Jon Gold on DisInfo and Coming Together
The Roberts Report
Jan. 11th, 2010
By Cheri Roberts - 9/11 Truther Cyberzine
A message to the Choir from Jon Gold about Disinfo and Coming Together
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Celebrating the 5 year anniversary of his Blog YBBS (http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/index.php) activist writer Jon Gold joined me today on the Roberts Report. After years of diligent effort Mr. Gold reaches out to the 9/11 Truth movement as a whole and calls for fellow activists to step up to the plate. The Truth is we want a new investigation, other than that, we don’t know the Truth and Jon Gold would like us to remember that.
We discussed debunker sites, dis-info participants, and their followers- who may genuinely be misinformed or fooled while agreeing it is important to know what your adversaries have to say in order to overcome their damage. Listing ways we can approach them, Jon believes we could gradually bring them into the fold without allowing a platform for disinformation.
Best known for his article The Facts Speak for Themselves, Gold details 50 irrefutable facts for Truthers to utilize in their everyday arsenal. These facts such, no theory needs to be endorsed nor discussed when talking to people about the unTruths of what happened that day and what to do about it.
Mr. Gold is a huge supporter of the Jersey Girls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_Girls)
and the Kyle Hence documentary 911 Press for Truth (http://www.911pressfortruth.com/). Additionally he is a strong voice in support of all the Responders of September 11th (http://www.fealgoodfoundation.com/) who have been left behind in their struggle with life and death.
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If you believe we will ever get a truly impartial investigation
then you don't understand how corrupt the entire system is. Do you know the number of people who have been killed to suppress truth of all kinds? The number of heads of state who have succumbed to threats and bribes to do the bidding of corporate America? The complete subversion of the mainstream media? The billions of dollars spent on PR and spin to brainwash the population? The number of progressive writers who have been pressured (evidently) to support the OCT? Even the number of formerly productive truth researchers who now spend most of their energy supporting various aspects of the OCT (such as yes, there were Muslim hijackers, and yes, a plane did hit the Pentagon) -- Jim Hoffman being the most notable example?
To my mind, Jon is urging us to take a dangerously passive approach that will allow lies to grow while truth withers.
The heroes of this movement are those who do their own investigating, who give allegiance only to the truth, and then tell others what they have learned: Craig Ranke, Aldo Marquis, David Ray Griffin, Rob Balsamo, Aidan Monaghan, Matt Sullivan.
I'd be interested to hear exactly how you think this new investigation is going to happen, and how it is going to escape the effects of bribery, blackmail and death threats.
Sheila...
You really don't know what happened on 9/11... just so you know... you need to admit that, otherwise you're being dishonest with yourself, and everyone else you interact with with regards to 9/11. Jim Hoffman does not support the OCT, and I think it's disingenuous of you to state that he does. He does not promote theories that have a multitide of contradictions to them like you and others do, and he especially doesn't promote them as fact like you and others do.
You don't know what kind of investigating I have done over the years. Making phone calls, corresponding through email, etc... I hear about the kind of "investigating" some of those you mentioned have done, and to see you proclaim them as "heroes" is really laughable. When have they ever supported the families in their endeavors? When have they ever supported the responders in their endeavors? I could find you 1000 threads from me supporting both. I doubt you'd be able to find one from any of them.
I understand all too well how corrupt the "entire system is." If you actually listened to the interview, you would have heard me say that the reason I am taking part in "Peace Of The Action" is because I have tried to bring justice and accountability for the 9/11 attacks for almost 8 years and have had no success doing so using the "system."
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? The facts speak for themselves.
We are commiting genocide against Muslims in the middle east
In the face of that, sorry, but the deaths of a couple thousand Americans are all but irrelevant.
According to this site, 1,366,350 Iraqis have died as a result of our invasion, compared to 2,974 deaths on 9/11. 9/11 is important not because of the deaths caused that day, but because of the five hundred times greater -- and counting -- number of deaths it was used to justify -- and that is just in Iraq alone, not counting Pakistan and Afghanistan.
To believe that one American life is worth more than 500 Muslim lives is, Jon, frankly racist.
I can see the results of your "investigations" on this site, and I see that you have a lot to learn.
I'm sorry you think...
The brutal murders of 2,973 people that has never had a real criminal investigation is irrelevant. As for your stats about deaths taking place as a result of the event of 9/11, I suggest you read this to understand just how much I know about the "Post-9/11 World."
Insinuating that I am a racist is uncalled for, and quite frankly, I wish the people that run this site would ban you immediately, and if they don't, then quite frankly, I have to question the intentions of those who do run this site. Allowing charletans, and sockpuppets free reign on this site is a disgrace.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? The facts speak for themselves.
so you do believe that 1 American matters more than 500 Iraqis?
What would you call that, if not racism?
Do you think that the 1,366,350 Iraqis that we've killed did not die brutally? Have their deaths have a real investigation?
ALL life...
Is precious... WHY do you think I have been fighting this cause for as long as I have? Because I like to see people murdered based on a lie? Are you insane? What is your purpose Sheila? I have clearly stated too many times to count how much I want the wars to end, and that exposing the 9/11 Cover-Up has the power to do that. I just spent the last few nights working on the "Peace Of The Action" website because I am taking part in that action to END the wars. Seriously... what is your purpose here?
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? The facts speak for themselves.
You say that Craig Ranke is not a hero because his work isn't...
...about grieving Americans. I say what he is doing -- exposing the most incriminating evidence we have yet, which is bombs at the Pentagon -- is more important, more valuable, and wlll benefit the movement more, than a focus on the infintesimal percentage of the total dead who happen to live in our own country.
Do me a favor Glenn...
Don't tell me who my heroes are...
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? The facts speak for themselves.
Then why are you bashing my heroes?
Like Ranke, Marquis, Balsamo, Griffin, Monaghan?
Unless you want more dead people and more grieving families, best get behind these brave warriors for truth.
I noticed, Jon, that you never answered my question, posed above:
I'd be interested to hear exactly how you think this new investigation is going to happen, and how it is going to escape the effects of bribery, blackmail and death threats.
If you'll notice Glenn...
I didn't name names during my interview, or on this thread. If you are concerned about whether or not the individuals you mentioned are disinformationists, or perceived as such, then you need to take that up with them.
I don't know how a new investigation is going to happen. As was mentioned, the "system" doesn't work, and that's why I'm taking part in the "Peace Of The Action" because "there's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious—makes you so sick at heart—that you can't take part. You can't even passively take part. And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop. And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all."
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? The facts speak for themselves.
"...to see you proclaim them as "heroes" is really laughable.."
Jon, you wrote in this comment
"I hear about the kind of "investigating" some of those you mentioned have done, and to see you proclaim them as "heroes" is really laughable."
You now say "I didn't name names."
But you are bashing my heroes nonetheless. They are brave, amazing men, who didn't have to get involved in this. It didn't kill any members of their own families, yet they have worked tirelessly to advance truth and justice. Yet you read my comments and think I am proposing that they are "disinformationists?"
I'm just curious, did anyone else read what I said about Ranke, Marquis, Griffin, Monaghan, Balsamo and Sullivan and think I am "concerned about whether or not the individuals (I) mentioned are disinformationists"?
Yeah, what's up with this
Yeah, what's up with this "Glenn"?
Sheila Casey exposed again
Says Ranke, and his fruit loop flyover is more important than the 3000 dead Americans killed on 9/11.
Sheila Casey exposed
Sheila Casey said...."sorry, but the deaths of a couple thousand Americans are all but irrelevant."
These "irrelevant deaths" are the reason for the additional 5000 or so American Servicemen deaths, that you no doubt also consider irrelevant, along with the hundereds of thousands if not millions of other deaths, that you have decided merrit relevance.
I suggest we keep Sheila's thought's on the victims of 9/11 in mind every time she makes a post.
"the deaths of a couple thousand Americans are all but irrelevant."-- 9/11 truth activist Sheila Casey
Please do Jim! But use the full thought:
"We are commiting genocide against Muslims in the middle east. In the face of that, sorry, but the deaths of a couple thousand Americans are all but irrelevant."
Yes, Jim, include that line each and every time you refer to me. Everyone needs to know about the genocide, and that 500 Iraqis have been killed for each American that died on 9/11. Kind of puts things in perspective, doesn't it?
What's up?
Thanks for the perspective, but the cause of 9/11 truth is indispensable to the antiwar cause, no matter how stubborn many antiwar, anti-imperialist activists are on that point. In general, the line of rhetoric used above is characteristic of activists from the pro-OCT wing of the antiwar movement. Remembering the vicitims of the 9/11 attacks, and seeking to uncover the real culprits, is part of what motivates us--true. But I, for one, would never have gotten involved in this movement if I did not understand that exposing the 9/11 Big Lie is of the utmost importance in disempowering and bringing down the warmakers.
And it's clear to me, from her posts in other threads, that Sheila does understand the importance of exposing false-flag events (for example, I was very glad to have the information re the framing of Bruce Ivins for the anthrax attacks which she forwarded to this site back in late summer of 2008). So it's been very puzzling to me to see the tack taken in this thread.
It may be hazardous to guess or interpret, but I will venture to do so nonetheless:
It isn't really so much the QUANTITY of Middle Eastern Muslim deaths relative to U.S. deaths that is at issue here; but rather the QUALITY of any investigation which she apparently believes we are likely to get--one which might content itself to peel away at certain outer layers of the official story, but which would still allow for no substantial modification from the 'Muslims did it' storyline--even as that storyline continues to buttress U.S.-inflicted killing of Muslims in the Middle East.
This I agree with you on for
This I agree with you on for sure.
"It's not a cause, it's a crime scene" Cheri Roberts
You agree...
I'm a racist? Ugh...
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? The facts speak for themselves.
It's about.....
the million+ Iraqis we've killed. It seems that's what CR is acknowledging. We can never be reminded of that enough(!!)....and it's ridiculous for someone to try to distort what SC was saying, by quoting half of her statement!
Do me a favor M...
And don't talk to me like I haven't spent more time than most people on this site promoting the plight of Afghanis, Iraqis, and Pakistanis. Thanks.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? The facts speak for themselves.
ridiculous
M said..."and it's ridiculous for someone to try to distort what SC was saying, by quoting half of her statement!"
Stop pretending we're idiots that aren't aware that people die in wars. Try as best you can to justify the statement that the dead on 9/11 are irrelevant. They're not, and to suggest they are is what is ridiculous.
Yes
I agree about the genecide...I wasn't agreeing with anything else Jon.
"It's not a cause, it's a crime scene" Cheri Roberts
Thank you for the clarification...
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? The facts speak for themselves.
Wow
The real heroes of this movement are the family members, first responders, whistleblowers, and ACTUAL researchers like Paul Thompson, Steven Jones, Michael C. Ruppert, Kevin Ryan, Jim Hoffman, John Judge...
Your post is an appalling example of how misguided some people have become in regards to 9/11 truth.
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The key to successful truth actions lies in not insulting your target audience or promoting speculation as hard fact.
Being a victim doesn't make you a hero
If that were true, then every one of the 1,366,350 innocent Iraqis killed as a result of our invasion is a hero, right?
Sheila
Kindly point out where I stated that being a victim makes you a hero, unless you're just trolling, then forget it.
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The key to successful truth actions lies in not insulting your target audience or promoting speculation as hard fact.
Yea...
That's pretty much what she's doing... defending those who don't deserve it, making insuations about racism, that I have done nothing for this cause, and know nothing about 9/11... yea, she's pretty much a troll, and should be banned immediately.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? The facts speak for themselves.
Speaking out about being
Speaking out about being victimized does ;)
"It's not a cause, it's a crime scene" Cheri Roberts
Before I respond
Why not tell me what you stand for then wrt 9/11 truth and justice and what IS the common thread then?
???
I guess Sheila doesn't have an answer so no need for me to respond further.
Have a nice day all...Prof Peter Phillips of Project Censored and Richard Gage A.I.A. AE911Truth coming up later today.
"It's not a cause, it's a crime scene" Cheri Roberts