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Dylan Avery on NPR - Archived Stream

Conspiracy Theories Find a Home on the Internet

Morning Edition, August 9, 2006 · Conspiracy theories surrounding the events of Sept. 11 are popping up on the Internet. The documentary Loose Change is an Internet sensation that explores many of these theories. Renee Montagne talks to Dylan Avery, director and narrator of Loose Change. She also talks to historian Timothy Naftali to understand what's behind the fascination with conspiracy theories.

Archived Streaming audio at link.

For grins, count the contradictions in the expert's counterpoint.

NPR will do everything to

NPR will do everything to uphold the official version. After all, their own show called "All Things Considered" turned out "All Things Omitted & All Fraud Bought" when it comes to 9/11: the steel structure melted...etc...etc...

I'm really amused by the

I'm really amused by the tack that the media takes in relation to 9/11 Truth: It's just that good old fashioned American penchant for conspiracy theories! Gosh, we Americans just can't get enough of 'em! Mmmm mmm.

Okay, now let's talk about how Europeans have been at the forefront of 9/11 truth, shall we, media gatekeepers for the Big Lie?

Obviously, the reporters and journalists and show hosts can't refute the evidence, so they just label everyone pursuing 9/11 truth (and the criminals who did 9/11) as conspiracy theorists, and thus there's no need to debate the facts.

My local "independent" weekly republished a pretty good story by R.V. Scheide which - while I'm glad it got into Spokane's mainstream - took a similiar position. The author of an upcoming book on conspiracy theories, Kathryn Olmstead, is heavily quoted. However, she had to admit, "Sometimes, they're even successful, Olmstead says, noting that scandals such as Watergate and the Iran-Contra affair began as conspiracy theories until they were proved correct, at which point they became genuine conspiracies."

Vanity Fair, NPR, CNN, Fox, and more mainstream outlets are having to pay attention. The big lie is slowly disintegrating, folks, but the criminals and their supporters will continue working to keep it alive. Look at the war in the Middle East and you'll see why. Keep up the good work, fellow truthers. Remember, WTC7 is the smoking gun....

Dylan needs to bring up the

Dylan needs to bring up the names of the researchers and not let them frame it as though he's the creator of all the theories -- from his interview we have no idea of the breadth of people of all professions who are working on this, we think that a group of 20-somethings came up with a conspiracy that teenagers on the internet think is cool. That way they're able to steam roll it with any man in a suit and tie who can talk about the psychology behind CTs.

Remember, WTC7 is the

Remember, WTC7 is the smoking gun....
Mike in Spokane.... | 08.09.06 - 11:28 am | #

yep and LC2 it the best tool we have to pread the truth!!!!

*spread

*spread

No offense to Dylan... I

No offense to Dylan... I love LC2 and am waiting anxiously for LCE. But, I have heard interviews with a number of radio outlets who have interviewed Dylan regarding 9/11. There are people that are great (like Dylan) in formulating thought and succinctly conveying a message. But, there are people, unlike Dylan, that can think quick on their feet and deliver a concise message.

Dylan, keep off the airwaves and focus on LCE.... Let others more media savvy discuss 9/11... please!

at this point - any media is

at this point - any media is good media

the truth movement is about real people reaching out to other real people.

i really don't like to see anything negative said about our icons.

that's just me of course.

V, Dylan is the moviemaking

V, Dylan is the moviemaking genius, Bermas is probably a little better speaker. No biggie. All publicity is good publicity.

thanks for the kind words

thanks for the kind words bozo.

you guys keep in mind that I talked to her for up to an hour, and they only used about two minutes.

i actually DID bring up that it wasn't me with these theories, but you didn't hear that part.

i'm getting better and better at interviews, and I'd like to think I've come a long way as a researcher and a person in the last year and a half.

it's not like I went on national television and said the passengers are still alive. ;)

What does it do to a

What does it do to a 20-something's ego to be in Vanity Fair etc? What would it take for Dylan to say to NPR -- you know what, I want to pass my interview on to Steven Jones and Kevin Ryan, instead. Can you picture Dylan or the LC crowd doing that? That's why they were the chosen ones to have the 'hit.' They have the ego's to think they can do it all and in the process they will be made to look like nut cases easily by the MSM machine, all the while believing they are doing great because their fans will be building them up into icons constantly.

People should stop gushing all over them on here -- they need to learn when it's the right time to put their egos and fame aside and hand the ball to a professional who is standing in the shadows.

What's the guys name who was

What's the guys name who was the consultant to the 9/11 Ommission interviewed here? Timothy Who? Sounds like Nuftalley?

Neocon leanings i would venture.

reader, let me explain

reader, let me explain something to you...

NPR e-mailed me and said "would you like to do an interview?"
I said "yes."

this is not about ego. I'm glad you have your own personal preference as to who's the best spokesman, but this is not your movement. it is everyone's.

V and bozo, I'm somewhere in

V and bozo, I'm somewhere in between your points of view -- or, maybe I can just see both arguments. I guess I'm leaning more towards bozo's side (any media is good media). I guess it just depends on how each media event is framed. I haven't listened to the NPR piece (and probably won't) because just hearing how they decided to frame it by bringing on some historian (as if he's an expert on 9/11) to deflect the entire debate into that tired old "fascination with conspiracy theories" bullcrap. It's as disgusting an angle as when the media talks about how us truthers are getting some sort of comfort from feeling like we know more. Jeezus F'ing Christ.

I don't mean to be brutal --

I don't mean to be brutal -- Dylan et al are working hard and have done a lot and reached a lot of people. But now is the time for the information and the strongest points best elucidated by the actual scientists, not the celebrity and the fame of the film to take center stage. That is the only way to reach people in venues like NPR where people think and are proud of thinking.

I don't mean to attack or sound brutal. The reality of what happens to people when they are jettisoned into fame is something no one should deny or pretend can't happen to them. Everyone is susceptible under such pressure to think they are the answer and they can do it all and be the spokesperson for everyone. This is why there are so many people to fight in the military -- they all think they cannot be killed.

howdy dylan -- amazing to

howdy dylan -- amazing to hear you talked with her for an hour and they only cherry-picked 2 minutes (to fit their agenda, I expect). Keep up the great work, and don't let the naysayers get you down.

reader, if this were about

reader, if this were about ego, I would have taken the MSNBC spot.

instead, I handed it to Bermas, because I believed he could do a better job than I.

we do not have the option of passing our interviews on to people. all we can do is do the best with what we're given.

kevin ryan does not want his face on television, i can tell you that much. he cares too much for the safety of his family.

stephen jones is hard enough to get in touch with, let alone onto a radio show within an hours notice.

stop demanding perfection from us, please.

anytime anyone from the

anytime anyone from the truth movement gets a spot in the MSM to talk about 9/11, that appearence is picked apart ruthlessly by people on this site. see Fetzer below for proof.the perfectionism is annoying as hell.

>>reader, do you think that

>>reader, do you think that NPR would really take 9/11 truth that seriously that they'd bring on the actual scientists?

They are afraid to have Jones on, that's why they don't call him up. But LC could make a spectacle of NPR if they tried to exchange themselves for Steven Jones and NPR refused. Now *that* would make a good scene to have in a next edition.

you were great dylan. the

you were great dylan.

the other guy was a "suitopath" - i visited their web site.

Val McClatchey photo IS the

Val McClatchey photo IS the smoking gun, whether it's real or fake!

http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/07/val-mcclatchey-photo-more-smoking-g...

reader, do you think that

reader, do you think that NPR would really take 9/11 truth that seriously that they'd bring on the actual scientists? These media organizations are so corrupted and compromised that all they can do is try to obfuscate and discredit and do their best to bury the movement.

I love how the media uses

I love how the media uses the same
bullshit over & over when they
address a truth seeker.......
They give the impression that these are his/hers theories alone.....

Example:

"Chalrie Sheen and 911"

They try to give you the impression
that Sheen and Sheen alone is
the only one questioning this.
Like He did all the research himself.

Or

"Madison College Professor has some
wild theories about 911"

When they rarely do mention
"the movement" they just paint us
as bored interenet computer geeks who have spent the majority of
our lifes researching JFK and
need something new to suck on.

Of course they will NEVER bring up
someone of the likes of
Paul Craig Roberts
(and other true patriots).

WAKE THE F%#K UP AMERICA!

>>reader, let me explain

>>reader, let me explain something to you... NPR e-mailed me and said "would you like to do an interview?"
I said "yes."

Yet, imagine if you'd stepped aside for one second and put someone else first -- Steven Jones and Kevin Ryan, or David Ray Griffin. Imagine.

>>this is not your movement. it is everyone's.

Exactly. Let's make it everyone's movement, not just LCs movement. Now is the time to hand over some of LCs power to others for the good of the movement, for once let the scientists and the people who are doing the numbers, currently standing in the dark (!), have the light shine on them.

Again, Dylan you are great

Again, Dylan you are great at making movies with a great message. But let others speak for you when asked ad hoc questions. You need a professional, polished PR person to address these questions, not Dylan and Co. Your producer the other night looked like a thug in his "Investigate 9/11 T-shirt (which I ordered btw). I have been in sales for the past 20 years. I have learned it is not so much about the knowledge you have (which for you, is plenty) but how you convey that knowledge based on your audience. You are what, 22, 23? I almost idolize you for what you have done for the 9/11 movement. But right now, don't let egos get in the way of doing what is right.

P.S. If Aaron Russo can get his movie in theaters, I am expecting LCE to be in a theater near me in September... REMEMBER.. you have a lot of influential friends that can make this happen.

Chris, agreed -- we need

Chris, agreed -- we need solidarity big time

constructive criticism is

constructive criticism is one thing, but this shit seems pretty fucking petty to me.

Dylan: I know I have been

Dylan:

I know I have been critical before, but I really do think you've been doing a better job in media appearances of late, and think an NPR Morning Edition story (which reaches millions in morning drivetime) is fantastic.

As I've suggested before, I strongly do recommend buying yourself (if you don't have one) an iPod with a built-in dictation microphone, and taking it with you to any interviews you do (and recording any phone interviews you do).

I am sure everyone here would love to have heard the full, uncut interview- to see what NPR chooses to keep and lose, and to get a better sense (in all interviews) of journalistic disposition. We do know some journalists (or producers) have been very duplicitious in their dealings with 9/11 Truth folks - setting them up (as with Fetzer on Hannity). Having audio to show that duplicity to the world helps the average person see the degree to which the media is NOT always an object, fair broker.

Anyway, keep up the good work.

V and others: Dylan has been

V and others: Dylan has been on my radio show and he can think quick on his feet. He's a real guy and he tells it like it is. He's genuine and he knows the facts and he can communicate them. He created a world wide sensation (LC2E) that injected more juice into the 9/11 Truth Movement than anything else I can think of. Maybe Dylan could use more sleep at times :) but that's because he's working 24/7 to get the truth out to the people. I'm extremely proud of Dylan - and Jason and Korey.

We all need

We all need solidarity...

And to all you Loose Change detractors out there.. Expend the emotional energy, creativity, intellect and dollars to produce a movie to top Loose Change!!!! It is a great movie and has flipped even my own older brother in realizing the truth about 9/11.

Dylan, keep doing it. But, now you are in the big time. You are making dollars from DVD sales. Get a hired professional to talk about your movie .

jeeeeezus people STOP WITH

jeeeeezus people STOP WITH THE EGO.

i love how easy it is for you to criticize people's every move from behind a monitor.

how bout you guys go on national television and speak to millions of people live? then we can all hop on 911blogger and talk about all the things you did wrong.

or, hey, maybe we can spend our time actually spreading the truth, instead of bitching on a website?

call me crazy.

>>we do not have the option

>>we do not have the option of passing our interviews on to people. all we can do is do the best with what we're given.

You could pass it up -- a story where you asked to bring on Jones which was refused would make a great publicity piece to show that the MSM refuses to have on the real scientists.

>>kevin ryan does not want his face on television, i can tell you that much. he cares too much for the safety of his family.

So why is he willing to speak in public and do the journal? Besides, his face would not be in public on a radio program . . .

>>Stephen jones is hard enough to get in touch with, let alone onto a radio show within an hours notice.

Steven Jones is available all day long on his forum so I imagine you can easily reach him on the phone during those times.

i guess my point would be, a

i guess my point would be, a media appearence by Dylan, Fetzer, or anyone else isnt going to change the world, its not going to blow the lid off of 9/11 all by itself.so getting all worked up over it not being perfect or just to your liking seems irrational to me.

V- with all due respect,

V- with all due respect, spending people's hard earned money on a spokesperson is the last thing on my mind. we're more concerned about our thousands of free DVDs for 9/11 this year.

disinfo- thanks, I'm trying my best.

"As I've suggested before, I strongly do recommend buying yourself (if you don't have one) an iPod with a built-in dictation microphone, and taking it with you to any interviews you do (and recording any phone interviews you do)."

good idea. i'm not an ipod person, to be honest. we try to record our full interviews, but sometimes it just doesn't happen.

btw, in case i appear hypocritical, the 2nd edition recut is rendering in the background, so I have some spare time to post. :D

reader, your idealism is

reader, your idealism is getting in the way

"Imagine if you'd stepped aside..." WTF? Please get real. That is a totally unrealistic imagination you have there.

I've never once thought that this is "just LCs movement" -- and, I doubt seriously that anyone within the movement (or even the newbies who've been persuaded by LC) see it that way.

hey dylan, quick question,

hey dylan, quick question, is Final Cut going to do a segment on the obviously inside job Anthrax attacks? it ties in with 9/11 and would make sense right? either way, keep up the great work.

reader, i'm done trying to

reader, i'm done trying to impress you. let me know the next time you're on mainstream media so I can record it and tell you how bad you did or what you COULD have done.

everyone else, thanks for constructive criticism. :D

>>or, hey, maybe we can

>>or, hey, maybe we can spend our time actually spreading the truth, instead of bitching on a website?

Strategizing about the best way to spread the truth is more important than most other things we can do right now.

Don't be offended by what people are saying. It isn't personal -- everyone knows you are doing your best and there are a ton of people who idolize you. People would idolize you even more if you showed a TON of maturity by handing a baton over to a scientist or researcher who has done a lot for 9/11 truth too, and said, 'I want him to have a chance to speak too.'

"Okay, now let's talk about

"Okay, now let's talk about how Europeans have been at the forefront of 9/11 truth, shall we, media gatekeepers for the Big Lie?"

Don't forget Canadians!

I know our country is only second-largest in the world (granted: most of it is ice) but we will not be silenced!

polls show that Canadians have been the MOST skeptical of the official story (except for the Islamic world, naturally) out of any other group!

Respect due!

also, i think it would be

also, i think it would be great if you took a que from Zwicker and did a segment on the media. thats one thing thats lacking from many 9/11 docs in my opinion. the average american, sadly, trusts the media. that needs to be changed.

"Chris: hey dylan, quick

"Chris: hey dylan, quick question, is Final Cut going to do a segment on the obviously inside job Anthrax attacks? it ties in with 9/11 and would make sense right? either way, keep up the great work."

yessir. Anthrax, Able Danger, Mineta, you name it. facts.

did you know Controlled Demolition was responsible for destroying Fort Detrick in December 2002?

http://www.dcmilitary.com/army/standard/9_02/features/27118-1.html
http://www.washingtontechnology.com/news/17_18/last-byte/19660-1.html

just interesting, that's all. i'm not saying it's proof of anything.

"also, i think it would be

"also, i think it would be great if you took a que from Zwicker and did a segment on the media. thats one thing thats lacking from many 9/11 docs in my opinion. the average american, sadly, trusts the media. that needs to be changed.
Chris | Homepage | 08.09.06 - 12:18 pm | # "

we are. it's called "Confrontations."

:D

Chris, A consistent

Chris,

A consistent message.. a consistent theme... how do you think Bush won in 2004? (Diebold excluded). Sorry, I LOVE LC2 and hope that LCE will be better. But with all political rallies (and this is political), you need a consistent theme (watch WTC 7) to get the American trailer trash a watchin'. Cuz a lot of Americans watch Fox News for their news.

Dylan, keep off the airwaves. Your productions are better than you adhoc voice. Keep it comparmentalized

You are what? 22?.. Nuff said.

i love Canada, i gotta go

i love Canada, i gotta go there someday. get some of that good weed,with your relaxed pot laws and shit.haha.

It's not about how good you

It's not about how good you were or could have been on NPR, it's about a strategy to reach thinking people. Ever wonder why we have NO structural engineers in the movement? Until we do, we have an uphill battle. And as long as the scientists are not in the limelight, other scientists are going to think that the 9/11 truth movement is a bunch of 20-somethings making films and being surprised about how people online got excited about them.

hell yeah dylan, sounds

hell yeah dylan, sounds good. im looking forward to Final Cut even more now.

Dylan... "reader, i'm done

Dylan...

"reader, i'm done trying to impress you. let me know the next time you're on mainstream media so I can record it and tell you how bad you did or what you COULD have done.

everyone else, thanks for constructive criticism. :D"

You are not ready for prime time yet. Hire a professional.

Hey Dylan, what's your

Hey Dylan, what's your opinion on the theory that the cell-phone calls (and even the "hijackers") were part of the drills? pre-recorded and sent out to family members? (explains the cut-and-paste nature of the calls).

Loved LC2!~

Timothy Naftali is a Jewish

Timothy Naftali is a Jewish American historian mildly critical of Israel's attackon Lebanon. He has a recent article on Huffington Post to that effect.

What percentage of the American population is Jewish?

I'm Scottish and it just seems to me when I watch American satellite news channels that there are an inordinate amount of Jewish voices.

I hope that cannot be construed as anti-semitic even by that guy Foxman.

Controlled Demolition inc.

Controlled Demolition inc. needs a huge fucking spotlight shown on it. more talented researches than myself need to dig into that company hardcore.

ah, ok. V and reader want

ah, ok. V and reader want me to stop doing appearances.

sorry, guys. they took a vote. no more media for the Loose Change crew.

dylan, do NOT keep off the

dylan, do NOT keep off the airwaves -- you're doing an excellent job -- and after seeing your posts above about what's coming in Final Cut, I'm psyched!!!

"You are not ready for prime

"You are not ready for prime time yet. Hire a professional.
V | 08.09.06 - 12:21 pm | "

waste of time, money and energy.

sorry, CK. reader and V are

sorry, CK. reader and V are the authority on this matter.

i'm just some stupid kid who gets on TV too much. :D

"Hey Dylan, what's your

"Hey Dylan, what's your opinion on the theory that the cell-phone calls (and even the "hijackers") were part of the drills? pre-recorded and sent out to family members? (explains the cut-and-paste nature of the calls).

Loved LC2!~
Danse | 08.09.06 - 12:21 pm | # "

I've learned to stay away from the phone calls. If I had to guess, that's definitely within the realm of possibility.

Some of these calls were left on voicemail, for example. Something happened to these people. The only question is what?

I obviously made a mistake speculating out loud in the 2nd edition, so i'm now trying to stick to as much fact as possible.

dylan -- don't pay any

dylan -- don't pay any attention to the naysayers -- you're film and your appearances are helping bring 9/11 truth to many millions who would otherwise never have questioned the government's conspiracy theory.

"You are not ready for prime

"You are not ready for prime time yet. Hire a professional."

C'mon guys, stop being such goddamn assholes and help spread the truth! It's very easy to sit on your behind and criticize others.

Statesman for

Statesman for 9/11:

Fetzer... out.. too Fat Bastardish.. and avoids WTC 7 for some reason. Can some 9/11 cosmetologist please clean this guy up? Really, do we need to see Elvis (sideburns( at his worst?

Dylan: he can produce and awesome video but doesn't convey the facts on which he reports (reads from a script).

V, cram it. Calling Fetzer

V, cram it. Calling Fetzer "Fat bastard" is highly disrespectful, no matter what your opinions on his appearances are.

I'm glad you're such a wholesome person you can sling insults from a computer screen.

Dylan, great job man I can't

Dylan, great job man I can't see what people are complaining about to be honest.

And allow me to take this

And allow me to take this opportunity to thank you, Dylan, for making the film that woke my parents up! It may not be perfect (what: we're all perfect now?) but it's jam-packed with hella good info and slickly rendered. Keep up the good work :)

Chris, I don't believe in

Chris, I don't believe in perfectionism, it's unreasonable. However, I do believe that speakers need to be prepared and present the strongest points that are easiest to prove. Avoid putting forth theories or speculation.

We just need to get people to understand that the OV is a fraud.

- Wargames and phantom flight 11
- Insider trading
- Hijackers trained at US military bases
- CIA and al Qaida
- No hard evidence, FBI
- PNAC
- FEMA arriving in NY night before for drill
- Scapped office responsible for hunting OBL
- WTC7
- WTC1 and 2 did not collapse. Just look at the photos and video. THEY WERE PULVERIZED!!!
- William Rodriquez and other eyewitness testimony
- Seigel video with bombs, and seismic readings
- WTC lobby damage
- Silverstein
- Northwoods
- Bush's security stripped (i.e. my pet goat reading)
- etc...

thanks Bruce Lee, and

thanks Bruce Lee, and everyone else.

btw, i'm not stopping anything. i want V and reader to be comfortable in their bubble of perfection, so I'm placating them.

"Fetzer... out.. too Fat

"Fetzer... out.. too Fat Bastardish.."

LOL. I'm sorry, currently watching "So I married an axe murderer" [for some reason] so had to laugh.

"I obviously made a mistake

"I obviously made a mistake speculating out loud in the 2nd edition, so i'm now trying to stick to as much fact as possible."

Great to hear this, Dylan.
There are so many, the ones Jon Gold uses often to remind to people too focused on the most controversial and huge questions, that dont allow people to connect the dots on the big picture.

"And allow me to take this

"And allow me to take this opportunity to thank you, Dylan, for making the film that woke my parents up! It may not be perfect (what: we're all perfect now?) but it's jam-packed with hella good info and slickly rendered. Keep up the good work
Danse | 08.09.06 - 12:30 pm | #"

not even the final cut will be perfect. but it'll be as close as we can get it.

remember guys...LC1 + 2 ... compaq presario, no budget, no resources.

Ditto. Dylan, you are the

Ditto.

Dylan, you are the man! A modern day Prophet!

Thank you, thank you for all you've done.

Keep it up.

Hey V...go blow your Dad.

Hey V...go blow your Dad.

Dylan, if you really wanted

Dylan, if you really wanted to... you could get LCE on limited screens in the U.S. for the Sept 11, 2001 five year anniversary. But, for you and your co. has it become "all about the money"? If so, good for you. If not.... what happens next?

Dylan, quick question dude.

Dylan, quick question dude. HowÂ’s the Thermate discovery going to factor into the Final Cut?

Eric H. touched upon

Eric H. touched upon Controlled Demolition in his video "Painful Questions"...

http://www.question911.com/links.php

Conspiracy Theory Rock
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1057391195915718366

V, this is my last reponse

V, this is my last reponse to you, before I go do something productive.

I owe you nothing. We cannot get the 2nd edition into theaters for 9-11, and we are not obligated to.

We have distributors locked and loaded for the Final Cut, and we have our foot in Sundance's door.

We're doing things at OUR pace, not yours. Capiche?

Now go do something. Get off the computer.

If anyone has the Alex Jones

If anyone has the Alex Jones interview with John Depetro on WRKO. It was on today (Augst 9 2006) at 9am.

PLEASE POST IT. I listen to this neocon joke everyday and some how I missed it today when Alex was on. So again please post this interview if you have it. Thanks

For those who have never

For those who have never seen this, a history lesson:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6638713703231012207

"Dylan, quick question dude.

"Dylan, quick question dude. HowÂ’s the Thermate discovery going to factor into the Final Cut?
Dem Bruce Lee Styles | Homepage | 08.09.06 - 12:33 pm |"

well, we already interviewed Dr. Jones, so we can't leave him out. ;)

as for how we address it, that's still up for debate. some people have claimed to "debunk" what he's said, and a colleague from BYU wrote this entire thesis, closing with "In my 52 years of engineering I've never seen anything so irresponsible" (not verbatim, paraphrasing)

but it's going in, regardless.

V, cram it. Calling Fetzer

V, cram it. Calling Fetzer "Fat bastard" is highly disrespectful, no matter what your opinions on his appearances are.

I'm glad you're such a wholesome person you can sling insults from a computer screen.

Dylan, care to "cram it" when talking to me face to face? I love your movie but don't ever fuck with my convictions.. You want to meet face to face? Bring it on...love the movie maker.. hate the person...

The Two Faces of George W

The Two Faces of George W Bush
http://earthhopenetwork.net/bush%20art/bush_two_faces_bin_laden.jpg

I think these comments deserve mentioning in LCFC.

just my $0.02

To be honest, I was a little

To be honest, I was a little sad to see the "flash" segment disappear, but I understand it's too controversial -- like the cell phone calls, for instance.

Any way you shake it, Dylan has done a great service for 911 truth; we all have our own theories about what happened, Mike Ruppert has apparently abandoned his quest in favor of peak oil, but we should welcome any and all contributions so long as they come from sane individuals in pursuit of the truth.

how can you hate someone

how can you hate someone youve never met? childish shit.........

"Conspiracy theories

"Conspiracy theories surrounding the events of Sept. 11 are
popping up on the Internet." Oh! realy? Where have you
been the last 5 years?

The 9/11 media is locked down by a mindset that permits only
pro-Israel involvement. A society whose citizens refuse to see
and investigate the facts, who refuse to believe that their
government and their media will routinely lie to them and
fabricate a reality contrary to verifiable facts, is a society that
chooses and deserves the Police State Dictatorship it's going to get.
How many excuses does the Zionist State need to continue killing?

http://www.zoa.org/

Some of these calls were

Some of these calls were left on voicemail, for example. Something happened to these people. The only question is what?

I know, Dylan. But we are going to have to delve into even this issue at some point.

V, please stay focused. The

V, please stay focused. The movement is much bigger & more important than any personality conflict you may have with Dylan or w/Fetzer's sense of style.

All right AmandaR, Bushies &

All right AmandaR, Bushies & Zionists are partners in crime. It's obvious. Let's bust 9/11 first, ok?

Dylan, Keep making movies

Dylan,

Keep making movies but keep off the airwaves.. LCE will make a difference. your out of the pocket 21 year old responses.. won't...... you sound like a .. teenaged looney!

I DO think that the "dancing

I DO think that the "dancing Israelis" should be mentioned, at least in passing; ditto for the agents "monitoring" Atta and co.: it proves foreknowledge by a major intell agency closely alligned with the US gov.

It seems plausible that the PNACs "contracted out" the nitty gritty to the Mossad;

Some people think "Israel did it"; in a way, this is probably correct, but we must not forget that wealth and power are the real culprits; frankly I don't see much difference between the Israeli and US govs, it's sort of like the Demorat and Repug parties.

Come-on, Betty Ong's call to

Come-on, Betty Ong's call to the "reservations desk" was absurd! And Kean only played 4 minutes of it & censored the other 20 minutes.

Hey everybody out there I

Hey everybody out there I just wanted to make a few points. First of all between the three of us we do around 5 to 15 interviews a day between tv,radio, and print. It would be foolish to turn these down, especially since all three of us are very well versed in 9/11. We are young and bound to make mistakes, however we all see the need for perfection and work harder towards that goal everyday. CAN YOU IMAGINE HOW HARD IT IS DEALING WITH ALL THIS MEDIA WHILE STILL TRYING TO CREATE THE MOST CONCISE 9/11 PICTURE EVER?

Secondly we ALWAYS mention the scholars or Stephen Jones and others like him in order to draw attention to the numerous scientific papers out there disproving the official version. The video evidence of squibs and people reporting explosions however does a far better job (and a quicker one might I add) of convincing people of the controlled demolition. So in our eyes it would be utterly foolish not to promote our film first and foremost due to its wide and FREE availability everywhere.

Third to those who think I looked like a thug on MSNBC, I will say this. I take this shit seriously, as serious as a fuckin heartattack because this country has had several MASSIVE corinaries and is on its last legs. It disgusts me when I see these media figures laughing or smirking when addressing the most serious issue of our lifetimes. I never want to crack a smile when being attacked by some piece of trash that is betraying his country and humanity itself by trivalizing the matter. I hope you note though that I did not yell I kept my cool pretty well and addressed serious issues in four minutes eighteen seconds.

Peace to all those in the movement that know we are doing the right thing and continue to push forward, see you at Ground Zero on Monday morning.

fuck them Bermas, you didnt

fuck them Bermas, you didnt look like a thug, the t-shirt was appropriate. you did a great job with that tool Smerconish.

"It seems plausible that the

"It seems plausible that the PNACs "contracted out" the nitty gritty to the Mossad"

That might also explain why the "phone calls" are worded so shittily. English is not the first language of many Mossad. Also, you need some very heartless agents to load office buildings with explosives.

Jason, I thought you did an

Jason, I thought you did an excellent job on the corporate media;

one can ALWAYS "do better".

suffice it to say that the vast majority appreciate your efforts.

Dylan, I've heard that WTC 7

Dylan,

I've heard that WTC 7 will feature more prominently in the final cut than in the previous versions. I really hope this is true, because it's one of the weakest links in the official story.

Just in case you missed it, here's the best video of its collapse in high resolution:

http://www.knowordie.co.uk/WTC7.avi

>The Two Faces of George W

>The Two Faces of George W Bush
>http://earthhopenetwork.net/ >bush...s_bin_laden.jpg

What Bush says seems to have no value at all. Wait some months and he speaks different again. While other leaders are famous for immortal words like MLK's "i have a dream" speech, W.Bush will be remembered for saying "We must never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories, that shift the blame away from the guilty". - This phrase should really get a monument.

i like all of the lc2 crew

i like all of the lc2 crew and think that theyre doing a hell of a good job!!!!!

v, you need to stfu and do something!!!! quit being a little bitch!!!

how old are you?? you act like youre 12 on the net...

"I've heard that WTC 7 will

"I've heard that WTC 7 will feature more prominently in the final cut than in the previous versions. I really hope this is true, because it's one of the weakest links in the official story."

indeed. and ditto for the war games. The war games cause MAJOR COGNITIVE DISSONANCE amongst "true believers" in the official story.

The same scenario at the same time?

You gotta be fucking kidding me.

World Trade Center is out,

well, we already interviewed

well, we already interviewed Dr. Jones, so we can't leave him out.

as for how we address it, that's still up for debate. some people have claimed to "debunk" what he's said, and a colleague from BYU wrote this entire thesis, closing with "In my 52 years of engineering I've never seen anything so irresponsible" (not verbatim, paraphrasing)

but it's going in, regardless.
dylan | Homepage | 08.09.06 - 12:37 pm | #

Cool, I can understand how it must be because weÂ’re all waiting for those results. And until then you can't really finish a segment on it, because you still need all the info.

But yea aside from that I think one thing you could do is really show building 7 to people. See if you can come up with a way to show the footage. E.g. I donÂ’t know if you've check this yet from Italian TV;

http://www.911podcasts.com/display.php?cat=9997&med=0&ord=Name&strt=30&v...

^But the way they compare WTC7 side by side with a known demolition is stunning. Also though JonÂ’s totally right with what he's getting at here;

http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11931

There just needs to be a more healthy balance I believe between the physical evidence, and the circumstantial facts.

Bush will be remembered for

Bush will be remembered for saying "We must never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories, that shift the blame away from the guilty". - This phrase should really get a monument.
Greg | Homepage | 08.09.06 - 12:54 pm | #

true dat!!!!

Chris, I appreciate your

Chris,

I appreciate your zealism. its great but you really need to do your homework on world affairs.. I give you credit though.. Good job!

That guy doing the

That guy doing the "counterpoint" argument was a man named Timothy Naptali, employed by an organization called the "Miller Center". The "Miller Center" is a northern Virginia "think tank" (read privatized, facist, shadow government, dictatorial asshole organization), run by Philip Zelikow, the Executive Director of the 9-11 Commission.

Maybe he should have disclosed that, no?

Chris needs to find a

Chris needs to find a girl/he wench to consume some of his issues on here.

Me thinking guy....

Some of these calls were

Some of these calls were left on voicemail, for example. Something happened to these people. The only question is what?

I think the media are going to continuing asking the LC guys "then what happeded to the passengers"? If you don't have some kind of response, most viewers will think you are stuck.

BTW, WTF did happen to the passengers? It is an obvious question that needs to be addressed.

>We just need to get people

>We just need to get people to >understand that the OV is a fraud.

We all ourselves made the transition to being a 9/11 skeptic. Face it, except for Alex Jones, everybody bought the official version for at least 1/2 year before any doubt appeared.
To me it seems those that 1. are told of the evidence (esp. WTC7) and 2. are denying it to be true, are having psychological boundaries such as
- having supported Bush
- being a die-hard Republican
- fear of a stock market crash (= conserving their wealth, e.g. Bill Gates etc.)

V, you angry little boy, i

V, you angry little boy, i think you need to find a job, you come off as an immature ass with no people skills.

Chris is a great guy. I know

Chris is a great guy. I know him from college.... He loves life and loves his men. so what? He is gay as a lot of people on here.

Chris had a "flirt" on Clinton.. that is a fact!

Jason Bermas did look a bit

Jason Bermas did look a bit tough but he did a good job of getting in what he could within the parameters allowed.
Now with things heating up a bit lately what I want to know is somebody in heirachy of the 911 movement, Morgan REynolds for instance cooking up a debate in front of the NATIONAL PRESS CLUB a "no planes" debate. ???
Perhaps it is just a ploy to get in front of the NTIONAL PRESS CLUB, this could be big and Morgan is as good as anybody but it's such a dumb topic but if that's what it takes to get in front of the NATIONAL PRESS CLUB I say do it but there has to be some way to frame the debate differently. Any news or information on this "RUMOR" of a debate at the NATIONAL PRESS CLUB?????
Tell me there's something going on. Any body heard anything??????

V, stop instigating b.s.

V, stop instigating b.s. here.

you challenged dylan to a

you challenged dylan to a fight and said you hated him as a person. these are not the actions of a mature, rational person. how old are you asshole?

How about a new CIA cartoon:

How about a new CIA cartoon: "We must never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories, that shift the blame away from the patsy"

Chris had a "flirt" on

Chris had a "flirt" on Clinton.. that is a fact!
Susan | 08.09.06 - 1:06 pm | #
excuse me? what the fuck is that supposed to mean and who the fuck are you to be saying anything about me?

Chris.. debate me.. on any

Chris.. debate me.. on any issue you choose... My opinion... you are a liberal with a major chip on your shoulder... If you want me to kick it off.. get in line.

Chris(this Chris at least),

Chris(this Chris at least), is not gay and almost never says anything nice about Bill Clinton.for the most part, he was just another puppet, albeit a less damaging one.

"BTW, WTF did happen to the

"BTW, WTF did happen to the passengers?"

That's a very interesting question, for which we have no answers.

The proper response is: "I don't know, as the gov".

Speculating, I'd say some sort of gas, either within the plane (a la "ghost passengers") or, more plausibly, in some sort of warehouse or bunker.

There's also the possibility that SOME of the "victims" are fake, a la Northwoods. I know, very controversial, but a possibility.

V and Reader are obviously

V and Reader are obviously tag teaming provocateurs/disinfo agents. Probably the same person. Their constant attacks on Dylan, and now on other leaders in the movement, are indications that their IP addresses should be banned.

and your a sheep-like

and your a sheep-like conservative cunt rag with a chip on hers. we all have anger issues right? who are you and why do you pretend to know me you immature little whore?

What does Chris being gay or

What does Chris being gay or not have to do with 9/11 being an inside job? What's wrong with you?

Jason Bermas and Dylan,

Jason Bermas and Dylan, great job guys on the recent interviews, I know some people get nit-picky, but a lot of it just comes from this issue being so emotional to everyone, people are anxious for the truth to come out, because like you said, this country is struggling right now as a Constitutional republic. And I think people sometimes just take that frustration out on those of you who are in front of the cameras right now.

im not gay, Susan is a

im not gay, Susan is a shill(seems to be a new one) thats trying to start a fight. i have no problem with gay people, and im liberal on most issues so i guess she sees this as a good tactic to instigate. sorry, but im just not that offended by some cunt calling me gay on the internet. besides, its usually the people that fling the gay accusations that turn out to be the least sucure in their sexuality. something we should know about you Susan? are you a lipstick lesbian or are you the man in the relationship?

"Conspiracy theories popping

"Conspiracy theories popping up"!!

No fucking shit.

Five minutes after I saw the wobbly black spot hit the South Tower I was on the "net".

5 Years later....idiots

>"BTW, WTF did happen to the

>"BTW, WTF did happen to the >passengers?"

The problem is that the media never investigated that lead. The investigations that have been done by 9/11 truthers have only confirmed that the passengers were tampered with:
- the cell phone calls, especially from Flight 77 Neocon Barbara Olson that weren't possible
- Flight 93 passenger Mark Bingham making a "hi Mom" phonecall, while close to death, and a website being put up to remember him on 9/11/2001, before the dust hat settled
- Ellen Mariani, widow of Flight175 passenger, was not able to find any other family members connected to Flight175 'deaths'
- the alleged passengers are not in the social security death register
- and on and on...

Cui bono? WTC (11mins) The

Cui bono? WTC (11mins) The short film i put together I know for a fact helped sell more LC2 and Martial Law DVDs. I'm going to hand many more out at WTC screenings locally. Trying to put together the funds to be there at ground zero on the anniversary. 9/11 truth is on the offensive! Cheers to that! www.erratikproductions.com

im not gay, Susan is a

im not gay, Susan is a shill(seems to be a new one) thats trying to start a fight. i have no problem with gay people, and im liberal on most issues so i guess she sees this as a good tactic to instigate. sorry, but im just not that offended by some cunt calling me gay on the internet. besides, its usually the people that fling the gay accusations that turn out to be the least sucure in their sexuality. something we should know about you Susan? are you a lipstick lesbian or are you the man in the relationship?

Sounds like you are gay... If you cannot admit to that you are pretty much not an advocate for 9/11... Sorry!!!

How much money would it take

How much money would it take to make a couple hundred unknown, non-famous people disappear?

The world is a pretty big place, and most people aren't recognizable.

Just my $0.02

The Betty Ong phone call was

The Betty Ong phone call was recorded in the course of a hijacking drill. That's why she sounds so calm. I'm a former Air Force aircraft mechanic, and I can tell you for a fact that not only can we sound reasonably calm during a real emergency, but we can be totally calm and cool when we know it's an exercise.

Maybe your mass media will

Maybe your mass media will play the same 'game' as our media did a couple of years ago.
Our mass media 'destroyed' conspiracy theorists on purpose with clearly unfair methods.
They probably are not the brightest of people and made some obvious mistakes, too.

I'll be at GZ late Sunday

I'll be at GZ late Sunday night and will probably just stay up the whole night into Monday.

Jennifer, who the fuck are

Jennifer, who the fuck are you and how would you know anyting about me, let alone if im gay or not? like i said, the one who are the most insecure about their sexuality are the ones that make an issue out of being gay or not. persoanlly, im not, but you seem to be. so i ask, are you the man in the relationship? are you the butch one or the feminine one? or does your girlfriend look butch too?

>Sounds like you are gay...

>Sounds like you are gay... If you >cannot admit to that you are pretty >much not an advocate for 9/11... >Sorry!!!
>Jennifer | 08.09.06 - 1:20 pm | #

A true fact is true independent of who tells it! I mentioned that recently about a quote from Adolph Hitler: "they more readily fall victims to The Big Lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods" - surely nobody here would like him more as president than Bush, but what he wrote back then is the sad truth about the 9/11-lie.

Chris is SO Gay that I am

Chris is SO Gay that I am surprised he is not announcing it..

BTW.. Dylan from Loose Change fame is gay too.. I know. the hard way if you know what I mean.

Jason and Dylan, You're

Jason and Dylan,

You're doing a great job. You are a credit to your country.

I have noticed, however, that many of the interviewers you face use the same tactic: They go right to the issue of "what hit the Pentagon," and then immediately to the question, "Then where are the passengers?" You're probably sick of answering such a hypothetical. My advice would be to redirect their question and avoid the problem of "where are the passengers."

Just say something like, "We find the existence of multiple wargames exercises on the morning of 9/11, exercises that simulated exactly what happened, to be a more serious indication of government complicity."

Remember: Answer the question you wish they had asked. Make the interview into whatever you want it to be.

Keep up the excellent work, guys. You've put your asses on the line like no one else in this forum.

Chris is SO Gay that I am

Chris is SO Gay that I am surprised he is not announcing it..

BTW.. Dylan from Loose Change fame is gay too.. I know. the hard way if you know what I mean.
Jennifer | 08.09.06 - 1:24 pm | #
have fun while you still can.i have a feeling your not gonna last very long. childish bitch.

V and Reader are obviously

V and Reader are obviously tag teaming provocateurs/disinfo agents. Probably the same person. Their constant attacks on Dylan, and now on other leaders in the movement, are indications that their IP addresses should be banned.
Mike in Spokane.... | 08.09.06 - 1:09 pm | #

I second that. And, I'll recommend Susan for the boot as well. What a waste of time these people are.

"Dylan, I've heard that WTC

"Dylan,

I've heard that WTC 7 will feature more prominently in the final cut than in the previous versions. I really hope this is true, because it's one of the weakest links in the official story.

Just in case you missed it, here's the best video of its collapse in high resolution:

http://www.knowordie.co.uk/WTC7.avi
Vesa | 08.09.06 - 12:54 pm | #"

sure thing, here's a tiny taste.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1840058038507754977

watch through barrie zwicker to the "credits"...an explosion on the 8th floor of WTC7.

V.

V.

dylan was so nice but liked

dylan was so nice but liked the guys!!!

Now it looks like V and

Now it looks like V and Reader have morphed into Susan and Jennifer!

Don't feed the trolls - er, provocateurs. These comment boards have value, until we argue or exchange insults with provocateurs.

Pam, Susan, Jennifer =

Pam, Susan, Jennifer = buttboys Terrance and S. King. SBG, out these Reston disinfo kkklowns...

>How much money would it

>How much money would it take to make >a couple hundred unknown, non-famous >people disappear?

Yes, and i won't believe for a second these "incompetence" excuses: The CIA, with it's billions of budget dollars does have standard procedures to let people "disappear", either by new IDs, by assassination or maybe 'magic' - rest assured.

[sarcasm] inside infighting

[sarcasm]
inside infighting and nothingtalk more fun than activism?
[/sarcasm]

Pam, Susan, Jennifer =

Pam, Susan, Jennifer = buttboys Terrance and S. King. SBG, out these Reston disinfo kkklowns...
Anonymous | 08.09.06 - 1:28 pm | #
no, this one is even more immature and childish than them. i think its V personally.

Dylan and Jason: Please tell

Dylan and Jason:

Please tell me you are going to interview Eric Hufschmid for the Final Edition.

The John Stadtmiller + Eric Hufschmid + Dylan / Jason 2 hour interview was some of the funniest stuff I have ever heard on radio. Once yall phoned in, and Eric started going into full-on Hufschmid meltdown, I was laughing so hard I was crying. It was like the 9/11 Truth version of a scene from Spinal Tap.

--

But on a serious note- as long as you are reading this thread- I had a suggestion with respect to Loose Change Final Edition.

One of the helpful features of well-written academic papers is the footnotes/index of references. It would be really cool to use the subtitle track in your DVD authoring program to lay down your references for your footage/news stories/quotes actually as embedded subtitles. That way, the more serious viewers of Loose Change- the skeptics or journalists or whatever - could turn on subtitles and see that you're very often using mainstream news articles as your source. People would be able to follow-up on your references, and that would make it harder for the skeptics to dismiss out-of-hat some of the more difficult (yet verifiable) claims of the film.

It would be a pain- definitely- but I do think it would make it even more difficult for the average viewer to dismiss.

For whatever that's worth.

only a rightwing retard

only a rightwing retard would come on here calling people gay.. give me a break!!!!

like it matters if someone is gay... HAHAHHA!!!!

Spoken like a true

Spoken like a true homo:

Jennifer, who the fuck are you and how would you know anyting about me, let alone if im gay or not? like i said, the one who are the most insecure about their sexuality are the ones that make an issue out of being gay or not. persoanlly, im not, but you seem to be. so i ask, are you the man in the relationship? are you the butch one or the feminine one? or does your girlfriend look butch too?

the guy challenged dylan to

the guy challenged dylan to a fight earlier, he was going on about how Fetzer is a fat bastard and how dylan needs to go away, he started making "your gay" type comments when he was still in his V persona.he seems like an angry little homophobic self hating homosexual teenager with too much time on his hands.

Jason Bermas -- you did a

Jason Bermas -- you did a GREAT job. And, it's great to see your posting here. The vast majority of the truth movement is behind you 100%. Glad to see how resilient you are to the naysayers -- it's gotta take a thick skin to be under attack. Kudos to you, Dylan, and Korey.

and, btw, if you girls

and, btw, if you girls (Susan and Jennifer) wanna pick on a gay guy, here I am -- out and proud too. None of this "admit" crap -- those of us who are openly gay don't ADMIT anything -- we're not GUILTY, you idiots. I ACKNOWLEDGE that I'm gay. Now, get a life... become a fag hag or get a boyfriend. Jeezus.

The best video compilation I

The best video compilation I have seen to show newbies is here:

http://www.tyrannyalert.com/video.htm

They also have a great 23 page PDF to accompany it.

http://www.tyrannyalert.com/9-11%20fairy%20tale.pdf

What a shame so much time

What a shame so much time and energy is wasted on this nitpicking when you could all be doing something more effective.

I have passed out THOUSANDS of copies of LC2E and know for a fact I have helped to awaken HUNDREDS of people in my SPARE time. I don't have an online persona, nor am I "public" about it, I am another nameless, faceless nobody like that big crowd at the end of V is for Vendetta, but I do what I can with what time and money I can spare because it's my duty as an American citizen.

Dylan may or may not be perfect, ditto his film, but he works at it and it works so until you've got something better or more effective, you ought to STFU and get busy, V.

Gotta run, people to awaken.

i would say that all of the

i would say that all of the real 911 truth movemnet is behind the lc2 crew 100%!!!!!

the guy challenged dylan to

the guy challenged dylan to a fight earlier, he was going on about how Fetzer is a fat bastard and how dylan needs to go away, he started making "your gay" type comments when he was still in his V persona.he seems like an angry little homophobic self hating homosexual teenager with too much time on his hands.
Chris | Homepage | 08.09.06 - 1:30 pm | #

Yes, either that or a Raytheon employee!

and, btw, if you girls

and, btw, if you girls (Susan and Jennifer) wanna pick on a gay guy, here I am -- out and proud too. None of this "admit" crap -- those of us who are openly gay don't ADMIT anything -- we're not GUILTY, you idiots. I ACKNOWLEDGE that I'm gay. Now, get a life... become a fag hag or get a boyfriend. Jeezus.
CK | Homepage | 08.09.06 - 1:33 pm | #

HAHHAHA!!!! nice!!!!

thats why we love CK!!!! you rock!!!

sorry to engage with the

sorry to engage with the shills.... now back to why we're all here!

Jason, Dylan and all the

Jason, Dylan and all the level headed members of this board: Ignore the trolls and idiots. I truly believe that any mainstream attention is better than the alternative. Sure, there may be some unknowing viewer who will focus in on some stupidity or something they think is kooky, and tune out on the whole matter. But there will be plenty of others who might get a spark in their brain. They may not realize it when they first see the information, but it will hit them later. And the more ordinary people are thinking and talking about this, the better off we will all be.

Take care.

the guy challenged dylan to

the guy challenged dylan to a fight earlier, he was going on about how Fetzer is a fat bastard and how dylan needs to go away, he started making "your gay" type comments when he was still in his V persona.he seems like an angry little homophobic self hating homosexual teenager with too much time on his hands.

Chris... you are a great teenaged American full of vim and vigor. So let's keep the adult fight between us adults.... But keep it going! We neeed the teenagers to joing in the fight. BUt gather your facts (and your tiny balls then you can join the next fight_)

Sincerely,

V... and those people that have already fought the fight.. not guys htat just started having hair grow on their balls... no offense}

Say what you want about

Say what you want about Dylan and friends, but LC2 has done more for the 9/11 truth movement than all other 9/11 videos combined.

hehe, thanks inside

hehe, thanks inside

I have only said good abouot

I have only said good abouot Dylan and friends...

Kurt, eat a fat one you self

Kurt, eat a fat one you self hating little bitch.

by the way, im 23 you

by the way, im 23 you fucking moron.

Chris .. you ever had

Chris .. you ever had rockets firing against you?

V, are you Susan and

V, are you Susan and Jenifer?and Kurt? you little bitch,pick a name.......

hurry up and get your

hurry up and get your childish digs in, you'll be gone soon.

can I suggest that we all

can I suggest that we all stop feeding the trolls? they're obviously very hungry today

yeah, good idea.

yeah, good idea.

WHOA WHOA WHOA!! CALM DOWN

WHOA WHOA WHOA!! CALM DOWN PEOPLE. Why are we attacking each other? this is RIDICULOUS!!!

Chris, ignore them..that would show your level of maturity. V, Susan, provide some links, or hand out some flyers at a WTC screening, or at least argue with "coincident theorist" on other boards

Chris... let me guess.. you

Chris... let me guess.. you are one of those enlightened ones that have never been in war... I.e. Cheney, Bush, Wolfowitz, Pearle... It is not fun being bombarded with bombs from the enemy.

I KNOW 9/11 was an inside job. But you herald it like "YOU KNOW". Well you don't know my 20 year old virgin. Go enist and see what is like on the other side.. coward!

waaaaahhhhh. cry about it

waaaaahhhhh. cry about it Kurt, you little fucking bitch. YOU KNOW 9/11 was an inside job, but i dont? because you've been in war and i havent? like i said V, pick ONE NAME and stick to it you jackass.

you are way out of line

you are way out of line kurt!!!!!! i dont care how much war youve seen, its doesnt mean that you know shit....

maybe it means that youre more brainwashed then others.. i dont know...

hint -- new thread available

hint -- new thread available -- let's go there and PROMISE not to pay attention to these trolls

chris, dont let this asshole

chris, dont let this asshole get to you... HAHAH!!! its too funny to get mad...

Can IP addresses be banned

Can IP addresses be banned here? All of this insult crap is just a waste of time.

There were some excellent

There were some excellent posts at the beginning of this thread^. Don't keep falling for these obvious agent-provocateur tactics to disrupt threads.

how ablut i go do some

how ablut i go do some work....

when this is all over we should get paid for our time.. lol

Hopefully, these are just

Hopefully, these are just annoying kids and not true COINTELPRO-type agents...

Dylan, good to hear, and

Dylan,

good to hear, and thanks for the link!

Just in case it is of any help, here are the fruits of my own work on WTC 7:

http://11syyskuu.blogspot.com/2006/02/destruction-of-wtc-7.html

The most important finding (arrived at through measurements and calculations) is that during the early phases of its collapse, the building fell at about the speed of free fall, ie practically without structural resistance. Ie, the analysis corroborates that presented in "9-11 Eyewitness".

And here is the WTC 7 analysis by a Finnish Doctor of Engineering, who works as an accident researcher:

http://www.saunalahti.fi/wtc2001/WTC7_collapse_examination.pdf

9/11 truth is (or should not

9/11 truth is (or should not be) about "anti-war". We don't have to agree on everything. Take Paul C. Roberts, he and many other "Reagan"-Republicans have distanced themselves massively from the neocons, and blame them for destroying the US. Liberals will disagree with those on many issues, but what we need is to unite on the issue on 9/11, to put other fights aside.

Ohh, and "digg up" the good

Ohh, and "digg up" the good 9/11 truth comments, prevent them from being buried!

Oops, sorry, posted in the

Oops, sorry, posted in the wrong place.

It's definitely time to

It's definitely time to require registration to make comments, and ban idotic fighters who contribute nothing to the effort.

im sorry for engaging with

im sorry for engaging with the trolls, but this is the first time they came at me directly so hard. im not gonna sit here and let people slander me.

TONS OF PEOPLE IN THERE WE

WTF is going on here

WTF is going on here today?!

This is a particularly bizarre troll eruption, but it is also so incredibly transparent that it should be easy to defuse, no?

Dylan (or anyone else), When

Dylan (or anyone else),

When date is LC Final Cut targeted for release currently?

Can't wait.

Keep up the good work, Dylan, Jason, et al.

^...that should have been

^...that should have been "What date is LC Final Cut targeted for release?"

Kurt, V, Pam and Susan have

Kurt, V, Pam and Susan have all been banned.

HINT: I only had to block one IP.

(Chris, don't drop down to their level, they'll beat you with experience every time.)

Jennifer, however, was a

Jennifer, however, was a real second party.

NOT!

Very funny, Mr. reprehsor!

Very funny, Mr. reprehsor! Good work too.

I wonder where that IP

I wonder where that IP address goes to? Hmmm.

nothing concrete yet. every

nothing concrete yet. every time we give people dates we don't make the deadline.

sundance is pretty much a go from what I can see, though...

you're all gay fudgies the

you're all gay

fudgies the lot.

*kidding, but who cares at this point?

And why the animosity toward gays?

Oh....right. That line in the Bible. What about the other stuff? as in "love neighbors" etc.

*Not gay in Canada.

*proudly anti-gay since 2006

*proudly anti-gay since 2006

Kurt, V, Pam and Susan have

Kurt, V, Pam and Susan have all been banned.

HINT: I only had to block one IP.

(Chris, don't drop down to their level, they'll beat you with experience every time.)
reprehensor | Homepage | 08.09.06 - 2:24 pm | #
understood, but do you expect me to be completely silent while they/he slanders me?

Thanks Reprehensor! Nice

Thanks Reprehensor! Nice move.

>>V and Reader are obviously

>>V and Reader are obviously tag teaming provocateurs/disinfo agents. Probably the same person.

Actually I'm my own person and I've been working on 9/11 truth for years. 'Mike in Spokane' promotes no plane theories so he automatically believes that anyone who speaks out or gives honest critique of a film promoting his theories is a threat and therefore must be an agent.

Laughable how terrified everyone on here is to have ANY critique at all of their heroes. That's how movements get destroyed. That's how fascism works -- no one speaks out or they are labelled a 'disinfo agent.'

Really pathetic. And these are the people who want to kick BUSH out??? They are behaving the same way. "You're either with us or you're a ---" agent, in this case.

The gay comments are obvious and I can't even believe anyone is bothering to respond to them in lengthy screaming monologues. It just shows how naiive and defensive most are on here, frantic to protect their icons and their film no matter what it says.

When you stop making the filmmakers into icons, you will help the whole movement to be more healthy.

Here is what this country is

Here is what this country is up against.........

September 11 -- what year? 30 percent of Americans don't know Wed Aug 9, 10:53 AM ET

WASHINGTON (AFP) - Some 30 percent of Americans cannot say in what year the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks against New York's World Trade Center and the Pentagon in Washington took place, according to a poll published in the Washington Post newspaper.

While the country is preparing to commemorate the fifth anniversary of the attacks that claimed nearly 3,000 lives and shocked the world, 95 percent of Americans questioned in the poll were able to remember the month and the day of the attacks, according to Wednesday's edition of the newspaper.

But when asked what year, 30 percent could not give a correct answer.

Of that group, six percent gave an earlier year, eight percent gave a later year, and 16 percent admitted they had no idea whatsoever.

This memory black hole is essentially the problem of the older crowd: 48 percent of those who did not know were between the ages of 55 and 64, and 47 percent were older than 65, according to the poll.

The Post telephone survey was carried out July 21-24 among 1,002 randomly selected adults. The margin of error is plus or minus three percentage points.

Bravo and a big Kudos to the

Bravo and a big Kudos to the makers of these great "docs". They convinced my dad and my mom that something was very wrong with the official story, (and before my mom saw it, it was very, very difficult to convince her, and she only got to see a ten minute clip of LC). I am wondering why I don't hear more people talk about the fact that the "bomb-sniffing dogs were called off a week before 9/11 from the towers"??? Combined with all the other facts concerning the CD of the towers, I think this item (the bomb sniffing dogs being called off) is a VERY IMPORTANT detail. I am from Canada and would like to see more conferenes and symposiums here, (I am not sure if there have been any)? Also, to refresh my memory, which one was flight 175? That is very interesting about the woman that can't find any other families with relatives on that flight!!! Hmmmm.....

Whoops, (should have done a

Whoops, (should have done a spell check)meant "conferences" on 9/11. I know there is a 1/2 day conference coming up in Winnipeg,but that is way too far to travel for just a 1/2 day conference. I am fairly close to Vancouver. Also, I think it is fantastic Dylan, that u are giving away 100,000 dvd's of LC2 to people at ground zero, u guys are awesome!! Don't worry about the critics, the main thing is getting the truth out to the misinformed masses!!!!

ok, here we go: Dylan, you

ok, here we go:

Dylan, you are crazy

you asked for it.

Honestly, it takes a deranged person to go to THAT depth.

Go with Chomsky, mate.

It is essentially a MAGNITUDE problem.

one person throwing away a coke can into a national park is not a problem.

The other guy (a german) who tells you that this coke can is a problem, lives in a country where they have 25 nuclear power plants and 50 million cars.

To put it into yet other words:

3000 people got killed by your white-arse WASP fuckwards.

How about the ... (lets get the number right) .. the

http://members.aol.com/Bblum6/American_holocaust.htm

150 millions people, that we have killed?

oh I forgot. well, thats why

oh I forgot.

well, thats why you are crazy.

You focus on 3000.

You are not unique. There is safety in numbers. But I recommend you read a bit more chomsky.

COMMON SENSE you have, but "they" try to beat it out of you.

I like to listen to ALEX CAREY http://www.tucradio.org/
when this mood hits me.

Chosmky ignores 9/11. please

Chosmky ignores 9/11. please stop whoring his name around here, you little groupie.

You try to offend, like a

You try to offend, like a little kid, haha.

Chomsky does not ignore 911..
He just is deliberately not focussing on it. Who know what is smarter.

We can't say that the 911truth movement has achieved anything, can we?

excuses excuses, you never

excuses excuses, you never stop making excuses for your impotent hero. hes a coward. deal with it groupie.

We can't say that the

We can't say that the 911truth movement has achieved anything, can we?
u2r2h | Homepage | 08.10.06 - 7:10 pm | #
with influential people like Chomsky on the sidelines, it becomes a bit harder. your boy is a part of the problem, not the solution anymore.