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Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer interviewed on the Alex Jones Show.
Submitted by Orangutan. on Fri, 01/08/2010 - 5:48pm
Intelligence Officer Anthony Shaffer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Shaffer_%28intelligence_officer%29
Shaffer made a protected disclosure to the 9/11 Commission staff director, Philip D. Zelikow, while undercover in Afghanistan in October 2003 regarding the existence of the ABLE DANGER program that had identified alleged 9/11 lead hijacker Mohammed Atta and three other al-Qaeda operatives operating in the United States prior to 9/11.
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Wow
Great interview, thanks for posting. Looking forward to Shaffer's book. Hopefully it wont be gutted to much, by the censors.
He essentially just dropped...
A bombshell.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? The facts speak for themselves.
bombshells
Yea, more than one. I knew Sandy Berger stold classified documents that concerned the millenium bombing, but didn't know in the report was the revelation that they knew about the Al Qaeda cells in America. He doesn't go to jail though because he was on the phone with someone...someone named Clinton who was telling him what to do. If I steal classified documents I go to jail....unless of course I'm stealing them because a former President of the United States tells me too.
He also exposed a couple of Liars.....
"But most of it was pointing all of it was pointing abroad, that there was going to be some kind of attack abroad." -- C Rice
http://www.scribd.com/doc/16571537/T3-B11-EOP-Produced-Documents-Vol-III...
"In early July, the NSC chaired a meeting at which the interagency was briefed about additional intelligence indicating that terrorist attacks seemed imminent; the Intelligence Community briefers emphasized attacks would likely take place overseas." --Lt Gen M Canavan FAA Hijack Coordinator (Absent on 9/11)
http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/library/congress/9-11_commission/...
But the Senate and Congress joint Inquiry into the 9/11 attacks already did that. (BTW I consider this investigation the nearest one to a real one we've had)
"Finding: Beginning in 1998 and continuing into the summer of 2001, the Intelligence Community received a modest, but relatively steady, stream of intelligence reporting that indicated the possibility of terrorist attacks within the United States." -- U.S. Senate and Congress Joint Inquiry into 9/11 Attacks
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/fullreport_errata.pdf
"Finding: From at least 1994, and continuing into the summer of 2001, the Intelligence Community received information indicating that terrorists were contemplating, among other means of attack, the use of aircraft as weapons." -- U.S. Senate and Congress Joint Inquiry into 9/11 Attacks
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/fullreport_errata.pdf
"Community received reporting in May 2001 that Bin Ladin supporters were planning to infiltrate the United States to conduct terrorist operations and, in late summer 2001, that an al-Qa’ida associate was considering mounting terrorist attacks within the United States." -- U.S. Senate and Congress Joint Inquiry into 9/11 Attacks
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/fullreport_errata.pdf
"The FBI and CIA were also aware that convicted terrorist Abdul Hakim Murad and several others had discussed the possibility of crashing an airplane into CIA Headquarters as part of “the Bojinka Plot” in the Philippines, discussed later in this report." --U.S. Senate and Congress Joint Inquiry into 9/11 Attacks
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/fullreport_errata.pdf
"Community received reporting in May 2001 that Bin Ladin supporters were planning to infiltrate the United States to conduct terrorist operations and, in late summer 2001, that an al-Qa’ida associate was considering mounting terrorist attacks within the United States."--U.S. Senate and Congress Joint Inquiry into 9/11 Attacks
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/fullreport_errata.pdf
Title of Aug 6 Memo Given to President Bush
"Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S."
http://slate.msn.com/?id=2066154
Bush can pretend he didn't know but.....
National Security Presidential Directives - NSPDs
NSPD-5: Review of U.S. Intelligence
On May 9, 2001 President Bush issued National Security Presidential Directive 5 which calls for a comprehensive review of U.S. intelligence.
The review is intended to "ensure that U.S. intelligence capabilities are honed to serve us on a wide range of critical challenges that face us now and in the future."
The review is to be conducted by two panels named by DCI George Tenet. One panel will be comprised of selected governmental officials. The second panel, to be named by Tenet in conjunction with National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, will be composed of nongovernmental experts.
The review has "a broad mandate to challenge the status quo and explore new and innovative techniques, systems, practices and processes" for foreign intelligence, according to a White House press statement.
The panels were to report to the President in summer 2001.
http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/nspd/nspd-5.htm
Published: May 13, 2001
Mr. Tenet, in consultation with the president's national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, will appoint two panels to conduct the review. One will consist of government officials and the other will have experts from outside government.
The intelligence budget is not public information, but experts say it was probably about $30 billion for the current year, and was expected to increase in the next budget year.
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/13/world/13SPY.html?searchpv=site01
President George W. Bush has ordered a comprehensive review of U.S. intelligence to determine whether the CIA and other intelligence agencies can protect their own secrets.
In a White House memorandum released Friday, Bush said the review would be conducted by CIA Director George Tenet, working with Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and Secretary of State Colin Powell.
Because they will be dealing with intelligence matters, the panels will deliberate in secret. They are expected to give a report to Bush this summer.
http://www.chinapost.com.tw/news/2001/05/13/11311/Bush-orders.htm
I'm talking to him now...
About it. Non-Able Danger related... the thing that stood out to me was the fact that a Commissioner told him that each Commissioner was there to cover up for different people/organizations.
Two guesses of mine...
Lee Hamilton = Dick Cheney
Thomas Kean = George Bush
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? The facts speak for themselves.
Summarize?
Could you summarize in a couple of sentences what they were, for those of us who won't be able to listen for quite a while?
some tidbits
Well, for starters, Able Danger identified 3 out of the 4 cells involved in 9/11, and claimed they were not "sleeper" but active. They knew they were here and were not allowed to do anything. They also had according to Shaffer a high quality "source" in Kabul Afghanistan who was a part of Al Qaeda there that they were told to disengage from.
And as Jon said Shaffer admits the commission was compromised and supports a new investigation.
Shaffer
Jone's was brilliant as usual. Shaffer appeared to be delicately thinking about breaking certain aspects of a story from 2002 that he may or may not be able to consider talking about provided book sales allowed for it. Frankly, I’m pretty sick of people like Shaffer and the demonic United States Military in general. I'm tired of pretending fast talkers like this are heroes. We're supposed to think that if we behave ourselves people like Shaffer will eventually reveal things that will blow the lid off 9/11. Well, the lid was blown off a long time ago so people like this can only be considered to be the clowns that they are. If thourouly debunked goobers like General Stanley McChrystal are to be taken seriously, what are we supposed to make of guys like Shaffer?
Lt Col Anthony Shaffer
Flicker said...."Frankly, I’m pretty sick of people like Shaffer and the demonic United States Military in general."
What does "people like Shaffer" mean? You mean high ranking people with valuable information that they have been trying to share, only to have their honarable career sabotaged by the corrupt system you imply you're against? Or is it simply because he wears a "demonic United States Military" uniform?
Flicker said ...."We're supposed to think that if we behave ourselves people like Shaffer will eventually reveal things that will blow the lid off 9/11."
"Behave ourselves"? What does that mean? If you listened to the interview at the end of the first video he already revealed what should blow the lid off.....he said he personally told The Executive of the 9/11 Commission P Zelikow that they knew about the hijackers in America before 9/11. You should read the 9/11 Commission Report, because that isn't mentioned in it. That's rather important. BTW- Anyone know if any MFR has been released by the 9/11 Commission concerning this meeting Shaffer had with Zelikow?
Flicker said..."what are we supposed to make of guys like Shaffer?"
Well, I consider him a patriot, and a valuable source of information, a brave person with integrity, is there some reason I shouldn't?
9/11 Commission records
MFR: 10/21/03 Meeting with "three officers" at Bagram
http://www.scribd.com/doc/19985543/Mfr-Nara-Na-Dod-Dod-Employees-1310210...
I haven't seen anything else related to Anthony Shaffer- he's on the list of requests, along w/ Scott Phillpott, Eileen Preisser, Eric Kleinsmith, Able Danger and LIWA. 2/3 of the records are still being processed, and most of that is the agencies records, as opposed to the 9/11 Commission's records- considering that stuff from the JFK assassination is still classified (like George Joannides) much of it will likely never be released, unless most Democrats and Republicans are turned out of office and the Constitution's restored...
MFR: Scott Phillpott
http://www.scribd.com/doc/20830937/Mfr-Nara-t1a-Dod-Phillpott-Scott-7-13...
Search for "Able Danger" in the 9/11 records:
http://www.scribd.com/documents#search?q=%22able%20danger%22
Search for "LIWA" in the 9/11 records:
http://www.scribd.com/documents#search?q=LIWA
http://911reports.com
http://www.historycommons.org
Honorable?
Jim, you can't expect everyone here to share your patriotic love of the US military.
"he already revealed what should blow the lid off"
Yes, yes, put it on the pile.
Judging human existance?
Shaffer served for the common good, so he thought...he found he was just a wheel in the machine of evil.
He reacted and told the truth...what more could anyone ask? SO WHAT IF HE CHOSE'S TO BE CAREFUL DOING IT.....
Ask your selfish self what I have given up for the cause...in REAL HARD HUMAN CURRENCY!
We are all human and flawed...all we can expect is more good than bad:)
John
9/11 24/7 UNTIL JUSTICE!!
www.truthaction.org.au
Able Danger info
emphasis mine: "ABLE DANGER was a planning effort, tasked to SOCOM by JCS. The task was to identify and target Al Qaeda on a global basis and, using advanced technology (data mining; massive parallel processing; complex algorithmic refining tools, etc) and enhanced visualization tools, present options for leaders (national command authority) to manipulate, degrade or destroy Al Qaeda."
http://www.abledangerblog.com/2006/03/stratus-ivy-holdings-of-able-dange...
HistoryCommons.org Profile: Able Danger
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=able_danger
http://911reports.com
http://www.historycommons.org
There was no need for military operations in the US
I remember that three meetings were supposedly set up for Able Danger personnel to brief the FBI. These meetings were evidently canceled and no credible explanation for the cancellations has ever been given. We saw similar conduct with the CIA before 9/11 when they withheld information from the FBI. Since the FBI had legal counterterrorism jurisdiction in the US, leaving them out of the loop was basically allowing the 9/11 plot to go forward. It must be noted that sharing information wasn't sufficient to stop the plot as the FBI was told in late August that al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar were in the US but this information was withheld from the criminal side agents.
Some of the key officials who refuse to explain this bizarre conduct are the same officials who champion torture, the Patriot Act and warrantless surveillance. The same agencies that claim they need police state powers to prevent terrorist attacks are currently (since 2004) sitting on MFR's (9/11 commission interview summaries) with intelligence agents who were involved in all the withholding of information issues. The secrecy (i.e. national security classification laws) is being abused in order to conceal corruption.
"ABLE Danger"
I cannot be the only one to recognize the significance of the very name of the operation, which was to follow and establish a capable or ABLE "danger" operating in the USA.
How can Shaffer have been completely removed or departmentalized from the true nature of what he was tasked with, given his credentials and sphere of operations..?
I see him as a type of spin doctor, with Alex Jones as part of a strange controlled opposition..
That it was left out of the 9/11 Report yes, is very significant - but what of the operation itself - was it not to ENSURE that there was a patsy "grid" in place, so as to allow for the successful execution of the 9/11 event itself?
So as a good guy, perhaps, as one who MAY have unwittingly been directly involved on the periphery, or even on the outer edges of the inner circle, at least for the LIHOP elements - of course he's going to try to use this book release to try to distance himself in history. However, given his credentials, what he was involved in and who he worked for, I have my doubts as to his true standing in relation to the 9/11 event and other similar such "black-ops" and psy-ops..
At the very least he knows way way WAY MORE than he's saying, so on that basis, I don't trust him, nor support him or his CIA vetted book release.
Also, why didn't AJ ask him any hardball questions?
Makes my spidey senses tingle, this story, that it may represent part of an elaborate controlled opposition spin to counter the movement of the 9/11 truth movement and there's Alex Jones eating it up and just loving it, as the somewhat narcissistic, megalomaniacal personality that he is.
Sorry, but I have to call these things the way I see them.
What's so disturbing about this, imho, is the fact that this guy was actually involved, in one way or another, in setting the stage for the 9/11 event, and controlling, to a large degree, the surrounding framework by which these hijackers were indentified, and then guarded until the nasty deed was done as per Zelikow's script.
So it's eery I think to hear an actual participant in 9/11 being interviewed by AJ and hailed as some sort of advocate for our movement for real and authentic 9/11 disclosure.
And his book will be edited by the CIA..
C'mon people, open your eyes.
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On the 11th day, of every month.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q9nRs8cu5Y&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Ftruthaction...
Interview style
This is just Jones' style - he has a wide range of guests, with different backgrounds and political views.
But while I don't suspect Jones to be 'controlled opposition' I am naturally deeply suspicious of Shaffer. I'd like to see this guy properly interrogated.
"So it's eery I think to hear an actual participant in 9/11 being interviewed by AJ and hailed as some sort of advocate for our movement for real and authentic 9/11 disclosure."
I think for the 911 movement to be successful it will 'take all sorts'.
This reveals quite a bit...
about something Jones and I discussed at Bilderberg '08; to coin a phrase: "Controlled admissions".
This complicit rat is only dancing around the outskirts of what he was party to because he has to. It's damage control. Spin doctor the tangents that have been exposed, in an attempt to divert attention from what has not. Yet.
Jones seems to take a less hard-ball tact with some high value players, as not to limit what he can get from them. Push too hard and they often shut down. He goes easy on Ron Paul in regards to 9/11 as well; I'm guessing for similar reasons. If you nail them between the eyes with a solid question, they can be less likely to play out their rhetoric than if they feel safe and in control of their evasive story line. I don't necessarily agree, and think more often the cause is best served by getting right to the point, and letting the chips fall where they may. That being said, perhaps more can be extracted from a scoundrel like shaffer by playing along to some degree. Tough call.
I'm guessing (and hoping) that he'll be back on with Jones, now that he thinks he can get away with his evasive spin BS, and will have his feet put to the fire next time. This guy needs to be dealt with, without the gloves on.
Cheers,
Stewart Howe
WeAreChangeLA
http://wacla.org/
"Few victories can rival the initial one of parting company with the spectators and stepping into the arena" - Stewart Howe
I think your wrong...
He is just stating "what he knows"...not what he thinks or believes.
9/11 24/7 UNTIL JUSTICE!!
www.truthaction.org.au
If I'm wrong...
...which I very well may be, that would be a good thing. I have do doubt that there are veritable "sleeper cells" of constitution defending patriots in high places. It's now wake up time. I hope he turns out to be the real deal.
That being said, his content and tone lead ME to believe that "what he knows" goes way beyond the scope of what he is saying, and that the gravity of such knowledge should outweigh allegiance to the significantly corrupted institutions which he in large measure appears loyal to. It just does not sound to ME like he is unwavering in upholding his oath and commitment to our Constitution and We The People.
Historical precedent set by General Smedley Butler SEEMS to suggest, different variables aside, that actual forthright opposition to co-opted branches of command structure has a different look, sound, and smell.
I'm not in his shoes, so all I can offer is my less than "in the know" opinion. Again, my intuition my be off on this one, but for certain, more will be revealed in this matter.
Thank you John, for weighing in,
Stewart
Names?
Shaffer needs to name more names of the military planners involved in 9/11 otherwise he's just disingenuous.
Precisely, you "get it"
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On the 11th day, of every month.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q9nRs8cu5Y&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Ftruthaction...
I don't think...
A "spin doctor" would do something like this. Tony and I have chatted a lot, and he openly supports my efforts. From everything I can see, he is a good man. We have disagreements about the war, etc... but I don't doubt his sincerity.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? The facts speak for themselves.
Just so long as you realize
That the very operation (Able Danger) that he was spearheading, was utilized to ENSURE that the 9/11 black-op/psy-op could be faciliated, since there would have had to have been coodination between the LIHOP and MIHOP elements along with the development of a credible cover-story to fullfill the script for the event.
It's possible that they could have simply stumbled, by accident, across the operation (the reverse sting operation to set up and aid the hijackers, perhaps under the premise that they were engaged in simulated terrorist actions..) - but then again, there's the title of the operation "Able Danger", which sure sounds to me like it's purpose was to establish a credible and capable threat, and one which would have to be both infiltrated and simultaneously guarded so as to realize the desired outcome.
For example, why, once they had these people in their sights, and fed the information up the channels, was NOTHING done..? "Intelligence failure" my ass.
Undoubtably, his work served to aid the perps, and I doubt very much that "Able Danger" was a true counter-terrorist intelligence operation of the authentic variety, which again, would imply his direct involvement in serving to set the stage for Zelikow's and PNAC's new Pearl Harbor event.
And let's face it, he's not actually blowing the whistle on anyone - just releasing a CIA vetted book, so yeah, either knowingly or unknowingly (not likely) the guy must be a spin doctor, who's objective is to reveal an abysmal "intelligence" failure, which was covered up, but one which still points a finger at the hijackers themselves as being solely at cause in making 9/11 happen.
I cannot be the only person to draw such logical and rational conclusion...? I can't understand how people can be so easily influenced and manipulated, including you Jon. Just think it through all the way.
What are his thoughts about the manner in which the twin towers and building 7 were destroyed? What does he think of that?
____________________________
On the 11th day, of every month.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q9nRs8cu5Y&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Ftruthaction...
And if I'm right Jon
Then your friend was complicit in the worst act of mass murder in modern history, it matters not how smart, eloquent and seemingly "nice" and genuine he may appear.
It's quite hard actually within the historical framework, to imagine how he could even be considered one of the "good guys"..
Plus the revised history of "we let the hijackers get away" by a catastrophic intelligence failure - is a LIMITED HANGOUT, and not an accurate reflection of what ACTUALLY occured ie: exploding twin towers..
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On the 11th day, of every month.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q9nRs8cu5Y&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Ftruthaction...
Limited Hangout, precisely...
...is what Shaffer is doing. And what about a book "cleaned-up" by the CIA? What the hell good will come of that? ...and forget LIHOP. It's MIHOP all the way folks. You got a bank robbery in progress. One guy is inside with a gun on the teller, filling up a bag with the cash. Is the guy out front at the curb sitting in the getaway car with the engine running LIHOP?? That's Shaffer. He's not Letting It Happen, he's Making It Happen. That's MIHOP.
KMW
Stating speculation as fact and basing accusations on it is bad
Speculation is fine, it can lead to realizations and fruitful lines of inquiry, but it should not be confused w/ fact, proof, certain knowledge, etc. and people should be clear when they're doing it- especially when accusing people of being complicit in treason and mass murder.
Robert Rice above: "Able Danger ... was utilized to ENSURE that the 9/11 black-op/psy-op could be faciliated" and below: "I have to confess that I have not fully researched Able Danger,"
keymanwst: "Limited Hangout, precisely... ...is what Shaffer is doing"
OK, Mr. Rice and keymanwst, you are claiming these as facts, not simply your belief- make your case.
The public info is limited, and i have not seen the evidence that would make it clear Shaffer is part of a limited hang out, or that Able Danger was used to manage 9/11, or that Shaffer was aware of how people higher up than him might have been using Able Danger.
To be sure, Shaffer and everyone else involved in Able Danger need to testify under Oath. And as i noted above, according to official sources, "ABLE DANGER was a planning effort, tasked to SOCOM by JCS. The task was to identify and target Al Qaeda on a global basis and, using advanced technology (data mining; massive parallel processing; complex algorithmic refining tools, etc) and enhanced visualization tools, present options for leaders (national command authority) to manipulate, degrade or destroy Al Qaeda." http://www.abledangerblog.com/2006/03/stratus-ivy-holdings-of-able-dange...
What is public so far is that manipulating Al Qaeda was a primary function of the Able Danger program. However, the CIA and NSA were monitoring Bin Laden/Al Qaeda communications, and had ID'd Atta, Almihdhar, Alhazmi and others as terrorists and participants in an impending plot. In addition, there's evidence Al Qaeda was infiltrated by US and allied agents http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2008/03/us-and-allied-intelligence-... - everyone already knows about the CIA getting Visas for terrorist, Atta and others training at US military bases, the Mossad agents who were tracking them in the US, and the Saudi agents assisting them in San Diego. Whether 9/11 was an Islamic extremist plot that was hijacked by elements of the US MIC w/ the help of the ISI/GIB/Saudi Royals and Mossad, or whether the entire idea was invented by them and fed to Bin Laden, or if Bin Laden and KSM were witting CIA tools, or if Atta and other alleged hijackers were actually double agents is not known, and doesn't need to be known to know that all of these possibilities still = inside job. LIHOP is MIHOP is treason, it's a false dichotomy that has been used to foment discord in the 9/11 truth movement.
Able Danger, from what's been made public, was a data-mining and analysis program which relied on open sources- not these insider sources. According to Shaffer and others who blew the whistle ('limited hangout- or not), it had ID'd Atta- and now Shaffer has said it had ID'd 3 9/11 cells in the US. LIWA and Able Danger were shut down and restarted and data was destroyed a number of times between 1999 and 2001 (and afterward) on orders and threats of prosecution, by military lawyers and higher level officials. In 2000, Able Danger had connected Condi Rice, William Perry and other prominent US citizens to suspicious dealings w/ the Chinese military- this may have had something to do with it being shut down. In any case, there's no evidence, afaik, that Able Danger was used to run the 9/11 operation. From what is known about it, it seems more of a way of keeping tabs on Al Qaeda, another way of making sure things weren't slipping thru the cracks, and gaining information that could be used to manipulate Al Qaeda. So, while what we know is incomplete, according to what we do know, it was a data-mining and analysis program- it wasn't used to beam instructions to Manchurian candidate hijackers, or coordinate the 9/11 operation. That it was destroyed so many times seems to indicate it wasn't needed to manage 9/11- and that Able Danger and LIWA uncovering info about the plot was perceived as threatening by people higher up. Shaffer, Phillpott and others talked to the 9/11 Commission and were ignored in the report, and then they went public, and paid a price for it.
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=able_danger
So, is it all a limited hangout psyop? I'm not going to judge that, i don't have enough info- what i do want is to see at least several dozen people testify under oath, from lower-level people like Shaffer, Phillpott, Sibel Edmonds, Indira Singh, Coleen Rowley and Harry Samit, etc.- to the highest level people like Cheney, Bush, Rice, Rumsfeld, Myers, etc. It cannot be said there's been a full and complete accounting for 9/11 if this- and many other things- don't happen.
http://911reports.com
http://www.historycommons.org
Thanks, and you're right
I don't know enough about it and what I was offering was highly speculative. It's damn suspicious though. And surely this Shaffer knows more than he's saying. Maybe he's planting clues which may serve as historical seeds for increasing awareness and understanding, so that future generations can LEARN something about that event, and in so doing serve at some level, a just cause.
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On the 11th day, of every month.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q9nRs8cu5Y&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Ftruthaction...
Just to clarify..
LIHOP IS MIHOP IS Treason and complicity in and conspiracy to committ mass murder.
But it's complicated I suppose as to who knew what when and how the intel was used, but at some point it all came together, both sides of the equation in "The Big Wedding" and of course the twin towers WERE in fact, blown up with explosives, killing most of the people who lost their lives that day, and there's no two ways around that conclusion, that's not mere speculation or hypothesis, but physical reality.
Let us not water down the FACT that all in all 9/11 really was a MIHOP (made it happen on purpose) and that many many people were murdered and that indeed it was an "inside job". As to precisely how, and who, could be open to speculation until we get more whistleblowers, but no doubt Cheney et all were involved.
What we need are more whistleblowers to start coming out of the woodwork.
____________________________
On the 11th day, of every month.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q9nRs8cu5Y&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Ftruthaction...
"LIHOP IS MIHOP IS Treason and complicity in and conspiracy ..."
i agree w/ what you've said in the comment above- certain people who swore oaths to defend the Constitution were in positions of responsibility and have never been held accountable- and evidence indicating they had an active role was ignored or twisted by the 9/11 Commission. It's complicated, and exactly who knew what when and what they did/didn't do has not been properly investigated, which likely implicates certain members and staff of the 9/11 Commission, and probably members of Congress and the MSM, in a criminal cover up- but that too needs to be fully investigated. It seems clear to me that only explosives could turn 110 story steel-frame and concrete skyscrapers into dust, chunks of concrete and loose beams in less than 20 seconds each, and that the NIST and FEMA reports are frauds and people involved in producing them also need to be investigated for criminal cover up. Clearly, the 9/11 story is a myth and a lie- the question is, what's the truth?
As marzi noted below, what Edmonds- and Shaffer- and other whistleblowers have direct knowledge of, what they were witness to, is only part of the picture. But it needs to be addressed- as does everything else. If ALL of it is not addressed by a future inquiry, then it cannot be accepted. The govt hasn't done an adequate job of pinning the attacks on Bin Laden, KSM and the alleged 19 hijackers, and it needs to, if the public and history are expected to accept the 'official' version of events, let alone accept it being used to justify massive MIC funding, wars, torture, domestic spying, other subversions of the Constitution, etc. Patsies who were wittingly involved in a plot to hijack airliners were complicit in a crime and should be held accountable. However, it's not clear which ones, if any or all, knew what the plot was, or even if all were aware they were part of a plot- they may have been led to believe something else, but some may have believed they were going to crash planes into buildings. There needs to be a full investigation, accountable to the public.
http://911reports.com
http://www.historycommons.org
how many people consciously involved in 9/11?
re: "However, it's not clear which ones, if any or all, knew what the plot was, or even if all were aware they were part of a plot- they may have been led to believe something else..."
this brings up an issue that i buck up against with otherwise intelligent friends and acquaintances who cannot get their minds around 9/11 being an inside job. their position is "no way there could have been a huge conspiracy, because they never would have been able to keep it quiet.” any thoughts on how to reply to this argument?
also, any indication how long it would have taken x number of people (some consciously, some unwittingly) to wire the three wtc bldgs to be pulled?
i personally have no trouble believing that there may very well may have been a small army (say 1,000) who carried out 9/11 consciously, but many people find this scenario to be unbelievable, or perhaps too disturbing to be believed.
when jesse ventura mentioned on his recent 9/11 conspiracy theory show that thermite could have been painted onto the wtc beams unwittingly, one friend who raised the “they’d never be able to keep this quiet” argument was relatively impressed with that idea, and drawn closer to the fold. again making me wonder how likely unwitting participation actually was. and if you were an unwitting participant, did you remain so after the towers came down?
Tempting
The problem with Able Danger and putting certain people on the stand like Edmonds is there's way too much emphasis on the patsies, and while they're important they take away from the real culprits - the US military and others in Europe who actually planned this monstrous event.