Barrie Zwicker: The Peace Movement versus the 9/11Truth movement
[Submitted to 911Blogger via email - LW]
Report from Boston
The Peace Movement versus the 9/11Truth movement
by Barrie Zwicker
What goes with the “split” between the anti-war movement and the 9/11Truth movement? Some light was shed on this regrettable reality in Boston the weekend of Jan. 30-31, 2010. On Saturday New England United (NEU), an umbrella group, held an anti-war strategy conference. The next day Northeast 9/11Truth held its strategy conference, in part an analysis of the previous day’s events.
As both a lifelong member of the peace movement, and a committed 9/11Truther, I attended all of the Saturday conference where I was a workshop leader, and the first half of the Sunday conference (having to leave early because of travel arrangements). My main points:
1) There is a split but it has not been initiated, nor is it maintained, by members of the 9/11Truth movement. Truthers stand just as proudly and tall in their opposition to war as anyone in the peace movement. Truthers also are just as fully dedicated to the goals of justice, equality and environmentalism as are anti-war activists.
2) The split is unilateral from the anti-war movement’s side, especially from leaders and organizers. Those at the grassroots level trust and take their cues from the leaders. The result is a widespread attitude toward 9/11Truth that ranges from scepticism to outright hostility. This is why I choose the heading “The Peace Movement versus the 9/11Truth Movement.”
3) A leading cause of the unilateral split is the work of planted agents of the state – spooks -- whose instructions are to do this splitting. The Chinese call such agents “splittists.” The peace movement has been around for decades, so there’s been loads of time for the national security state to install numerous agents within it. Added to their usual instructions to slyly foment divisiveness within peace groups and derail effective anti-war actions are new orders to combat the dynamic truth movement.
Point 3 is tough, I know. But it’s an issue that must be confronted and in no way should be taken as an across-the-board slam at all members of the peace movement. I am not alone in my assessment. At the Sunday Truthers conference the first topic was “How explain the resistance to 9/11Truth in the peace movement?” Paul Zarembka, Professor of Economics at the University of Buffalo and editor of The Hidden History of 9/11, offered four reasons. His first: “agents and gatekeepers among us.” Sander Hicks, author of The Big Wedding: 9/11, the Whistleblowers, and the Cover-Up, offered seven reasons. His first: “The state, COINTELPRO.”
Of course, activities by state infiltrators do not completely explain the split. Other reasons include fears of all kinds, ignorance of history, a powerful culture of militaristic nationalism in the USA and the largest reason everywhere, the treasonous complicity of corporate mainstream media and almost all so-called alternative media. They conspire in de facto censorship, deliberate avoidance of investigative reporting plus psychological warfare against the Truth movement.
These explanations for denial of or hostility to 9/11Truth also apply to the population at large and across issues. Peter Phillips is a professor of sociology at Sonoma State University in California, president of the Media Freedom Foundation/Project Censored and serves on the 9/11Truth steering committee. Phillips and Mickey Huff in a recent article state: “An international truth emergency, now in evidence, is the result of a lack of fact based, transparent, and truthful reporting on fraudulent elections, compromised 9/11 investigations, illegal pre-emptive wars, compounded by top down corporate media propaganda across the spectrum on public issues.” They add: “Consumers of corporate news media—especially those whose understandings are framed primarily from that medium alone—are embedded in a state of excited delirium of knowinglessness.”
In my estimation the black operations of government moles are a key reason for the malfeasance of the media as well as the main explanation for the peace movement’s antagonism against 9/11Truth. The undoubted existence of undercover operatives and agents provocateurs has not been discussed nearly to the extent justified. A major elevation of this topic is ‘way overdue.
Followers in the anti-war movement “do not realize,” as Paul Craig Roberts wrote Sept. 15th, 2009, in Information Clearing House, “that by accepting the [government’s] 9/11 explanation they have undermined their own opposition to the war. Once you accept that Muslim terrorists did it, it is difficult to oppose punishing them for the event. [Anti-war activists] do not understand that if you grant the government its premise for war, it is impossible to oppose the war.”
It’s tough to prove agentry. Agents do not “out” themselves. Covert activity is their game. Deception and betrayal are their tools. Other approaches, however, are available to spot spooks. “By their fruits ye shall know them” is helpful. When ostensible peaceniks committed to peace and democracy engage in name-calling, we are entitled to ask whether they are simply individuals lacking civility and self-control, or are individuals deliberately causing tensions. When those who “study peace” have had eight years to invest just an hour or two looking into the overwhelming evidence that the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot possibly be true, and have failed to do so, we are entitled to theorize beyond the explanation that we are simply “puzzled.” When members of the peace movement avow that they are committed to truth, justice and peace but fail in their commitment to truth in connection with 9/11 -- arguably the most pivotal war-triggering event of modern times – we’re entitled to question the authenticity of their commitment. It would be insulting to explain their shortcoming as due to stupidity. And if the explanation is ignorance, after eight years during which all persons interested in current affairs must have encountered evidence of 9/11Truth, it must be in most cases some variation of wilful ignorance.
Consider how easy it is for agents of the state to operate. First, the state has virtually unlimited resources for recruiting, training and deploying agents. Second, agents have no legal or moral restraints. They act with complete impunity. (It’s gratifying that there now is an International Coalition Against Impunity, www.icaihokok.org). Volunteer organizations are easy as pie to infiltrate. All it takes is a trained sneak with a believable “legend” to lie his or her way into the confidence of the group.
The world of “guerrilla marketing” provides examples of the ease with which groups can be manipulated. A vodka company identifies heavy vodka drinkers -- those who already drink their brand and others they entice to try it. The drinkers are all friends together. The heavy users are “opinion leaders.” By their drink orders at bars they are “role models” who trigger others to order the same brand they do. It’s called peer group pressure. Even more effective is a conscious agent following sophisticated instructions in swaying a peer group.
There was an illuminating lead-up to the conference of New England United. Only after months-long effective lobbying by an indefatigable member of Northeast 9/11Truth did NEU organizers agree that a person identified with the 9/11Truth movement could be one of four panelists in the afternoon. This was Peter Dale Scott, former Canadian diplomat, an English professor at the University of California in Berkeley and author of The Road to 9/11. Scott, whose work I much admire, in fact has drawn short of fully recognizing and endorsing the voluminous evidence that 9/11 was an inside job. Nevertheless, his acceptance at an anti-war gathering in 2010 was generally agreed to be a “breakthrough.”
It turned out that he had to cancel scant days before, as his wife took seriously ill. The Northeast Truthers proposed that, should an attempt to have Scott address the NEU conference by video-over-Skype fail, that I be the stand-in. The organizers rejected me (believe me, this account is not motivated by sour grapes) on the basis, after alleged “extensive research,” of my alleged “extreme rightwing” views and my alleged long and close association with historian and writer Webster Tarpley. He in turn was identified only as a LaRouchite. For anyone who knows me this description was bizarrely incorrect. If news of my “extreme rightwing views” reaches the Mounties it will puzzle the hell out of them.
As it turned out Scott’s addressing the audience in Boston from California via Skype worked. Relevant to this report, he made this comment: “This brings us to 9/11. […] before the last plane had crashed in Pennsylvania, the White House authorized the institution of so-called Continuity of Government [COG] changes. There is no doubt that COG was introduced – the 9/11 Report confirms it twice, on pages 38 and 326. And I have little doubt that the COG plans, still in force today under president Obama, are the justification for the surveillance agents who are with you in the room as I speak to you at this moment.”
The 300 or so attendees at the NEU conference studiously avoided the 9/11Truth literature table. Book sales are a key indicator of interest. I sold three of the 20 copies I had brought of my book Towers of Deception: The Media Cover-Up of 9/11 (fortunately the rest sold to Truthers the next day). Other Truther materials similarly were mainly passed by.
After the speakers of the Saturday morning panel had been heard, the floor was opened for questions. The first questioner was a young man in a green tee shirt. I’d say he was a plant. With reference to nothing any of the panelists had said, he claimed to be “disturbed” by “the logic” of the 9/11Truth movement, and asked the panelists what they thought. Glen Ford of the Glen Ford Black Agenda (radio) Report responded that “the inside job [theory] doesn’t fly” and that “we have all the dirt on what they [the oligarchy] [has] already done.” This garnered a great deal of enthusiastic applause, accompanied by a few boos. The next day Sander Hicks reported a conversation he had subsequently with Ford, who told him that he answered the question the way he did “out of deference to the organizers.”
Nevertheless, the workshop session entitled “Covert and False Flag Operations and 9/11: Pretext for the Continuing War on Terror” was standing room only with about 65 in attendance. My poll of those attending showed that only two believed the official 9/11 story. All the others raised their hands for “inside job.”
At the Sunday Northeast Truthers conference Hicks suggested that part of the reason for peace movement members’ antagonism to 9/11Truth is that they know they are the “fading sunset left” who have “lost the passion,” whereas the Truther movement is fresh and passionate. Along the same line of thought Frank Tolopko, producer of the bi-weekly radio program “The 9/11 Report” on WBCR in Great Barrington, Mass. suggested a fundamental reason that a left gatekeeper such as Amy Goodman would reject 9/11Truth is that she is promoting “a concept of bourgeois democracy that is over.” As I quoted Chris Hedges from his new book Empire of Illusion: the US form of governance has become “participatory fascism.” Goodman takes foundation money to promote democracy now on Democracy Now. Said Tolopko: “If the system can’t be reformed, if 9/11 is an inside job, then she’s out of a job. Goodman is terrified.”
Alphonse Olszewski of St. Louis, Missouri, founder of Veterans for 9/11Truth, knows the power of naming. One contribution he’s made to anti-splittism is renaming his group Veterans for 9/11 Truth, Peace and Justice. There cannot be peace without justice and there cannot be justice without truth. Anything that underscores the primacy of truth, in my view, is to the good. And anything that builds bridges of common understanding and respect between people of peace who understand the significance of the fraudulent nature of 9/11 and people of peace who have not yet connected that dot to the anti-war dot is to the good. I was gratified to see somewhere over the weekend that the admonition “speak truth to power” is outdated, because “power never listens.” The suggested update: “Challenge Power With Truth.”
For those members of the peace movement who are sincere, think for themselves, and are open, I can’t recommend too highly a videotape of a short talk given by Graeme MacQueen at the “We Demand Transparency” conference organized by Sander Hicks in New York City Sept. 12 and 13 of 2009. MacQueen is an associate professor in the Religious Studies Department and in Hamilton and former director of McMaster’s Centre for Peace Studies.
In concluding his talk, addressed to “not just people in the peace movement but everybody,” he said: “This is the worst time in history to inflame societies with the spirit of war; it is the worst time to be taken in by fraudulent trigger incidents, the most important time to reject the war system, and to co-operate with the rest of humanity to solve the grave ecological problems we face, which collectively threaten our civilization.” He went on to quote the testimony of a New York fireman, Kenneth Rogers. Rogers testified he looked directly at the collapsing towers on 9/11, hearing explosions and seeing evidence of them. “The reasons he saw things the others didn’t see,” MacQueen said, “is because he didn’t leave the scene and he didn’t turn his head away. He stood there and he looked at it and that’s all I’m asking members of the peace movement to do. Stop turning your head away; don’t flee the scene. Look at it, please.” The video can be found at http://www.boston911truth.org
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Thanks, Barrie!
I hope that everyone, especially those involved in public activism and outreach to the peace movement, will read this very important article, reflect on the key issues and participate in an ongoing dialogue on said issues, both here and with their local groups.
Our continuing success as a movement will draw more and more attention from those trying to maintain the cover-up. Ultimately, our success will depend on our understanding the tactics and techniques of infiltration, disruption and gatekeeping, and the effective countermeasures we will need to employ to neutralize them.
I think that this article is an excellent starting point for this critical discussion.
Thanks again, Barrie!
[Tomorrow I'm going to an anti-war organizing meeting for the March 20 demonstration in San Francisco]
The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.
Our strategy
"Our continuing success as a movement will draw more and more attention from those trying to maintain the cover-up."
We need to view this as a good thing. It demonstrates that our actions to date have been very effective. It is also forcing our opponents to come out from the shadows. Remember, we didn't go looking for them, they've come looking for us. This is a healthy arrangement for us and we should work to maintain this upper hand. IMO the best response is to ignore "disrupters" and "disinformants" as much as possible, which will force them to come out further into the light of day. Infiltrators have two main goals, IMO. One goal is to throw a wrench into the machine to slow our growth and create internal discord, the other is to provoke us into acts that will make us look dangerous. And they do this while attempting to protect their "cover." Confronting them protects their cover because they can stop right where they are and not have to expend more effort to get noticed or call in for back-up. But ignoring them and moving away from the temptation to confront them forces them to change their strategy, become even more vocal, and maybe call in for reinforcements, thereby forcing them to expose themselves even more. WE WANT THIS. More people will be forced to "go on record," something which any of our opponents who have a serious resumé don't want to have happen.
When people like Shermer, Aaronovitch, Craig, et. al. raise their head and spew their venom, we should (IMHO, again) look the other way and go about our business spreading the truth to those who really want to hear it. If these guys worked directly for the govt. or entities tied to the attacks it would a different story, but they don't, they are free-lance shills and not worth a minute of our time. Their mission depends on their ability to engage us, and that should be the easiest part for us to deny them.
We need to constantly remind ourselves that we are gaining ground because most of us are sincere and we tirelessly spread the truth -- not because we can or cannot shoot these mother f@%$ers out of the water. We need to act more like "victors" and less like "victims," in my extremely humble opinion.
challenging the peace movement by uniting ourselves
By this spring, a group of leaders in the truth movement is working to launch a new national campaign. For some details, see Minutes - January 27, 2010 -
www.911blogger.com/node/20750#comment-226522
The Misprision of Treason campaign will seek to identify key evidence of treason or cover-up; using US code 18 (Sec. 2382) - Misprision of treason -- which states: "Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States and having knowledge of the commission of any treason against them, conceals and does not, as soon as may be, disclose and make known the same to the President or to some judge of the United States, or to the governor or to some judge or justice of a particular State, is guilty of misprision of treason and shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than seven years, or both."
We will demand, with evidence in hand, local Judges to take some appropriate action or risk a felony. They can sign our petition or contact their superiors, and work to conduct a proper investigation. We will also write letters and op/eds to publish in our local newspapers explaining why we are taking such actions, and encourage the real peace movement to flourish. 9/11 demolition is key, as well as evidence of torture, and other deceptions witnessed by credible sources.
We will post a draft on 911blogger before it is finalized.. We would want a universal clear and motivating petition and resolution that can close the gap between the anti-war community and truth activists. This may help them agree to take the blue pill, and see the connection of the false flag and the betrayal of our country. Our timing is to have a completed draft by the Treason in America Conference, March 6.
Cointel works when we over-focus or empower the plants.. rather go direct to grassroots individuals and campaigns that can separate the wheat from the chaff. From their actions, we can judge and work with those we can trust. And it is getting closer for the barriers to come down; things can only get so much more worse. This spring 2010 is key. Barrie, thank you for this article.. and all you do.. it is important to note our reality, and somehow help achieve a transformation in governments, if possible.
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Enforcement
This appears to be a great development. How will you enforce your claims against the parties?
Contact me directly for ideas.
With you in the struggle,
Bruno
WeAreChangeLA - http://www.wacla.org
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I work for the 9-11 First Responders, the 9-11 victims, and all those who are being slaughtered and tortured because of 9-11.
Public Pressure
Bruno,
I will definitely try to contact you.. and hope you join the action team working on and defining this campaign. By confronting Judges, Governors, President with evidence of Treason, we will then write letters to local newspapers to request such actions and growing pressure to call out the cover-up treason.
The real key is a universal and simple enough statement to expose Treason, and adaptation of this campaign by not just those involved with 9/11 truth, but those who can finally awaken and help us expose the lies used to justify atrocities of all kinds, such as illegal energy wars, torture, loss of civil freedoms, and financial and health related terrorism.
Bruno, i look forward to working with you on this Misprision of treason campaign.
jonathan
9/11 Truth Leader Teleconference
The Problem For Various Social Movements
Various social interest causes continuously and wrongly petition the political establishment seeking change.
Major figures of the federal and state executive levels of government for lack of a better term seem to act as "agents" on behalf of other powerful interests and likely occupy their powerful positions as a result of various manipulations by these other powerful interests.
Various social interest causes seem to still wrongly assume that if they just protest enough, that the powers-that-be will finally notice and listen.
Such movements will probably only acheive real change when they seek to become the powers-that-be themselves via third party candidacies that can replace the current powers-that-be via the ballot box.
Government systems and power are merely a powerful tool operated by those who do not operate in the public interest.
Sooth
"...Government systems and power is a merely a powerful tool operated by those who do not operate in the public interest."
problems and solutions
the complexities of transforming our government system, which goes way further back than any individual, can be overwhelming. And yes, I agree with the futility of protesting on some levels, since the focus is often on only a part of the problem with no solution offered, beside vague generalities or ideologies.
That's why those rallying around the key issue of september 11th are the leaders of the peace movement. those stuck in their patterns while obeying the will enforced by the media and nongovernmental organizations, aka money, are missing the kingpin issue that has been used to justify current conflicts.
more than protesting, our campaigns must continue to awaken people to such factors, not depending alone on the government agencies to change. we need to unite with one another, in the truth movement and beyond. we have yet to accomplish this sufficiently; i am honored to work with those still trying and working on this issue.
there is no one that has not been impacted by the false flag operations of september 11. the best way to avoid the next one is by exposing the lies of the current elitists in hot pursuit of maintaining their control and order. They have stooped into denying reality and basics of science and physics.
Any yet our movement is inspired by integrity with individuals, which if we reach a critical mass of those awakened, can usurp the elitists' mad power plans, and help transform it.. but truth and justice leading to peace is key. together we have a possibility of succeeding. no wonder agents are working to mess up our unity, but it is for their own good, too. 2010 has to be a pivotal one..
For more on ideas collaborating to unite our movement, I suggest reviewing
9/11 Truth Leader Teleconference
and Recent Issue of Flyby News:
The Biggest Lie * The Hague * Howard Zinn
Thanks for the info!
But I think you meant to write "red pill" instead of "blue pill".
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/red+pill
Redpill
Redpill is a term that describes a human who has been freed from the Matrix, a fictional computer-generated world set at the end of the 20th Century. Redpill is the opposite of Bluepill.
Borrowing from the movie, the terms blue pill and red pill have become a popular metaphor for the choice between blissful ignorance (blue) and embracing the sometimes painful truth (red).
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Bluepill
Bluepill
A bluepill describes two different types of people in the Matrix: those that are completely unaware since birth of their status as a pod-born human, and those who, at some point, are presented with a choice and choose to forget this information.
In The Matrix, the first feature film of the Matrix series, Morpheus finds a computer hacker who called himself Neo. Morpheus then offers Neo a choice of ingesting a red pill or a blue pill:
"You take the blue pill, the story ends, you wake in your bed and you believe whatever you want to believe."
mike palecek comment
i would not be surprised if i turned around the blue or red pill's meaning, or wikipedia, colors on the surface is one thing, reality is another..
fyi.. here is an excerpt from an email from Mike Palecek with his comment on "Peace Movement vs. 9/11 Truth Movement."
" ..this I'm-sure-it's-not-brief-enough editorial comment.
Peace Movement vs. 9/11 Truth Movement
Though maybe not so much recently, I have been a member of the peace movement, I suppose.
I think my lifetime subscription to Vegetarian Lasagna Magazine is paid through going to prison and county jail, picketing, long effing walks with big effing blisters, trying to run for Congress in northwest Iowa as an anti-war candidate, sending in crossed-out tax forms, rad bumper stickers, letters to the editor shit like that.
And for the past fifteen years I have been trying to learn how to write novels that make a difference, after I went crazy in jail and decided I could not do that again , that I would not, could not volunteer for jail, not that there's anything wrong with that, but that I couldn't ... oh, it's complicated, cowardice is peppered throughout ... anyway, I've been writing you see ... trying to.
Not to brag, nothing to brag about, just as a sort of preface.
Okay. I also think that 9/11 was an inside job.
And I can't figure out why the peace movement keeps the 9/11 movement at arm's length.
So, as a not-so-perfect spokesman-person for/to the peace movement I want to say that we really should embrace the truth movement.
We should go to 911blogger.com. We should learn about We Are Change and David Ray Griffin and Jim Fetzer and Kevin Barrett and Barry Jennings and Loose Change ... and Richard Gage and lots of people who are really fighting our fight for us.
"9/11 Truth" really does get to the bottom of things.
"U.S. Out of Afghanistan" is fine, but not nearly enough, just as one effing light beer in the frig after eight hours at work.
Mike Palecek
Strategy Towards The Peace Movement
Barrie says:
"The result is a widespread attitude toward 9/11Truth that ranges from skepticism to outright hostility."
Barrie then adds:
"A leading cause of the unilateral split is the work of planted agents of the state – spooks -- whose instructions are to do this splitting. The Chinese call such agents “splittists.” The peace movement has been around for decades, so there’s been loads of time for the national security state to install numerous agents within it. Added to their usual instructions to slyly foment divisiveness within peace groups and derail effective anti-war actions are new orders to combat the dynamic truth movement."
In the current article posted at www.DNotice.org (The NORAD Papers VI), Popular Mechanics (PM) magazine and NORAD are shown lying (in the most mainstram source one can find on what happened on 9/11) when it comes to NORAD's monitoring capabilities within the United States on 9/11. Now this is not a case of not "connecting the dots". This is an outright lie. Here is what PM and NORAD say in the March 2005 PM article on September 11 conspiracy theories:
"Why couldn't ATC find the hijacked flights? When the hijackers turned off the planes' transponders, which broadcast identifying signals, ATC had to search 4500 identical radar blips crisscrossing some of the country's busiest air corridors. And NORAD's sophisticated radar? It ringed the continent, looking outward for threats, not inward. "It was like a doughnut," Martin says [Major Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD]. "There was no coverage in the middle." Pre-9/11, flights originating in the States were not seen as threats and NORAD wasn't prepared to track them."
Now who says PM and NORAD are lying about NORAD's true monitoring capabilities over the United States on 9/11? Would you believe The 9/11 Commission Report (which was published the year preceding the PM article)? With respect to interagency collaboration between the FAA and NORAD in the event of a hijacking on any give day before September 11, 2001, the commission report says of NORAD’s radar tracking abilities for hijacked flights originating within the United States:
"NORAD would receive tracking information for the hijacked aircraft either from joint use radar [radar that PM refers to above as the radar sites that "ringed the continent".] or from the relevant FAA air traffic control facility [Notice that Major Martin and PM say nothing about these other FAA air traffic control facilities that also provided NORAD with tracking information.]. Every attempt would be made to have the hijacked aircraft squawk 7500 to help NORAD track it."
As for the actual day of September 11, 2001, the commission report says of NORAD’s radar tracking abilities for flights originating within the United States:
"F-15 fighters were scrambled at 8:46 from Otis Air Force Base. But NEADS did not know where to send the alert fighter aircraft, and the officer directing the fighters pressed for more information: "I don't know where I'm scrambling these guys to. I need a direction, a destination." Because the hijackers had turned off the plane's transponder, NEADS personnel spent the next minutes searching their radar scopes for the primary radar return. American 11 struck the North Tower at 8:46. Shortly after 8:50, while NEADS personnel were still trying to locate the flight, word reached them that a plane had hit the World Trade Center."
"Controllers at NEADS located an unknown primary radar track [Flight 77], but "it kind of faded" over Washington. The time was 9:38.The Pentagon had been struck by American 77 at 9:37:46.The Langley fighters were about 150 miles away."
"NEADS first received a call about United 93 from the military liaison at Cleveland Center at 10:07. Unaware that the aircraft had already crashed [at 10:03], Cleveland passed to NEADS the aircraft's last known latitude and longitude. NEADS was never able to locate United 93 on radar because it was already in the ground."
"NEADS never lost track of Delta 1989, and even ordered fighter aircraft from Ohio and Michigan to intercept it."
These candid admissions from the commission report were found by me two weeks ago (I was doing some more research on NORAD, after 75% of my edits on Wiki's NORAD page were removed, when I shockingly came upon them. I couldn't believe my good fortune, or that no one had found them earlier! I'll be getting back to Wiki shortly to correct them using the 9/11 Commission Report citations above!).
Barrie, why don't you and others show persons in the Peace Movement the above quotes from PM and The 9/11 Commission Report? If the person shown the quotes is a legitimate peace activist (as are 99.99% of them), then they will show skepticism to outright hostility not towards the 9/11 Truth Movement, but towards the official 9/11 account. They should also come to the conclusion that their leaders in the Peace Movement are also liars, when those leaders continue to throw invective at the 9/11 Truth Movement despite the fact that even the 9/11 Commission Report affirms the 9/11 Truth Movement's position on NORAD's true monitoring capabilities on 9/11. Honest persons within the Peace Movement will see that the 9/11 Truth Movement was right about NORAD all along!
Persons in the Peace Movement will say "Well the 9/11 Truth Movement was right about NORAD, maybe I should look into their claims on how the World Trade Center fell."
Dean Jackson/Editor-in-Chief DNotice.org
Washington, DC
I and my fellow
left wing friends know that 9/11 was a false flag operation and recognize the event as a a giant crack in the vail of fraud that blinds us from reality... The truth is there for those who are willing to see. I must say at first I assumed most of the 9/11 Truthers would lean more to the left (it seemed a natural fit)...and I am uncomfortable with some of the "anti-choice" or libertarian impulses within the movement...But I have decided those differences are small when faced with the reality of living like corporate slaves in a perpetual state of war. Though I lived through the Vietnam War during my late teens and early twenties, I realize now there is no peace movement without 9/11 Truth....or an understanding of "deep" events in general.
Political Rainbow
democracydiva,
those in the 9/11 Truth Movement represent a real rainbow of the political spectrum. Then again, when elements within the Federal government obviously kill 3,000 people, it's easy to see why the 9/11 Truth Movement has so may persons with diverse political philosophies coming together. The attacks on 9/11 were just so terribly obvious as to who really carried them out.
Although I must admit America did a better job on 9/11 then the British on 7/7. The attacks on London are embarrassingly obvious. One would think the British would have done a better job, considering they've been doing false-flag operations for a lot longer than America.
Dean Jackson/Editor-in-Chief DNotice.org
Washington, DC
"Although I must admit
"Although I must admit America did a better job on 9/11 then the British on 7/7. The attacks on London are embarrassingly obvious. One would think the British would have done a better job, considering they've been doing false-flag operations for a lot longer than America." [QUOTE]
I don't think that's fair ,Brian, considering line between British & American was only drawn in 1776. The history of false flag operations far predates that . Before that British/American history is held in common.
Radical Chic...Mostly Right
democracydiva,
I remember the Vietnam War also. I came to the United States one month before my ninth birthday in 1969.
Let me say that there were two anti-war blocks in those days:
1. Those who believed that America was evil and the North Viets were good; and
2. Those who believed the Vietnam War was un-winnable, and therefore America should leave.
The former got all the press, while the latter were silenced because they didn't want to be associated with the so-called radicals.
Now I am very much aware that it was America that reneged on elections after the French pulled out of Vietnam (they knew Ho Chi Minh would win), therefore the North Viets had good reason to invade the south. However, while many things the radicals were saying back then I now realize were true, they were dishonest in singing the praises of North Vietnamese society (though North Vietnamese people are some of the nicest you'll ever meet....I happen to live next door to such a diplomatic family from Hanoi, not to mention the other families living in my apartment building and the building next door).
Politically America had no choice but to oppose elections after the French pulled out. I'm not saying that was right, I'm saying that was the politics. Also, America was resigned politically to go to war to keep the South non-communist. Those were the politics we maneuvered ourselves into back then: doing everything to forestall a confrontation with the USSR by going after the little fish instead. However, the communists were not asleep at the helm. They took advantage of America's blunders. The Vietnam war would have been won IF the Chinese had not intervened with the regiments they "volunteered" to fight America. The reason we never heard about this Chinese involvement in Vietnam is because big business wanted to open up China to trade. Well, that ain't going to happen if the American people find out that the Chinese are killing our boys in Vietnam. When a Republican finally took power in 1969, big business got their wish. Nixon went to China!
Another reason we never heard about China's involvement in Vietnam is because no one wanted to go to war with China (just like no one wanted to go to war with the USSR after World War II).
As I've matured, I have come to understand that those who are peace makers know that the two parties agreeing to peace terms would really prefer to be victorious instead (that's human nature: a defeated enemy is an enemy one doesn't have to worry about attacking you anymore). Because war is so terrible, the job of the peace maker is to embarrass both warring parties into agreeing to peace, then let time do its work in cementing that peace.
Dean Jackson/Editor-in-Chief DNotice.org
Washington, DC
very insightful concluding paragraph
Did you write this? It's brilliant.
"Because war is so terrible, the job of the peace maker is to embarrass both warring parties into agreeing to peace, then let time do its work in cementing that peace."
You Can Quote Me
zmzmzm,
sorry for the delay in replying. I've been busy commenting in Frank Legge's Flight 77 news entry. Anyway, yeah, the sentence is 100% mine. However, it took me 49 years to figure it out!
Dean Jackson/Editor-in-Chief DNotice.org
Washington, DC
The unfortunate truth is
The unfortunate truth is that both movements are controlled from within by our enemies. The 911truth movement by those who push a narrow focus (CD,CIT flyover,no plane,space beam etc.) claiming to seek a 'smoking gun' while doing everything possible to suppress discussion of the bigger picture and encouraging pointless speculation/discussion as a pure time waster..hint,hint! And the anti war movement by those who refuse to even consider if 911 was an inside job.
This is going to come down to sincere individuals focusing upon the big picture & who benefits. Each telling the truth to everyone who will listen without top down organization which our enemies can control.
No, They're Just a Distraction
N/T
I don't know why
you got negative votes. Both groups have been infiltrated. That is obvious and you don't deserve any negative votes. Oh well the negative votes just proves your point. In one of Berry's old interviews he even admits that the 9/11 truth movement has been infiltrated.
It's That First Sentence
Commenter is stating that our movement is CONTROLLED by plants. That's like saying that Nico Haupt is bossman of the New York movement. As if.
Or Judy Wood is controlling AE911Truth
The way I see it
is that nobody controls the 9/11 truth movement but we do have people who I consider leaders. People like DRG and a few others. Same thing goes with the peace movement. I would say Cindy Sheehan is the top person in that movement.
Lost in Victory
9-11 Joe,
Cindy was discarded like so much rubbish when the Democrats won the presidency.
To hell with the Peace Movement.
Dean Jackson/Editor-in-Chief DNotice.org
Washington, DC
I have to
agree with you brian, perhaps Cindy will join up with us. I wouldn't mind that at all. I hope she at least considers it.
Cindy IS with us...
as all of the Peace movement should be. And WE should be out there with the Peace Movement.
Our group has saturated the Dallas Peace People with Information. I think a lot of them are with us.
Though NOT the leadership. We are welcome at all their public events.
Event endorsement?
Joe -
It sounds like your experience with the peace movement in Dallas is very similar to ours in San Francisco (that seems a bit odd on its face, eh?).
Have you guys ever officially endorsed one of their events? Given them money to get on the inside organizing committees?
At an organizing meeting for the March 20th anti-war event in SF this past Saturday we got very mixed messages from some of the key people running the meeting and I'm wondering if you have tried working with them through their process and what your experience has been, if you had.
I hope that you and yours are well.
Thanks and keep up the great work in Dallas!
The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.
Correct Joe
We should unite. Forget this divide and conquer crap. That is playing right into their hands.
Remember David Chandler's L-Curve?
Yeah, I agree with you guys that there are plants everywhere.
Remember David's L-Curve?

When we realize HOW RICH THEY ARE, it must cost much less than a cup of coffee(of our standard) for them to pay for a plant.
That's why we see so many of them around though some are not using their brain well enough, perhaps...OR simply they don't know some vital facts.
Anyhow, I wish they(plants/spooks) will wake up someday, regret what they are doing now and join us well and truly.
Someday soon...
And I'd be surprised if this post doesn't get buried with many negative points like happened before, LOL
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