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Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer interviewed on the Alex Jones Show.

Intelligence Officer Anthony Shaffer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Shaffer_%28intelligence_officer%29

Shaffer made a protected disclosure to the 9/11 Commission staff director, Philip D. Zelikow, while undercover in Afghanistan in October 2003 regarding the existence of the ABLE DANGER program that had identified alleged 9/11 lead hijacker Mohammed Atta and three other al-Qaeda operatives operating in the United States prior to 9/11.

More info:
http://www.911blogger.com/node/11481

Wow

Great interview, thanks for posting. Looking forward to Shaffer's book. Hopefully it wont be gutted to much, by the censors.

He essentially just dropped...

A bombshell.


Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? The facts speak for themselves.

bombshells

Yea, more than one. I knew Sandy Berger stold classified documents that concerned the millenium bombing, but didn't know in the report was the revelation that they knew about the Al Qaeda cells in America. He doesn't go to jail though because he was on the phone with someone...someone named Clinton who was telling him what to do. If I steal classified documents I go to jail....unless of course I'm stealing them because a former President of the United States tells me too.

He also exposed a couple of Liars.....

"But most of it was pointing all of it was pointing abroad, that there was going to be some kind of attack abroad." -- C Rice
http://www.scribd.com/doc/16571537/T3-B11-EOP-Produced-Documents-Vol-III...

"In early July, the NSC chaired a meeting at which the interagency was briefed about additional intelligence indicating that terrorist attacks seemed imminent; the Intelligence Community briefers emphasized attacks would likely take place overseas." --Lt Gen M Canavan FAA Hijack Coordinator (Absent on 9/11)
http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/library/congress/9-11_commission/...

But the Senate and Congress joint Inquiry into the 9/11 attacks already did that. (BTW I consider this investigation the nearest one to a real one we've had)

"Finding: Beginning in 1998 and continuing into the summer of 2001, the Intelligence Community received a modest, but relatively steady, stream of intelligence reporting that indicated the possibility of terrorist attacks within the United States." -- U.S. Senate and Congress Joint Inquiry into 9/11 Attacks
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/fullreport_errata.pdf

"Finding: From at least 1994, and continuing into the summer of 2001, the Intelligence Community received information indicating that terrorists were contemplating, among other means of attack, the use of aircraft as weapons." -- U.S. Senate and Congress Joint Inquiry into 9/11 Attacks
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/fullreport_errata.pdf

"Community received reporting in May 2001 that Bin Ladin supporters were planning to infiltrate the United States to conduct terrorist operations and, in late summer 2001, that an al-Qa’ida associate was considering mounting terrorist attacks within the United States." -- U.S. Senate and Congress Joint Inquiry into 9/11 Attacks
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/fullreport_errata.pdf

"The FBI and CIA were also aware that convicted terrorist Abdul Hakim Murad and several others had discussed the possibility of crashing an airplane into CIA Headquarters as part of “the Bojinka Plot” in the Philippines, discussed later in this report." --U.S. Senate and Congress Joint Inquiry into 9/11 Attacks
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/fullreport_errata.pdf

"Community received reporting in May 2001 that Bin Ladin supporters were planning to infiltrate the United States to conduct terrorist operations and, in late summer 2001, that an al-Qa’ida associate was considering mounting terrorist attacks within the United States."--U.S. Senate and Congress Joint Inquiry into 9/11 Attacks
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/fullreport_errata.pdf

Title of Aug 6 Memo Given to President Bush
"Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S."
http://slate.msn.com/?id=2066154

Bush can pretend he didn't know but.....

National Security Presidential Directives - NSPDs
NSPD-5: Review of U.S. Intelligence
On May 9, 2001 President Bush issued National Security Presidential Directive 5 which calls for a comprehensive review of U.S. intelligence.

The review is intended to "ensure that U.S. intelligence capabilities are honed to serve us on a wide range of critical challenges that face us now and in the future."

The review is to be conducted by two panels named by DCI George Tenet. One panel will be comprised of selected governmental officials. The second panel, to be named by Tenet in conjunction with National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, will be composed of nongovernmental experts.

The review has "a broad mandate to challenge the status quo and explore new and innovative techniques, systems, practices and processes" for foreign intelligence, according to a White House press statement.

The panels were to report to the President in summer 2001.
http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/nspd/nspd-5.htm

Published: May 13, 2001
Mr. Tenet, in consultation with the president's national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, will appoint two panels to conduct the review. One will consist of government officials and the other will have experts from outside government.

The intelligence budget is not public information, but experts say it was probably about $30 billion for the current year, and was expected to increase in the next budget year.
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/13/world/13SPY.html?searchpv=site01

President George W. Bush has ordered a comprehensive review of U.S. intelligence to determine whether the CIA and other intelligence agencies can protect their own secrets.

In a White House memorandum released Friday, Bush said the review would be conducted by CIA Director George Tenet, working with Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and Secretary of State Colin Powell.

Because they will be dealing with intelligence matters, the panels will deliberate in secret. They are expected to give a report to Bush this summer.
http://www.chinapost.com.tw/news/2001/05/13/11311/Bush-orders.htm

I'm talking to him now...

About it. Non-Able Danger related... the thing that stood out to me was the fact that a Commissioner told him that each Commissioner was there to cover up for different people/organizations.

Two guesses of mine...

Lee Hamilton = Dick Cheney
Thomas Kean = George Bush


Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? The facts speak for themselves.

Summarize?

Could you summarize in a couple of sentences what they were, for those of us who won't be able to listen for quite a while?

some tidbits

Well, for starters, Able Danger identified 3 out of the 4 cells involved in 9/11, and claimed they were not "sleeper" but active. They knew they were here and were not allowed to do anything. They also had according to Shaffer a high quality "source" in Kabul Afghanistan who was a part of Al Qaeda there that they were told to disengage from.
And as Jon said Shaffer admits the commission was compromised and supports a new investigation.

Shaffer

Jone's was brilliant as usual. Shaffer appeared to be delicately thinking about breaking certain aspects of a story from 2002 that he may or may not be able to consider talking about provided book sales allowed for it. Frankly, I’m pretty sick of people like Shaffer and the demonic United States Military in general. I'm tired of pretending fast talkers like this are heroes. We're supposed to think that if we behave ourselves people like Shaffer will eventually reveal things that will blow the lid off 9/11. Well, the lid was blown off a long time ago so people like this can only be considered to be the clowns that they are. If thourouly debunked goobers like General Stanley McChrystal are to be taken seriously, what are we supposed to make of guys like Shaffer?

Lt Col Anthony Shaffer

Flicker said...."Frankly, I’m pretty sick of people like Shaffer and the demonic United States Military in general."

What does "people like Shaffer" mean? You mean high ranking people with valuable information that they have been trying to share, only to have their honarable career sabotaged by the corrupt system you imply you're against? Or is it simply because he wears a "demonic United States Military" uniform?

Flicker said ...."We're supposed to think that if we behave ourselves people like Shaffer will eventually reveal things that will blow the lid off 9/11."

"Behave ourselves"? What does that mean? If you listened to the interview at the end of the first video he already revealed what should blow the lid off.....he said he personally told The Executive of the 9/11 Commission P Zelikow that they knew about the hijackers in America before 9/11. You should read the 9/11 Commission Report, because that isn't mentioned in it. That's rather important. BTW- Anyone know if any MFR has been released by the 9/11 Commission concerning this meeting Shaffer had with Zelikow?

Flicker said..."what are we supposed to make of guys like Shaffer?"
Well, I consider him a patriot, and a valuable source of information, a brave person with integrity, is there some reason I shouldn't?

9/11 Commission records

MFR: 10/21/03 Meeting with "three officers" at Bagram
http://www.scribd.com/doc/19985543/Mfr-Nara-Na-Dod-Dod-Employees-1310210...

I haven't seen anything else related to Anthony Shaffer- he's on the list of requests, along w/ Scott Phillpott, Eileen Preisser, Eric Kleinsmith, Able Danger and LIWA. 2/3 of the records are still being processed, and most of that is the agencies records, as opposed to the 9/11 Commission's records- considering that stuff from the JFK assassination is still classified (like George Joannides) much of it will likely never be released, unless most Democrats and Republicans are turned out of office and the Constitution's restored...

MFR: Scott Phillpott
http://www.scribd.com/doc/20830937/Mfr-Nara-t1a-Dod-Phillpott-Scott-7-13...

Search for "Able Danger" in the 9/11 records:
http://www.scribd.com/documents#search?q=%22able%20danger%22

Search for "LIWA" in the 9/11 records:
http://www.scribd.com/documents#search?q=LIWA

http://911reports.com
http://www.historycommons.org

Honorable?

Jim, you can't expect everyone here to share your patriotic love of the US military.

"he already revealed what should blow the lid off"

Yes, yes, put it on the pile.

Judging human existance?

Shaffer served for the common good, so he thought...he found he was just a wheel in the machine of evil.

He reacted and told the truth...what more could anyone ask? SO WHAT IF HE CHOSE'S TO BE CAREFUL DOING IT.....

Ask your selfish self what I have given up for the cause...in REAL HARD HUMAN CURRENCY!

We are all human and flawed...all we can expect is more good than bad:)

John

9/11 24/7 UNTIL JUSTICE!!
www.truthaction.org.au

Able Danger info

emphasis mine: "ABLE DANGER was a planning effort, tasked to SOCOM by JCS. The task was to identify and target Al Qaeda on a global basis and, using advanced technology (data mining; massive parallel processing; complex algorithmic refining tools, etc) and enhanced visualization tools, present options for leaders (national command authority) to manipulate, degrade or destroy Al Qaeda."
http://www.abledangerblog.com/2006/03/stratus-ivy-holdings-of-able-dange...

HistoryCommons.org Profile: Able Danger
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=able_danger

http://911reports.com
http://www.historycommons.org

There was no need for military operations in the US

I remember that three meetings were supposedly set up for Able Danger personnel to brief the FBI. These meetings were evidently canceled and no credible explanation for the cancellations has ever been given. We saw similar conduct with the CIA before 9/11 when they withheld information from the FBI. Since the FBI had legal counterterrorism jurisdiction in the US, leaving them out of the loop was basically allowing the 9/11 plot to go forward. It must be noted that sharing information wasn't sufficient to stop the plot as the FBI was told in late August that al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar were in the US but this information was withheld from the criminal side agents.

Some of the key officials who refuse to explain this bizarre conduct are the same officials who champion torture, the Patriot Act and warrantless surveillance. The same agencies that claim they need police state powers to prevent terrorist attacks are currently (since 2004) sitting on MFR's (9/11 commission interview summaries) with intelligence agents who were involved in all the withholding of information issues. The secrecy (i.e. national security classification laws) is being abused in order to conceal corruption.

"ABLE Danger"

I cannot be the only one to recognize the significance of the very name of the operation, which was to follow and establish a capable or ABLE "danger" operating in the USA.

How can Shaffer have been completely removed or departmentalized from the true nature of what he was tasked with, given his credentials and sphere of operations..?

I see him as a type of spin doctor, with Alex Jones as part of a strange controlled opposition..

That it was left out of the 9/11 Report yes, is very significant - but what of the operation itself - was it not to ENSURE that there was a patsy "grid" in place, so as to allow for the successful execution of the 9/11 event itself?

So as a good guy, perhaps, as one who MAY have unwittingly been directly involved on the periphery, or even on the outer edges of the inner circle, at least for the LIHOP elements - of course he's going to try to use this book release to try to distance himself in history. However, given his credentials, what he was involved in and who he worked for, I have my doubts as to his true standing in relation to the 9/11 event and other similar such "black-ops" and psy-ops..

At the very least he knows way way WAY MORE than he's saying, so on that basis, I don't trust him, nor support him or his CIA vetted book release.

Also, why didn't AJ ask him any hardball questions?

Makes my spidey senses tingle, this story, that it may represent part of an elaborate controlled opposition spin to counter the movement of the 9/11 truth movement and there's Alex Jones eating it up and just loving it, as the somewhat narcissistic, megalomaniacal personality that he is.

Sorry, but I have to call these things the way I see them.

What's so disturbing about this, imho, is the fact that this guy was actually involved, in one way or another, in setting the stage for the 9/11 event, and controlling, to a large degree, the surrounding framework by which these hijackers were indentified, and then guarded until the nasty deed was done as per Zelikow's script.

So it's eery I think to hear an actual participant in 9/11 being interviewed by AJ and hailed as some sort of advocate for our movement for real and authentic 9/11 disclosure.

And his book will be edited by the CIA..

C'mon people, open your eyes.
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Interview style

This is just Jones' style - he has a wide range of guests, with different backgrounds and political views.

But while I don't suspect Jones to be 'controlled opposition' I am naturally deeply suspicious of Shaffer. I'd like to see this guy properly interrogated.

"So it's eery I think to hear an actual participant in 9/11 being interviewed by AJ and hailed as some sort of advocate for our movement for real and authentic 9/11 disclosure."

I think for the 911 movement to be successful it will 'take all sorts'.

This reveals quite a bit...

about something Jones and I discussed at Bilderberg '08; to coin a phrase: "Controlled admissions".

This complicit rat is only dancing around the outskirts of what he was party to because he has to. It's damage control. Spin doctor the tangents that have been exposed, in an attempt to divert attention from what has not. Yet.

Jones seems to take a less hard-ball tact with some high value players, as not to limit what he can get from them. Push too hard and they often shut down. He goes easy on Ron Paul in regards to 9/11 as well; I'm guessing for similar reasons. If you nail them between the eyes with a solid question, they can be less likely to play out their rhetoric than if they feel safe and in control of their evasive story line. I don't necessarily agree, and think more often the cause is best served by getting right to the point, and letting the chips fall where they may. That being said, perhaps more can be extracted from a scoundrel like shaffer by playing along to some degree. Tough call.

I'm guessing (and hoping) that he'll be back on with Jones, now that he thinks he can get away with his evasive spin BS, and will have his feet put to the fire next time. This guy needs to be dealt with, without the gloves on.

Cheers,

Stewart Howe
WeAreChangeLA
http://wacla.org/

"Few victories can rival the initial one of parting company with the spectators and stepping into the arena" - Stewart Howe

I think your wrong...

He is just stating "what he knows"...not what he thinks or believes.

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If I'm wrong...

...which I very well may be, that would be a good thing. I have do doubt that there are veritable "sleeper cells" of constitution defending patriots in high places. It's now wake up time. I hope he turns out to be the real deal.

That being said, his content and tone lead ME to believe that "what he knows" goes way beyond the scope of what he is saying, and that the gravity of such knowledge should outweigh allegiance to the significantly corrupted institutions which he in large measure appears loyal to. It just does not sound to ME like he is unwavering in upholding his oath and commitment to our Constitution and We The People.

Historical precedent set by General Smedley Butler SEEMS to suggest, different variables aside, that actual forthright opposition to co-opted branches of command structure has a different look, sound, and smell.

I'm not in his shoes, so all I can offer is my less than "in the know" opinion. Again, my intuition my be off on this one, but for certain, more will be revealed in this matter.

Thank you John, for weighing in,

Stewart

Names?

Shaffer needs to name more names of the military planners involved in 9/11 otherwise he's just disingenuous.

Precisely, you "get it"

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I don't think...

A "spin doctor" would do something like this. Tony and I have chatted a lot, and he openly supports my efforts. From everything I can see, he is a good man. We have disagreements about the war, etc... but I don't doubt his sincerity.


Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? The facts speak for themselves.

Just so long as you realize

That the very operation (Able Danger) that he was spearheading, was utilized to ENSURE that the 9/11 black-op/psy-op could be faciliated, since there would have had to have been coodination between the LIHOP and MIHOP elements along with the development of a credible cover-story to fullfill the script for the event.

It's possible that they could have simply stumbled, by accident, across the operation (the reverse sting operation to set up and aid the hijackers, perhaps under the premise that they were engaged in simulated terrorist actions..) - but then again, there's the title of the operation "Able Danger", which sure sounds to me like it's purpose was to establish a credible and capable threat, and one which would have to be both infiltrated and simultaneously guarded so as to realize the desired outcome.

For example, why, once they had these people in their sights, and fed the information up the channels, was NOTHING done..? "Intelligence failure" my ass.

Undoubtably, his work served to aid the perps, and I doubt very much that "Able Danger" was a true counter-terrorist intelligence operation of the authentic variety, which again, would imply his direct involvement in serving to set the stage for Zelikow's and PNAC's new Pearl Harbor event.

And let's face it, he's not actually blowing the whistle on anyone - just releasing a CIA vetted book, so yeah, either knowingly or unknowingly (not likely) the guy must be a spin doctor, who's objective is to reveal an abysmal "intelligence" failure, which was covered up, but one which still points a finger at the hijackers themselves as being solely at cause in making 9/11 happen.

I cannot be the only person to draw such logical and rational conclusion...? I can't understand how people can be so easily influenced and manipulated, including you Jon. Just think it through all the way.

What are his thoughts about the manner in which the twin towers and building 7 were destroyed? What does he think of that?
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And if I'm right Jon

Then your friend was complicit in the worst act of mass murder in modern history, it matters not how smart, eloquent and seemingly "nice" and genuine he may appear.

It's quite hard actually within the historical framework, to imagine how he could even be considered one of the "good guys"..

Plus the revised history of "we let the hijackers get away" by a catastrophic intelligence failure - is a LIMITED HANGOUT, and not an accurate reflection of what ACTUALLY occured ie: exploding twin towers..
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Limited Hangout, precisely...

...is what Shaffer is doing. And what about a book "cleaned-up" by the CIA? What the hell good will come of that? ...and forget LIHOP. It's MIHOP all the way folks. You got a bank robbery in progress. One guy is inside with a gun on the teller, filling up a bag with the cash. Is the guy out front at the curb sitting in the getaway car with the engine running LIHOP?? That's Shaffer. He's not Letting It Happen, he's Making It Happen. That's MIHOP.

KMW

Stating speculation as fact and basing accusations on it is bad

Speculation is fine, it can lead to realizations and fruitful lines of inquiry, but it should not be confused w/ fact, proof, certain knowledge, etc. and people should be clear when they're doing it- especially when accusing people of being complicit in treason and mass murder.

Robert Rice above: "Able Danger ... was utilized to ENSURE that the 9/11 black-op/psy-op could be faciliated" and below: "I have to confess that I have not fully researched Able Danger,"
keymanwst: "Limited Hangout, precisely... ...is what Shaffer is doing"

OK, Mr. Rice and keymanwst, you are claiming these as facts, not simply your belief- make your case.

The public info is limited, and i have not seen the evidence that would make it clear Shaffer is part of a limited hang out, or that Able Danger was used to manage 9/11, or that Shaffer was aware of how people higher up than him might have been using Able Danger.

To be sure, Shaffer and everyone else involved in Able Danger need to testify under Oath. And as i noted above, according to official sources, "ABLE DANGER was a planning effort, tasked to SOCOM by JCS. The task was to identify and target Al Qaeda on a global basis and, using advanced technology (data mining; massive parallel processing; complex algorithmic refining tools, etc) and enhanced visualization tools, present options for leaders (national command authority) to manipulate, degrade or destroy Al Qaeda." http://www.abledangerblog.com/2006/03/stratus-ivy-holdings-of-able-dange...

What is public so far is that manipulating Al Qaeda was a primary function of the Able Danger program. However, the CIA and NSA were monitoring Bin Laden/Al Qaeda communications, and had ID'd Atta, Almihdhar, Alhazmi and others as terrorists and participants in an impending plot. In addition, there's evidence Al Qaeda was infiltrated by US and allied agents http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2008/03/us-and-allied-intelligence-... - everyone already knows about the CIA getting Visas for terrorist, Atta and others training at US military bases, the Mossad agents who were tracking them in the US, and the Saudi agents assisting them in San Diego. Whether 9/11 was an Islamic extremist plot that was hijacked by elements of the US MIC w/ the help of the ISI/GIB/Saudi Royals and Mossad, or whether the entire idea was invented by them and fed to Bin Laden, or if Bin Laden and KSM were witting CIA tools, or if Atta and other alleged hijackers were actually double agents is not known, and doesn't need to be known to know that all of these possibilities still = inside job. LIHOP is MIHOP is treason, it's a false dichotomy that has been used to foment discord in the 9/11 truth movement.

Able Danger, from what's been made public, was a data-mining and analysis program which relied on open sources- not these insider sources. According to Shaffer and others who blew the whistle ('limited hangout- or not), it had ID'd Atta- and now Shaffer has said it had ID'd 3 9/11 cells in the US. LIWA and Able Danger were shut down and restarted and data was destroyed a number of times between 1999 and 2001 (and afterward) on orders and threats of prosecution, by military lawyers and higher level officials. In 2000, Able Danger had connected Condi Rice, William Perry and other prominent US citizens to suspicious dealings w/ the Chinese military- this may have had something to do with it being shut down. In any case, there's no evidence, afaik, that Able Danger was used to run the 9/11 operation. From what is known about it, it seems more of a way of keeping tabs on Al Qaeda, another way of making sure things weren't slipping thru the cracks, and gaining information that could be used to manipulate Al Qaeda. So, while what we know is incomplete, according to what we do know, it was a data-mining and analysis program- it wasn't used to beam instructions to Manchurian candidate hijackers, or coordinate the 9/11 operation. That it was destroyed so many times seems to indicate it wasn't needed to manage 9/11- and that Able Danger and LIWA uncovering info about the plot was perceived as threatening by people higher up. Shaffer, Phillpott and others talked to the 9/11 Commission and were ignored in the report, and then they went public, and paid a price for it.
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=able_danger

So, is it all a limited hangout psyop? I'm not going to judge that, i don't have enough info- what i do want is to see at least several dozen people testify under oath, from lower-level people like Shaffer, Phillpott, Sibel Edmonds, Indira Singh, Coleen Rowley and Harry Samit, etc.- to the highest level people like Cheney, Bush, Rice, Rumsfeld, Myers, etc. It cannot be said there's been a full and complete accounting for 9/11 if this- and many other things- don't happen.
http://911reports.com
http://www.historycommons.org

Thanks, and you're right

I don't know enough about it and what I was offering was highly speculative. It's damn suspicious though. And surely this Shaffer knows more than he's saying. Maybe he's planting clues which may serve as historical seeds for increasing awareness and understanding, so that future generations can LEARN something about that event, and in so doing serve at some level, a just cause.
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Just to clarify..

LIHOP IS MIHOP IS Treason and complicity in and conspiracy to committ mass murder.

But it's complicated I suppose as to who knew what when and how the intel was used, but at some point it all came together, both sides of the equation in "The Big Wedding" and of course the twin towers WERE in fact, blown up with explosives, killing most of the people who lost their lives that day, and there's no two ways around that conclusion, that's not mere speculation or hypothesis, but physical reality.

Let us not water down the FACT that all in all 9/11 really was a MIHOP (made it happen on purpose) and that many many people were murdered and that indeed it was an "inside job". As to precisely how, and who, could be open to speculation until we get more whistleblowers, but no doubt Cheney et all were involved.

What we need are more whistleblowers to start coming out of the woodwork.
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"LIHOP IS MIHOP IS Treason and complicity in and conspiracy ..."

i agree w/ what you've said in the comment above- certain people who swore oaths to defend the Constitution were in positions of responsibility and have never been held accountable- and evidence indicating they had an active role was ignored or twisted by the 9/11 Commission. It's complicated, and exactly who knew what when and what they did/didn't do has not been properly investigated, which likely implicates certain members and staff of the 9/11 Commission, and probably members of Congress and the MSM, in a criminal cover up- but that too needs to be fully investigated. It seems clear to me that only explosives could turn 110 story steel-frame and concrete skyscrapers into dust, chunks of concrete and loose beams in less than 20 seconds each, and that the NIST and FEMA reports are frauds and people involved in producing them also need to be investigated for criminal cover up. Clearly, the 9/11 story is a myth and a lie- the question is, what's the truth?

As marzi noted below, what Edmonds- and Shaffer- and other whistleblowers have direct knowledge of, what they were witness to, is only part of the picture. But it needs to be addressed- as does everything else. If ALL of it is not addressed by a future inquiry, then it cannot be accepted. The govt hasn't done an adequate job of pinning the attacks on Bin Laden, KSM and the alleged 19 hijackers, and it needs to, if the public and history are expected to accept the 'official' version of events, let alone accept it being used to justify massive MIC funding, wars, torture, domestic spying, other subversions of the Constitution, etc. Patsies who were wittingly involved in a plot to hijack airliners were complicit in a crime and should be held accountable. However, it's not clear which ones, if any or all, knew what the plot was, or even if all were aware they were part of a plot- they may have been led to believe something else, but some may have believed they were going to crash planes into buildings. There needs to be a full investigation, accountable to the public.

http://911reports.com
http://www.historycommons.org

how many people consciously involved in 9/11?

re: "However, it's not clear which ones, if any or all, knew what the plot was, or even if all were aware they were part of a plot- they may have been led to believe something else..."

this brings up an issue that i buck up against with otherwise intelligent friends and acquaintances who cannot get their minds around 9/11 being an inside job. their position is "no way there could have been a huge conspiracy, because they never would have been able to keep it quiet.” any thoughts on how to reply to this argument?

also, any indication how long it would have taken x number of people (some consciously, some unwittingly) to wire the three wtc bldgs to be pulled?

i personally have no trouble believing that there may very well may have been a small army (say 1,000) who carried out 9/11 consciously, but many people find this scenario to be unbelievable, or perhaps too disturbing to be believed.

when jesse ventura mentioned on his recent 9/11 conspiracy theory show that thermite could have been painted onto the wtc beams unwittingly, one friend who raised the “they’d never be able to keep this quiet” argument was relatively impressed with that idea, and drawn closer to the fold. again making me wonder how likely unwitting participation actually was. and if you were an unwitting participant, did you remain so after the towers came down?

Tempting

The problem with Able Danger and putting certain people on the stand like Edmonds is there's way too much emphasis on the patsies, and while they're important they take away from the real culprits - the US military and others in Europe who actually planned this monstrous event.

OK loose nuke...

...I was a bit irritated when I wrote that and you are correct that the LIHOP/MIHOP thing is indeed used to divide the 9/11 Truth Movement. My feeling is that claims of "let it happen" usually mean "I'm too scared to face the reality of what this really is so lets just say they were just doing their job--just following orders", and had no idea about "Inside job" or deep state or PNAC or anything. I don't buy it. These guys are in the clandestine service--double agents-moles-patsies-spy vs. spy everywhere. It's not the Boy Scouts. I see no courage in what Shaffer says. I see plenty of courage in what Sibel Edmonds says and certainly she is holding back some really juicy stuff that would be real bad for her health if disclosed publicly. There is such a fine line between "fighting" al Qaeda and "running" al Qaeda. In the lead-up to 9/11, it is now clear that the CIA was working them as an essential part in The Big Wedding, and anyone who didn't "get it" and became a bit too frisky trying to shut them down had to be sidelined or "sanitized".
Anyway, interesting discussion! That Richard B Meyers needs to be subpoenaed and testify under oath and then go to Federal Prison for about 200 years. He appeared on Jon Stewert's, The Daily Show in March of 2009, and they discussed how cool it is to wear stars on your collar and stuff. I became nauseated, and had to leave the room. And Condasleeza Rice, OMG--how I would enjoy seeing her get a good grilling by a real 9/11 truth commission!

On a different subject; I have always been wanting to know just how the connection was made between the airliner as missile idea and the Twin Towers which just happened to be all pre wired and ready to "pull". ...but that's a new thread.

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On a different subject; I have always been wanting to know just how the connection was made between the airliner as missile idea and the Twin Towers which just happened to be all pre wired and ready to "pull". ...but that's a new thread.

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Yes, that's another thread, of course, but the proof of explosives being used to blow up those buildings, is unequivocal, AND to top it off, and I don't care if I get riciduled for this, or voted down - there is visual photographic evidence in relation to the plane which impacted to south tower, which suggest rather emphatically, that is was NOT the originating flight 175, in other words a military retrofit drone commercial Boeing plane, even some type of Tanker even though the actaul Boeing tankers were not yet at the manufacuring stage. This is turn would have been operating from within the smokescreen grid of the 9/11 war games ops, one of which just happened to suddenly go LIVE.

I'm more concerned with the historical record getting straightened out, than being voted down or ridiculed for saying what I believe is very clear, crystal clear in the case of the actual occurance of the complete and total near free fall destruction of those buildings.
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To quote from your post

To be sure, Shaffer and everyone else involved in Able Danger need to testify under Oath. And as i noted above, according to official sources, "ABLE DANGER was a planning effort, tasked to SOCOM by JCS. The task was to identify and target Al Qaeda on a global basis and, using advanced technology (data mining; massive parallel processing; complex algorithmic refining tools, etc) and enhanced visualization tools, present options for leaders (national command authority) to manipulate, degrade or destroy Al Qaeda."

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Manipulate al Queda.. hmmm..

But to what end?

Perhaps I cannot connect all the dots, but an operation like that, with the data continually getting scrubed again and again, during the lead up years to 9/11, which involved counter terrorist intelligence gathering - surely sounds to me like one piece of the puzzle by which the hijackers could be identified and their movements watched very carefully, the info getting scrubbed perhaps each time it was absorbed and integrated by the appropriate people ie: the perps fo 9/11.

It was a super secret black op designed to locate an Able Danger, and track it, and gather info, some of which could be used as a tool for al Queda menipulation...

Cough - but of course none of this is connected to the how and what of 9/11 as an "inside job" and MIHOP (which simply means "made it happen on purpose"). I have to say Jon Gold that your comment about that, about not even acknowleding either LIHOP or MIHOP as having any meaning - is odd coming from a researcher like you (no I'm not suggesting your "cointelpro" only that I find it strange.

I try to be reasonable. How I'm to be led to believe that Able Danger didn't play a role however direct or peripherally, in the eventual "Big Wedding" or the eventual point in time where the intersecting paths of both the hijackers and the actual black op (9/11) met, the term used by one of the hijackers in an intercepted communications from the final days leading up to the big day?

How was it not a conduit of information gathering on what would become the patsy infrastructure which the false falg event required by neccessity, to function as the "historical myth" (Zelikow) in history?

I'm at a loss - I realize what I've been saying has been somewhat speculative and ill informed, but how am I to AVOID making the connection between Able Danger and 9/11 the False Falg Black-op Psy-op, as it occured on September 11th, 2001.

I don't know but I think that Sherlock Holms would have a few things to say in this thread..

Like am I an idiot for drawing such a line from Able Danger to the False Flag event? I don't think so.

Why am I being told to ignore this connection or pretend that such a connection cannot be made - what's with you guys?

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I don't...

Use the "false left/right paradigm" of the 9/11 Truth Movement (LIHOP/MIHOP) because it is just as divisive as the "false left/right paradigm" that has been used to divide the masses of this country (left/right/liberal/conservative/Democrat/Republican). I don't use it because it was created by the insane Nico Haupt. I don't use it because people outside of the movement have no idea what it means, and thinks it sounds "crazy." I don't use it because I can admit I don't know exactly what happened on 9/11, but I do know who have earned the title of suspect for the crime of 9/11.


Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? The facts speak for themselves.

You say...

"The very operation (Able Danger) that he was spearheading, was utilized to ENSURE that the 9/11 black-op/psy-op could be faciliated," and that's a theory, not fact, and I don't think he would appreciate the accusation that he "was complicit in the worst act of mass murder in modern history."

That's not exactly how you make friends. Also, your questions about the buildings is irrelevant. Listen to what Cindy Sheehan has to say with regards to having an overall purpose, and the ability to agree to disagree about specifics.


Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? The facts speak for themselves.

In such matters, as grave as this

making friends is irrelevant. We just want the truth.

I have to confess that I have not fully researched Able Danger, but from what I have seen and heard about it, it is plainly obvious to me what it's purpose was.

Perhaps, their tracking of these guys like Atta and the others, was ITSELF hijacked, whereby people like Shaffer were themselves getting stung within the framework of some sort of double reverse black op intelligence operation, but I think that would be pushing it, and again I am reminded of the name of it..Able Danger. Relative to what was allowed to happen and yes made to happen on purpose thereafter. certainly brings that operation into question, and whoever might have been involved in it. Context and framing is everything. It isn't too hard to see what I'm driving at.

First you have to draw the patsies in, follow them around, infiltrate them, maybe train them, set them up with appartments with certain FBI friends, etc. and then know with high precision timing, all their moves, in particular the timing of their operation for "The Big Wedding" of unspeakable abomination.

Maybe he's nothing but an unwitting victim of the intelligence apparatus he worked for - and didn't he mention that in the wake of 9/11 he was tasked to Afghanistan..?

Just because the guy SEEMS nice and genuine, does not mean that he was not either directly or indirectly complicit.

This isn't about making friends Jon, you gotta be kidding me?

Also, I'd say than in terms of specifics - specifically, the twin towers were BLOWN UP, with explosives, that is self evident, regardless of what some people might want to believe or cannot accept.

10th graders, from generation to generation and from age to age will prove it, time and time again, armed with nothing but a few basic equations, a stopwatch and some Youtube videos, or in whatever form those videos are preserved, in perpetuity.

All that said, thanks for all you do and have done for our movement Jon. It's important, but don't let guys like this Shaffer dude draw you into pushing a limited hangout.
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I think maybe...

You should come to Betsy Metz's conference on March 6th and 7th at the Valley Forge Convention Center in Valley Forge, PA, and listen to what Tony Shaffer has to say, and maybe ask him a few questions politely, and in a non-confrontational sort of way.


Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? The facts speak for themselves.

In fairness Jon

I suppose that it's at least in the realm of possible, however improbable, that there was no connection of any kind between Able Danger and the LIHOP=>MIHOP intelligence gathering operations which MUST have enveloped and moved along with the patsy hijackers as they were prepped for the day of The Big Wedding (I presume you know about that intercept, who's release pissed off Dick Cheney to no end..)

But what I see with Shaffer is historical spin doctoring directed towards a limited hangout and a watered down LIHOP, which, again to be fair, still amounts to a conspiracy to committ mass murder, since to consciously and knowingly and willfully allow something like that to happen with full knowledge, is in effect to MAKE it happen on purpose.

You do "get" what I'm driving at here I'm sure - like I said, just think it through all the way within the contextual framework of everything now known.
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I know...

It well. I don't acknowledge the terms LIHOP and MIHOP. I used to think there was something "devious" to Able Danger. I have however since learned that it is incriminating, and helps our overall cause. The 9/11 Truth Movement needs to be honest with itself in that we don't know exactly what happened on 9/11. Here is my archive on Able Danger.


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Curt Weldon on Shaffer and the 9/11 Commission

"Representative Weldon spoke to reporters about information on Al Qaeda. He discussed his investigation into a secret military intelligence unit known as Able Danger. Members of the organization had said they identified Al Qaeda operatives more than a year before the September 11 attacks. Congresman Weldon said that the Defense Intelligence Agency was covering up knowledge of the information by smearing Able Danger members including Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Shaffer. Following his remarks, he responded to questions and comments from the reporters."

Video of C Weldon explaining how the 9/11 Commission is a cover up and the Pentagon is gunning for Shaffer for being a Whistleblower.
Shaffer deserves our support....sorry he ruins the idea some have that hijackers don't exist....
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/189839-1

Perhaps the strangest aspect of this..

is that Shaffer and others will surely read this blog and discussion..!

How the world has changed thanks to the Internet - may history also change, to bring about a transformation, not in military affairs, but in human affairs..
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I really hope not...


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Here's what happens to Whistleblowers

Loose Nuke said..."To be sure, Shaffer and everyone else involved in Able Danger need to testify under Oath."

Yup, and that's exactly what Shaffer tried to do. He went to the Commission because he had information that he thought they should know if they were in fact going to tell "the Story" of 9/11, but he found out they were nothing more than a cover up. He is indeed a legitmate whistleblower. And what happens to whistleblowers...

"Shaffer is being abused and used as a scapegoat. If they (the DIA) can ruin Shaffer, they can silence the story," Weldon stated.

"Weldon stated to Congress that the DIA has "gagged the military officers." They cannot speak truth to Congresspersons. They cannot tell the facts to the press. Further, the DIA has set their aim on destroying the reputation and life of Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Shaffer."

"They have engineered a precise smear campaign against Shaffer so as to leave him ruined. They have taken from Shaffer his security clearance, his salary, health care benefits for himself and children. They took away his security clearance one day before he was to "testify before the Senate Committee on the Judiciary, in uniform."

Two days "before the attack (Able Danger) was screaming not to let the USS Cole come into the harbor at Yemen because they knew something was about to happen."

"For that, and the ruination of Shaffer’s reputation, Weldon holds the DIA on the same par as dictatorships down through history and around the world. He exposes the DIA as anti-freedom, anti-democracy, anti-American."
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2005/swank102105.htm

And who is assisting the DIA in smearing Whistleblowers?........

Robert Rice said...."What we need are more whistleblowers to start coming out of the woodwork."

Sure...and when they do..........

Robert Rice said...."I see him as a type of spin doctor.......I don't trust him, nor support him or his CIA vetted book release.......So it's eery I think to hear an actual participant in 9/11 being interviewed by AJ and hailed as some sort of advocate for our movement for real and authentic 9/11 disclosure."

Flicker said..."Frankly, I’m pretty sick of people like Shaffer and the demonic United States Military in general. I'm tired of pretending fast talkers like this are heroes."

influence device said... "I am naturally deeply suspicious of Shaffer. I'd like to see this guy properly interrogated."

Stewart Howe said......"This complicit rat is only dancing around the outskirts of what he was party too because he has to.....perhaps more can be extracted from a scoundrel like shaffer by playing along to some degree.....now that he thinks he can get away with his evasive spin BS, and will have his feet put to the fire next time. This guy needs to be dealt with, without the gloves on."

marzi said......"Shaffer needs to name more names of the military planners involved in 9/11 otherwise he's just disingenuous."

Robert Rice said "I doubt very much that "Able Danger" was a true counter-terrorist intelligence operation of the authentic variety, which again, would imply his direct involvement in serving to set the stage for Zelikow's and PNAC's new Pearl Harbor event."

Robert Rice said..."your friend was complicit in the worst act of mass murder in modern history, it matters not how smart, eloquent and seemingly "nice" and genuine he may appear."

keymanwst said "That's Shaffer. He's not Letting It Happen, he's Making It Happen. That's MIHOP."

keymanwst said..."I see no courage in what Shaffer says."

Robert Rice said....."I have to confess that I have not fully researched Able Danger, but from what I have seen and heard about it, it is plainly obvious to me what it's purpose was."

Robert Rice said...."Just because the guy SEEMS nice and genuine, does not mean that he was not either directly or indirectly complicit....... It's important, but don't let guys like this Shaffer dude draw you into pushing a limited hangout."

influence device said...."Jim, you can't expect everyone here to share your patriotic love of the US military."

So, I guess you haven't figured out that pissed off former and current Military members who "wake up" are far more of a threat to the corrupt power structure than peaceniks meeting at the local Starbux every Thursday. Smedley Butler was a Major General in the U.S. Marine Corps and, at the time of his death was the most decorated Marine in U.S. history."

"In addition to his military career, Smedley Butler was noted for his outspoken criticism of US military adventurism, and his 1935 book War is a Racket."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler

I assume you're not a big fan of the Military Industrial Complex? That term was coined by a former Military General named Eisenhower when he warned about it in his farewell address.....and maybe take a look at a book called "Don't Start The Revolution Without Me" written by a former Special Ops wearer of the "demonic U.S. MIlitary Uniform" named Jesse Ventura.

A very compelling case has been made in this thread for why Whistleblowers should not come forward. Congratulations, I hope you think you've accompliced something. Perhaps, some of you at some point will realize that in just that one interview Lt Col Shaffer did more for the cause you claim to support,,,, "the truth about 9/11", than any detractors posting on this thread.

Agreed.

It's an embarrassment.


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Hey big guy!

"They have taken from Shaffer his security clearance, his salary, health care benefits.."

Is this tale of woe supposed to tug at my heart strings?

'blah blah.. Smedley Butler ... blah blah .. President Eisenhower .. blah blah .. Jesse Ventura .. blah blah.. '

What is the relevance of all this? That no one knew 'war is a racket' before knucklehead Butler took time out from killing people to grow a pair and partially denounce his sordid mercenary past? That Ventura never stops fascinating people with his 'Seal days'? I suppose war fosters technological progress too? And saves the children?

"A very compelling case has been made in this thread for why Whistleblowers should not come forward. "

What exactly is this 'compelling case'?

"Perhaps, some of you at some point will realize that in just that one interview Lt Col Shaffer did more for the cause you claim to support..."

So far Shaffer has done almost nothing to further the things I support. His highly paid career as a minion of your sorry ass government was (like those of his peers) a stinking disgrace. His team's supposed 'incompetence' failed to stop the 911 patsies. It says a lot that you find it intolerable that people don't entirely trust him.

Please don't try and foist your fondness for men in uniform on everyone else.

Your obsession with "Men in Uniform"

influence device said... "They have taken from Shaffer his security clearance, his salary, health care benefits.."

"Is this tale of woe supposed to tug at my heart strings?"

Anyone with even a low level of Intelligence would realize that he paid a price for telling the truth, as compared with you, which as far as I can tell, hide behind a keyboard typing irrellevant insults on subjects you don't know much about.

influence device said..."'blah blah.. Smedley Butler ... blah blah .. President Eisenhower .. blah blah .. Jesse Ventura .. blah blah.. '

"What is the relevance of all this? That no one knew 'war is a racket' before knucklehead Butler took time out from killing people to grow a pair and partially denounce his sordid mercenary past? That Ventura never stops fascinating people with his 'Seal days'?

Again showing the level of intelligence of the poster......None of these people are "evil". They are however people proven to be willing to fight and die for what they consider just cause. The kind of people not yourself, but someone with more intelligence would want on their side. Military personal themselves are not inherently evil, however a demented "Commander in Chief" could use these forces in evil ways, and some will wake up to that and turn on their masters, but you just can't figure that out can you?

influence device said.."A very compelling case has been made in this thread for why Whistleblowers should not come forward. "

"What exactly is this 'compelling case'?"

Just can't figure it out huh Sherlock? Keep working the case, maybe get a friend to help you out, if you have one.

influence device said..."Perhaps, some of you at some point will realize that in just that one interview Lt Col Shaffer did more for the cause you claim to support..."

"So far Shaffer has done almost nothing to further the things I support. His highly paid career as a minion of your sorry ass government was (like those of his peers) a stinking disgrace. His team's supposed 'incompetence' failed to stop the 911 patsies. It says a lot that you find it intolerable that people don't entirely trust him."

And in keeping with the lacking of intelligence theme......it wasn't his teams "incompetence", it was his teams competence.....that would be the opposite...of what you are saying. His team was competent in finding these hijackers cells in America, he thought it might be a good idea to let the FBI take it from there, but his commanding officers nixed that idea and took him off the team. If you were a bit more rational and objective and did a little research you would know this.

influence device said..."Please don't try and foist your fondness for men in uniform on everyone else."

Is this supposed to imply I have homosexual tendancies? Or is this actually a hint as to why these military uniforms disturb you so? Were you denied entry before don't ask don"t tell? Is that what this is really about? All I can do is guess since I've never "foisted fondness for men in uniform," this is coming from your mindset. Again, all I can do is guess.

i don't think so.

actually this whole discussion does not shine a bad light on the research work going on.. it is an honest discussion with the evidence weighing upon those connecting the dots, and our acceptance of them, to at least consider where the evidence is leading..

it is not being right or wrong.. but giving truth a chance to set us free.. and not excluding any of it. FN is delighted to link to this significant post in questioning Able Danger and Mohamed Atta as a US government agent.

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I'm glad I raised the issues I raised

although I may have gone a little too far in proclaiming speculation as fact.

Here's what I think:

I think Able Danger WAS in fact "sinister" very much so, and was almost certainly THE intelligence gathering operation which helped serve to identy, infiltrate and control the al Queda assets. As Shaffer himself said "if not us then who?" implying there was nothing else, no other secret military intelligence gathering operations focused on Atta and his crew.

HOWEVER - given the backlash against Shaffer, it would certainly appear that he was unwittingly and unknowingly, doing the dirty work of the actual perpetrators and organizers of 9/11, whereby, once the info was developed and digested, it (his intel) was scrubbed, and ultimately, the whole operation was to be scrubbed and shut down, once it had done it's job, and that's when he was told to leave it alone and that it was not his job any more..

So I think I was both right to say that Able Danger was in fact a very sinister operation with a very direct connection to the formation of the 9/11 black op, but wrong to suggest that Shaffer is anything other than what he presents himself as - and so he can blow the whistle, a bit, but only to the degree that it highlights a catastrophic intelligence failure, so as to maintain and uphold Zelikow's historical myth - and of course that's also the reason why it was completely excluded from the myth, since it proves detailed knowledge and tracking of the hijackers, long before September 11th, 2001 ie: LIHOP.

So he could have been just doing his job, compartmentalized and completely unaware as to his operation's hidden agenda, which WAS to develop the false falg cover-story aspect, the myth, of 9/11.

So I apologize if for any reason I mischaracterized Shaffer, but I make no apologies for raising some valid points about the nature of the Able Danger Operation in relation to the 9/11 event, or even for speculating about it and discussing it, but like I said I may have gone a bit too far in my preliminary conclusions regarding Shaffer's "purposes".

But this analysis, what I just offered in this post, feels "congruent" and seems to jive with all the information. So that's my last thought on it, I hope someone might at least consider it...?

And there is a fine line to this story which rides between the LIHOP and MIHOP elements, which btw is nothing buit an ACRONYM for "let it happen on purpose" and "made it happen on purposes" and has nothing to do with any "divide and conquor left/right paradigm" (eyeroll) and it was a term coined not by Haupt (yes a crazyman wierdo) but by Eric Haufschmidt (not much better).

And the only embarassing thing about this thread and the whole issue, is how plainly obvious the crime is, and that nothing has been done about it, nothing at all, and no investigation - leaving nothing but a myth - that is the disgrace, not me for raising valid issues and always questioning.

In fact, Able Danger, everything about it, may be key to understanding how the 9/11 black-op was developed and executed and Shaffer would have much to teach us about it - or will we just ge the CIA vetted version..?

But there's no doubt he was hung out to dry and given a hard time, and imo, that is his saving grace - so I hereby retract my comments Mr. Shaffer about being complicit in mass murder, and Jon, if this thread did by chance come to his attension, please pass along my sincere apology. Thanks.

Regards,

RR
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How it Ended

Who pulled the plug on Able Danger? It was pulled when the PNAC boys who needed a new Pearl Harbor came to Power.....

"GSN:
Okay, after the 2000 presidential elections, the Bush administration comes into power in January of 2001. How, if at all, does that change anything that Able Danger is doing? Do you get new guidance? Do you have a new hope that someone will listen to you? Is there a new round of proposals to get the information out to the FBI? What happens when President Bush takes over?"

"SHAFFER:
At one point in time, the then Director of Operations [for the DIA] had me come in and brief him on a series of operations. This was February /March 2001. This general said, “I want you to explain to me every one of your operations in detail.” So, I started going through the laundry list of each operation and describing it to him."

"From moment one, it was a bad conversation. It was like, “Well, I don’t agree. Well, I don’t agree. Well, I don’t agree.” So, he basically was saying all the operational focus that I had been required to focus on by the previous leadership, by Colonel Harding, was not something he wanted to pursue. No matter how much common sense, no matter how much reason I tried to use with him, it seemed to be an emotional issue with him."

"GSN:
Did you take that as his personal philosophy or was that somehow reflective of a larger administration view?"

SHAFFER:
"I can’t answer that question because some of these operations were driven by the Office of Secretary of Defense. They were telling him that we needed to do them."

"GSN:
How do you explain his objections to your various activities?"

"SHAFFER:
I can only speak to the facts. His opinion was, “That’s not part of your job.” As he walked through things, he kept saying, “I don’t see this as your job. This should be done by someone else.”

"It came to the point where we brought up Able Danger, where I was explaining the operation to him -- as you know it now, plus more -- and he looked at me and he said “Well, Tony, that’s not your job.”

"I said, “Well, sir, with all due respect, this is an important operation focused on the global Al Qaeda target,” and he said, “You’re not hearing me, Tony. This is not your job.”

“Well, sir, this is basically using human methodology, combined with data mining to…”

“Tony, you’re not listening to me. This is not your job.”

“Sir, this is important, I think…”

“Tony, I’m the two star here. I’m the two star. I’m telling you I don’t want you doing anything with Able Danger.”

“Sir, if not us then who?”

“I don’t know, but it’s not your job.”

"And that effectively ended my direct support and my unit’s support to Able Danger."

"GSN:
Did it end Able Danger altogether?"

"SHAFFER:
I think it contributed to the failure of it because by that point, Army had already pulled out and Special Operations Command, because of the political change there, had also changed their focus. I remember the last conversation I had with Captain Scott Philpott on this was a desperate call from him asking me to try to help use one of my operational facilities to at least try to exploit the information [Able Danger had collected] before it got lost."

"GSN:
What was the name of the general who said “No, this is not your job.”

"SHAFFER:
General Rod Isler."
http://web.archive.org/web/20070626165006/http://www.gsnmagazine.com/sep...

And what became of Isler?

"Rod Isler's Biography
Rod Isler Vice President and General Manager, Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Systems Rod Isler is vice president and general manager for the Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Systems division at General Dynamics Advanced Information Systems. Integrated Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance provides end-to-end system solutions to meet the warfighter and intelligence requirements of the Department of Defense, the intelligence community, and international mission partners."

"Before joining General Dynamics, Isler served as the director of operations for the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) within the Department of Defense. Isler also served as the associate director of the Central Intelligence for Military Support at the Central Intelligence Agency and as the associate deputy director for operations (military support) at the National Security Agency."
http://www.spoke.com/info/p7wVNBm/RodIsler

So..

he was only following orders huh?

He could have been compartmentalized

on the other side of the line, it's entirely possible.

But Able Danger reveals that line and it does connect directly with the 9/11 black op, can't not. For God's sake we're not idiots here.
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I'll let Shaffer prove which side he is on

going forward..

Looks like Shaffer has a blog

His blog?

How did you come to the conclusion this was Shaffer's blog?

It's not his blog.


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