Didn't get my comment up, even with a 9/11 truther story I was still censored. Arianna get your head out of the sand. The Puffington Host is just on online version of the MSM.

...they won't let you leave a message for her but just bombard them with phone calls telling them they are the crazies for ignoring all the evidence.

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"Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. Whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government." -The Declaration of Independence

First of all... a definition of "veal pen" from urban dictionary so I can appropriately not post more than a couple of paras from Jane Hamsher FDL post

1. veal pen

the veal pen is an individual's cube in the feed lot that is corporate america. the unsuspecting worker occupying the cube is kept in the dark and restrained to keep him or her tender until he or she is butchered

"jonesy is stuck in the veal pen until he closes the krupke deal. after that, he's headed to the slaughterhouse"

now, from Fire Dog Lake...

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"Van Jones: A Moment of Truth For Liberal Institutions in the Veal Pen
By: Jane Hamsher Sunday September 6, 2009 11:24 am

I first met Van Jones when he was honored last year by the Campaign for America's Future at their gala dinner. He was being swarmed by all of the liberal institutional elite, who just could not be more full of praise for the impressive environmental leader and prison reform organizer. Everybody wanted Van Jones on their board. Everyone wanted him at their fundraisers. Everyone wanted a piece of his formidable limelight.

Now he's been thrown under the bus by the White House for signing his name to a petition expressing something that 35% of all Democrats believed as of 2007 -- that George Bush knew in advance about the attacks of 9/11. Well, that and calling Republicans "assholes." I'm pretty sure that if you search through the histories of every single liberal leader at the CAF dinner that night, they have publicly said that and worse...."

"....If there is going to be a serious progressive movement in this country capable of standing up for health care against an industry that spends $1.4 million a day on lobbying, we can't just look to the members of the Progressive Caucus and say "hey, you, get something done." They need cover. They need to know that they will be supported. And people like Van Jones who have given their lives to causes we say we value like prison reform and environmental advocacy need to know that they will be defended, and not handed over to Glenn Beck as an acceptable casualty in the battle for K-Street dollars.

So to all you liberal organizations in the "veal pen" -- this is your moment of truth. I get all your emails. And the next Common Purpose meeting is probably on Tuesday. If you can't get it together to at least put out a statement of support for Van Jones and condemn the White House for using him as a sacrificial lamb to right wing extremists that will devour us all if left unchecked, it's time to add "proudly liberal only when it doesn't matter" to your logo and be done with it...."

http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/09/06/van-jones-a-moment-of-tru...
PLEASE, PLEASE go to Fire Dog Lake to read Jane Hamsher post...

I found this via Brad Blog. His reccomendation got me there.
I
posted a comment on the thread at FDL, introduced myself... said "Hi I'm Adam (Adam503 there, Adam1 was taken on Twitter) and I'll be your 9/11 Truther this evening"

-Brought the subject of a truce between various Progressive schools of thought in regards how we react to controversial opinions
-Brought up Richard Gage speaking at the Commonwealth Club tonight (great timing!)

It's comment 203 on the thread I posted the link to...no big response from people there, but nobody has banned my account after I posted all the details of Richard Gage's speech tonight to the Commonwealth Club either.

I'd really like to see this truce happen with Progressives.

She said,

More full disclosure: I despise 9/11 "truther" conspiracies.

Please fix this.

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Maybe Arianna Should go out on a date with Markos Moulitsas. God made the two for each other.

Arianna Huffington: A new job for We Are Change?

WACNY to Karl Rove: "You are a traitor to this nation, and you will go down for war crimes! You are an evil man! You are an eeeevil, eeeevil, eeeeeeeevil maaaaaaaannnnnn!"
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Incredibly, they think this statement by Jones on September 13, 2001 is Jones saying America "deserved" 9/11:

"The bombs the government drops in Iraq are the bombs that blew up in New York City. The US cannot bomb its way out of this one. Safety at home requires justice abroad."

Even though the connection between Iraq and 9/11 is (we know now) spurious, the connection of wayward foreign policy and the attacks of 9/11 (as they were understood at the time) is perfectly reasonable.

Jones was not saying America "deserved" 9/11. He was saying you can't commit war crimes abroad and expect the victims never to retaliate.

This article implies a bait and switch by 911Truth.org. However, it's still not clear to me if the signers of the petition all had visible, obvious copies of the final verbiage, accessible to them, before they signed. Anybody know what the exact details are? E.g., were the signers approached with an email or with a physical letter? Did this email or letter have a link to a web page, where the signers could input their information? If so, did that web page have not just the 4 demands mentioned by Lerner and Zinn, below, but also the questions as well as the most controversial part, viz. " which calls for immediate public attention to unanswered questions that suggest that people within the current administration may indeed have deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen, perhaps as a pretext for war."

Rabbi Michael Lerner:

I was asked to sign a letter which I was told had four demands:
As Americans of conscience, we ask for four things:

1. An immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer
2. Immediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.
3. Media attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.
4. The formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry.

I did not authorize my name to be used for all the other stuff that I now see was included surrounding the letter, namely the sponsors of that 911truth.org, and would not have had I been aware that all that stuff was presented in ways that suggested that I agreed with it, and though I do recognize a few of the people I'd consider "nut cases" among the list of signatories, my guess is that most of those who signed were, like me, unaware of the context in which our names would appear.

Howard Zinn:

(Howard) Zinn sent me a curt email in response to a question of whether he'd intended to suggest Bush's complicity in the attacks: "I did not sign a statement suggesting that 'Bush had prior knowledge.' I signed a statement calling for an investigation.

If the signers were kept in the dark about the final verbiage, then I'd say that 911Truth.org owes an apology to the all the signers - not just Van Jones. Otherwise, I'd say that it just looks like Van Jones is a moral coward. By which I mean, he's allowed to change his mind and even express regret. It's moral cowardice, though, to lie about the circumstances of the petition signing.

Problem is, I still can't figure out exactly what that was.

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