9/11 FAMILIES, FIRST RESPONDERS AND SURVIVORS TO TAKE NEW YORK CITY TO COURT OVER NYC CAN PETITION
July 27, 2009
SEVENTY THOUSAND New Yorkers signed the NYC CAN petition, raising their voices in support of NYC CAN’s demand for accountability. They have chosen to place the decision to create a new 9/11 investigation – a REAL 9/11 investigation – exactly where it belongs: before the voters of New York City this November. The voices of SEVENTY THOUSAND Americans who believe in democracy and believe that government exists to serve the people – and not the other way around – have been GAGGED by ONE so-called “PUBLIC SERVANT” – The New York City Clerk – who denied the petition and the voice of the people.
Welcome to America. Democracy denied.
Did you REALLY expect those in halls of power to honor the WILL OF THE PEOPLE? Did you expect this demand for accountability to go uncontested by those who have forgotten the very meaning of the word? Perhaps this obstruction of democracy would go unchallenged in THEIR America. Not in OUR America.
9/11 family members, first responders and survivors expected nothing less than business as usual and ARE NOT HAVING IT. They are preparing to take the City of New York to court to challenge the wrongful denial of our right to decide on the creation of a new 9/11 investigation.
Friends, your determination and generosity have brought us to this crucial moment. TRUTH IS AT THE CROSSROADS, DEMOCRACY UNDER FIRE AND THE DEFINING MOMENT IN THE QUEST FOR ACCOUNTABILITY IS UPON US. This is YOUR movement and nothing may bring you closer to attaining truth than NYC CAN. Stand in the light and demand ANSWERS, not in the shadows of those who would deny you such answers.
THE BIG NEWS: the most experienced election lawyer in New York City stands ready to represent the 9/11 families, first responders and survivors in court in an HISTORIC FIGHT FOR DEMOCRACY AND TRUTH. BUT WE DESPERATELY NEED YOUR FINANCIAL SUPPORT TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. This is your chance – your ONE chance – to stand with the 9/11 families, first responders and survivors, and demand accountability. THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE WORKED FOR, AND WHAT WE CAN ACHIEVE IF WE STAND TOGETHER NOW.
Donate over $25 and we’ll mail you a free NYC CAN button. Donate over $50 and you will receive a free NYC CAN button and a well-made NYC CAN t-shirt.
ACT RIGHT NOW. Go to – http://nyccan.org/donate.php – and donate whatever you can to bring the quest for answers to the biggest stage it has ever had: THE NEW YORK CITY BALLOT.
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Apparently...
They're saying a small percentage of the signatures are valid, and have blocked the petition. I just sent another $50 I can't afford, so please send something.
You celebrities out there that can drop $10k without even noticing, now would be the time for you to put up.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
I also gave $50
for the third time now.
If Not Me? Who? If Not Now? When?
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Please call and put the pressure on these creeps and let them we are not going to let this go unchecked. Demand to know why the Ballot Initiative is being blocked.
another 25$
Another 25$ from Spain. We can do it!!
Shenanigans
I just got this email too and was waiting for you to post it here. Sounds like the Clerk is blocking it from going to the City Council, right? Or has the City Council begun the count? Who is blocking it? There is no way that a full counting could have been completed-- and even if many signatures aren't vailid--- only 30,000 had to be. Additionally NYCCAN paid the required submission fee, so that can't be it.
Shenanigans. To be expected though. I'll send them another $50 as well. Find out some more from Ted, Jon.
From what I understand...
They are saying a smaller percentage than needed is valid, and apparently, they aren't counting signatures that they should. I just got off the phone with Kyle Hence who is affiliated with NYCCAN to try and understand what's happening. I'm sorry, but this is kind of out of the blue.
Edit: I have sent a request for a better description of what's going on.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
link?
Is there any news item reporting this ballot rejection? This is the first I've heard of it.
Me to...
And to answer your question about a "news item..." This is America, where our media is controlled. The answer would be no.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
Petition donations
I just sent $25.
Can anyone give more details? Did the Clerk refuse to take the petitions with the signatures? Did the clerk take the petitions and then do a random sample of the signatures to determine the % of valid signatures? And THEN reject for insufficient number of valid signatures? Someone should do a public records request for the "random sample." Was it "salted" with bogus signatures to skew the % of valid signatures? Did the "powers that be" send out minions to sign the petitions with false signatures to assure this result?
Also, not all governmental actions are subject to an initiative petition. I was expecting that a rejection might be lodged based on the investigation being "administrative" or "ministerial" in nature and therefore, not a proper subject of an intiative petition. Generally, only legislative matters may be voted on in an initiative. Has this issue been vetted by lawyers?
"Has this issue been vetted by lawyers?". . .
. . . yes, that's key here. and does anyone know to whom the following refers? "the most experienced election lawyer in New York City stands ready to represent the 9/11 families, first responders and survivors in court..."?
>>I'm sorry, but this is
>>I'm sorry, but this is kind of out of the blue.
This is pretty much a given with any political or money-involved ballot initiative, in case you've never been involved in one before. Almost all such efforts are blocked as hard as possible by a city because in the US, corporations control the politicians. Corporations own it all, and they like war, not peace, lawlessness, not law.
Not blue, but rather Green
How much "Justice" can you afford? This is to be expected, folks...it's the way things work.
True. Wish more people had discussed that fact beforehand.
One thing that might have given me more faith in those coordinating this effort would have been more realistic strategic planning. Was there a plan in place on the reasonable assumption that the initiative might be rejected.
We just kept on hearing that 70,000 signature would "force" the city to put in on the ballot. Turns out that wasn't true. Now what?
besides donations...
... does anyone have any ideas on what we can do to bring some pressure to bare on this?
just who exactly do you complain to?
the city council? http://council.nyc.gov/html/members/members.shtml
It would seem to fall within their oversight jurisdiction.
but i would not hold my breath expecting results.
"We need to move beyond conspiracy theories and slogans - and return to our roots. 9/11 Truth is no less than a constitution battle to ensure our rights as citizens to demand full and honest answers from our appointed representatives in Washington." JA
Accountability is a problem
Some people think they can get away with anything.
But they're wrong. See-- Ninth Circle:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inferno_(Dante)
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oh?
like what Jenny?
it appears that you have been posting in a number of different threads here referring to me with semi-nasty insinuations:
"And somehow they knew where John was coming from--maybe because they call it home:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inferno_(Dante)"
Jenny - for someone who spends all her time blogging about internet stalkers and trolls - you appear to be taking a page right out of their playbook.
i know full well that you were the victim of some of the most vicious online attacks. and - as you know - so was i. but - your obsession with this topic - and desire to suck others into your fights is becoming problematic. is this is not trolling - what is?
"it appears that you have
"it appears that you have been posting in a number of different threads here referring to me"
Please don't exaggerate. You are only quoting from one thread. Which makes this statement
"you appear to be taking a page right out of their playbook"
so "katherine"--EXACTLY what he does--exaggerate, blame the messenger and try to paint himself the victim.
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Katherine
whatever. you said:
"And somehow they knew where John was coming from--maybe because they call it home:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inferno_(Dante)"
that pretty much exposes your agenda here
I don't understand
Why hasn't NYCAN published the names and home addresses of the city clerk, lawyers, and all other local government officials who are blocking this petition? This way couldn't citizens hold peaceful protests outside their houses, and ask them face to face why they are doing this - preferably on camera?
Is this a handful of people subverting the will of tens of thousands of citizens?
Blocking an investigation into mass murder and high treason?
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What I don't understand is why this hasn't already been done?
I bet the real perpetrators of 9/11 have these people's names and addresses and a lot more.
This is a horrible day
For New York City, for the United States, and for the world.
Given this behavior, what good will it do to have a referendum on the investigation? They'll just compromise the voting machines en masse, as they did in 2000, 2004 and probably 2008.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable" — John F. Kennedy
Mechanical lever machines still used in NY
If this makes you feel a little better about something snowcrash, New York still uses the old style lever voting machines so "fixing" the vote in the state of NY is very difficult at that level. In fact, a write-in option is also available in a NYS voting machine.
From what I understand, we are only state in full compliance with the constitution (according to bradblog New York is the last state in the nation to have a non-computerized, transparent voting system. We still use immutable, theft-deterring mechanical lever voting machines...
www.bradblog.com/?cat=376)
peace
dtg
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Yes
that does make me feel better :-)
Thanks!
Sending more money
Just gave another $25. last week and giving $25. more now so up to $175. Everyone should donate now - whoever is reading this.......The clerk must be questioned how he derived his formula for refusal - and that doesn't require a lawyer. A letter is sufficient asking for details.
If the clerk can't provide sufficient information, and he won't be able to, then it's going to be annoying and costly. The New York Court system is as corrupt as any third world country's regardless of the issue.
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Please call and put the pressure on these creeps and let them we are not going to let this go unchecked. Demand to know why the Ballot Initiative is being blocked.
No surprise here.
In my opinion, expressed many times in many ways and places over the past couple years, the rejection of the initiative which I had previously anticipated is just the first of many problems this effort will encounter from both external and internal sources.
So, how much money donated to NYCCAN is going to go to challenging the city? Will the effort be able to generate some press for the movement? And if the initiative is rejected, what kind of frustration and burnout will result? All that effort over two years for so little outcome.
I'm not feeling like my concerns are less valid right now.
Thanks for your opinion Julian
What do you suggest be done about it?
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Actually, this is one of the few outcomes I had hoped for.
Having the city reject the initiative might actually be the best possible outcome considering my opinion of all the internal problems the effort faces.
As John is pointing out, this could be a real opportunity for some good press. So what I recommend is that we fashion a very mature response to this rejection that plays up our democratic rights, our basic desire for answers without any mention of 9/11 facts, and makes clear exactly who supports the initiative, the public, and our more notable participants.
We should contact news outlets and feed this story to as many as possible on the assumption that if only a few pick it up that others will follow.
We should also have activists in NYC plan a march on City Hall to protest this action handing out flyers to the public that let everyone know what we are about.
Great ideas
Theres our marching orders, people. Following Julian's post as a rough guideline, some great opportunities present themselves ..
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Jules
Some of your concerns are certainly valid, but why is it that you focus so much on the negative stuff that you even have a blog about it?
It's as if you slam the 9/11 truth movement constantly under the guise of allegedly being its truest and most uncorrupted participant. I'm not sure putting the spotlight on the negativity and amplifying it is really helping any of us. I'm cynical too sometimes, but not all the time. How many people reading your blog are going to say: "I quit, this movement is going nowhere"?
It's even literally in your blog's "About" section:
I'm not sure I really like you if that is your blog's accomplishment.
Gee. How well you've misrepresented my intentions.
http://911truthburnout.blogspot.com/2009/04/more-about-this-blog.html