Movement. I suspect this will not happen. Who feeds you these "early reports"? The Movement itself is non-violent and is opposed to war especially one based upon the lies of the Bush Administration.
I was then surprised that you stated you "warned" the public for a very long time about 9/11 Truthers. The 9/11 Truth Movement, if it can even be called that, is a collection of
individuals across the world demanding a new investigation into the attacks of 9/11. Some of these individuals are more vocal than others of course and we can thankt the First Amendment that they are. There are a few professional organizations, none of which are "white supremacists".
Many individuals that are a part of We Are Change have made public their tough questions to politicians, media personalities about the events of 9/11. Pilots For 9/11 Truth have received flight recorder data from the Pentagon attack jet, and have conclusively shown there are anomalies that need to be addressed via a new investigation. Members of Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice have conclusively proven thermitic types of materials were used to assist the destruction of the WTC Towers via a peer-reviewed scientific journal article in Bentham Open Journal. Has your team of producers reported on this startling discovery yet? Perhaps this is why mainstream media news outlets are faultering in the face of citizen journalism.
I'm an individual with multiple college degrees and consider myself a 9/11 Truther and belong to several of the organizations below.
Please explain to me how I am a "whacked out conspiracy theorist" because I demand a new investigation? By doing so, you have labeled many 9/11 Family Members themselves such as ,The Family Steering Committee an independent, nonpartisan group of individuals who lost loved ones on September 11, 2001.This group was responsible for the creation of the 9/11 Comission because the Bush Administration would not create an investigative body!
The following site categorizes over 2000 high profile Politicians, Engineers and Architects, Pilots and Aviation Professionals, Surviviors and Family Members, Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials, Professors,and others. Please have your team of crack producers and researchers read and review the following website http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/. These are the true heroes of the 9/11 Truth Movment, not James W. Von Braun.
Other groups include the following:
Architects and Engineers Petition for a New 9/11 Investigation
Firefighters for 9/11 Truth Petition
Lawyers for 9/11 Truth
Medical Professionals for 9/11 Truth Petition for a New 9/11 Investigation
Political Leaders for 9/11 Truth Petition for a New 9/11 Investigation
War Is Illegal Petition
New York City Ballot Initiative for a New 9/11 Investigation
9/11: Breaking the Wall of Silence (11 Settembre 2001: Rompere il muro del silenzio)
Demand that the Canadian Government Investigate 9/11
Prominent Americans and 9/11 Family Members for a New 9/11 Investigation
Petition for the Release of CIA Documents Pertaining to 9/11
Petition For An Independent International Truth Commission On 9/11
Justice for 9/11 Petition for a New 9/11 Investigation
Citizens Request for the FBI to Review 9-11
Scholars Petition for Release of 9/11 Information
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On another note, an individual and ardent support of the official story of 9/11, Troy Sexton, aka. Troy from West Virgina has publically advocated via video and published comments for 9/11 Family Member, Bob McIlvaine, to "put a bullet in his head" and has insuinated he would help.
Because you, Mr. Beck, are an ardent believer in the official 9/11 story as Troy is, does that make you as dispicable and evil as Troy? According to your logic, it does. I didn't say it, your logic DEMANDS it. Do you believe 9/11 Family Member, bob McIlvaine should end his own life because of his beliefs?
Finally, thank you very much for your time reading this email, if you did. I expect no response in a return email or a response on your program.
Sincerely,
Mr. ****-A non-violent, non-racists, anti-war, highly educated 9/11 Truther.
"I would imagine that if you took the top expert in that type of work and gave him the assignment of bringing these buildings down with explosives, I would bet that he could do it." -1993-John Skilling, Head Structural Engineer WTC Towers
Don't you think it'd be better to get this email to Fox viewers?
If you agree, are you going to make any attempt to do so? And if the answer to that is "yes", the next questions are "how?" and "Are you gong to use social networking web sites, like Facebook?" I'm just learning about social networking web sites, myself.
BTW, you misspelled 'insinuated'.
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Excellent mail
Swingdangler. I enjoyed reading it.
To metamars: when I referred to "demanding an apology" earlier, I referred to the content of a possible public statement by a representative of the 9/11 truth movement. (Such as 911blogger). This public statement would address Beck, but not be directed at him. It would in fact be directed at his viewers, by showing them that he is unreliable. This, I think would be preferable to apologizing for something we are not.
Furthermore, I am also for efforts to encourage people to tune out from the propagandistic media and tune in to independent news outlets. I'm for informationing. In fact, I'm for most of the activities going on in the truth movement, both peaceful (peace movement) and less peaceful (WAC). I also support your ideas. Just to clear up any misunderstanding.
OK, thanks
I've sort of been conditioned to expect activists of all stripes to not channel their efforts optimally, so I don't always get somebody's strategy, correctly. Thanks for the clarification.
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Glen Who?
?
I think our best approach is to ignore Beck
1) He will love any negative attention we give him, as will his paymasters.
2) His relatively small audience is, by definition, ignorant and happy to remain ignorant. Thus, any effort to specifically target them for education will have very limited returns and not be worth our time.
We are much better served by increasing our public education activities, focussing on getting the best information to the building professionals, scientists and educators; where we will continue to undermine the 9/11 myth and swing the general population around to the truth.
Let's collectively choose to ignore Mr. Beck and he will become as inconsequential as he deserves to be.
We have much positive work to do, brothers and sisters, let's get busier!
The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.
Yes, keep it civil,
but right in their faces. Don't back off an inch, call them what they are. Bullies, propagandists, appologists for the highest of criminal acts , treason, murder, torture, massive fraud on a scale never seen before, etc. Thank you Sheila for reminding us of the MLK way.
Glenn Beck
This is war.
Hmm
I dont have much else to add to what everyone else said, so I'll share this experience I had today.
Being recently promoted, I now share an office with a very kind woman with an open mind. Last week, out of the blue, I asked her if she'd ever heard of Building 7 or WTC 7, to which she replied 'no', of course. So I brought up Youtube and showed her that infamous clip. Thats all it took. "I've never seen that before. And what do they say caused that?"
Fires, of course.
So this week I happened to notice her Googling "wtc 7" and reading. Today, while reading Linux news and Fark, I pull up 911Blogger and see this post. Here we go, I thought. After what Obama said this is starting to look like an attack. Well to me, that's progress. We're on their radar, or they wouldn't bother to claim such ridiculous things unless they wanted to try (and fail) at discrediting the 9/11 truth movement again. So Im nonplussed.
So I say, 'Hey Sharon, want to see something?; I show her the video and she sits back down, jaw dropped. Vaguely awkward pause, as I'm not quite sure what shes thinking yet. 'That's just infuriating! That's not true ... I'm noticing that you're not really angry at that guy.'
Oh, I am, I replied. You get used to this sort of thing, I suppose. But I am.
So she asks for a list of websites and films to learn more about 9/11 truth issues, and I jot down what I consider to be the most prominent and credible sites. 'You know', she says, 'My grandson takes after me, has a very open mind. I've told him about some of the things you've brought up to me, and I want to give him this list.'
I smiled. 'Get 'em young', I said. And that's my story.
I hope to see you ALL in New York this year. I have a feeling its going to be big.
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“The greatest purveyor of violence in the world today -- my own government.” -Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Dont preach it, just mention it :)
Very nice, well done
The best response to all the character assassination is to just go out and educate more people.
(As my first baseball coach taught us, when the other team cheats, the best way to get back a them is by playing harder and making sure you win the game fair and square)
We ARE approaching the tipping point, brothers and sisters, let's get busier!
Thanks for the story, it put a big smile on my face.
The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.
Showing the collapse of WTC 7
to people who haven't seen it before, and then after they have had a chance to see it was obviously a controlled demolition, simply asking them when there would have been a chance to set the charges, is about as simple and powerful a tool there is to cause someone to see there is more than meets the eye to 911.